So this is where we post our kills LOL....Have a vette vs mustang question.
 

All right I need some input here. Bear with me here. My cousin Jamie's boyfriend Tim's brother Bobby has a 99 automatic corvette and he clams to be running 13.1 Quarter mile times AND claims to be able to waste a brand new 03 cobra. No matter what you tell this guy he insists that his vette can whoop anything. I dont know the stats on vettes really can someone help me out???

I told Bobby that well play in a few months and then see whos slower LOL, he'll really S*** a brick because I am doing a turbo4 in my 89 coupe, Shorty! HAHAHA

A well driven cobra will waste him bad. It's 390hp vs. 350 or so. Also, his vette is an auto, and the cobra's are all sticks. 13.1 is fast, but it's not 03 cobra territory.

A review of the 2003 svt states it is easily capable of 12 second times. Offical Corvette killer!!!!

Well, for what's it's worth, I was out the other night and met a friend of a friend who has an '03 Cobra, and everyone out was talking about him wasting a ZO6 really bad, and a ZO6 is significantly faster than any stock automatic vette is gonna run.
If you were from around here, I'd set up a run for you to shut him up. Maybe you should aquaint yourself with someone in your area with an '03 Cobra and let him do it.
If you haven't shown him the MM&FF with the drag test of the Cobra, you should do that, but he might not beleive it.
Anyway, good luck, hope you can convince him somehow.

Eric Mencl

Hey Eric, i like your sig thing. Is that visa take off for real, or is that just like your dream car?? You dont drive a turbo'ed 5.0 do you?

a vette?
 

dunno if this been posted .... but take a look :)

http://www.elife.com/images/cool/autocross.mpg

I told the guy about the MM&FF article and all he said was "bullshit" "thats not true" and "whatever". This guy owns a business and is getting a z06 in a few months. Hes extremely cocky and arrogant not to mention biased, and i want to shut him down even if its not me that does it.:mad:

A friend of mine is buying an extremely souped up turbo MR2 TRD that i think could possibly beat the 99 vette or at least run with it. But I'd rather a mustang be the one to shut VetteBoy down bigtime!!!:D

Holly shiat, was that a person that vette ran over? That was crazy.:eek:

Even if it's not you one of these days he will learn he doesn't have the fastest car in the world.

For what its worth I beat a new Vette from a second gear roll to a 100 by 2 cars.....and I have no supercharger.

Later,

I'll take that race if you don't mind setting it up?!The only 03 I rcaed here was taken easily from a 60-65 roll and he shut down fast after I passed him. just let me know. I may loose I may win only one way to tell.;)

As for Madeup Mustangs & Fictitious Fords drag test....yeah the Pony car smack down really scared me with his what 104-106 trap speeds in the 03! slower trap speed then the SS had? MPH is the true best indicater of HP and yeah I know the 03 weighs more then the SS but that Trap speed combined with the trap time says the SS is gonna walk the 03 from a roll. But hey thats magazine racing and I prefer the real thing

1BAD89 - I have seen pretty much the same stuff you have 13.'s but with some mods they should be able to see 12's:

I wish that guy lived near me....

;) They can't post a consistant time in that magazine if they had too. Like I said I prefer real racing to what a magazine says. If you see it, it happened if a magazine prints it (especially certain ones)all bets are off.

Face it cars arent consistant. Weathers not consistant.

Its not the magazines lying.

How many 100-103mph trapping LS1's have I seen? Quite a few, atleast 8-10.

How many 107-109mph LS1s have I seen? Even more.

How many 111-112 mph stockish ls1's? None.

Think about the stock near or in the 13's 5.0 mustangs, and all the stock 15second ones as well.

I think the 03 is a proven low 13 high 12, 111-114mph car.

Skyler

I second that Skyman. Lots of people seem to hope that Ford will screw up again with the Cobra's but I think they won't. People have also to understand that the more power there is in a car, the more difficult it is to drive it which leads to big variations in ET's.

It says in the mm&ff article there was a signifigant head wind during all the 1/4 mile runs and both cars were slower than previous tests.

Excellent points, Sky.

