What do you guys think a quick street car should run?
 

What ET do you guys feel determines the title of a "quick" daily driven street car?

When I mean daily driven, I mean something like you could get caught in the rain (but rather not), go to the store to grab some things/groceries, drive to work, hang with the boys, not trailer to the track, take the gal to dinner and catch a race on the way back.

Lets hear your opinions and vote in the poll! :)

Well my Mustang is easily street driven, gets 20+ mpg, but I hate driving the roll cage daily, so I cant say its a nice daily driver. But it goes low 12's on motor and probably low 11's on the spray.

On the other hand, the merkur will have everything, A/C, no gutting, catalytic converter, and it should go low 13's on the street getting 30mpg.

SKyler

I voted for 13.0-13.5. I think anything in the mid to low 13's is fast. A few more bolt-ons and a car that fast is almost as fast as the new cobras. That's just my opinion though, Keith

This question has been asked an answered over in the Blue Oval Lounge. Here is the link for that

what do you consider fast?

I know it says 'fast' and not 'quick', but there are answers to 'quick' in there too.

If you run anywhere in the 13's you will win way more than you lose.

15's is peppy
14's is fun to drive
13's and faster is a quick street car IMO.

I just went and read that thread and it's similar, but not the same as what I'm looking for here.

I voted 11.0-11.5. Anything that is just plain fast and can be driven anywhere is my idea of a fast street car.

Daniel.

You think an 11.2 car could drive 45 minutes across town to take mom to the Dr.? You think you could drive it back and forth to work 5 days a week for 3 or 4 months (this is taking into account one would think an 11.2 car would need high octane race fuel)?

Lets work this out. To get a full bodied car down the 1320 in 11.2 you'd need what 650 bhp with 4.11's? Lets assume the car is fairly light, say a 67 Mustang weighing in at 3000 even with a little gas and a driver.

Now my buddies '32 makes that with its 427sohc nascar motor. (On pump gas:D )Sure it has a couple of Don Zig Mags, and 1400cfm's worth of Edlebrock on it, but that motor would technically fit into a 68.

So we have the motor taken care of, but with 4.11's who wants to drive that around on the street? Solution, run it through the tremec T-56, with its .5 overdrive 6th gear. That takes a nice chunk out to the 4.11's on the highway. Heck, it would even be useful with all that power.

Sure there are some little traction issues, but some decent suspension (traction bars, etc) and some ET streets (or DR's and a prayer) would make the car driveable. I've seen some of the tires he has for the deuce, and he can keep them hooked up.

It would be one bad arse '68, but it should meet all your requirements. Question, Sky's car minus the cage is fine, and should hit your mark on the juice. Does that count too? Or is that cheating?

i know a couple of bankers that have new 911 turbos as their daily drivers.........what do those runs, 11's???

i've sat in them and they seem pretty damn comfortable and fairly docile in downtown work traffic

Low 12's from the ones I've seen at the track, but turn up the boost....

No, the go-go juice shouldn't count. I don't consider that power adder a part of your typically quick daily driver. When I mean daily driver I'm talking about the same type of driving you typically see with the car you use on a daily basis with the same type of care and maintenance. NOS for power requires constant fill-ups after several uses. Something your wife wouldn't be interested in keeping up with. That's outside the boundaries of simple oil changes and gas fill ups.

I suppose I should have included a detailed description of "daily driver" to include the type of maintenance and care you'd give your typical 4 cyl Grand Am. That would be the occaisional stop at the car wash, 3000 mile oil change and regular stops for gas. It would be a car you'd put 12,000-15,000 miles a year on, pick up the kids from school, go to the mall, pick up mom at the airport 45 minutes away, go back and forth to work and sit in rush hour traffic and is (what you'd consider) quick at the stop-light-wars that would ensue in the mean time. That to me is your regular quick daily driver.

I don't care if you consider this a Delorean, '69 Mach I, Porche 911 turbo, or Chevrolet Safari satation wagon. I'm not going to get into the type of car one chooses but it'd need to be a daily driver one would live with as described above. If you think you could do all that with the car you outlined, then that's the car you choose.

