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What do you guys think of the SRT4 Neon? 102traps!
What do you guys think? Automobile magazine got a 14.2 @ 102mph, SCC mag got 14.1 @99 mph, Road and Track got 14.2 also! They got a 5.6 sec 0-60 too.
Its rated at 215hp and 245 lbs of tq but it put down 223 hp and 250 lbs of tq to the WHEELS. Thats well over 250 hp and 280 lbs of tq at the motor. I work parts for a Dodge dealer and Im thinking about getting one. I will get it for 25 bucks over dealer cost and get all the performance crap like an LSD, boost controller/chip, for dealer cost. I think with drag radials and a boost controller this will hit some deep 13 second times and still keep that 7 year warranty. And dump on WRX's:D |
Go for it. I haven't read any reviews, but if its that fast......
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I cant wait for this SRT to arrive though, it just sounds awesome to me. The interior is just plain gorgeous too. I was considering buying a WRX a little while ago but not now...the SRT is 5 grand cheaper and defintitely faster...it just doesnt have that wicked all wheel drive launch. |
Sounds pretty cool, what are the details? I havn't heard a thing about em. 102mph is good for some 13's w/ a tire!
If you get it we'll have to race turbo 4's! Skyler |
turn up boost and keep warranty???
good luck with that....... when i had my chrysler, they were reluctant to do the factory recalls, much less cover expenses that they aren't required to by law by honoring a warranty that is technically voided |
Dude, it's a Dodge. :D j/k :D
Sounds like a cool little car. Also sounds like the 'test' vehicle was on 'roids. But who really knows. 100 mph traps are definitely in the 13 zone. Have fun with it if you get one. :) E |
i only saw the sketches for these things...looked pretty ugly...maybe i should see what it actually turned into....hopefully a lot nicer... :)...still boggles the mind that theres a fast neon out there...lol
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If its the same motor as the new turbo PT losers those times are BOGUS !!! Im a Chrysler Jeep tech and I just did a PDI on a new turbo PT. It was slowwwwwww. We havent gotten a turbo NEON in yet. When we do I will let you know if it is really that fast. It has got to be a different motor than the turbo pt's to be as fast as they are saying.
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Except for the fact that the Neon probably weighs alot less that the PT.
It sounds like a fun little car but i dont know if those hp numbers are correct. Could be though. Only problem is it is butt ugly IMO |
DAMN !! I just did some research about the turbo NEON. It is the same motor from the turbo PT but the NEON weighs 2600 pounds and the PT weighs 3200 pounds. I didnt think it would be that much of a weight differance. I guess it might actually be possible for the NEON to get 100 MPH trap speeds. :eek:
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haha
i think its funny that all the import boys are gonna be getting smoke by a domestic 4 banger...but even though this car is domestic im sure some will still consider it rice...i think it would be pretty cool if dodge brought back the avenger in rwd with a sports car version of the hemi they are putting in there new trucks...i think that would be pretty quik:D
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Don't be so quick to believe everything you read....if you guys read the articles, you will see that the car is NOT what is going to be produced. This is a pre-production model and the production car WILL NOT have that power from the factory. It might be easy to reach that power level, but the actual production car will have a lot closer to the numbers that Dodge released...215hp crank and 245 torque crank.
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Actualy the SRT weighs 2950lbs and does use the same motor as the PT but with different cpu/boost settings. The cpu on the model that all four mags tested is within 5% of completion so it will defintiely put up very close to the same numbers the mags got.
Factoy warranty??? Mopar is offering a stage 1-2&3 turbo upgrade kit for this car that should keep your warranty as long as its installed at a dealer. Sold through me at the Dodge parts counter. And I dont care about my warranty....I work for Dodge so they will fix anything I want. Its all up to the dealer to fix your warranty claim or not. Sky, whats that car of yours run? Seems nasty! |
Sky, go to this link http://www.dodge.com/srt-4/index.html# and lauch the mini-site located on that page for all the specs.
