stang vs turbo Si

[inferno]

Jaydee: The Power FC is a fully programable computer. You can adjust the timing throughout the RPM band and it also can provide multiple sparks. Like I said, there are several stock trannies or close to stock in the 9's. The only mod to them is that they have welded diffs or full drag spools.

97snakedriver: B-series motors are open deck motors and a block guard is a brace put at the top of the block to protect the top of the cylinder.

302 LX Eric: Your question was already answered further up(along with my question as to why most stangs are running 13's or 14's). There are a lot of ricers out there, but more and more people are starting to do things to there car. While the majority will always be posers with no engine work, 8ft wings and stickers all over the place, the number of fast Honda's is growing.

Unit: Those tires aren't drag radials. Do you really think that you could get good drag radials for 54 bucks each without a hook-up? Also, if I were to build a similar car, the price would be lower because I get discounts at some local places. Hey, check out this build up that a friend of mine was considering(too bad he didn't do it):
88 CRX HF - 200(i saw it advertised with a blown motor last week....not that it matters anyway )
Prelude SH engine w/tranny - FREE
Drag turbo kit(my price) - 1500
3" Custom exhaust(my price) - 150
Eibach Drag Springs(my price) - 200
Slicks and rims to put them on(for track use only) - 300
Total - 2350

I know a lot of people probably will call bs on this set-up, but with ~270 whp in a 1800 pound car with slicks, you will run 11's.

[Unit 5302]

Where do you get that super motor for free inferno?

As soon as I can get a house so I have a place to put it my dad is giving me the 427 and the T-10. I'm thinking I'll actually fit it into a '69.

Jaydee I'll keep my eyes open for another freebie, but I don't think it's gonna happen. On a side note if you hunt around, you can probably get one for like $4k.

Let's see if I can beat inferno's new price. It aint pretty but here goes.

1973 Pinto. $200
88Tcoupe 2.3L intercooled turbo $300
T-5 from above $200
rebuild turbo $400
chip $150
8.8" from above $200
increase boost to 24lbs
NOS 100 shot $400
LX 10 holes for the back $50
MT Slicks $300
That's $2200. It's ugly, it's got 4 cyl and a turbo, but it's domestic and according to an article in MM&FF a couple years ago, it runs 11's.

Hmmm... I wonder how much a flame retardant suit runs?

You might be right on the 11sec CRX. However, slightly off topic it is still only a econobox car, like a suped up Pinto. The 11sec mustang will have way more torque, more fun to drive, sound better, look better and hold its value better.
Further more its a MUSTANG. nuf said.


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306ci, TFS stage 3 heads. port/pol edlebrock performer intake.
77mm mass air, 70mm TB, crane 2030 cam, Mac full length headers, flowmasters
3.73 gears and more.

[sedanman]

Ok here we go

Chevette=$200
500cu in caddy motor=$200
Motor rebuild kit=$250
Tranny TH400 rebuit=400
custom D/S=$200
Slicks+Rims=$300
cage=$400
Duct tape to hold it together=$20
TOTAL=$1970
Easy 11's if the rearend holds up.

[inferno]

Unit, it helps when you know people who work at salvage yards.

mmike, you are right, the Mustang will have more torque, and more horsepower, but it won't be any faster. You want to know why? It is called HP to weight ratio. The CRX won't need to have as much HP or torque as the Mustang because of it's light weight. With the right tires, the CRX will take the Mustang off the line as well. It would also get better gas mileage. It doesn't matter what kind of car it is, or how much money was put into it....all that matters is who crosses the finish line first.

[Jaydee]

Hey sedanman, I believe Car Craft did this exact project a few years back - forgot the details but the result was cheap, fast and scary - I'll have to check the archives

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1965 K code coupe - numbers matching - restoration ongoing. 1987 LX notch, stock heads and intake, 3.55's and typical bolt on's 13.89@100.25

[sedanman]

Yeah JayDee they did a build up like that I think about a year ago they said it was under $2,000 and I believe it ran high 11's. But it was not much of a car thats for sure but hey it's 11's.

[EZRIDN]

well if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas!

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'86 GT.
Gears & Flows

[97snakedriver]

Hmm.. I wonder what would happen if we were throw in the additional stipulation that this car also has to be able to handle. IE, no slicks (although sticky tires), no drag suspensions, more power, and a certain degree of balance. Of course the cost is going to go up quite a bit, but I wonder who has the advantage now...

