Talon ESi?

Isn't a Dodge Stealth and Mitsubishi 3000GT a DSM?

[Jerry95TSI]

No not really.. the only dsm are eclipse/talon/laser and Galant VR4 the turbo model of all these cars run the 4G63. i do have to add i have raced my share of stangs, and the few owners that dont know about dsm's were dumbfounded and thought i was spraying.

[ricekilla]

first off, i'm a v8 fan but, i used to have a eclipse GS-T w/ a full exhaust and cranked up boost and i smoked my share of mustangs and camaros and a few porsches. they are sic little buggers.

[2000stanggirl]

Originally posted by Lizard King
QuikTurbo, your damn right the AWD is mind blowing on first gear. You don't know how many sunglasses I have lost on the back windows sill. But seriously, I went through 4 transmissions and 3 clutches (not count all the rest of the crap) in a 30 month lease.

I didn't realize there was a known problem with the tranny's in these cars. I had a stock '91 Talon TSI AWD in college. It was a fun car, and zippy, but it couldn't hang with the big boys. The gas mileage couldn't be beat ( I avg'd 28 mpg in the Talon, but I could barely get 19 in the T/A, the stang gets about 23 hwy)

The tranny died at 115,000 miles. The turbo died at 150,000.

[95mustanggt]

Although I've only heard from people on this board about the transmission. I have known a few guys who went through clutches left, right and centre. At first I just thought they could not drive, but after the second clutch, I figured, must be a quality/design issue.

You'd think an aftermarket clutch would be the way to go, unless the aftermarket sucked too...

[Kailhasa]

Or, it could be the fact that four wheels grip a lot better than two.
More grip means less slip, and a lot more driveline stress when you dump 400 angry, turbocharged horse power spinning at 6000rpm through every square inch of rubber on the ground. When neither end of the driveline equasion is willing to give an inch, the player who draws the short end of the stick is, unfortunatly, Mr.Clutch. So it will wear very quickly when abused.
Do take note though: A properly driven, stock, TSi AWD, will more than happilly putter around on the stock clutch for a long, long way.
But when you start upping the power, and dumping the clutch for those famous AWD launches, well, the stock clutch just won't cut it. Even aftermarket clutches will break down faster than usual. But its actually a good thing to let your clutch take most of the stress. He can be replaced pretty easilly, whereas a blown tranny, a warped crank, snapped shaft, or detonated differential... well, that tends to be more costly and time consuming. Its just that, DSMs were never meant to take 400hp+ AWD launches. They weren't designed for that kind of stress (though the wonderful thing about them is that they can create it, and survive it for quite a while). So thats why they may seem to have so many "driveline issues".
Two overpowered rear wheels will happilly transform themselves into billowing clouds of smoke... but when you try to overpower four wheels, the demand on that far more complicated driveline will increase by a great degree.
Yes, its a hassle, but its something you learn to live with. The amazed look on other vehicles owners' faces is a pretty handy coping mechanism too.

Peace

-Kail

[bri32zz]

Just to get off of the beaten path a bit....... A car to look out for is the 87 Dodge glhs turbo. These cars are very light 2400lbs and with a little tweaking will kick but. They ran 14 seconds from the factory and with mods can easily reach the 11's. I had one It was my 1st car. My neighbor raced road circuits for Shelby and gave me all kinds of free mods. Mine was very fast and smoked my friends M3 with a turbo BAD. I still to this day like that little car and wish I still had it to drive to work.

[95mustanggt]

Originally posted by bri32zz
Just to get off of the beaten path a bit....... A car to look out for is the 87 Dodge glhs turbo. These cars are very light 2400lbs and with a little tweaking will kick but. They ran 14 seconds from the factory and with mods can easily reach the 11's. I had one It was my 1st car. My neighbor raced road circuits for Shelby and gave me all kinds of free mods. Mine was very fast and smoked my friends M3 with a turbo BAD. I still to this day like that little car and wish I still had it to drive to work.

I had a good buddy in High school that one a car like that. He'd smoke 350 Camaros all day, it was funny. Had several reliability issues though . But it was a fun little car!

[this is not cbring]

maybe the guy just didn't want to race you. maybe he had his mind on something, maybe he wasn't running right, maybe he was low on gas, maybe he had a headache, maybe he had groceries in the car, maybe he was trying to get his goldfish home safely, etc, etc, etc..........

maybe he realized that street racing isn't legal.

[sdd228]

if thats the case then he should have looked over and told the guy that he cant go. i hate when the people dont even look over at you when they know they drive a pretty quick car and you drive a quick car. whats the point of having a fast car if you dont play around a little bit. (besides going to the track) grant it street racing is illegal but i know i wont go above a certain speed if we're around a busy part of town.

[BilLster]

I have a awd aerostar van thats supprised a lot of people off of the line awd does help untill hp is substancially added. I want to add a vortech to it when money is available.