What is stock?

88workcar · 01-21-2003, 12:51 AM

We argue all the time about this. If you go to the track, every 350 chevy there is stock. No matter if it runs 16s or 9s. Stock? Just ask the guy, "yea it's just a stock small block chevy" What a Dick!

Ok, did a 93 cobra come with a E cam, cobra intake, and 65mm TB? If so, I run a stock 93 cobra motor, with a ported intake.

What do yall think?

Crazy Horse GT · 01-21-2003, 12:57 AM

i know what you mean, just because i put a k&n filter, flow's & an o/r x-pipe on my car, this azzz say's it aint stock, yeah go figure.

84LX89GT · 01-21-2003, 01:30 AM

Having someone say it's a stock 350 is probably for a few reasons: 1. the guy doesn't want to reveal his "speed secrets", 2. the guy is too lazy to explain anything to a "ford guy", 3. The guy doesn't know anything about cars, or 4. The vehicle is actually stock.

If people ask me what i've done to my car i usually summarize/list the most "important things" because if not the person i'm talking to gets bored. I usually just say "a ton of bolt on stuff", i usually invite the person to see for themself because a picture is worth a thousand words.

I suppose it also has to do with how often the person is asked the question. Until i raise my hood, no one asks anything unless it's another 5.0 mustang guy, whereas if you have a bad@ss tubbed Olds 442 you may get way more questions than someone with a more common car.....

....i'm just rambling and not making any sense

lx mike · 01-21-2003, 04:59 AM

usualy it's reason #1 depending on where your are, the person your talking to, and other minor things. especially at the track where you might run smeone and they say there stock but run times that are too good to be stock as they claim. even friend i hang out with don't tell us what they realy have. we had a guy that his cam would lope alot and he would always says he just had an e-cam and one guy called him out and said he's do the teardown and pay for the gaskets and stuff if he found an e-cam there and the guy declined him. come to find out it wasn't an e-cam like we figured.

tireburner163 · 01-21-2003, 09:41 AM

Stock is just that.......stock. No mods to the car

I'll let a K&N and a cat-back slid by as stock. But stuff like H or X pipes or other bolt-on's aren't counted as a "stock" motor.

Also I consider the car stock or modded. Not the motor. If you've got a stock motor but 7K worth of exhaust, suspention, etc. Your car ain't stock.

88workcar You don't have a cobra motor. You've got a 5.0 HO with ported heads and bolt-ons.

Mr 5 0 · 01-21-2003, 10:43 AM

I think we can all agree that 'stock' means the car is exactly the way it rolled off the assembly line, give or take a K&N.

Few peformance-minded people, the kind that buy V-8 Mustangs, have totally stock vehicles - and we know that. Guys you meet at a drag strip are even less likely to have totally stock vehicles and that should also be a given, no matter what anyone says. The timeslips tell the story. Most of us have a pretty good idea of what, say, a 'stock' 5.0 Mustang or older 350 Camaro should run (high 13's to low 14's) so when that 'stock' Camaro runs a 12-something we know it isn't stock - or close to it.

I think the game of calling your car 'stock' - when it isn't - is just a manifestation of smugness, a way of saying: "none of your business" while for others it may be reflexive and a result of being asked "What's it got?" a thousand times by people who don't understand 'what it's got' even when you tell them. I've found that Ford guys are more forthcoming when asked 'what they've got' when they know I'm a Ford guy too. Chevy guys tend to clam up; a typical 'You're-not-in-the-club' attitude and while I find it silly, I do understand it.

I only have minor mods and almost none on the engine so I say I'm 'stock' to the average inquiry. If someone is really interested - and I'm in the mood - I'll run down the mod list (it's short) but add that the engine is internally stock, which is what most people who care enough to ask, really want to know.

The Deuce · 01-21-2003, 12:25 PM

I call my car stock. To be honest, its not totally. The time I ran in my sig was with the following:

No strut brace (not all came with 'em anyway)
K&N, no snorkel
Steeda Tri-ax (should have been stock)
No spare/jack
Ford 9mm wires (stockers had an open #8)
Champion coppers
Tires at 25 psi

Now I don't know about where everyone else lives, but if I called my car modified I'd get laughed at. Sure when the h-pipe, gears and timing adjuster go on, it won't be stock anymore. But right now there is nothing that would raise an eyebrow under a warranty.

I guess that would be how I'd define stock. If you do it to an 03, and it doesn't even cross your mind that it would effect the warranty, then you're still stock. Unless of course another Mustang guy(girl) is poking around and wants to know.

bigbandjohn · 01-21-2003, 01:52 PM

Well, My car is stock. Nothing is modified from the original (yet). I replaced my stolen headlights with Ford headlights. My tires are even the same type that were on there originally. No Smugness. My car IS stock.... today.

Of course, I plan on doing some real mods soon. I will ask for advice soon, but until my '66 is rolling, the mods take a second seat.

jj_jonathon · 01-21-2003, 03:46 PM

stock

1. a piece of a company that decreases in value every day.