Alot of this reminds me of the post I put on here last fall about me racing the Big Bad SS Camaro at my local track. Heck, this guy was even modified with Lid, exhaust, gear, and I can't remember what else. I think he ran something like a 13.4 @ 105. I'd have to check the post/timeslip for sure, but the point is it was not an impressive run at all.

Or, go back into the 'Unit 5302' archives...I think there was a post about all the "LS1 Humpers" and the times that people see out of those. Everything in the bag from mid 12's @ 110 to freaking mid 14's.

Car's run different times at different tracks under many different conditions. Heck, I've gone 13.7's @ 103 one weekend and 13.2's @106 the next.

Final point, the Cobra has power - lots of it even in stock form. Imagine a s/c pulley swap, exhaust upgrades and some sticky drag radials...you're looking at a damn quick Cobra.

Give guys a chance to get used to these new beasts and I'll bet we see some very impressive timeslips out of them.

Take it easy,
E

My favorite quote about the new Cobra's was in the MM&FF story this month. John Colletti (sp?) from SVT says "this thing is breathing through a straw." Sounds like someones going to sell a lot of intake upgrades.

Also sounds like the vette guys are scared (finally).

:)
 

There is a roll lane at the strip? :confused:

Ummmm......Not Exactly:rolleyes: When your scared you are not usually actively searching for one to race you generaly decline to race some one when they affer.... Oh wait three 03 Cobra owners have declined to race me , Well 1 put me off for a few weeks but the rest came right out and said not till I mod. Now If they had stock Cobra's trapping 111-114 why would they not want to race me On my best run I get 113 and I know I only have 341 RWHP not the 390RWHP that there car has they should stomp me right???? Instead I get OK I'll race you but not till I can buy some mods. Sad actually Very Very sad.

I and many other Vette guys expect from what has been happening on the tracks to run pretty even with the 03 in the 1/4 with a Stock C5. But the Z06 guys aren't scared at all why the hell would they be with the same gearing,more meat on the rears, 5 less or 15 more HP (01-02 LS6's) a coefficent of drag thats .07 better then the Cobra and almost 600 less pounds. You dont have to have a masters in physics to tell you whats faster. and is only going to get faster as the speed builds. It's a pretty simple equasion actualy.


As for the guy that said we hope ford has screwed up "again" nope, Most of us are happy to have a car that we can race and be pretty close too it's been a long time since ford has put out a mass produced car that can keep up or beat the Generals contigent. I won't mind loosing to a Cobra at all. I should loose with all thats been done to the thing.

Hell if it wasn't a HOG many Vette guys would probably buy one for a daily driver and many may still. Heck I might But I'll wait till I can get one for a song after they loose there value when billy bob picks one up, titles it (big value drop) and realizes that only big boys ought to be paying for a 35K+ car and has to trade it back in on his 82 GT with the 4bbl that he put on it.(I'm being factious here I had an 82 w/ a 4bbl)

OH yeah and the guy who said that we were throwing around numbers on UNIT's "HUMPERS" post a 12.8@113 was thrown out there not mid 12.'s (where I am now:) ) and yeah 14.0's were said as well a Fully loaded Vette with A4 and 2.73 gears left in TC will run 14.0 I saw it. A M6 with 3.45's a filter an Exh and a good driver will go.... Well we all know what that will run.

Anyway 03's are the fastest Mustang out in a long time and I'm glad to see it. But I am not scared of it! NOT AT ALL;) Because when you race as much as I do you understand that you loose it's inevitable and loosing to a 390hp car with a S/C and a 6speed isn't all that bad.:)

hah, back to the a4 vette thing, i seen a 98-00 a4 vette running 13.9-14.0's, maybe the guy couldnt find the gas dunno, but it was happenning right in front of me, i go to the track every week, i live bye one, i seen some factory freaks also, i wont forget that day because it was the same day i smoked a gran sport c4, i just hooked on him and never looked back, i bet if he knew i had stock cam, and e7's with 189k miles he would shizot his panties.

with free mods, and lid, my friend went 109 in his a4 01 formula, yea he killed me on the track, but he had to put another motor in it, and sell it, it didnt even go 50k miles, he11, i have that many miles just racing.:p

Re: :)
 

No it's a crazy thing called street racing.:eek:

You obviously have not heard of it. Well two or sometimes more people are driving along usually in second gear (40-50 mph area) but not always and go. this is also sometimes done from a stop but it is more often done from a roll as that is where you can compare the power of two cars since the launch is taken out of the equasion.