Simple? Let's hear it!....

I vote 13.0 as a quick street car.

Yeah low 13s is fast for a daily driver. Thats what im planning to run with my grocery getter. All year around. Rain, snow, whatever! :)

See there is advantages not have low end power! ;)

Dean, then I guess my car doesn't fit your descriptioin. Sorry, but I am much more anal about my Mustang. It is my daily driver, and no I wouldn't consider the amount of time I would spend under the hood of a big block to be a whole lot more than under the hood of my car. I'm always tinkering and playing with stuff. That's what makes me a car guy, so yeah, I wouldn't mind being stuck with the car I described.

Oh, I can appreciate that completelyl. I really don't have what I described myself but just wanted everyone's opinion. My GN and TTA are not daily drivers but occasional nice day touring machines. They could be, but I don't need to use'em like that. They live the good life. Though now I'm gathering ideas on how to make my TTA a 12.0 second streetable daily driver and it can be done and no one would know the difference.

Anyway.....

My car does low 13's, I drive it daily from march to november and there's still plenty of faster cars out there, I vote for 12.0-12.5.
Another question, does it have to run these times with the same tires you daily drive on? If so, that puts my car back to the high 13's.

I don't care as long as it is faster than the rice burners around hear:D

I run 12.5's in my car with no maintenace other then oil change and many many brake pads. I drive it year round and put about 40K a year on the vette's always have. sad thing is it's not supposed to be my daily driver my SHO is, and I intend to drive it but walk into the garage and see the Vette well. 40K a year is the result of that.

I use the same tires that came on the car, (RunFlats), change the oil every 3000 miles, get 30 mpg on long trips where I average 90mph and listen to any CD I want in A/C comfort. Thats a pretty good daily driver for my tastes. Oh and I can flip a switch anytime I want and run mid 11's not bad:)

Jeez Dude! What's your daily commute...200 miles?!?! Didn't know that Carmel, IN was that big? lol :D

E

Yes. A "specialty tire" such as a drag radial only for the track wouldn't qualify as my opinion as a daily driver you'd get caught in the rain with, take mom to the airport 45 minutes away etc. It'd be a car you'd drive to/from work daily, put 12,000-15-.000 miles on yearly and do nothing but regular maintenance, regular fill-ups of gasonline and occasional car washes/vacuums.

LOL, I take alot of trips to Cincy, Columbus, Chicago, Cleveland, Carlisle Pa. Plus I lived about 40 miles from work. not to mention I street race every Fri and sat night weather permiting and usually put on a good 150 miles onm those night's.

When I am off work and the wifes working I usually hit the back roads and sometimes end up a long way from home. It's too much fun to drive , can't just let it sit there looking pretty:)

I'm going to have to say aquaman is right, i'd say a new Corvette is a quick (actually.....fast) street car that can be pretty much driven year round (except maybe during snow and ice).

Don't Corvettes have traction control that you can turn on and off?

I'd also say the new Cobras fit that description as well.

Mid to low 13s
 

My vote: daily driver....mid to low 13s. For my "fast daily driver" I'd take a BMW 745i. :) The ultimate driving machine. Would always keep a Stang in the garage though! :)

Jennifer
aka Jane of all Trades

I agree with red82.....

you think an 8lbs of s-trim would make me a fast street car?:D way i see it, when you get down to the low 12's, your gonna have traction problems without slicks, therefor on the streets you can actually be slower than the next 13.0 car due to traction loss.

My friend had a coupe that ran a forged 347 carbed motor, still had a/c, and started up everyday, i wouldnt say it got the best mileage with the double pumper, but he would drive to the coast every so often (3 hr drive), and run 12.0's with d.o.t's on the weekends, now is no longer streetable.

also another vote for a c5 and new cobra.

20LbsBoost you seem to be making a lot of rules for this stuff. No N2O, no sticky tires.