2. a vehicle that warranty would still cover.

88workcar · 01-21-2003, 10:00 PM

tireburner pull your panties out of your crack, I know I am not stock. I am just getting feed on a great subject.

Crazy Horse GT · 01-21-2003, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 88workcar
tireburner pull your panties out of your crack, I know I am not stock. I am just getting feed on a great subject.

lol take that burner, lmao- hey you mean just because i have an x-pipe im not stock? it's not like a blower or anything, lol.

tireburner163 · 01-22-2003, 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 88workcar
tireburner pull your panties out of your crack, I know I am not stock. I am just getting feed on a great subject.

I'm not upset or anything. I also think it's a great subject.

I was just saying that you don't have a Cobra motor due to the fact the Cobra's have different heads, a different cam, computer, etc than you.

88workcar · 01-22-2003, 09:06 PM

I hope you understand I was smiling when I wrote that. No real offense intended.

01-21-2003, 12:57 AM	#2
Crazy Horse GT Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sale Creek, TN. C. S. A. Posts: 4,652	i know what you mean, just because i put a k&n filter, flow's & an o/r x-pipe on my car, this azzz say's it aint stock, yeah go figure. __________________ 95 gt vert, lot's of stuff, it aint slow. 04 sonic blue v - six my beater 89 rs camaro iroc turbo hood, other stuff, my wifes ride 84 lx stang cammed up 289 hi po, etc 65 falcon, maybe by the year 2020. black 00gt, gone but never forgotten. R H C- member # 1 o.b.c. da prez- member # 1 if your under 40 dont ask. goodbye for now odie,r.i.p. 11-27-03

01-21-2003, 01:30 AM	#3
84LX89GT Mustangs Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 1,938	Having someone say it's a stock 350 is probably for a few reasons: 1. the guy doesn't want to reveal his "speed secrets", 2. the guy is too lazy to explain anything to a "ford guy", 3. The guy doesn't know anything about cars, or 4. The vehicle is actually stock. If people ask me what i've done to my car i usually summarize/list the most "important things" because if not the person i'm talking to gets bored. I usually just say "a ton of bolt on stuff", i usually invite the person to see for themself because a picture is worth a thousand words. I suppose it also has to do with how often the person is asked the question. Until i raise my hood, no one asks anything unless it's another 5.0 mustang guy, whereas if you have a bad@ss tubbed Olds 442 you may get way more questions than someone with a more common car..... ....i'm just rambling and not making any sense __________________ 2005 Suzuki Hayabusa GSX1300-R 1980 Ford Thunderbird - 255 V8 ported heads, 5.0L ported stock headers, O.R. H-pipe and Flowmaster 2-chambers, dual roller timing chain hi-po Mack Truck hood emblem 1985 Mustang GT 5.0L T5, F-303, GT40p, headers, off-road h, flowmasters, MSD stuff, etc. Sold 02/06/04 1989 Mustang GT ET: 13.304@102.29 mph (5-24-03) Sold - 1998 Mustang Cobra coupe, 1/4 mile - street tires: 13.843@103.41 (bone stock)

01-21-2003, 04:59 AM	#4
lx mike Undescribable Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Ft Myers Fla Posts: 1,539	usualy it's reason #1 depending on where your are, the person your talking to, and other minor things. especially at the track where you might run smeone and they say there stock but run times that are too good to be stock as they claim. even friend i hang out with don't tell us what they realy have. we had a guy that his cam would lope alot and he would always says he just had an e-cam and one guy called him out and said he's do the teardown and pay for the gaskets and stuff if he found an e-cam there and the guy declined him. come to find out it wasn't an e-cam like we figured. __________________ Rice Haters Club Member #101

01-21-2003, 09:41 AM	#5
tireburner163 It's a lot like a race car Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Meridian, MS Posts: 4,130	Stock is just that.......stock. No mods to the car I'll let a K&N and a cat-back slid by as stock. But stuff like H or X pipes or other bolt-on's aren't counted as a "stock" motor. Also I consider the car stock or modded. Not the motor. If you've got a stock motor but 7K worth of exhaust, suspention, etc. Your car ain't stock. 88workcar You don't have a cobra motor. You've got a 5.0 HO with ported heads and bolt-ons. __________________ 1987 Buick T-type 1998 HD Electra Elide

