Which Supercharger to buy???

00SlvrSleen · 11-29-2001, 07:59 PM

I just bought a 00 Saleen S281 Speedster. I want to add a supercharger in the Spring. Which should I buy. Here is my situation: I don't want to spend more than $4000 to buy the kit. I want to get close to 400 hp. I want a supercharger from a reputable company with proven products. Don't want to cause damage to the engine. I am not a "racer" , but I don't want a Vette to challenge me. I will have a professional speed shop install it. So far, the Paxton Novi 1000 and the S/Q Vortech are my favorites. Should I buy the stage II Saleen Blower kit??? How much should I spend? Where should I buy from? Looking for suggestions.

smithbling · 11-29-2001, 10:35 PM

The Vortech KICKS $HIT!! I have never heard anything bad about them. However, you would be just fine with a Vortech S-Trim unless they are exactly the same. A buddy of mine went 10.7's@126MPH with the regular S-trim.

Overall though I would still get a TURBO KIT!!! Cartech for me Baby!!!

SaleenGTS · 11-30-2001, 09:45 AM

I am all for PRocharger, but I am not current on 4.6 blowers....I know that procharger blows the comp away with the 5.0's. The vortech with the aftercooler is a awesome setup too....you could get that with a abtercooler for about 4500$$

typeR · 11-30-2001, 11:05 AM

howabout a twin screw
http://images.fotki.com/free/97aa/1/...Charger-or.jpg

Hammer · 11-30-2001, 12:05 PM

While you probably won't see 400hp, I would go for a roots style blower. They're dependable on a near stock setup and have great torque for stoplight "altercations". They sell for around 4 grand and it also gets you a new intake ...

If you positively must have the power at all costs, go procharger with a 3 core intercooler... just be prepared for tuning costs to get the most out of it...

Ty'97Cobra · 11-30-2001, 01:52 PM

Depends on what you want the 'increased power' for. I would say Vortech for upper end RPM runs. Or Saleen Roots style for the stoplight races like Hammer said.

Definately look into a turbo/twin turbo setup also.

00SlvrSleen · 11-30-2001, 04:43 PM

I don't have any information on Turbos yet. What's the main difference between a turbo and a Supercharger? I am receving many replies that a Turbo would be better... I would just be interested in 2 things: Resale value of the Saleen and possible races from the stoplight only.
How much do turbos cost and what is the avg time to install? So far, the roots style blower is looking most attractive to me. It keeps the Saleen integrity for resale and is plenty fast.
I don't race the car or run it too hard....often, but just in case; I don't want some Camaro or Vette (stock) to blow past me...Ya know?

SaleenGTS · 11-30-2001, 05:09 PM

Turbo's and Superchargers do the exact same thing....pros and cons for both.

The main difference is that Turbo's run off of your exhaust and blowers run off of your crank. Superchargers are more instant boost than turbo's. Torbo's have that notorious "turbo lag"

With turbo's you will also have to alter your exhaust, buy differend headers, etc...

You will also have to buy a intercooler whereas with a blower you don't HAVE TO, but you can.

I hope that answered your question.

Leeroy697 · 11-30-2001, 07:35 PM

One word Procharger. They rock. Thats what Im gonna get in a couple months.

Turbo99GT · 11-30-2001, 08:17 PM

"The main difference is that Turbo's run off of your exhaust and blowers run off of your crank. Superchargers are more instant boost than turbo's. Torbo's have that notorious "turbo lag"

With turbo's you will also have to alter your exhaust, buy differend headers, etc...

You will also have to buy a intercooler whereas with a blower you don't HAVE TO, but you can."

This is definitely not coming from a person with experience having a Turbo V8. I have a Turbo 4.6 and have had one since August. It is awesome and if he can swing the money, it would definitely be the best choice. I have a TDC Stage II kit and is tons faster at the same boost level than my V2 S-trim ever was. As far as turbo lag, it is minimal at best with a V8. I see full boost by 3400 rpms running a T-76 whether it's 5 psi or 15 psi. That is alot sooner than 8 psi from the Vortech at 6K. If you run a T-66 or 60-1, you will see boost alot sooner. We can get into Hybrids & Ceramic bearings which impacts spool time, but that's another story. Also the TDC kits come 100% complete with everything.

http://www.turbodrivenconcepts.com/feature.html
http://www.turbodrivenconcepts.com/2001catalog.pdf

Turbo99GT · 11-30-2001, 08:24 PM

Turbo 4.6

NO SLO PK · 12-01-2001, 01:06 AM

My vote is Procharger! I had a friend that ran 17psi on the intake/21 at the discharge on super unleaded and 10 degrees initial timing. The 3 row intercooler helps...cools to about 25 degrees above ambient. He was using a D-1. His trap speed was claimed to be 123 mph with a STOCK long block and shorty headers.

Because of my friend's Procharged 5.0, I sold my KB blower and made the change.

smithbling · 12-01-2001, 01:08 AM

Turbo's put out a lot more tourque then a supercharger does. Like Turbo99 said "Lag is minimal" it would give the tires a chance to brace themselves for about an extra 200 lbs of tourque in 2 seconds! You don't have to deal with belts, to change power just the turn of a dial or press of a button on the FLY!!

