Is it even worth it for a bigger mass air meter on a stock engine with a CAI setup?

96_4.6 · 03-02-2003, 11:43 PM

Hey I'm buying in to the CAI, i know i know i'm not expecting great gains or any at all but I'm buyin MAC's cause it fits the factory strut-tower brace so i was wondering on a stock engine is it worth the money for a bigger mass air meter, like i think i saw either 80 or 87 mm I believe for 96-98 stangs mine being a 96 gt, thanks

Hammer · 03-02-2003, 11:53 PM

A properly calibrated after market MAF will help a little bit, even stock. You might think of saving some cash and get the MAF without the CAI kit.

You also might want to take a look at the C&L MAF\CAI kits....
Click

TcobrA · 03-03-2003, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by 96_4.6
Hey I'm buying in to the CAI, i know i know i'm not expecting great gains or any at all but I'm buyin MAC's cause it fits the factory strut-tower brace so i was wondering on a stock engine is it worth the money for a bigger mass air meter, like i think i saw either 80 or 87 mm I believe for 96-98 stangs mine being a 96 gt, thanks

My son has the MAC on his '98 GT.... no dynos but by calibrated SOP -- feels like it makes SOME difference!

I have the UPR on my '03 Cobra -- dyno says it's up about 25 hp from where it was before the addition of the CAI --

Have fun

Hammer · 03-03-2003, 03:23 PM

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I have the UPR on my '03 Cobra -- dyno says it's up about 25 hp from where it was before the addition of the CAI --

The 03 Cobra is the first late model modular I've seen that sees good gains off of a CAI kit. This is probably because of the vehicle using forced induction (blower).

In most other cases, I've never seen a CAI do much for a stock setup...

TcobrA · 03-03-2003, 03:44 PM

Actually,
I have seen some documented changes in NA mods. These are not huge gains. My son says he notices a big difference in highway throttle responce...... Perhaps due to cooler -- out of engine compartment air -- The rubber trumpet had been removed when a K&N was added (before the CAI).... There is a definite improvement with hte CAI, again SOP--------

As for the Cobra -- DEFINITE CHANGES!!!

Hammer · 03-03-2003, 03:55 PM

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I have seen some documented changes in NA mods. These are not huge gains. My son says he notices a big difference in highway throttle responce......

Hence the well-used phrase "Mileage May Vary" I guess...

Of course, I can only go by what I've seen on the dyno on just some applications....

Something else to consider, there have been cases of some MAFs not liking the bend into the wheel-well....

My personal opinion though... on near stock applications, don't expect much of a gain with a CAI kit.....
Please remember: "Mileage May Vary"

TcobrA · 03-03-2003, 04:04 PM

There seems to be something about MAF rotation. Densecharger was having trouble with their positioning and have (or ar about to) change it. Do a thread search at www.svtperformance.com -- see forums

peace

Hammer · 03-03-2003, 04:38 PM

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There seems to be something about MAF rotation. Densecharger was having trouble with their positioning and have (or ar about to) change it.

Rotating the MAF for induction bend issues is quite common on many applications.
Unfortunately, when using a stock "flanged" type MAF, rotation is somewhat limited and sometimes impossible... this depends on the flange size and application.

Most owners with blowers like to use "bullet" type MAFs for un-hindered rotation while tuning with their setup.... this is due to the sensor usually being placed at the "top" of the MAF unit, which in some applications may not be the best angle to get a good reading.

This is the same basic principle when encountering possible CAI\MAF problems...

The Pro-M "Univer" MAF is a good solution for blown applications as it "should" be able to get a good reading no matter how the MAF is positioned. (Of course with this also... Mileage May Vary...)

96_4.6 · 03-03-2003, 04:47 PM

well which maf would be good then, i see them come ready for 19lb injectors cause i dont see myself changing the injectors anytime soon so cheap would be nice thanks for all the input

Hammer · 03-03-2003, 04:52 PM

Anything from Pro-M or C&L would work fine...

C&L

Pro-M

96_4.6 · 03-03-2003, 10:18 PM

That sucks cause alot of them are the whole systems, I want that mac CAI for the looks and I just want a bigger mass air to put in the full system from TB to fender from mac but o well thanks everyone

stangt00 · 03-03-2003, 10:49 PM

For what it's worth, the Mac CAI was my FIRST mod. I did notice an increase in the tone of the exhaust, and better throttle response. No dyno results though. If anything, it looks cool under the hood

at a minimum.