As for N2O, it sure as hell does count. I plan on building my motor for a 250hp shot (Not my 2.3). Just because I have to fill a bottle up doesn't mean it doesn't count. I can use it on the the street just as easy as I can on the the track. I don't see how N2O can be called "cheating" it does the EXACT same thing as a turbo or a blower, it adds more O2 into the cylinder. It just does it a different way. Just because it's in a bottle doesn't make it cheating.

I know MANY people who take their dailey drivers to the track with a pair of slicks or drag radials in the back.

Exactly. Basically, anything he doesn't do is not allowed.

Now don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say sticky tires wouldn't be used on a daily driver. I said "A "specialty tire" such as a drag radial only for the track wouldn't qualify in my opinion as a daily driver you'd get caught in the rain with" Let me emphasize "only on the track". If you drive your car every day with a drag radial and feel comfortable driving it in a downpour at the posted speed limit then that would fit my definition of a daily driven street tire....see what I mean?

As far as NOS not fitting my deifinition of a daily driven street set-up here goes; What's required of a daily driven factory stock Ford Taurus or leased S-10 pickup? Gas, oil and filter changes...you know, standard regular maintenance. NOS is an add-on requiring special attention over and above that of any other car on the road. Having to stop every hundred miles for gasoline is normal for all cars, stopping for NOS fill-ups IS NOT, so that's out.

This shouldn't be complicated. Just compare what you do to a standard Ford Econoline van and use that as the definition of "daily driver". Just look at what your neighbor drives to work and what type of attention that requires to go to-and-fro...that's it, easy enough.

NOS, non DOT drag slicks and other special add-ons or tweaks that you NEED in order to run 12.1's (to me) isn't considered a daily driver set-up. Nuff said....

This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. The perfect definition of a daily driver! :D

Now that was cheap ;) I already said I don't have a car that fits into my own descriptions of "daily driver". What else do you want? They don't my definition since I won't drive either of my cars in the rain, snow or salt.

There is a big difference between a leased 4 banger S-10 and a person's beloved stang. People are willing to go a little farther for a special car. My neighbor washes his truck with dish-soap and a dirty rag. Does that mean that I shouldn't take 2 hours detailing mine?

N2O requires special attention?, your talking about a 10 minute stop once every week or two. Wouldn't that cool down time for your turbo be "special attention"?

One of my friends has a 150hp shot on his Firebird. It is his dailey driver, he has no other car. When he sprays a guy, he just whooped him in his dailey driver. So YES N2O DOES count.

Shouldn't the definition of a dailey driver be......oh I don't know....the car you drive everyday?:confused:

Does 20lbsofboost even have an interest in Mustangs...No:mad:

Why are you even on this board! Why don't you go post on thirdgen.org or some GM board!:mad:

my idea of a quick street car is my nova. I can drive it around on the street with no problems and still run mid to low 10's at the track.

Let's look at these thoughtful and friendly questions one by one;

Yes.

I know most Mustang owners are nice and welcome diverse views.

This board has (or had) more class than the thirdgen.org board.

I thought this board was for car buffs and open to all. I admittedly don't own a Mustang, however I realize they're one of America's premeire muscle cars with a legendary history. I've always enjoyed the Grand National/Mustang rivalry which began in the mid 1980's. I've openly stated none of my cars are "king of the street" and would be a mistake to think otherwise. I don't think I've been rude, insulting or confrontational and have been complimented by many on this board as being level-headed and logical in my discussions. If anyone else feels I've been out of line please sound off. If you don't agree with my opinions that's expected but saying I'm not welcome here is a bit shallow minded.

Thanks for playing,

Lets not confuse the issue here. It's what a daily driver is, not cleanliness, type of cosmetic care, style or choice of car.

- Agreed, there's a huge difference between the beloved Mustang and an S-10, but not in the definition of "daily driver".

- NOS requires a "10 minute stop" which sets it apart from any standard run-of-the-mill car's ability to get moving. Lets not blur the lines.