Typically, (for example) 10PSI turbo = 14-15 SUPERCHARGER
You also have to spin the **** out of a supercharger to get real big power for a given unit.

New headers come with the kit, install time is longer.

PLus, would you want all that stress on your crank??

93cobra tt · 12-01-2001, 02:21 AM

I hear ya Turbo99GT, gotta love the twin turbo! Yes turbos have alot going for them, and are really awesome. I am a turbo man, but I also love the superchargers. The thing is 00SlvrSleen wants to spend around $4000. I do not know of any turbo kits for the modulars that are that cheap. TDC's single turbo kit is around 4k, but is not as promising. In his case i'd recommend a centrifugal supercharger. Most people I know that got a roots style kit had ended up selling it later on. The P1SC is a monster and has a unique design. The Vortech is reliable, and has a good street reputation. Also Saleen used Vortechs in their older cars. For 4 grand you could get a good supercharger and not be disappointed. But FYI, for about 1500 more you could get an awesome twin turbo kit from Incon. In an article I read they had used a stock 2000 S281. After the kit, the car produced on the dyno: 399hp @ 4500 and 471 tq @4300. The wastegate was set at 7 psi. Heres the beauty of it: because of the big modular heads, the turbos cant be seen from above, very stealthy. The reason why the kit is so expensive is it comes with a Griggs racing tubular K-member and coil overs. Love the turbos.

typeR · 12-01-2001, 06:51 PM

whipple twin screw...similar to roots...testing sig

View Poll Results: Which Supercharger for the Saleen S281?
Paxton Novi 1000	2	7.41%
Paxton Novi 2000	8	29.63%
Vortech S-Trim	4	14.81%
Procharger	10	37.04%
Powerdyne	0	0%
Vortech T-Trim	1	3.70%
Eaton/Saleen Roots blower	2	7.41%
Voters: 27. This poll is closed

11-29-2001, 07:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
00SlvrSleen Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Florence, KY Posts: 4	Which Supercharger to buy??? I just bought a 00 Saleen S281 Speedster. I want to add a supercharger in the Spring. Which should I buy. Here is my situation: I don't want to spend more than $4000 to buy the kit. I want to get close to 400 hp. I want a supercharger from a reputable company with proven products. Don't want to cause damage to the engine. I am not a "racer" , but I don't want a Vette to challenge me. I will have a professional speed shop install it. So far, the Paxton Novi 1000 and the S/Q Vortech are my favorites. Should I buy the stage II Saleen Blower kit??? How much should I spend? Where should I buy from? Looking for suggestions. __________________ Tuff

11-29-2001, 10:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
smithbling Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Kitchener Ontario Canada Posts: 239	The Vortech KICKS $HIT!! I have never heard anything bad about them. However, you would be just fine with a Vortech S-Trim unless they are exactly the same. A buddy of mine went 10.7's@126MPH with the regular S-trim. Overall though I would still get a TURBO KIT!!! Cartech for me Baby!!! __________________ 88 Notch MAC Headers, MAC H-pipe, MAC Pullies, KN, and BM Shifter Best ET: 14.689 Best MPH: 98.54 Best 60': 2.333

11-30-2001, 12:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
Hammer AKA "Dr. Evil" Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: South Fork Ranch Posts: 1,721	While you probably won't see 400hp, I would go for a roots style blower. They're dependable on a near stock setup and have great torque for stoplight "altercations". They sell for around 4 grand and it also gets you a new intake ... If you positively must have the power at all costs, go procharger with a 3 core intercooler... just be prepared for tuning costs to get the most out of it... __________________ Uncle Sam "What the hell is up with all the gauges? Calling Captain Kirk, your ride awaits... Phasers on stun...."

11-30-2001, 01:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ty'97Cobra Registered Member Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: NC Posts: 308	Depends on what you want the 'increased power' for. I would say Vortech for upper end RPM runs. Or Saleen Roots style for the stoplight races like Hammer said. Definately look into a turbo/twin turbo setup also. __________________ 2003 Cobra Convertible - Dark Shadow Gray #2459 of 5082 Visit my city http://diggstown.myminicity.com/

11-30-2001, 09:45 AM	#3 (permalink)
SaleenGTS RICE taste like Chicken Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 687	I am all for PRocharger, but I am not current on 4.6 blowers....I know that procharger blows the comp away with the 5.0's. The vortech with the aftercooler is a awesome setup too....you could get that with a abtercooler for about 4500$$

11-30-2001, 11:05 AM	#4 (permalink)
typeR Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 111	howabout a twin screw http://images.fotki.com/free/97aa/1/...Charger-or.jpg

11-30-2001, 05:09 PM	#8 (permalink)
SaleenGTS RICE taste like Chicken Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 687	Turbo's and Superchargers do the exact same thing....pros and cons for both. The main difference is that Turbo's run off of your exhaust and blowers run off of your crank. Superchargers are more instant boost than turbo's. Torbo's have that notorious "turbo lag" With turbo's you will also have to alter your exhaust, buy differend headers, etc... You will also have to buy a intercooler whereas with a blower you don't HAVE TO, but you can. I hope that answered your question.