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you got to be kidding me? i will take the WRX over the PeeOn anyday!! you have all wheel drive and its turbo works really well. i have seen them pesonally hit mid 13's. Chrysler sucks. it might be nice to look at or cute little cars, but that fact is they ARE the most repaired vehciles out there. JUNK JUNK JUNK! i have done 2.4 head gaskets and swapped motors out of them and not because of lack of maintenence either. Now they want to put a turbo on it.:rollyeyes: i have seen those motors being really fast, but longevity takes a schit down the tubes. only thing chrysler made that was good was the hemi. you take the 2.4 and put 100k of "turbo" miles on it and you will see who last longer, the WRX or the PeeOn. WRX will. i would spend 5k more for the WRX.
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Actualy FORD makes the most repaired and recalled vehicles. The SRT's 2.4 is NOT the same engine in the freakin minivan for gods sake. This engine has done well in Mexico for a few years now and the SRT's has a much stronger crank, new stronger pistons, and stronger rods.
Yeah, the WRX is an awesome car...I almost bought one. But they're good for mid 14's with really shitty MPH's stock. Thier awd lauch is responsible for that. A lot slower than you would think from a roll. Of course they respond VERY well to exhaust mods and a Boost controller but the SRT will too. |
Personally, I think the neon is butt ugly, but man, for that price to get that kind of performance is just incredible. I also read in the article that it doesn't have any mufflers and that it will definitely make it to production without them. Ford better get off their *** and start pumping up the focus.
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Im still a HUGE Ford fan..but the SVT focus suck ***! I almost bought a SC'd 99 GT a few months ago...I'll always love Mustangs....hell most of my friends drive mustangs. I just think this will be something new and different. Besides EVERY stupid ricer is going to want to race this car after reading what its capable of in thier own mags...hell even GT's are going to be a good run for this car. Not many new GT's are trapping 102. Some...but not most.
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I agree with SRV id buy a WRX far before i bought a Neon. especially with the STI's coming here soon :cool:
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They are ugly
Quality. Chrysler came out with the 2.2 Turbo Chargers back in te 80's, and while they were quite peppy, they sucked for reliability! My buddy did like 3 head gaskets in one year! It will be fast for a 4 banger, and I'm sure with a Tubo already on there it will be easy to crank the boost, but I don't think the car will take it. There is definately a performance war going on right now, and it is only making our mustangs faster :) |
You want to hear something funny. That non turbo 2.4 POS is in the new 2003 jeep wranglers. I cant believe they put that in place of the old 2.5. I see major problems down the road with the 2.4 jeep wrangler.
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How is that funny?
Does that 2.3 have no torque? If you ask me ALL jeeps should have the 4.0L |
Yeah those things sport around 240-250 torque(neon)?? It was from the new car and driver, but who knows from those lokeys. But its an interesting issue this month, its a shoot out with the new Mach 1, S2000, the new 350Z and Audi TT. I also wish Dodge would get off there butts with those trucks and get a good muscle car going to help us combat the rice waves ;)
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Mopar is offering a stage 1-2 and 3 turbo upgrade too. Supposedy 25, 50, and 75hp increases. Theyre selling them through the dealers so you can easily have them written in with the deal. Stage 3 would be 328 hp at the motor....add a limited slip diff and it will destroy...destroy the weak *** U.S. spec STi that wont be here for 2 more years. The STi will also be well over 30 grand. The SRT-4 Neon with all that stuff will still be cheaper than a regular WRX.
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Other than the fact that no matter how fast a neon is......Its still a neon.....so who cares.
The wrx has a superbly engineered boxer engine and AWD. The neon more than likely has a poorly built straight 4 that wont hold up. Not to mention the WRX's look killer......... To each his own I guess. |
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That warranty is four years longer and 50,000 miles longer than the Subaru's....and if you mod your Suby the crappy warrany is totaly void. I think Ill get a giant sticker that says "STILL A NEON!" across the entire rear bumper so everyone I beat knows theyve been owned by Neon. |
The mans gotta represent somehow ;) Id like to see the faces on a guy who got took by that neon with a turbo upgrade.
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Thats what Im talkin about. I dont care what your driving if you whoop my ***. I just give respect where its due. Its hard to talk schmack when you just got your azz whooped.
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A couple of comments.....
Performance parts are also available from some Subaru dealerships and can be installed without voiding the warranty. They might not be the cheapest prices, but it is still nice to see manufacturers doing that.
About the Neon, when the production car is finally available, it won't have the power of this car. Part of the reason why this car is making so much power is for testing of some of the performance upgrades available from Dodge. They have been making sure that the car can handle higher power levels therefore ensuring that the lower powered car will survive no matter what. Also, they are making sure that should they decide to offer upgrades in the Mopar catalog, that the upgrades do not compromise the engines reliability. Contrary to your belief fastang, not ALL of the upgrades in the Mopar Catalog are or will be covered under the original warranty. Overall, this is just another alternative for people who are wanting decent power for a decent price. Everyone has their opinion on cars and they will buy what they like. What it really comes down to is your personal preference. Geez, I never thought I'd see the day when I was defending a Neon, but oh well.:D :D |
Damn well inferno pretty much shut us up :D
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heh, the hemi wouldnt be exactly reliable with its high compression race intentions, what about the 383-440 bigblocks that could tear into a hemi just as well,(when built) and heard many stories about the ole 318 lasting over 200k miles. so saying thats the only thing chrysler did good, is dumb, since you obviously dont know enough info to be knocking all mopar engines. The 2.4 probaly is crap, and i wouldnt own a 2.? liter anything, anyone makes. |
I think there is a big difference between the Dodge that produced the 318, 360, 383 and 440 and the dodge that produces the crappy little 4 banger Neon!
I'd take an old Challenger or Cuda anyday! But give me an option for almost any new Dodge product, and I'm thinking about how to get out of it. |
Inferno....You usualy know what your talking about but Dodge did not use any of their performance parts AT ALL. The CPU on that car is within 5% of completion and thats the standard model.
The stage 1 and stage 2 upgrades will absolutely keep your factory warranty. Stage 3 will not because its not street legal because they remove the cat. Stage one bumps the stock turbo up, Stage 2 gets a completely new turbo, new injectors, a few sensors, a downpipe and a new computer. Stage 3 gets all of 2 but a different cpu, no cat, and larger injectors. We'll see how this works out. Im going to try to order one with the stage II kit and a LSD. ALL the mags have said that "Mopar plans to release performance parts for the car, but as you can see its plenty fast already" Meaning that there were NO Mopar performance parts on the car they were testing. |
You want some proof of the Mopar kits? Here some pics from the SEMA show. http://allpar.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=18&t=5622
4th post down or so you will find links to 4 pics from the show that completely explain the upgrades.....the car used in the mags was stock. |
Ok, I'll jump into this fray too since I'm on a roll this evening.
The performance in the original post is definitely interesting, BUT IT'S STILL A NEON!!! What was the best quote in the movie "Christine"?: "You can't polish a turd" My apologies to all you racin' Neon owners. My $.02 for what it's worth. |
fastang, we can go at this all day long. You have your opinion based on assumptions and the always accurate magazine article:rolleyes:, and I have my opinion based on the same "accurate" articles and talking to some people from Dodge. The production car most likely will not make 14lbs of boost like this car does and it is going to have a more restrictive exhaust to try to quiet the noise. They are determined not to put a muffler on the car so that means either smaller piping or another resonator which means more back pressure which means slower turbo spooling. The car used in the testing is "stock" but that still doesn't mean that the production car will be like that. Also, if you notice at the link you sent me, they are basing the performance mods off of upgrading the 215hp 245ft/lb goal.
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Oh yeah, and read where Apex says that the parts are NOT covered under warranty.