96_4.6 · 03-03-2003, 10:49 PM

Speakin of MAF'S whats the size of ny stock maf, 96-98 stang gt's

03-02-2003, 11:43 PM	#1
96_4.6 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 417	Is it even worth it for a bigger mass air meter on a stock engine with a CAI setup? Hey I'm buying in to the CAI, i know i know i'm not expecting great gains or any at all but I'm buyin MAC's cause it fits the factory strut-tower brace so i was wondering on a stock engine is it worth the money for a bigger mass air meter, like i think i saw either 80 or 87 mm I believe for 96-98 stangs mine being a 96 gt, thanks __________________ 1996 Mustang GT, AODE -Trickflow Upper Plenum -BBK 70mm Throttlebody -02 PI Lower Intake -March Pulleys -BBK H-Pipe -2 Chamber Flowmaster mufflers -3000 RPM Stall -JLT CAI with special K&N -MSD Supercondutor wires -180 stat -FRPP 4:10's *FOR SALE C&L TRUE FLOW INLET PIPE WITH K&N* My Stang

03-02-2003, 11:53 PM	#2
Hammer AKA "Dr. Evil" Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: South Fork Ranch Posts: 1,721	A properly calibrated after market MAF will help a little bit, even stock. You might think of saving some cash and get the MAF without the CAI kit. You also might want to take a look at the C&L MAF\CAI kits.... Click __________________ Uncle Sam "What the hell is up with all the gauges? Calling Captain Kirk, your ride awaits... Phasers on stun...."

03-03-2003, 03:44 PM	#5
TcobrA Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Salem, NH Posts: 4	Actually, I have seen some documented changes in NA mods. These are not huge gains. My son says he notices a big difference in highway throttle responce...... Perhaps due to cooler -- out of engine compartment air -- The rubber trumpet had been removed when a K&N was added (before the CAI).... There is a definite improvement with hte CAI, again SOP-------- As for the Cobra -- DEFINITE CHANGES!!! __________________ She got the house, but I got the cars....

03-03-2003, 04:04 PM	#7
TcobrA Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Salem, NH Posts: 4	There seems to be something about MAF rotation. Densecharger was having trouble with their positioning and have (or ar about to) change it. Do a thread search at www.svtperformance.com -- see forums peace __________________ She got the house, but I got the cars....

03-03-2003, 04:47 PM	#9
96_4.6 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 417	well which maf would be good then, i see them come ready for 19lb injectors cause i dont see myself changing the injectors anytime soon so cheap would be nice thanks for all the input __________________ 1996 Mustang GT, AODE -Trickflow Upper Plenum -BBK 70mm Throttlebody -02 PI Lower Intake -March Pulleys -BBK H-Pipe -2 Chamber Flowmaster mufflers -3000 RPM Stall -JLT CAI with special K&N -MSD Supercondutor wires -180 stat -FRPP 4:10's *FOR SALE C&L TRUE FLOW INLET PIPE WITH K&N* My Stang

03-03-2003, 04:52 PM	#10
Hammer AKA "Dr. Evil" Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: South Fork Ranch Posts: 1,721	Anything from Pro-M or C&L would work fine... C&L Pro-M __________________ Uncle Sam "What the hell is up with all the gauges? Calling Captain Kirk, your ride awaits... Phasers on stun...."

03-03-2003, 10:18 PM	#11
96_4.6 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 417	That sucks cause alot of them are the whole systems, I want that mac CAI for the looks and I just want a bigger mass air to put in the full system from TB to fender from mac but o well thanks everyone __________________ 1996 Mustang GT, AODE -Trickflow Upper Plenum -BBK 70mm Throttlebody -02 PI Lower Intake -March Pulleys -BBK H-Pipe -2 Chamber Flowmaster mufflers -3000 RPM Stall -JLT CAI with special K&N -MSD Supercondutor wires -180 stat -FRPP 4:10's *FOR SALE C&L TRUE FLOW INLET PIPE WITH K&N* My Stang

03-03-2003, 10:49 PM	#12
stangt00 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Philadelphia PA Posts: 143	For what it's worth, the Mac CAI was my FIRST mod. I did notice an increase in the tone of the exhaust, and better throttle response. No dyno results though. If anything, it looks cool under the hood at a minimum. __________________ 2000 GT 80mm Pro-M mass air, 24lb injectors, 75mm BBK T/B, K&N Filter Cold Air, 1/2" Phenolic intake spacer, Underdrive Pulleys, Dyno Tuned Autologic Chip, FMS Shorty Headers, Mac Prochamber 2 1/2" Off Road H pipe, 2 Chamber Flowmasters, Steeda lowering springs. Steeda Tri-Ax Short Throw shifter, Steeda Power slot rotors w/ Hawk Pro pads, 3.73 FRP Gears. Headwork and Comp cams install in progress.

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