Most area's in the country have at least some type of street racing scene so STEEDAJEFF take a look around and maybe you'll find the one in your area, or better yet when someone revs at you, paces you or follows you damn close in a performance type car that probably means they want to race;) Don't be scared it's OK many, many people do it you wont be the first:)

Roll racing is the only way these supra guys will run down here, i guess if my car lagged off the line id be the same.

Funny--- I dont get many people "throwing revs" at me....


I wonder why? :confused:


I appreciate the sarcasm, as I am sure you appreciate mine.:D

;)

Technicalities, technicalities...geeessshhh! I was merely trying to make a point that we've all seen great variation in track times - as you just reiterated - thanks for clearling up the exact times as I was too lazy to go back to the post. :)

And, just some food for thought, MM&FF got a '03 Cobra w/pulley swap and drag radials to go 12.1 @ 118.

I know you don't trust MM&FF, Aquaman, but 390 hp from the factory plus sticky tires, good air and more boost has got to equal some prett impressive ETs - wouldn't you agree?

E

I agree that with a pulley and all the other current stuff available for the 03 it should be trapping 116-118 my god what's it got at the rears then like 430? or maybe more. I saw an 03 gain 20 at the rears with the silencer and K&N Exhaust and 5 more pounds of boost should be good for 50 hp or more I would have to guess.But the one that has all that stuff and Nitto's that is running around here is stil only running 12.8's at 117. obviously with the trap speed the car should be faster but it ain't:confused: and it's not like the guy driving is a rookie he's a Long time Mustang 5 speed 5.0 guy.

I'm done debating this till real people are turning in 12.1's but they are not 12.1's are at this point a pipe dream for an 03 owner. loose some weight and bam it will happen do some head work and headers on top of the current and the thging will be a beast but right now stock it's a 103-105 trap car and modded it's running mid-high 12's. giving it the distinction of being yet another hype mobile.

Till I loose to one and I'm sure at some point I will it will remain just another mustang that I have taken advantage of.:)

WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?????
103-105mph trap car?
Where have you seen this?

I may as well say, well the LS1 is a 99-103mph car. Then you would come out posting like a mad bull.
DONT POST BS LIKE THIS.


The worst ones are running about 110-111mph.

IF someone is going 12.8@117 its traction issue. What is there to scratch your head about. Who cares how good a driver he is, if the traction isnt there you can't get a good ET.

Do you know anything about cars? Or do you just quote your estimated RWHP numbers, then how disappointed you are in them at their ET's.

LEARN THIS. HORSE POWER = TRAP SPEED (Figuring in weight), NOT ET!

As much as you talk about the 03 cobra you must be jelous as hell, I've never heard anyone ***** about a single car as much as you. Are you mad you didnt get a blower? You got 60 more cubes, that makes up for its 6psi of boost. (6psi, I could be wrong on that.. 8 maybe.).

GET OVER IT, GO RACE ONE.

Skyler

I understyandthat E.T is not the indicator speed is and if you had and reading comprehension skills you would have picked up on that.

As far as them trapping 110-111 not in real life maybe in your magazine world but the real ones are trapping 104-106 I have seen 6 different cars run.the best stocker ran a 13.4@106 most were 13.8-14.0 @ 104ish with 2.0-2.2 60's I have also heard from others at other tracks one of them is a mustang owner and he saw an 03 turn in 14.0@104 hmmm. that makes 7 not to mention the Vidoe of the idiot at carlsbad that ran a 14.0@105 (are you seeing a trend here) Ok OK I'm sure that all of these guys have non broken in cars and they can't drive. Sure kiddo let that be your excuse. because they always have an excuse when they loose. Like the guy on CF that raced one he ran a 12.8@111 the 03 ran a 13.8@105 then the guy claims that he was burning them at the line yet some how his DR's grabbed him a 1.9 60' at least that is what his Slip said Excuses, excuses, excuses they are everywhere. It's too hot, I missed 3rd, I smoked em yadda, yadda, yadda

As for being mad about not getting a blower. Thats pretty funny If my car had a blower it would be a 11.6@123 with no other mods. Check out the ligenfelter site. Oh and it's the same roots type blower the 03&Lightning have. And jealous Not in my lifetime . I was faster stock then they are and I am damn near matching the Traps (recently grabbed a 114.1)of a modded one with $600 in parts Drop another 600 in mods (My N20) and I am a 11.5@122 so Mad or jealous. NEVER! Embarresed for the poor Owners that got dupped into dropping 35K+ for a 14.0 second car Yeah I feel for them But with some Mods and some DR's or ET streets they will save some face.

It's funny that you say you have never heard anyone"*****" so much about a car before. Well it's just as strange that I have never seen so many people put so much faith and hope in a car before. and or get so excited when some one discounts the ability of a car They don't even own!! (<--- You):)

110-111 trap stock LOL yeah sure pal. maybe on a 40` day with some ET streets and a REal damn good driver. BUt thats still a big maybe.;)

And I have raced 2 of them unfortunately for them they were both stock. At least I hope they were.

The artical in MM&FF said that the 03 Cobra gained 40hp just by taking off the air silencer. I think with CAI and exhaust the new cobra is going to be hard to beat, even on street tires. :D

Before you get all excited about supercharging a C5, read the install time 2-3 WEEKS. The labor is rediculous and by the time the car is driving, you will probably have spent close to 10K. Also 11.7 @ 126 is a horrible ET for that mph. Everyone forgets about the little things that need to be done when building a car and how much money to set aside when the engine blows and the drivetrain spits out because it will. I'm sure that ET is crappy because they were scared to put slicks on it because the drivetrain would explode. I also have a hard time believing it went 126 mph with only 416 rwhp(490 w/ 15% loss). I would need to be there to believe that. The 03 Cobra is still in it's infancy stage. wait until a few knowledgable people get their hands on them and start modding them. Remember, it has a fully forged rotating assembly . After blowing up an engine, that carries alot of weight with me.

Saying the 03 cobra traps 103 is downright insulting.

man we have alot of supra, import, f-bod, vette guy friends here, but your not scoring points with us here, although some of the blower cars like some saleens disapoint me, the 03 cobra has proven to be a killer car, though i havent seen one run in person, i will friday i hope.

aquaman i wish you lived over here, i got a guy that will put a hurtin on your vette, with a ported stock h.o. intaked 306, e-cam, and iron heads, he is around 124 mph with a dry 100 shot, he can tune like no other, imagine if he got a hold of a modern cobra?

Your right it is a 2-3 week install because John is trying to do 5-6 at a time to keep up with demand. The trap time is crappy compared to the speed because he was getting 2.2-2.35 60's running on Goodyear Runflats. he did this because it is what most Vette guys still have on their cars. the rear end can hang pretty good till oround 480rwhp at least from what I have seen with those running high Hp on stock rears. The First real instal other then the tests was done on a Friend of mine Phil Kircher's Z06 he went from a 12.1@117 to 11.2@129 on the same Goodyear Supercar tires the car came with. he ran 11.0@128 on his DR's It's his everyday car and so the need to put some ET streets on it was deemed unnessary.

With the hood(you have to have a new one)paint, testing All parts and Instal it was $7600 plus another $300 for the 3year/36K warranty that LPE honors at any ASE certified repair facility. Maybe it will self destruct I mean you say it will right. John ligenfelter has no Idea what he's doing and is more then willing to put his name all over cars that are going to blowing up anyday.

If you have a kind bone in your body please help him out and tell him that he's commiting career and reputation suicide. :)

A roots type S/C puts less strain on the internals then does a Traditional S/C that is why he can be successful with it. Maybe he'll tell you about it when you call him to tell him just how stupid he is.:rolleyes:

So I should just be sheep and roll along and lie by saying the 03 is wicked fast stock and tearing up the tracks around the nation right? Unfortunately I call things like I "SEE" them and what I have "SEEN" is 104-106 traps from stock 03's blame it on whatever thats what they are running. Is it capable of more??? Hopefully with a real 360 to the wheels but 3700 pounds is alot to push around.

As for a hurtin' hell I'm always up for a race but if he's spraying then I'm spraying so we both have 124ish traps and I will only be gaining speed while he falls away. Not quite a "HURTIN" but whatever.

