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[blk88lx]

Hi All,

I'm fairly new to the (injected) 5.0 Scene. I just bought a 93 GT, 67 000 miles, K&N conical filter, Hurst shifter, lowered, 3.08's (soon to be 3.55's), T5 w/centerforce clutch and billet flywheel, and cat back flowmasters. Nothing too major. A good friend of mine just bought a brand new F350 deisel. He says he raced a 5.0 and beat the hell out of it. I know newer cars are getting quicker but this sounds far fetched to me (unless the 5.0 in question was in bad shape) I'm going to drive minreout there this summer and he is already betting me $100 he can take me in the quarter mile. Talking all kinds of smack about his ride. His truck also (so he says) has a chip. I dont know if the deisel is turbo'd or not. I would be soooo embarrased if he blew me away in a huge truck.

Should I be worried?

Jayson
93 GT (see specs above)
78 F100 shortbed, 351W, dual pipes Edelbrock 600 carb and about $3000 worth of other crap
96 Taurus wagon 24V V6 (wife wont let me make any mods to it 4 some reason)

[PKRWUD]

His truck does have a turbo, and is relatively quick, but if you can't beat him, it's driver error. You shouldn't have anything to worry about, but practice will help.

Take care,
-Chris

[stanger8172]

You should have the power to weight advantage here considering all HE has is a chip. I don't know what this chip is but it would have to be expensive to spank your stang(I believe).

While you are kicking his *** at the drags don't forget he has the coolest hay hauler there

[blk88lx]

OK then,

Last time I raced was in my 351 Powered capri - I Lost, floored it and sat there spinning wheels. What's the best way to do it?

Jayson

[stanger8172]

Slip the clutch at around 2000-2500 rpm's. When you leave the line don't spin. Gradually let off the clutch till you can put the metal to the pedal without spinning ( imagine doing this with 2.73 gears )

You might want to drop your rear air pressure to about 20psi too.

[Phantom5oh]

Some of those chips for diesels can make a huge diff. I saw on Crank and Chrome a few weeks ago where they tested a Ford F250 Powerstroke turbo diesel before and after the chip install. The chip they installed was an 80hp chip and it made an extra 76hp and an extra 158ft/lbs at the wheels, thats 311 hp and 652 ft/lbs at the rear wheels. Thats pretty impressive. Check it out here: Crank and Chrome Chip Install The chips also come in 3 "stages" Stage 1 was like a 60hp chip, more for towing and 2 was the mentioned 80hp chip for all around performance, and the 3rd was a 100hp chip that was for "extreme performance needs." Check the Chip maker out here: BD Power.

You can decide for yourself if you should be worried or not!

Steve

[jerrys84]

I would say if you can't beat him, it would be a huge driver error on your part..

his; 9,000 lbs & 235hp + maybe 40 hp with the proper chip..


yours; 3,400lbs & 210hp + a few hp from mods..


can anyone get in on this bet??

[Phantom5oh]

The Powerstroke diesel make 300 hp and 500 ft/lbs at the flywheel, stock. Torque is whats going to make this heavy truck go not HP.

Is 9,000 lbs a guess at weight or do you know that for a fact?

My friend is an electritian (owns his own company) and with his E250 van loaded with tools, wire, supplies and 2 people only weighs in between 7,000 and 7,500 depending on the job they are doing for the day.

Steve

[jerrys84]

Fly wheel hp?? read your cranks and chrome link, they dyno'd 235 hp @ the rear wheels..


The 9000 lbs was with the bails of hay..



I'm trying to encourage the lad..

[jerrys84]

a 2000 super duty XLT super cab 4x4 diesel (without the round bales) is about 6500 lbs..

[whiterod]

Man this guy is trying to psyc you out. if you let him beat you it is your own fault. Just make sure you have a proper tune and go stomp his butt. Me personally, i would up the bet to $1000 dollars and see if he still has a smile on his face

[Phantom5oh]

And a fairly stock Mustang will make 210 HP at the rear wheels? No! Even with the mods he has the car doesn't make 210. But like I said beore, its torque thats going to move this truck, not hp.

I guess my point is the Stang is a sports car, the Truck is exactly that, a truck. Everyone says you'll kick his arse, and they are more than likely right. All I was trying to do was be informative and played the "Devil's Advocate."

You need to look at these things from both sides, and today was my day to rain on the parade. Plus these trucks just amaze me with the power they make with just a chip and the shear size of them.

Steve

[blk88lx]

OK, I see I've started a lively discussion. I tend to think I'll beat him. I mean what is the piont of driving a 5.0 if a freakin deisel truck can beat you? If thats the cas I'll sell the car, put a chip in my wife's Taurus wagon and call it a day.
I think I'll win but I'm gonna hedge my bets. 3.55's will find their way into my car before I go out there. Of course he doesnt have to know that. I'm also going to take your advice and practice - 2500 RPM and keep the wheel spin down. Got it.

Jayson

[PKRWUD]

I hate to say it, but without the 3.55's, he's going to spank you. Yesterday afternoon I had to go to Oxnard. It was about a 12 mile trip, and included two main 8 lane avenues and the freeway. Shortly after I left, I was cut off by a beautiful 2001 or 2002 F250 crew cab 4x4. It was huge, and looked heavier than a Sherman tank. It had a full size toobox in the bed, and a fat pushbar and wench on the front, and a coffee can sized chrome exhaust tip. He and I ended up going to almost the exact same place, and I watched him drive. He was either in a big hurry, or was just proud. Every light that turned green had him launching perfectly. I couldn't even hope to keep up with him, and were it not for a few red lights, and some luck on the freeway, I wouldn't have. When I finally did pass him on the freeway, he pulled around me like I was standing still. I kept thinking to myself that he must have a Lightning engine, or a V10, but I couldn't get close enough to tell. Well, when I was getting off the freeway, he was stopped ahead in traffic. As I got behind him, I started to hear a whirring sound that reminded me of a diesel truck, but there were none around. As he turned the corner at the light, I finally saw the POWERSTROKE badge on his fender. I was, and still am, shocked. I immediately thought of this thread, and how I should let you know that you are going to have your work cut out for you.

Good luck. You just may need it.

Take care,
-Chris

[Jeb_Bush_2000]

Putting a chip on a Powerstroke can give you another 90-100hp and about as much torque. You couldn't get a quarter-million miles out of one like that, but just upping the boost and fuel flow can really make those things move. I think they run low 15's.

[Phantom5oh]

Chris, thanks for backing me up. I hate being out numbered even if I do know what I am talking about (which isn't often HAHAHA). There is safety in numbers.

I've seen these things move, and they are unreal. Then that show on Crank and Chrome, I mean come on over 650 ft/lbs of torque at the wheels!!!

Earlier someone asked what the point of owning a Mustang was if it can't beat a truck? Well I am begining to think its the pride of owning a "Mustang" and knowing its got a V8 underhood. There is this huge influx of new German and Jap cars that even in stock trim (I hate to admit this) can outperform stock Stangs. The trend is leaning to smaller more efficient engines that make good hp but less torque. As an example look at the Stang. The 5.0 pushrod engine was nixed in favor of a more efficient higher revving 4.6 modular. Granted it makes more power now, but thats where the trend is heading. Now stock stangs (older ones)are losing to trucks and imports, where IS this heading?

Steve