Should a couple be allowed to clone a baby?

zepherman · 08-13-2002, 11:11 PM

I just read that a couple who cannot have children are thinking about cloning a baby girl with the mothers DNA. The couple has tried everything to get pregnant, but have failed. They dont want to adopt so they are thinking of cloning as a last resort.

What do you think. Should they be allowed to do this?

jj_jonathon · 08-13-2002, 11:17 PM

cloning is very controversial....but most people dont realize that this is the only way for it to be cloning...its not like multiplicity....you cant replicate people...you start from the beginning...but in this specific case...i think its better than using someone else's DNA and having a baby that is really not a part of you...

joe4speed · 08-13-2002, 11:49 PM

I think it would be a bad idea. Like that one movie said, Once it was found out they were a clone, there would be hatred for them, who knows how bad it would get, I wouldn't want my child to ever face that.

zepherman · 08-13-2002, 11:54 PM

Im shure it would be up to the family and the child as far as who they wanted to tell. In the article the couple were not releasing thier identity.

Shelby428cj · 08-14-2002, 12:06 AM

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Originally posted by joe4speed
I think it would be a bad idea. Like that one movie said, Once it was found out they were a clone, there would be hatred for them, who knows how bad it would get, I wouldn't want my child to ever face that.

I agree with joe4speed on this one the whole cloning thing freaks me out anyway just like genetic engineering!! Hey joe what movie is that off of !!!!!!!!

joe4speed · 08-14-2002, 12:08 AM

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Originally posted by Shelby428cj

I agree with joe4speed on this one the whole cloning thing freaks me out anyway just like genetic engineering!! Hey joe what movie is that off of !!!!!!!!

hmmmm Arnold Swarzenneger (sp???) was in it, but I can't think of the name!

Crazy Horse GT · 08-14-2002, 12:43 AM

imho, cloning is not natural, i think it's whacked, are they going to clone another hitler, or bin laden, it's just wrong, but that's just my opinion.

6T9PONY · 08-14-2002, 12:47 AM

Man, when a subject like this comes up you just gotta think of how the native Americans did it. If the chick couldn't get knocked up, life goes on. She just wouldn't have a kid.

Some people may not feel 'complete' without a child after they are married, but how 'complete' can something CLONED make a natural person feel?

I'll stop there.

Crazy Horse GT · 08-14-2002, 12:52 AM

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Originally posted by 6T9PONY
Man, when a subject like this comes up you just gotta think of how the native Americans did it. If the chick couldn't get knocked up, life goes on. She just wouldn't have a kid.

Some people may not feel 'complete' without a child after they are married, but how 'complete' can something CLONED make a natural person feel?

I'll stop there.

hey bud watch it talking about my native american's, im a card carrying member, just joking with ya ben, l8ter.

The Deuce · 08-14-2002, 02:13 AM

Why can't the couple have a baby? I mean you can piece together a singe egg with a single sperm and make a unique person that way. If those don't take, how will a clone take any better.

I'm sorry, but there is a limit to how much medicine can do to give people kids. I have no idea how much that would stink to be barren, but I'm not sure that a cloned kid would even take. And if it did, there would be a whole nother set of problems to deal with.

zepherman · 08-14-2002, 02:29 AM

I think the mothers eggs are the problem. They want to take a womans egg and remove its DNA and replace it with the mothers DNA.

69fastback · 08-14-2002, 03:05 AM

The movie is called the 6th day. It is a very good movie. I don't like cloning at all i think that it is creepy. People should not be allowed to do it. Just let life take its course.

Topless In Texas · 08-14-2002, 03:15 AM

IMO....babies are something I never thought about cloning...now MY DOGS....ID CLONE THEM IN A NEW YORK MINUTE!!!!!!!!! They are getting up in age now..my oldest is turning 11 in january and I CANT LIVE with the thought of being w/out my dogs.!!!!!!!!! I had them since before my daughter was born, and when and IF they EVER die, ,you might as well bury me next to them, in my car.......they are my babies! I've noticed my older female slowing down wanting to be 'alone'. I cant imagine waking up with out her in my face! I know this is not the same thing as cloning kids, but, i would clone my dogs in a HEARTBEAT! If I could have more years of happiness w./ them! TNT

Mr 5 0 · 08-14-2002, 08:38 AM

Cloning human beings is a foolish idea.

First, I doubt it's anywhere as 'simple' as some reports make it sound and I have to assume there are many failures and complications - if the process is even ultimately successful.

I won't even delve into the moral applications and the repugnant idea of fallible human beings 'playing God' but it all sounds rather Frankenstein-like. Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should. i.e. Nuclear bombs, Anthrax, giving Anna Nicolle Smith a TV show, things like that seem to go against nature.

Adoption is always available and the selfishness of couples who insist on having 'their' child is somewhat understandable but that doesn't mean they have to be indulged at any cost. Not all science is beneficial and cloning looks like a scientific, moral and medical can of worms when human beings are the subject.

I vote no.

Dark_5.0 · 08-14-2002, 08:40 AM

LMAO............Cloning people is ilegal, So I dont see how they would be allowed to do it.

Topless In Texas · 08-14-2002, 08:44 AM

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Originally posted by Mr 5 0
giving Anna Nicolle Smith a TV show, things like that seem to go against nature.

I vote no.

LOL! Ya, Now THATS one talented individual~!!!!!!!! LOL! NOT!

Good point!

TNT

Dark_5.0 · 08-14-2002, 08:57 AM

There is nothing wrong with anna nicole smith.........

RPM427 · 08-14-2002, 11:00 AM

We are a ways away from being able to clone a human. Just recently a scientist was able to clone an embro that will eventually be used for stem cells. I think it only got to the 6 cell state then stopped. This technology can be used to repair damaged nerve cells that will enable paralyzed people to walk again (it has been done in rats with amazing results). Also organs can be reapired or transplated. This technology might even hold the cure to cancer. Millions of people will benifit form this technology. I think once we can do it, many people will support it once they know the benifits. Most people know someone or has a frind that might have an illness that can be fixed with this technology. The ONLY reason I can see for some people to opose this, is if they have deep religous beliefs.

induction · 08-14-2002, 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by Mr 5 0

I won't even delve into the moral applications and the repugnant idea of fallible human beings 'playing God' but it all sounds rather Frankenstein-like.

Adoption is always available and the selfishness of couples who insist on having 'their' child is somewhat understandable but that doesn't mean they have to be indulged at any cost.

BTW what would a shallow and selfish couple do If they were allowed to cloan and ended up with a # 4 (Multipilcity) ?

Dark_5.0 · 08-14-2002, 12:18 PM

I watched that movie just the other day #4 was the ummm......"mentaly challenged one"

There are more natural ways to have kids. cloning would take all the fun out of it.

08-13-2002, 11:11 PM	#1
zepherman Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Oklahoma City OK USA Posts: 236	Should a couple be allowed to clone a baby? I just read that a couple who cannot have children are thinking about cloning a baby girl with the mothers DNA. The couple has tried everything to get pregnant, but have failed. They dont want to adopt so they are thinking of cloning as a last resort. What do you think. Should they be allowed to do this? __________________ 90 GT 25th Anni. Did the AOD to T-5 swap, SPEC clutch, Steeda Tri-Ax shifter, BBK 2½ inch off-road H pipe, Flows, BBK 70mm TB/EGR, Ford Racing aluminim driveshaft, 3.55's, welded subframes, Ram Air, 3 core radiator, NOS dry kit 75 shot, and a K&N filter. 12.9 @ 108

08-13-2002, 11:17 PM	#2
jj_jonathon Trisket Join Date: May 2002 Location: University of Florida, FL Posts: ½ Posts: 1,560	cloning is very controversial....but most people dont realize that this is the only way for it to be cloning...its not like multiplicity....you cant replicate people...you start from the beginning...but in this specific case...i think its better than using someone else's DNA and having a baby that is really not a part of you... __________________ University of Florida - Physics Major My 02GT vert Media Center Pics BBK Underdrive Pulleys \| K&N FIPK (Gen II) \| Bullet Grille \| Mach 1 Chin Spoiler \| UPR Interior Parts \| XM Radio \| Audiobahn Subs Ricer Hater's Club Member #1/2 (30) http://www.ricehatersclub.com/

08-13-2002, 11:49 PM	#3
joe4speed He said Member...heh, heh Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Jupiter, Florida U.S.A. Posts: 3,718	I think it would be a bad idea. Like that one movie said, Once it was found out they were a clone, there would be hatred for them, who knows how bad it would get, I wouldn't want my child to ever face that. __________________ *Joe!* 1988 GT, 13.58@101mph Check out my listing! Click here! Or my website:www.joe4speed.com

08-14-2002, 12:43 AM	#7
Crazy Horse GT Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sale Creek, TN. C. S. A. Posts: 4,652	imho, cloning is not natural, i think it's whacked, are they going to clone another hitler, or bin laden, it's just wrong, but that's just my opinion. __________________ 95 gt vert, lot's of stuff, it aint slow. 04 sonic blue v - six my beater 89 rs camaro iroc turbo hood, other stuff, my wifes ride 84 lx stang cammed up 289 hi po, etc 65 falcon, maybe by the year 2020. black 00gt, gone but never forgotten. R H C- member # 1 o.b.c. da prez- member # 1 if your under 40 dont ask. goodbye for now odie,r.i.p. 11-27-03

08-14-2002, 02:13 AM	#10
The Deuce Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,325	Why can't the couple have a baby? I mean you can piece together a singe egg with a single sperm and make a unique person that way. If those don't take, how will a clone take any better. I'm sorry, but there is a limit to how much medicine can do to give people kids. I have no idea how much that would stink to be barren, but I'm not sure that a cloned kid would even take. And if it did, there would be a whole nother set of problems to deal with. __________________ 1997 Mustang GT "The Freak" - 13.80 @ 101.70, 2.07 60' 1995 Honda VFR750 - not much @ really fast (actual data pending.) 1964.5 Mustang 289 Rice Haters Club Member #13

08-13-2002, 11:54 PM	#4
zepherman Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Oklahoma City OK USA Posts: 236	Im shure it would be up to the family and the child as far as who they wanted to tell. In the article the couple were not releasing thier identity. __________________ 90 GT 25th Anni. Did the AOD to T-5 swap, SPEC clutch, Steeda Tri-Ax shifter, BBK 2½ inch off-road H pipe, Flows, BBK 70mm TB/EGR, Ford Racing aluminim driveshaft, 3.55's, welded subframes, Ram Air, 3 core radiator, NOS dry kit 75 shot, and a K&N filter. 12.9 @ 108

08-14-2002, 12:47 AM	#8
6T9PONY All about the Windsor. Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 2,052	Man, when a subject like this comes up you just gotta think of how the native Americans did it. If the chick couldn't get knocked up, life goes on. She just wouldn't have a kid. Some people may not feel 'complete' without a child after they are married, but how 'complete' can something CLONED make a natural person feel? I'll stop there.

08-14-2002, 02:29 AM	#11
zepherman Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Oklahoma City OK USA Posts: 236	I think the mothers eggs are the problem. They want to take a womans egg and remove its DNA and replace it with the mothers DNA. __________________ 90 GT 25th Anni. Did the AOD to T-5 swap, SPEC clutch, Steeda Tri-Ax shifter, BBK 2½ inch off-road H pipe, Flows, BBK 70mm TB/EGR, Ford Racing aluminim driveshaft, 3.55's, welded subframes, Ram Air, 3 core radiator, NOS dry kit 75 shot, and a K&N filter. 12.9 @ 108

08-14-2002, 03:05 AM	#12
69fastback IRAQ VET Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: high desert California Posts: 1,480	The movie is called the 6th day. It is a very good movie. I don't like cloning at all i think that it is creepy. People should not be allowed to do it. Just let life take its course. __________________ 428 Cobra Jet SOHC 5.4 3V F-150 96 mystic cobra 91 GT

08-14-2002, 03:15 AM	#13
Topless In Texas Not broken anymore! Join Date: May 2001 Location: La Porte, TEXASS :) Posts: 1,963	IMO IMO....babies are something I never thought about cloning...now MY DOGS....ID CLONE THEM IN A NEW YORK MINUTE!!!!!!!!! They are getting up in age now..my oldest is turning 11 in january and I CANT LIVE with the thought of being w/out my dogs.!!!!!!!!! I had them since before my daughter was born, and when and IF they EVER die, ,you might as well bury me next to them, in my car.......they are my babies! I've noticed my older female slowing down wanting to be 'alone'. I cant imagine waking up with out her in my face! I know this is not the same thing as cloning kids, but, i would clone my dogs in a HEARTBEAT! If I could have more years of happiness w./ them! TNT __________________ R.I.P. my Kinde..Jan. 19,1992-Aug. 22, 2003. Shes Cruisin' doggie heaven in a Blown Verte or a GTO!!! 2005 ROUSH GT Verte SuperStallions of the Net Feature, May 2002 RICE HATERS CLUB MEMBER #38!! O.B.C #5..thank you!! I feel so priveledged!! BONE STOCK~ Hell, its a ROUSH!

08-14-2002, 08:38 AM	#14
Mr 5 0 Conservative Individualist Join Date: May 1997 Location: Wherever I need to be Posts: 7,487	Clone me a baby, dear. Pleeeease. Cloning human beings is a foolish idea. First, I doubt it's anywhere as 'simple' as some reports make it sound and I have to assume there are many failures and complications - if the process is even ultimately successful. I won't even delve into the moral applications and the repugnant idea of fallible human beings 'playing God' but it all sounds rather Frankenstein-like. Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should. i.e. Nuclear bombs, Anthrax, giving Anna Nicolle Smith a TV show, things like that seem to go against nature. Adoption is always available and the selfishness of couples who insist on having 'their' child is somewhat understandable but that doesn't mean they have to be indulged at any cost. Not all science is beneficial and cloning looks like a scientific, moral and medical can of worms when human beings are the subject. I vote no.

08-14-2002, 08:40 AM	#15
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	LMAO............Cloning people is ilegal, So I dont see how they would be allowed to do it. __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

08-14-2002, 08:57 AM	#17
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	There is nothing wrong with anna nicole smith......... __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

08-14-2002, 11:00 AM	#18
RPM427 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Huntington NY Posts: 573	We are a ways away from being able to clone a human. Just recently a scientist was able to clone an embro that will eventually be used for stem cells. I think it only got to the 6 cell state then stopped. This technology can be used to repair damaged nerve cells that will enable paralyzed people to walk again (it has been done in rats with amazing results). Also organs can be reapired or transplated. This technology might even hold the cure to cancer. Millions of people will benifit form this technology. I think once we can do it, many people will support it once they know the benifits. Most people know someone or has a frind that might have an illness that can be fixed with this technology. The ONLY reason I can see for some people to opose this, is if they have deep religous beliefs. __________________ -1993 Mustang, 900rwhp 03-04 cobra based 4v swap, full Griggs setup, project underway -1994 Ranger w/ 427cid windsor (daily beater) check it out!

08-14-2002, 12:18 PM	#20
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	I watched that movie just the other day #4 was the ummm......"mentaly challenged one" There are more natural ways to have kids. cloning would take all the fun out of it. __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

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