Talon ESi?

95mustanggt · 01-09-2001, 10:42 AM

I was on my home feeling sassy when I spot an olive green Eagle Talon ESi with HKS and other racing stickers all over it. We lined up at the lights and buddy would not look over at me and started out from the lights like super slow. I tried 2 more to get him to race, but he jsut wouldn't.

What in the hell is a Talon ESi

? It said 16 valve DOHC on the door. I thought that the TSi was the Turbo version and the ES was just a plain 4 banger?

I assume that he was just another ricer with turbo stickers on the car, because a turbo talon (especially with an aftermarket turbo) should atleast be able to give me a run for the money. This guy was totally not going to race. He wasn't even an old guy.

Geez!

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White 1995 Mustang GT
Dynomax Cat-Back, Offroad H-pipe, K&N Filters w/o Air Silencer
My 1995 Mustang GT

smithbling · 01-09-2001, 12:15 PM

Here's how 1G (90-94) Talons breakdown:

1. TSI AWD - Turbo AWD 195HP (high 14-low 15)
2. TSI - Turbo FWD 195 HP (stock mid 15)
3. ESI - N/A FWD 140 HP (mid 16)
4. DL - 110 HP? **** Slow!

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C ME FLY

88 coupe
14.75 @ 98 mph
Traction Limited

95mustanggt · 01-09-2001, 12:48 PM

No wonder he didn't want to go. The guy probably just had all those stickers on the car to show off. Oh well, It would have been fun to hand him his a$$.

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White 1995 Mustang GT
Dynomax Cat-Back, Offroad H-pipe, K&N Filters w/o Air Silencer
My 1995 Mustang GT

SMOKE · 01-09-2001, 05:30 PM

Beware the TSi AWD. There are some that have been tweaked and that run 12s in the 1/4mi.

I read of one in Central Fl that used to eat up Mustangs. No stickers but a lot of boost.

PoNy FiV o · 01-10-2001, 12:49 PM

definitely watch the TSi AWD, i've driven one and they got some balls that could give ya a run if your not careful. Go at 'em all though, most are like the one you spoke of....

PoNy FiV o · 01-10-2001, 12:51 PM

definitely watch the TSi AWD, i've driven one and they got some balls that could give ya a run if your not careful. Go at 'em all though, most are like the one you spoke of....

IRACERICE · 01-10-2001, 01:23 PM

check out www.turbotrix.com for some sweet daily driven talon's. Keith's car runs 11.6 on a bone stock motor with a turbo upgrade. Utter silliness. the owner's car runs 10.7s and is full interior, street driven car.

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93 del sol 12.14 @ 115.8 (retired)
on order: 2001 White S2000
still have: 91 crx 12.46 @ 108.5 mph

LX XLR8R · 01-10-2001, 01:31 PM

those number are correct for out of the box but who races them out of the box..i raced a 90 eclipse TSI AWD with just freebies(spike the turbo) and a muffler(still had a cat) and this thing ran a 13.0@105 as it sat..they are no joke..the bottom ends on those can hold 4-500hp..the newer ones have 14# out of the box while the older ones come with 6# from the factory..

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1987 black notch(ex 4 banger)
DSS 306 w/ main support...Elderbrock 6028 heads..gt-40 intake..24# injectors...70 mm tb..77 pro-m...accel 300+..mac full legnth..tremec w/ pro5oh...full MAC exhaust,off road h-pipe,long tubes, catback...ron davis radiator..subframes, control arms...CFDF II..o yea holley FPR sucks..dont buy one..

95mustanggt · 01-10-2001, 02:41 PM

Ya those Talons are mean machines if they are the authentic TSi AWD. I thought about buying one before I go the stang, but a $35,000+ Canadian price tag was far too much. They are nice cars, though I've heard of many tranny and clutch problems.

smithbling · 01-10-2001, 04:35 PM

I used to own a 1990 TSI (aka older ones). They come with 11-11.5 PSI out of the box.

The pre 93 have tranny problems. After that they received upgraded trannies. I had to replace the clutch on mine, after everything it cost $915 Canadian or $600 US. OUCHHH!

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C ME FLY

88 coupe
14.75 @ 98 mph
Traction Limited

Lizard King · 01-10-2001, 07:11 PM

Actually I used to have a TSI AWD and stock best time I pulled was 15.1.

The ESI is a piece of garbage; My winter beater is an 1996 Hyundai Accent, and I almost beat one on a light to light race.

They probably shoot in the 18s.

Front wheel Drive TSI's are .1 second faster stock on the 1/4 mile and about 3-4MPH more at the end.

Less traction yes, but a lot less weight too.

That was my .02.

Later,

quikturbo · 01-11-2001, 02:54 PM

the talon/eclipe awd's are unbelievable to be in at launch, all four claws tryin to grab the cement. I have a '99 GS-T with larger turbo, full exhaust, air/fuel controller, all the goodies, soon to come a front mount intercooler. my car will run 12's no problem, low 12's with slicks. I am still a devoted mustang lover, but I do love my eclipse. To each their own.
"My name is Chris, and I am a car addict

"
later everyone

Lizard King · 01-11-2001, 11:39 PM

QuikTurbo, your damn right the AWD is mind blowing on first gear. You don't know how many sunglasses I have lost on the back windows sill. But seriously, I went through 4 transmissions and 3 clutches (not count all the rest of the crap) in a 30 month lease.

Think about this my stock AWD TSI ran 0-60MPH in 6.4sec.
My new STOCK mustang GT runs that same 0-60 in 5.4sec.

The TSI AWD has no guts after launch (stock)

BTW, Joey one of my (and Try Me) good buddies would probably appreciate your ride more than anyone here. He has a 1997 Eclipse GST and managed to hit 14.6 this year (he was pretty happy about that).

In Ottawa, there is this guy with a TSI AWD that runs 12s. His name is Pat Chang and license plate says V8KILR. You don't ***** around with that SOB. Nice guy though.

People look nasty in the states, attitude and crap. You guys should some up here this summer. Everybody. imports, V8, 911, Cudas, we all hag out and race together.

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Lizard King - 00GT

>> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock.

"I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors

quikturbo · 01-12-2001, 01:33 PM

hey Lizard,
I have been pondering the thought of three cars to add to my collection. I am either going to buy a supra, was in a slightly modded one and almost crapped myself

, a 2000 cobra. I am also going to find a notchback to mod heavily!!! That would be a great road trip to your town. My buddies GSX that has a fmic and the same mods as me ran a 12.2 et. his car is nuts.

blown281 · 05-03-2002, 07:34 AM

yeah any 5 speed awd talon or eclipe can be made very fast, for a very small amount of money. fwd are a bit quicker from a roll but from a stop a moded awd dsm is very impressive

01-09-2001, 10:42 AM	#1 (permalink)
95mustanggt Mustang is Parked :( Join Date: May 2000 Location: Kamloops, BC Posts: 2,874	Talon ESi? I was on my home feeling sassy when I spot an olive green Eagle Talon ESi with HKS and other racing stickers all over it. We lined up at the lights and buddy would not look over at me and started out from the lights like super slow. I tried 2 more to get him to race, but he jsut wouldn't. What in the hell is a Talon ESi ? It said 16 valve DOHC on the door. I thought that the TSi was the Turbo version and the ES was just a plain 4 banger? I assume that he was just another ricer with turbo stickers on the car, because a turbo talon (especially with an aftermarket turbo) should atleast be able to give me a run for the money. This guy was totally not going to race. He wasn't even an old guy. Geez! ------------------ White 1995 Mustang GT Dynomax Cat-Back, Offroad H-pipe, K&N Filters w/o Air Silencer My 1995 Mustang GT

05-03-2002, 07:34 AM	#15 (permalink)
blown281 Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2	yeah any 5 speed awd talon or eclipe can be made very fast, for a very small amount of money. fwd are a bit quicker from a roll but from a stop a moded awd dsm is very impressive __________________ why talk about dsm's when you can tune them

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01-09-2001, 12:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
smithbling Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Kitchener Ontario Canada Posts: 239	Here's how 1G (90-94) Talons breakdown: 1. TSI AWD - Turbo AWD 195HP (high 14-low 15) 2. TSI - Turbo FWD 195 HP (stock mid 15) 3. ESI - N/A FWD 140 HP (mid 16) 4. DL - 110 HP? **** Slow! ------------------ C ME FLY 88 coupe 14.75 @ 98 mph Traction Limited

01-09-2001, 12:48 PM	#3 (permalink)
95mustanggt Mustang is Parked :( Join Date: May 2000 Location: Kamloops, BC Posts: 2,874	No wonder he didn't want to go. The guy probably just had all those stickers on the car to show off. Oh well, It would have been fun to hand him his a$$. ------------------ White 1995 Mustang GT Dynomax Cat-Back, Offroad H-pipe, K&N Filters w/o Air Silencer My 1995 Mustang GT

01-09-2001, 05:30 PM	#4 (permalink)
SMOKE Old School ROUSH Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Stockbridge, GA Posts: 530	Beware the TSi AWD. There are some that have been tweaked and that run 12s in the 1/4mi. I read of one in Central Fl that used to eat up Mustangs. No stickers but a lot of boost.

01-10-2001, 12:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
PoNy FiV o Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: batavia,ny,us Posts: 19	definitely watch the TSi AWD, i've driven one and they got some balls that could give ya a run if your not careful. Go at 'em all though, most are like the one you spoke of....

01-10-2001, 12:51 PM	#6 (permalink)
PoNy FiV o Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: batavia,ny,us Posts: 19	definitely watch the TSi AWD, i've driven one and they got some balls that could give ya a run if your not careful. Go at 'em all though, most are like the one you spoke of....

01-10-2001, 01:23 PM	#7 (permalink)
IRACERICE Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: New York Posts: 58	check out www.turbotrix.com for some sweet daily driven talon's. Keith's car runs 11.6 on a bone stock motor with a turbo upgrade. Utter silliness. the owner's car runs 10.7s and is full interior, street driven car. ------------------ 93 del sol 12.14 @ 115.8 (retired) on order: 2001 White S2000 still have: 91 crx 12.46 @ 108.5 mph

01-10-2001, 01:31 PM	#8 (permalink)
LX XLR8R Dirk Diggler Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: SLOATSBURG, NY Posts: 1,931	those number are correct for out of the box but who races them out of the box..i raced a 90 eclipse TSI AWD with just freebies(spike the turbo) and a muffler(still had a cat) and this thing ran a 13.0@105 as it sat..they are no joke..the bottom ends on those can hold 4-500hp..the newer ones have 14# out of the box while the older ones come with 6# from the factory.. ------------------ 1987 black notch(ex 4 banger) DSS 306 w/ main support...Elderbrock 6028 heads..gt-40 intake..24# injectors...70 mm tb..77 pro-m...accel 300+..mac full legnth..tremec w/ pro5oh...full MAC exhaust,off road h-pipe,long tubes, catback...ron davis radiator..subframes, control arms...CFDF II..o yea holley FPR sucks..dont buy one..

01-10-2001, 02:41 PM	#9 (permalink)
95mustanggt Mustang is Parked :( Join Date: May 2000 Location: Kamloops, BC Posts: 2,874	Ya those Talons are mean machines if they are the authentic TSi AWD. I thought about buying one before I go the stang, but a $35,000+ Canadian price tag was far too much. They are nice cars, though I've heard of many tranny and clutch problems.

01-10-2001, 04:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
smithbling Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Kitchener Ontario Canada Posts: 239	I used to own a 1990 TSI (aka older ones). They come with 11-11.5 PSI out of the box. The pre 93 have tranny problems. After that they received upgraded trannies. I had to replace the clutch on mine, after everything it cost $915 Canadian or $600 US. OUCHHH! ------------------ C ME FLY 88 coupe 14.75 @ 98 mph Traction Limited

01-10-2001, 07:11 PM	#11 (permalink)
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	Actually I used to have a TSI AWD and stock best time I pulled was 15.1. The ESI is a piece of garbage; My winter beater is an 1996 Hyundai Accent, and I almost beat one on a light to light race. They probably shoot in the 18s. Front wheel Drive TSI's are .1 second faster stock on the 1/4 mile and about 3-4MPH more at the end. Less traction yes, but a lot less weight too. That was my .02. Later,

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01-11-2001, 02:54 PM	#12 (permalink)
quikturbo Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: wheeling, IL Posts: 9	the talon/eclipe awd's are unbelievable to be in at launch, all four claws tryin to grab the cement. I have a '99 GS-T with larger turbo, full exhaust, air/fuel controller, all the goodies, soon to come a front mount intercooler. my car will run 12's no problem, low 12's with slicks. I am still a devoted mustang lover, but I do love my eclipse. To each their own. "My name is Chris, and I am a car addict " later everyone

01-11-2001, 11:39 PM	#13 (permalink)
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	QuikTurbo, your damn right the AWD is mind blowing on first gear. You don't know how many sunglasses I have lost on the back windows sill. But seriously, I went through 4 transmissions and 3 clutches (not count all the rest of the crap) in a 30 month lease. Think about this my stock AWD TSI ran 0-60MPH in 6.4sec. My new STOCK mustang GT runs that same 0-60 in 5.4sec. The TSI AWD has no guts after launch (stock) BTW, Joey one of my (and Try Me) good buddies would probably appreciate your ride more than anyone here. He has a 1997 Eclipse GST and managed to hit 14.6 this year (he was pretty happy about that). In Ottawa, there is this guy with a TSI AWD that runs 12s. His name is Pat Chang and license plate says V8KILR. You don't *** around with that SOB. Nice guy though. People look nasty in the states, attitude and crap. You guys should some up here this summer. Everybody. imports, V8, 911, Cudas, we all hag out and race together. ------------------ Lizard King - 00GT >> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE**(even air filter) stock. "I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors

01-12-2001, 01:33 PM	#14 (permalink)
quikturbo Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: wheeling, IL Posts: 9	hey Lizard, I have been pondering the thought of three cars to add to my collection. I am either going to buy a supra, was in a slightly modded one and almost crapped myself , a 2000 cobra. I am also going to find a notchback to mod heavily!!! That would be a great road trip to your town. My buddies GSX that has a fmic and the same mods as me ran a 12.2 et. his car is nuts.