Oh and soory If I offend anyone ;)

Blah blah blah blah blah, we can bench race all day.

To put it franky Aquaman, you have an attitude. Good sometimes, most of the time bordering on bad, pissing me off. Whatever, I kinda like it. Sure your vette will run good with a blower, so will my car, so will everyones car, who cares. Run what you have.

Sorry if my "GIRL CAR" produces a faster ET than your car. It sure looks like ET is what you care about.

Your not disputing that a 03 cobra is a 400hp car, but your saying it runs 14.0.

I'd be happy to race you in my "GIRL CAR" any day of the week, nitrous or not. And Id be spotting you 44 cubes, and almost 2 points of compression.

So stop being an friction causing member of this board, I dont like flame wars and I am not going to participate in one with you. Settled, ok?

Skyler

PS, I love your signature, but Id have to hit you if you said that to me in person. ;)

Well I'm glad to see that maybe you are starting to realize that I'm usually just kidding around and yeah I do cause some tension but with a F'ed up sense of humor like mine thats bound to happen eventualy:)

I am here because I enjoy cars all cars including 03 Cobra's I'll be damned If my Little brother didn't call and ask me to Co-Sign for him and his wife on one:rolleyes: I really thought I raised that boy better then that.:p I ahve had quite a few Mustangs over the years and still respect them for what they are. I can go down to the south side here any Fri. or Sat. and get my Azz handed to me by a couple of them.

This is your guys house and I realize I am not always the most welcome guest but I'm here now and looks like I'll be staying awhile. It's a nice change from my forum Very different dialogs between members. Plus I like to keep a pulse on what the Other camps are doing. I am on a bunch of Different forums but usually just lurking.

Anyway Sky Your right it's silly to keep this little tit for tat going it could go on forever..... So I'm done with it but Just for the record a 108 trap does kinda suck;)

Sky does a "girlie"
 

i would have to agree with Aquaman on one thing Sky, 108 trap does suck! HAHA! u know i am messin!:D u girlie man!

aquaman, you didnt really offend me, you said you owned mustangs before cool.

i know a guy just like you that runs basically the same time and trap with his c-5 as you (and he ownz an 87 GT), he books with his vette no doubt, with his cam and exhaust modds.

I dont think 108 is bad? thats about what you trapped bone stock right? so what if you gained 5 mph on whatever you did BFD?, your car is made to shine up top, it should be going 112 stock, but that would be z06 territory, and since they weigh about as much as my coupe, they trap 115 right?

True, you would gain ground on him, after all, he is 4.30 geared tremec equipped stang, we build our cars for the 1/4 mile, therefore that mustang would rock your world outta the hole, which is what its made to do, just like your car is made/designed in a frickin wind tunnel.
this car im talking about is in last months issue of mm&ff's, it is the black 91 LX hatch "punisher" if you ever actually look at them insead of critizing?:rolleyes:

thank you now run along.

Most Mustangs will "Rock" me outta the hole hell a 02GT with just gears and exhaust will take me thru first. (I know first hand;) ) and like you said I pull strong up top usually from about 50mph and on plus I run on normal street tires crappy run-flats actually.

I don't just criticize Mustangs I somtimes criticize their owners, the ones that think their car is something it's not. I do that with F-bod guys who feel the same way. anybody for that matter even other vetters. My friend and fellow Forum member has a mustang and it's damn fast and he knows how to drive. however he doesn't think that it's the fastest car around and he respects the ability of fast cars wether it be a Mustang, F body, Vette, 71 Nova, or a ******* Baby blue Civic that runs 11's. he doesn't look down on any car that performs. I am the same way I may have an issue with the 03 but a large part of that is my inane desire to rile the troops but it's partly because it hasn't quite lived up to the hype. If when the Z06 came out and it was hyped as being a 12.5@115ish car and was nearly always running 14's or very high 13's I would be all over that like crazy. Even thouigh I'm a Vette guy.

But it does run 12.5's @115 sometimes better sometimes worse but more often the not (thats an important element here) it does what they say it will. I'm guessing that there are a few 03 owners on this board. I know theres one because I tried to line up a race with him and he passed for the time being. With all my blowing of 14's and 104-106 times has even one of them stood up and said "I have a stock 03 cobra and I ran 12.6@113 here's my slip" and post it..........Yeah thats what I thought.