[86LX5liter]

i built my last mustang for a total output of 3500 dollars. And i ran 12.5's at 110. You want 11's? alright,250 for a set of slicks, 350 for a nitrous kit. turn a little screw for more fuel, and we're in the 11's. okay, so i can only do it once, cause they'll kick me off the track for no cage. ok, 300 bucks for the cage.we're still talking 4400 dollars. I drove this car every day to and from work, until This past november. I only stopped cause I picked up a different body, and swapped all my stuff into that body. Now I drive that everyday to and from work, and it feels faster than the last one. Hey, If my new chassis is as fast as it feels, I may only need to add slicks to my combo to get 11's. and i'm sorry, i've priced turbo kits for honda's for a friend. I haven't seen one for less than 3000. Either you have a really good dealer, or they're hot.

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12.54 @ 110.90
1.62 60'
best with old car, will let you know once i finish the transfer to the new to me car

I have pictures now, and here are the specs

[blue00gt]

In the March 2001 issue of MM&FF on p. 148 there is a True Street Fox notchback that started as a a 4-banger beater that was put together for a total of $4000. 11.39@118

inferno:

So you are saying that the turbo integra is going to run 11's on street tires...I doubt it.

[Lizard King]

My friend has a moded civic...

626 Turbo, Saab waste gate valve, T-Bird intercooler and is running 13.7 with drag radial. He needs tunning, but I doubt he'll go well below 13.5...

[inferno]

Originally posted by Lizard King:
My friend has a moded civic...

626 Turbo, Saab waste gate valve, T-Bird intercooler and is running 13.7 with drag radial. He needs tunning, but I doubt he'll go well below 13.5...

Interesting set-up....I am sure he can get a more efficient intercooler and cut his times....along with the tuning. I am sure that would definately put him in the 12's.

[Unit 5302]

Actually the T-bird is a watercooled intercooler inferno, you don't get a whole lot better.

Sides, I don't know how you figure a turbo on a 16sec car will drop over 3 full seconds off it's times.

[Lizard King]

Inferno: Are you just looking to get flames??? You haven't seen my friend's civic, you don't know if it's a hatch or coupe, vtech, year... do you have the all mighty power to give him the addionnal boost to run 12s??????????

It's pretty obvious you're a fan of imports. I must say I respect the import croud as well ... but there is no way in hell any import 4 banger starts on equal foot with any 1999+ GT stang.

[fastang]

I hate to say it Lizrd but the Subaru WRX impreza turbo is a 4 banger that runs 13.50's stock. So does the Mitsu Lancer but its only overseas, the WRX finaly got here after years of waiting. The Honda S2000 will also beat MOST stock 99-00 GT's. Not yours of course but the average.

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95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, 355's K&N, off road pipes, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors

[Lizard King]

Faststang, I stand correct... at premium price of $10K+.

The Subaru is a damn sweet car, ít probably be the ONLY 4 banger I would consider trading for my stang. Drive it in rain, snow, dry, on the drag strip, on road course... your gonna have smile right up to your ears all the time.

As for the S2000, ... you open up the hood, and then you ask yourself, what else can I do to go faster. Then you stand there looking at the car and start swearing... everything is so God d@mn tight in there you could barely fit your ***'n flash light! Oh well, you tell yourself, I guess I'll drive the car like it is and avoid the mustang croud ... hehehe, what a sucker.

[HKstang]

I've just hopped onto this thread here and I'm loving it. I'm new to the site so this is one of my first posts. I'm an ex-ricer (well, I'm still Chinese) that's been turned on to Mustangs by my friends. I recently bought a 5 litre and I'm loving it. Anyway, aren't you guys forgeting about other imports like turbo Talons/Eclipses Supras and RX7s. I'm not going to list the 300Z and Stealth cos you can't find cheap ones of those. I used to have an 87 Supra that went 102mph in the quarter with only full exhaust and some shims in the wastegate. Wouldn't hook though, I only ran a 14.3. My buddy had a Supra, also an 87 with STOCK exhaust, ported and clipped turbo which hit 176mph on the 407 (Canadian highway). The only reason he couldn't go any faster was that he was hitting his rev limiter in fifth!!!

OK that's my little rant.

feel free to flame me.

Geoff

[fastang]

HKSstang get it HKS? like the turbo since you know a lot about them...nevermind, anyway welcome to Mustangworks and I realy dont think anyone is going to flame you for being chinese or naming quick imports. You will find that most of the people here have a lot of respect for the quick imports...we just hate the poser sticker crowd that talks out their *** while knowing absolutely NOTHING about their or anyone elses car. We were trying to name 4 cyl imports that could keep up with a new stang in stock trim. The turbo eclipse and talon will not keep up when they are stock and the Supra/300z/3000GT are not 4 bangers. Price is not an option otherwise I wouldnt have listed the S2000. So far we have only came up with 2 U.S. released imports that can keep up with a stock stang.
Lizrd, you are totaly right about trying to mod an S2000 and the fact that it just waay too expensive. If they made them cheaper I would have a LOT more respect for Honda.

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95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, 355's K&N, off road pipes, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors