Old muscle wants a go!

04-09-2001, 05:24 PM

A buddy of mine w/ a really sweet early 70's Chevelle 454 wants to rumble this coming weekend. The car is awesome looking. Huge engine, gobs and gobs of hp/torque.....but I'm thinking he's way too heavy to hang. What do they run? Am I crazy?

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'90 LX 5.0; 12K original miles (no sh*&); 3.55 gears; pulleys; Edelbrock Performer Heads;
BBK shorties; MSD 6AL ignition system; Motorsport E303 cam; 75 MAF; 70 TB; Eibach spring kit;
Southside sub-connectors; K&N cone filter charger; Hurst shifter; fiberglass cowl hood; A/C-less;
rear seat-less; cat-less; Flomasters; Corbeau racing seats (fronts); 12.513 @ 108 mph

HemiBoo · 04-09-2001, 05:59 PM

it's never crazy to run someone-well depends where its at. Run him anyways, even if you do get beat at least it was by an American muscle not a ricer.

Ty'97Cobra · 04-09-2001, 08:21 PM

I ran a W-25 Olds 442 (455 ci) with the LX when it was new. It was bone stock also. He had a rebuilt motor and mild cam. I got him off the line but he caught and passed me in 2nd...

Run em and let us know what happens!

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1997 Black Cobra Convertible. #2788 of 3088
Mostly Stock - Vortech Anyone?
1988 5.0 LX Convertible -Work Car...Few Mods.

MrWesson22 · 04-09-2001, 10:16 PM

A 71 chevelle ss 454 should weigh around 3800lbs with a TH400. Assuming you weigh around 3200, that's a 600lb advantage, which is around .6 in the 1/4. If you both had the same traction, he would need an additional 60hp to make up the weight difference. It should be close... will depend on what kind of mods, both engine and suspension he has. If it's a built 454, you can forget it.

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Neal

69 stang
351C/4sp

Fostang · 04-09-2001, 11:43 PM

Go for it man. I beat one of those chevelles without the bottle. It was also sweet looking and no hood on it. It should be a fun race

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67'fastback- Edelbrock carb, intake, cam, valve springs. Road lifters, Comp Cam rocker arms, windage tray, cerama coated headers, dual flows with H-pipe, modded c-4, tci stall converter, perma cool electric fan, aluminum water pump, griffen aluminum radiator, accel 8.8 cable, wide cap distriburator, magnetic pick up, manley valves, v-matic hurst shifter, edelbrock performer nitrous, carter electric fuel pump, ignitor coil, solid motor mounts, magna racing suspension, poly urathane bushings, und

Tony Frank · 04-10-2001, 01:13 AM

When my stang was stock i ran a chevelle, and i beat him, this was at the strip, im not sure what he had in it, i dont think it was built. but it was on my best run of the night. but run him and good luck

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1985 Mustang GT 15,000 original miles, cam, intake, headers, carb, windage tray, you know the goodies

silver_pilate · 04-10-2001, 11:48 AM

Ran a buddy of mine in his Studebaker with a modded 440 Olds. I got him off the line just a bit, but he walked me steadily after 2nd gear.

Of course, that is still while breathing through the stock intake track and headers. I've got a 76mm MAF waiting to go on with an aluminum inlet tube. The rest will have to come later. I'm very strapped for cash right now. I think after I finish it out, I can beat him.

--nathan

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--silver_pilate

'91 GT, Built 306, Wolverine 1087 cam, ported Windsor Jr. Irons, and all the goodies...click the link to the left to see a full list of my mods...

Tried and True 302 Being Built to Outrun You! heh heh heh...
--Texas Panhandle--
Check out my site

Rev · 04-10-2001, 03:44 PM

MrWesson22, according to AMERICAN MUSCLE, by Randy Leffingwell, A Yenko 1969 Chevelle witch had an iron block 427 weighed 4100. Admittedly, this was an after market job that still ran 12 sec. 1/4's at 118. My only point here is the 4100 lbs. I realize we're talking about a 454 here.

Rev

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'66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph
1/4 mi.

69fastback · 04-11-2001, 09:47 AM

a friend of mine had the a chevelle just like that and it ran 13.6 pretty much stock. So it looks like he has to have a few mods to make up that second u should have on him.

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69 428 cobra jet: tons of mods.
97 f-150 5.4 xlt mark III
BUCKLE UP. SUCK IT IN.
Objects in the mirror are about to disappear...
QUICKLY!!!!!!

lx mike · 04-11-2001, 08:58 PM

No your not crazy, unless he has some mods and more important some wide rubber in back you should be able to beat him, sound like a good race let us know when it goes down

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93-LX: 5 Speed, Flow's with H-Pipe, 3.73's Sub's and K&N.

Nitrous Al · 04-11-2001, 09:18 PM

1mintlx, You're gonna kick his a$$! His big block torque will just melt his tires down. It will spin and fishtail while you put at least 3-4 car lengthes.

04-13-2001, 01:21 PM

Tonight, it's go-time! And, another friend, in his turbo-CRX wants winner. I'll keep you all posted.

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'90 LX 5.0; 12K original miles (no sh*&); 3.55 gears; pulleys;Edelbrock Performer Heads; BBK shorties; MSD 6AL box w/ blaster 2 coil; Motorsport E303 cam; Pro-M 75mm MAF; BBK 70mm TB; Eibach spring kit; Southside sub-connectors; K&N cone filter charger; Hurst shifter; fiberglass cowl hood; A/C-less; rear seat-less; cat-less; Flomasters; Corbeau racing seats (fronts); 30# injectors; 190 lb pump; FPR
12.513 @ 108 mph (pre-inj/fuel pmp/FPR)

04-13-2001, 02:27 PM

I'll i've got to say it's wow, you've got most of the racing types in there, die hard muscle car, late 5.0, and import. That ought to be an interesting match.

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'84 Mustang 5.0 T5, FMS aluminum radiator & 180* thermostat, 1 5/8 shortys/2.5" duals, '88 GT tail lights and wheels, Holley 4160 4 BBL, smog pump idler, now with hi-po collapsed lifters in #3 or #4

04-16-2001, 01:18 PM

Nitrous Al was right...my buddies Chevelle was doing too much spinning, not enough driving. By the time I banged it into 2nd, I was about 2 cars ahead. I spun a little, but no more than usual. The Chevelle was all over the place in 1st - I was surprised since the thing ways over 4000 lbs. He never gained an inch....I finished at 2 cars ahead. Which leads me to believe it would've been a photo finish had we got off the same time. As for the CRX...........can you say NO SHOW! Well, anyway, my stangs off the road for the next week - it's intake, 30# inj, 190 lb fp and FPR time! Speak to you real soon w/ some new kill stories to honk our horns about.

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'90 LX 5.0; 12K original miles (no sh*&); 3.55 gears; pulleys;Edelbrock Performer Heads; BBK shorties; MSD 6AL box w/ blaster 2 coil; Motorsport E303 cam; Pro-M 75mm MAF; BBK 70mm TB; Eibach spring kit; Southside sub-connectors; K&N cone filter charger; Hurst shifter; fiberglass cowl hood; A/C-less; rear seat-less; cat-less; Flomasters; Corbeau racing seats (fronts);
30# injectors; 190 lb fp FPR; TFS Twisted Wedge Intake 12.513 @ 108 mph (Pre-inj/fuelpump/FPR/ intake)

04-09-2001, 05:24 PM	#1
1mintlx Guest Posts: n/a	Old muscle wants a go! A buddy of mine w/ a really sweet early 70's Chevelle 454 wants to rumble this coming weekend. The car is awesome looking. Huge engine, gobs and gobs of hp/torque.....but I'm thinking he's way too heavy to hang. What do they run? Am I crazy? ------------------ '90 LX 5.0; 12K original miles (no sh*&); 3.55 gears; pulleys; Edelbrock Performer Heads; BBK shorties; MSD 6AL ignition system; Motorsport E303 cam; 75 MAF; 70 TB; Eibach spring kit; Southside sub-connectors; K&N cone filter charger; Hurst shifter; fiberglass cowl hood; A/C-less; rear seat-less; cat-less; Flomasters; Corbeau racing seats (fronts); 12.513 @ 108 mph

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04-09-2001, 05:59 PM	#2
HemiBoo Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Columbia,SC, US of A Posts: 37	it's never crazy to run someone-well depends where its at. Run him anyways, even if you do get beat at least it was by an American muscle not a ricer.

04-09-2001, 08:21 PM	#3
Ty'97Cobra Registered Member Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: NC Posts: 308	I ran a W-25 Olds 442 (455 ci) with the LX when it was new. It was bone stock also. He had a rebuilt motor and mild cam. I got him off the line but he caught and passed me in 2nd... Run em and let us know what happens! ------------------ 1997 Black Cobra Convertible. #2788 of 3088 Mostly Stock - Vortech Anyone? 1988 5.0 LX Convertible -Work Car...Few Mods.

04-09-2001, 10:16 PM	#4
MrWesson22 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Dacula, GA Posts: 73	A 71 chevelle ss 454 should weigh around 3800lbs with a TH400. Assuming you weigh around 3200, that's a 600lb advantage, which is around .6 in the 1/4. If you both had the same traction, he would need an additional 60hp to make up the weight difference. It should be close... will depend on what kind of mods, both engine and suspension he has. If it's a built 454, you can forget it. ------------------ Neal 69 stang 351C/4sp

04-09-2001, 11:43 PM	#5
Fostang Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Stockton, Ca Posts: 599	Go for it man. I beat one of those chevelles without the bottle. It was also sweet looking and no hood on it. It should be a fun race ------------------ 67'fastback- Edelbrock carb, intake, cam, valve springs. Road lifters, Comp Cam rocker arms, windage tray, cerama coated headers, dual flows with H-pipe, modded c-4, tci stall converter, perma cool electric fan, aluminum water pump, griffen aluminum radiator, accel 8.8 cable, wide cap distriburator, magnetic pick up, manley valves, v-matic hurst shifter, edelbrock performer nitrous, carter electric fuel pump, ignitor coil, solid motor mounts, magna racing suspension, poly urathane bushings, und

04-10-2001, 01:13 AM	#6
Tony Frank Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Brooklyn originally, but Grand Rapids now Posts: 309	When my stang was stock i ran a chevelle, and i beat him, this was at the strip, im not sure what he had in it, i dont think it was built. but it was on my best run of the night. but run him and good luck ------------------ 1985 Mustang GT 15,000 original miles, cam, intake, headers, carb, windage tray, you know the goodies

04-10-2001, 11:48 AM	#7
silver_pilate DURKA DURKA!! Join Date: Sep 1997 Location: Lubbock, TX...(TX panhandle) Posts: 1,418	Ran a buddy of mine in his Studebaker with a modded 440 Olds. I got him off the line just a bit, but he walked me steadily after 2nd gear. Of course, that is still while breathing through the stock intake track and headers. I've got a 76mm MAF waiting to go on with an aluminum inlet tube. The rest will have to come later. I'm very strapped for cash right now. I think after I finish it out, I can beat him. --nathan ------------------ --silver_pilate '91 GT, Built 306, Wolverine 1087 cam, ported Windsor Jr. Irons, and all the goodies...click the link to the left to see a full list of my mods... Tried and True 302 Being Built to Outrun You! heh heh heh... --Texas Panhandle-- Check out my site

04-10-2001, 03:44 PM	#8
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	MrWesson22, according to AMERICAN MUSCLE, by Randy Leffingwell, A Yenko 1969 Chevelle witch had an iron block 427 weighed 4100. Admittedly, this was an after market job that still ran 12 sec. 1/4's at 118. My only point here is the 4100 lbs. I realize we're talking about a 454 here. Rev ------------------ '66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph 1/4 mi.

04-11-2001, 09:47 AM	#9
69fastback IRAQ VET Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: high desert California Posts: 1,480	a friend of mine had the a chevelle just like that and it ran 13.6 pretty much stock. So it looks like he has to have a few mods to make up that second u should have on him. ------------------ 69 428 cobra jet: tons of mods. 97 f-150 5.4 xlt mark III BUCKLE UP. SUCK IT IN. Objects in the mirror are about to disappear... QUICKLY!!!!!!

04-11-2001, 08:58 PM	#10
lx mike Undescribable Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Ft Myers Fla Posts: 1,539	No your not crazy, unless he has some mods and more important some wide rubber in back you should be able to beat him, sound like a good race let us know when it goes down ------------------ 93-LX: 5 Speed, Flow's with H-Pipe, 3.73's Sub's and K&N.

04-11-2001, 09:18 PM	#11
Nitrous Al Registered Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Everett, MA Posts: 417	1mintlx, You're gonna kick his a$$! His big block torque will just melt his tires down. It will spin and fishtail while you put at least 3-4 car lengthes.

04-13-2001, 01:21 PM	#12
1mintlx Guest Posts: n/a	Tonight, it's go-time! And, another friend, in his turbo-CRX wants winner. I'll keep you all posted. ------------------ '90 LX 5.0; 12K original miles (no sh*&); 3.55 gears; pulleys;Edelbrock Performer Heads; BBK shorties; MSD 6AL box w/ blaster 2 coil; Motorsport E303 cam; Pro-M 75mm MAF; BBK 70mm TB; Eibach spring kit; Southside sub-connectors; K&N cone filter charger; Hurst shifter; fiberglass cowl hood; A/C-less; rear seat-less; cat-less; Flomasters; Corbeau racing seats (fronts); 30# injectors; 190 lb pump; FPR 12.513 @ 108 mph (pre-inj/fuel pmp/FPR)

04-13-2001, 02:27 PM	#13
84stangLX Guest Posts: n/a	I'll i've got to say it's wow, you've got most of the racing types in there, die hard muscle car, late 5.0, and import. That ought to be an interesting match. ------------------ '84 Mustang 5.0 T5, FMS aluminum radiator & 180* thermostat, 1 5/8 shortys/2.5" duals, '88 GT tail lights and wheels, Holley 4160 4 BBL, smog pump idler, now with hi-po collapsed lifters in #3 or #4

04-16-2001, 01:18 PM	#14
1mintlx Guest Posts: n/a	Nitrous Al was right...my buddies Chevelle was doing too much spinning, not enough driving. By the time I banged it into 2nd, I was about 2 cars ahead. I spun a little, but no more than usual. The Chevelle was all over the place in 1st - I was surprised since the thing ways over 4000 lbs. He never gained an inch....I finished at 2 cars ahead. Which leads me to believe it would've been a photo finish had we got off the same time. As for the CRX...........can you say NO SHOW! Well, anyway, my stangs off the road for the next week - it's intake, 30# inj, 190 lb fp and FPR time! Speak to you real soon w/ some new kill stories to honk our horns about. ------------------ '90 LX 5.0; 12K original miles (no sh*&); 3.55 gears; pulleys;Edelbrock Performer Heads; BBK shorties; MSD 6AL box w/ blaster 2 coil; Motorsport E303 cam; Pro-M 75mm MAF; BBK 70mm TB; Eibach spring kit; Southside sub-connectors; K&N cone filter charger; Hurst shifter; fiberglass cowl hood; A/C-less; rear seat-less; cat-less; Flomasters; Corbeau racing seats (fronts); 30# injectors; 190 lb fp FPR; TFS Twisted Wedge Intake 12.513 @ 108 mph (Pre-inj/fuelpump/FPR/ intake)