I have said before and I'll say again it should be able to do it. I don't know why they are not. People say it's too hot it's this it's that but right now on the same day these 03's are going 13.6's -14.0's I'm running 12.6-12.8 meaning I would be between 10-14 lengths ahead (using the .1=1 car theory) and Sky with his "slow";) trap speed car would be up to 17 lengths thats a big big differance.

Aqua- Good deal man, Yeah I dont wanna see you leave the board, and I appologize for gettin a little bit antagonizing there. I do agree I was hoping for more MPH outta the cars. When I saw the first one going 111 at the track, that was disappointing to me. I don't wanna see ya leavin the board anytime soon.

What about that guy on the viper site that supposedly went 116 or 118 bone stock, what was up with that?

And as far as RWHP #'s go, I dont trust them for anything. My car supposedly dynoed 332rwhp 351rwtq. The dyno place is since outta business for screwing w/ the numbers, I think.

PS, Ill get 110 next time out, :) even if I have to use the nitrous.

Skyler

Thanks I appreciate the gesture:)

The Guy on the Viper site going 116-118 hard to say maybe it was stock maybe it wasn't I have said I was stock or "Just a filter" before on one of my old H/C cars. On the flip side I have told people I was Modded when I was stock after they refused to believe that I beat them in a stock Vette. 118 seems damn high for a car oif that weight with 360rwhp. but like UNIT will tell ya some cars are freaks:p

I have also had mixed feelings on Dyno's and their operators so I had mine dyno'd twice on two different machines with near duplication. I will go on yet a third machine in the begining of August to see how much My 100 shot is really giving me. Plus it's a wide band 02 machine and it will help me tune.

Take care and good luck getting that 110 trap;)

Aqua

No Vette,No LS1, No Cobra here. Just a Slow Street Racer.Most of you it seems to me are paying Far to much attention to MPH;DON'T!--ET is what counts. Remember ET,ET,ET.I'll take a Consistent 12.0-112 Car over a 12.40-115 Any Day.Tires,Tires,Tires. The 60's I have seen posted are Horrible for the ET.ps: There are 2, 03 Cobras,right? A 385 Hp and a 415? A guy I know just got 1. It says 385 on it and he payed $52,000. Is that about right?

What? No, there is only one '03 Cobra. It's rated at 390 HP from Ford. There was a 385 HP Cobra, but that was the Cobra R with a N/A 4V motor in it - very hard to get and very expensive.

If the guy you know paid $52,000 for an '03 Cobra, well, he got taken....HARD! And where are you 'seeing' where it says it has 385 HP???

E

What makes you say you should ignore trap speed and look at ET? Obviously ET is what is going to win you a race, but trap speed is a much better indicator of how much power a car is making and what kind of potential it has. If a car is making a lot of power and running street tires of course the ET isn't going to be that great, but the trap speed gives you a good idea of what it can run with traction.

Yea that Vette nailed a person i have that on KAzaa i think it was from moor trend guess Vettes dont have the greatest handling LOL

Ok, I guess it was the R Version. I know he goes 12.30's all day long.That's why I asked, because I wasn't sure. I am sure of the Price he payed.His is S/C if that helps.----I never said don't pay attention to MPH. I was just trying to get everyone to understand it's better to have a Consistent Low ET and Low Mph than a Slower ET and Higher Mph.ps: Obvious to you and I , Trust me, there are MANY that Don't think so.:)

Exactly. The MPH shows what a car will do or be able to do in a roll on race from a certian speed. From a 45-55 roll my car is damn fast and hard to beat indicitive of my trap mph compared to my trap time. Bob with the White T78 supra is in pretty much the same boat only he's even faster from that speed. We dont launch veryu well and at least my first gear is way too tall to be much good. I can do almost 55 in 1st. thats where I loose it. LS1 Vettes respond very well to 3.90 or 4.10 rear ends it helps to shorten 1st a little bit. And on modded cars actually makes 6th a useable gear. Trap time is what is gonna win a 1/4 race every single time no doubt about it but on the street MPH is just as important more so sometimes.