01-21-2003, 10:43 AM	#6
Mr 5 0 Conservative Individualist Join Date: May 1997 Location: Wherever I need to be Posts: 7,487	Stock is a relative term I think we can all agree that 'stock' means the car is exactly the way it rolled off the assembly line, give or take a K&N. Few peformance-minded people, the kind that buy V-8 Mustangs, have totally stock vehicles - and we know that. Guys you meet at a drag strip are even less likely to have totally stock vehicles and that should also be a given, no matter what anyone says. The timeslips tell the story. Most of us have a pretty good idea of what, say, a 'stock' 5.0 Mustang or older 350 Camaro should run (high 13's to low 14's) so when that 'stock' Camaro runs a 12-something we know it isn't stock - or close to it. I think the game of calling your car 'stock' - when it isn't - is just a manifestation of smugness, a way of saying: "none of your business" while for others it may be reflexive and a result of being asked "What's it got?" a thousand times by people who don't understand 'what it's got' even when you tell them. I've found that Ford guys are more forthcoming when asked 'what they've got' when they know I'm a Ford guy too. Chevy guys tend to clam up; a typical 'You're-not-in-the-club' attitude and while I find it silly, I do understand it. I only have minor mods and almost none on the engine so I say I'm 'stock' to the average inquiry. If someone is really interested - and I'm in the mood - I'll run down the mod list (it's short) but add that the engine is internally stock, which is what most people who care enough to ask, really want to know. __________________ 5.0 Mustang Owner 1990 - 2005 Last edited by Mr 5 0; 01-21-2003 at 10:48 AM..

01-21-2003, 12:51 AM	#1
88workcar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Pierre Part, La. U.S.A. Posts: 1,850	What is stock? We argue all the time about this. If you go to the track, every 350 chevy there is stock. No matter if it runs 16s or 9s. Stock? Just ask the guy, "yea it's just a stock small block chevy" What a Dick! Ok, did a 93 cobra come with a E cam, cobra intake, and 65mm TB? If so, I run a stock 93 cobra motor, with a ported intake. What do yall think? __________________ 88workcar 1988 Mustang LX 342. 417rwhp @ 6800. 28 X 10 ET Drag, 4.30s, 10.69 @ 126.43 1.42 60ft. 11.13 @ 127.7 on BFGs 1.72 60ft Rice Hater # 42 To be old and wise, You must first be young and stupid I'm somewhere in tthe middle.

01-21-2003, 12:25 PM	#7
The Deuce Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,325	I call my car stock. To be honest, its not totally. The time I ran in my sig was with the following: No strut brace (not all came with 'em anyway) K&N, no snorkel Steeda Tri-ax (should have been stock) No spare/jack Ford 9mm wires (stockers had an open #8) Champion coppers Tires at 25 psi Now I don't know about where everyone else lives, but if I called my car modified I'd get laughed at. Sure when the h-pipe, gears and timing adjuster go on, it won't be stock anymore. But right now there is nothing that would raise an eyebrow under a warranty. I guess that would be how I'd define stock. If you do it to an 03, and it doesn't even cross your mind that it would effect the warranty, then you're still stock. Unless of course another Mustang guy(girl) is poking around and wants to know. __________________ 1997 Mustang GT "The Freak" - 13.80 @ 101.70, 2.07 60' 1995 Honda VFR750 - not much @ really fast (actual data pending.) 1964.5 Mustang 289 Rice Haters Club Member #13

01-21-2003, 01:52 PM	#8
bigbandjohn Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The South, USA Posts: 143	Well, My car is stock. Nothing is modified from the original (yet). I replaced my stolen headlights with Ford headlights. My tires are even the same type that were on there originally. No Smugness. My car IS stock.... today. Of course, I plan on doing some real mods soon. I will ask for advice soon, but until my '66 is rolling, the mods take a second seat.

01-21-2003, 03:46 PM	#9
jj_jonathon Trisket Join Date: May 2002 Location: University of Florida, FL Posts: ½ Posts: 1,560	stock 1. a piece of a company that decreases in value every day. 2. a vehicle that warranty would still cover. __________________ University of Florida - Physics Major My 02GT vert Media Center Pics BBK Underdrive Pulleys \| K&N FIPK (Gen II) \| Bullet Grille \| Mach 1 Chin Spoiler \| UPR Interior Parts \| XM Radio \| Audiobahn Subs Ricer Hater's Club Member #1/2 (30) http://www.ricehatersclub.com/

01-21-2003, 10:00 PM	#10
88workcar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Pierre Part, La. U.S.A. Posts: 1,850	tireburner pull your panties out of your crack, I know I am not stock. I am just getting feed on a great subject. __________________ 88workcar 1988 Mustang LX 342. 417rwhp @ 6800. 28 X 10 ET Drag, 4.30s, 10.69 @ 126.43 1.42 60ft. 11.13 @ 127.7 on BFGs 1.72 60ft Rice Hater # 42 To be old and wise, You must first be young and stupid I'm somewhere in tthe middle.

01-22-2003, 09:06 PM	#13
88workcar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Pierre Part, La. U.S.A. Posts: 1,850	I hope you understand I was smiling when I wrote that. No real offense intended. __________________ 88workcar 1988 Mustang LX 342. 417rwhp @ 6800. 28 X 10 ET Drag, 4.30s, 10.69 @ 126.43 1.42 60ft. 11.13 @ 127.7 on BFGs 1.72 60ft Rice Hater # 42 To be old and wise, You must first be young and stupid I'm somewhere in tthe middle.

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