11-30-2001, 07:35 PM	#9 (permalink)
Leeroy697 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 10	One word Procharger. They rock. Thats what Im gonna get in a couple months. __________________ 90 LX K&N 95 GTS Its got some mods.

11-30-2001, 08:17 PM	#10 (permalink)
Turbo99GT Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 71	"The main difference is that Turbo's run off of your exhaust and blowers run off of your crank. Superchargers are more instant boost than turbo's. Torbo's have that notorious "turbo lag" With turbo's you will also have to alter your exhaust, buy differend headers, etc... You will also have to buy a intercooler whereas with a blower you don't HAVE TO, but you can." This is definitely not coming from a person with experience having a Turbo V8. I have a Turbo 4.6 and have had one since August. It is awesome and if he can swing the money, it would definitely be the best choice. I have a TDC Stage II kit and is tons faster at the same boost level than my V2 S-trim ever was. As far as turbo lag, it is minimal at best with a V8. I see full boost by 3400 rpms running a T-76 whether it's 5 psi or 15 psi. That is alot sooner than 8 psi from the Vortech at 6K. If you run a T-66 or 60-1, you will see boost alot sooner. We can get into Hybrids & Ceramic bearings which impacts spool time, but that's another story. Also the TDC kits come 100% complete with everything. http://www.turbodrivenconcepts.com/feature.html http://www.turbodrivenconcepts.com/2001catalog.pdf __________________ 99 Silver GT Auto DTA Built Engine w/P&P heads, TDC Turbo (T-76), Built 4R70W, PI Multi-Disc 3200 T/C, Eaton 31 Spline Carrier, Strange 31 Spline Axles, Aeromotive 1000 HP fuel system, 66lb injectors, MSD DIS4, Accel DFI Gen VII & Mac 3" cat-back. Built by Jade Performance Best on Nitto D/Rs 11.698 @ 120.898 @ 12 psi (built block) Best on Slicks 10.922 @ 122.95 (stock longblock)

12-01-2001, 01:06 AM	#12 (permalink)
NO SLO PK Registered Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Arcadia, CA, USA Posts: 731	My vote is Procharger! I had a friend that ran 17psi on the intake/21 at the discharge on super unleaded and 10 degrees initial timing. The 3 row intercooler helps...cools to about 25 degrees above ambient. He was using a D-1. His trap speed was claimed to be 123 mph with a STOCK long block and shorty headers. Because of my friend's Procharged 5.0, I sold my KB blower and made the change. __________________ Russ L '91 LX - 331 w/ Procharger '03 Cobra Convertible - Pullied '94 Lightning '65 Mustang Coupe

12-01-2001, 01:08 AM	#13 (permalink)
smithbling Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Kitchener Ontario Canada Posts: 239	Turbo's put out a lot more tourque then a supercharger does. Like Turbo99 said "Lag is minimal" it would give the tires a chance to brace themselves for about an extra 200 lbs of tourque in 2 seconds! You don't have to deal with belts, to change power just the turn of a dial or press of a button on the FLY!! Typically, (for example) 10PSI turbo = 14-15 SUPERCHARGER You also have to spin the **** out of a supercharger to get real big power for a given unit. New headers come with the kit, install time is longer. PLus, would you want all that stress on your crank?? __________________ 88 Notch MAC Headers, MAC H-pipe, MAC Pullies, KN, and BM Shifter Best ET: 14.689 Best MPH: 98.54 Best 60': 2.333

12-01-2001, 02:21 AM	#14 (permalink)
93cobra tt Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: CT Posts: 12	I hear ya Turbo99GT, gotta love the twin turbo! Yes turbos have alot going for them, and are really awesome. I am a turbo man, but I also love the superchargers. The thing is 00SlvrSleen wants to spend around $4000. I do not know of any turbo kits for the modulars that are that cheap. TDC's single turbo kit is around 4k, but is not as promising. In his case i'd recommend a centrifugal supercharger. Most people I know that got a roots style kit had ended up selling it later on. The P1SC is a monster and has a unique design. The Vortech is reliable, and has a good street reputation. Also Saleen used Vortechs in their older cars. For 4 grand you could get a good supercharger and not be disappointed. But FYI, for about 1500 more you could get an awesome twin turbo kit from Incon. In an article I read they had used a stock 2000 S281. After the kit, the car produced on the dyno: 399hp @ 4500 and 471 tq @4300. The wastegate was set at 7 psi. Heres the beauty of it: because of the big modular heads, the turbos cant be seen from above, very stealthy. The reason why the kit is so expensive is it comes with a Griggs racing tubular K-member and coil overs. Love the turbos. __________________ Here, F-Body, Corvette, Grand National- I've got two suprises for you.

12-01-2001, 06:51 PM	#15 (permalink)
typeR Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 111	whipple twin screw...similar to roots...testing sig __________________ '01 acura CL-S 260/232 (stock) 2500$ 3.5L short block 299$ cai 10 whp 299$ lowered 1.0/1.25 999$ headers 30 whp look on there face...pricless PB 1/4 13.794@101.54

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