- I'm not familiar with a "cool down time" and have never used it on any of my cars, anytime. If a power adder requires that "cool down time" in the stop light wars then that's not what I'd consider a quick daily driver either.

In my opinion if you answer YES to any of these questions, it doesn't qualify as a daily driver (to me):
- Does it requre anything more than gas and regular scheduled maintenance just as the gentleman described his Corvette above?

- Would you drive it any day of the week, any week of the year with the above described maintenance and gladly engage in stoplight wars anytime, anywhere without "special treatment"?

Some examples of "special treatment" to make your car fast for daily driving would include:
Elimination of windshield wipers
Non DOT tires
Forced induction not suitable for wet-weather
Alcohol Injection
NOS
Ice packed intercoolers
Inability/unwillingness to drive it in the weather

Remember, the thread topic was about gathering opinions on how fast a daily driver street car should run.

Maybe I can't get my message across properly. Just look at a 2003 Ford Probe's regular annual maintenance, does that match that of your daily driver?

So if I take my daily driver car, and in a race spray you, it's no long my daily driver?:confused:

The definition of a daily driver is: A car you drive everyday

As for cool down time, I though that was what the whole turbo timer thing was for.

The time you take to have your N20 bottle filled is about the same amount of time it takes to fill up your car, so it's not a big deal

I can use N20 from a stop-light just as easily as I can from a tree. The only "special treatment" is reaching my hand over to flip a switch.

If you don't like N2O that's fine, but don't rag on other people for using it.

Also I know several people who bolt drag radials or ET streets onto their ride on Fri & Sat nights before heading to the cruise spot. Does this mean their car are not daily drivers on those nights?

Good points Josh. I love my NOS. And it loves me. :)

I have to agree on the tires. If you don't drive around with it all the time then its not your street trim.

That puts my car in the low 13's not the low 12's if I am on street tires.

I know you dont like n20 20lbs, but if you drive around with a full bottle and a remote opener well then its basically always available on your daily driver.

Skyler

Ugh, nevermind.

I see the definition of "regular maintenance" as compared to a brand new 2003 car is unattainable. I can pop my hood and dump ice on my intercooler just a quickly as changing a NOS bottle, but I don't consider that something a daily driver does.

PS, I've never heard of a Turbo Timer.

I don't have to leave the comfort of my car to use N20. Just flip a switch. Big difference.

A turbo timer is..... "Turbo timers are designed to keep the engine idling after the engine is shut down and ignition key is removed. The purpose is to keep oil running through the turbo to cool down the center housing. This is particularly critical after a hard run, where the turbines can spin at over 200,000 RPM and reach temperatures as high as 900C. If an engine is shut down immediately after a hard run, the turbines may still be spinning without any circulating oil. Extended and repetitive oil coking within the oil lines and center housing could result in clogging problems and damaged turbos."

Turbo timer keeps your car running after you turn it off to allow your turbo to cool off.

Skyler

Right, but you need to get out to refill it. Same difference.

10-4 on the Turbo Timer.

Hummmmmmmm......fill the bottle up once every 2 weeks or ice the intercooler every run......no it's not the same.

20lbs your an idiot. A true IDIOT.

20lbs drives a freakin' TTA and doesn't cool his turbo?

a difference that i noticed: if you use nitrous, you WILL have to refill. if you use turbo, you don't HAVE to dump ice on intercooler. In fact, i've only seen one turbo guy do it once as an experiment.

No need to call names.

If you are calling someone an idiot, you might want to double check your grammar.

You guys don't bother with this guy any more he is obviously not here to learn about Mustangs

I think he is mad:D :D :D

what happened to kids/mom?
 

I thought this daily driver was also used to take mom and the kids to the store or doctor? Either way I think everyone has lost the point to the thread? Looks like close tie between low and mid 13s????

20LbsBoost, thanks for the question and your continued participation on the board. I feel testosterone and NOS/ICE flying here so....... Shall we start another productive discussion, gentlemen.

Jennifer
aka Janoe of all Trades