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A lot of bitching and whineing when you guys see a quick 4 cylinder. My Merkur Xr4Ti is a ugly peice of **** too, but hopefully its gonna be a quickly little 4cylinder, and yea its a ford. Jesse, If you can get it pumpin good hp with a warranty I say go for it. You can always crank the boost more! And turn it back if u need warranty work :). What kind of an intercooler setup does it have?
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Inferno, No the performance parts themselves arent under warranty but my point was that they will not void the warranty that you already have. So you 7 year 70,000 mile warranty will stand. And Im not basing my opinion on one magazine...Im basing it on four different ones getting the same results. Of course Mopar is basing the hp increases of their kits against the original rating of 215....what else are they going to do? If its rated at 215 but really putting 215 to the wheels after they de-tune it like you are so sure they will, thanthe kit should put down 275 at the wheels as well.
Sky, I know Merkur is by Ford and congratulations it sound sweet. Id' like to see it. |
Well, in most cases, any factory hp upgrades can void parts of the original warranty. For example, if you were to get those parts and somehow blow your motor, do you really think that it would be replaced under warranty? I am sure that everything else will be covered, but it would be too easy for the dealer to say that the upgraded parts were the cause regardless of the fact that they were installed at the dealership. Unless they specifically say that the part won't void the warranty, it will.
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YES, Inferno, thats the point. Thats why this car and concept is different than the others. Mopar is encouraging modification. Not only that but theyre severely underrating the car just like the LS1. There also wont be very many of them on the road...which makes them quite unique. Not every moron will be able to own one. The stage II kit should be able to give an LS1 a damn good run and hit 12's with some sticky tires. Stage III will definitley be good for 12 second times but not street legal......so get the stage II kit, add the cat-less downpipe yourself and squeeze a 50 shot. Just replace the pipe and keep your warranty.
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I'd like to make a correction, Automobile mag got a 14.0 @ 102 mph not 14.2 as I had previously stated.
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Hmm.. not bad sounding car but I don't think I'll ever own a Dodge, or a Neon. They just arn't my type of car. But hell it doesn't stop anyone driving one. Everyone has there own preferance. I'd love to have the WRX. Has anyone seen there new model? Looks pretty sharp! Also I wouldn't mind taking the new Protege Speed coming out. It's modified by Callaway, it's not that bad looking car and performance isn't overly bad. It's a limited production car though. Seems like motor companies are coming out with 4cly. turbos. Which is pretty cool, since they have alittle kick to them.
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Hahn is running a 420a neon on stock internals at around 370 right now, alot of components in that engine, I know at least the head, were designed by McClaren. Many of the chrysler designed 4-cylinders can handle 15 pounds on stock internals if the air/fuel is tuned correctly. I think that throws the unreliable belief out the window. Most of chryslers reliability issues come from the Mitsubishi designed engines, not the American designs.
I was going to buy a 4 banger avenger, and the stage III turbo kit from hahn, but a V8 Mustang seems like the next obvious choice for me. |
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evidentally you dont work on Chryslers for a living. THEY ARE JUNK! regaurdless of how fast it is how fast it can be, most wont last without a major repair! As for dumb, your the one defending it, but wont own a "2.? liter anything" because you believe bigger is better, dont you? name one motor 1980 on up that Chrysler made that was good? can you? if so, the only one i can agree with you on is the FI 3.9 Dakota motor, the rest are junk! Cant wait till he mentions the V10! that is the motor everyone can afford!:rolleyes: |
*cough*420a*cough*
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BTW it was a 14.2 @102 not a 14.0. I bought that issue of car and driver to see what you were talking about.
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The 420a is a 2.0, not the 2.4. I won't argue with you over the 2.4, I see stratus' with the 2.4 at the dodge dealership all the time for service. I was just pointing out that all chrysler engines from the 80's and 90's were not junk, and I still stand behind my comments on the 2.0.
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I am very aware of the displacement and specs of the 420a. I just find it funny that you think that it was a dodge only design.
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