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What's up with all the trash talk?
I don't want to sound like I'm better than everyone, but I seriously wonder about all the guys on here that brag their *** off about beating whatever car they raced last night. I mean it's a great feeling to beat someone, but seriously, you've had your share of *** whoopings too. Everyone gets beat. I try and not talk big all the time because people take every chance they get to dis my cougar. If I race someone and beat them, the most I'll say about it is I won. And maybe by how much if they ask. And usually it's something like, "I donno, a car length maybe" because the thing that pisses me off the most is someone who talks trash. I would hope that everyone here got their turn driving their moms minivan that was slow as hell and died if you goosed it. Maybe not that bad, but everyone should get a chance to get their *** kicked. It may not be as glorious as trash talking about the slow *** POS you just killed, but it sure as hell shows more dignity. Seriously, I think it shows much more character to get beat and rant about how badass someone elses car is. No matter what you have done to your car, there's always something more to do that someone else has probably done. Chances are you don't drive the fastest stang out there so just remember all the trash talking you do when you get your butt kicked. Because hopefully the guy who kicked your butt will tell you how slow your POS really is.
------------------ Michael Black Quantum Motorsports Norman, Oklahoma 1988 Merc Cougar 5.0 HO, P&Ped heads, 2.25" custom mandrel bent dual pipes, T5 five speed tranny 15.43 @ 91.08mph (not shabby for a 3600 pound car) 60' 2.453 Street tires suck!!! |
Are you a bit insecure about your 15.4 e/t? hey man we like to talk about kills, how many car lengths, and how slow the other guy is, yea i know my limits, i wont pick on TT supras after seeing them run, but why shouldnt i? i beat a vr4 on x-mas eve....and anyone that would rather talk about being beat then beating, is kinda weird to me?
WIN WIN WIN....all its about, gotta love competition, and i can shake a guys hand that beats me by a bumper, and just ask if he wants to go again http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif Anything other than 1st place is last imo. |
I agree with you 90spdcoupe(about the 1st place thing). I do talk about the races I have lost as well as the races I have won.
It's just I have not lost yet on the current combo. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif I raced a modified TT Supra and won with out the NOS but I have to admit those cars are fast. 2nd place is nature’s way of saying you suck! ------------------ James Cox nochevy@hotmail.com 1991 Mustang LX Best 1/8 time on motor 7.686 @90.20mph [This message has been edited by Five0 (edited 12-31-2000).] |
Hmm.. this is the street racers corner and it says "Post your kill stories" so what do you expect people to do. I've had my fair share of loses and even post a few of them(see my post about racing the SS), but I agree it's much more fun to win and brag about it then lose.
------------------ 92 AOD GT, K&N, ram air, pulleys, 2 ch. flowmasters, 4:10's, shift kit, 1 5/8 mac longtubes and offroad hpipe 14.249 @ 97.34 mph before the headers and hpipe |
Uh, Quantum, did you not get the Christmas present you really wanted? It'll be okay dude. You may be in the wrong board:
"Street Racers Corner This is a ultimate place for the street racing addict. For serious discussion and stories about street/strip victories, and to let everyone know where the hot street racing spots are every where" (Mustang Works). ------------------------------- '79 Mustang Coup 4" Cowl Weld wheels (15x6;15x8) Stock 5.8L C4 w/ shift kit 1.5" MAC full length headers Holley 750 CFM Edelbrock intake 2.5" Off road H-pipe 8.8" Rear end w/ 2.73:1 gears (sucks!) Front: 225/60/15 Rear: 255/60/15 Eagle GT II Sucky Purolator air filter that's choking my car. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...gboard/mad.gif |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "trash talking" just another name for lying about how fast your car is? I think most kills posted here are honest accounts of actual races. The "trash talkers" are usually easily detected and put in their proper places by other members. At least, that's been my experience here.
Rev ------------------ '66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph 1/4 mi. |
Well, I guess I found out what kind of people read this board. Sorry to bring it up guys, I guess no one can understand the dignity in loss. I've had my share of wins at the track and on the street, I love winning as much as the next guy, but I don't enjoy listening to a bunch of bragging hot heads rant about how badass their car is. But it's not the guys who talk big about their cars that really get me, it's the people who talk down about other peoples cars. Seriously, why does your car have to beat everyone elses for it to be fun for you? The only reason I want my car to go faster than it was from the factory is because I enjoy working on it and I enjoy the feeling when I turn the key after having the engine completely apart and it starts right up and I go out and hammer the throttle and feel the seat trying to push it's way out from under me. I don't have the money to spend to make my car the fastest out there, but at least I'm happy with it even though I lose more races than I win. I guess a lot of you guys are wondering why I would post this here. Probably because I wanted to see if anyone on this page could see where I was coming from. I guess not. I just want to know why you guys always have to be better than someone else. Insecurity possibly? All of you guys who say second place is last, what do you do when you lose? Do you go shoot yourself? I mean really, you've failed!!! You didn't win, oh my god!!! Oh that's right I forgot, you never talk about losing so it probably never happens right? I don't care what anyone else says, it shows a hell of a lot more character to lose with dignity than to win and brag. And I'd rather hang out with someone who never wins and tells everyone than who wins all the time and brags their *** off.
------------------ Michael Black Quantum Motorsports Norman, Oklahoma 1988 Merc Cougar 5.0 HO, P&Ped heads, 2.25" custom mandrel bent dual pipes, T5 five speed tranny 15.43 @ 91.08mph (not shabby for a 3600 pound car) 60' 2.453 Street tires suck!!! |
I dont lose to much because I dont try to bite off more than I can chew. Honestly, in my 2000 GT I havent lost one YET. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif I'm not bragging, I'm just extremely lucky. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif I know my time is coming that I will be handed my lunch, but hopefully its not to much of an embarrasement, or to a sore winner. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/frown.gif
I will be sure to post when I lose a street race. Now in my 64 coupe I have lost several times. Twice to 80's Vettes, and my friends 67 Fairlane. There has got to be other times, but I cant think of them right now. Good point though Quantum Motorsports. I know my cars arent the fastest in town, I know I'm not the best driver also, I'm just selective of my competitors. Call it a sixth sense. Although I havent turned down many races. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif ------------------ 64 1/2 Red Mustang Coupe. 289, C4, 3:1 rear gear. Mallory duel point. Ported & Polished 65 heads shaved .01 with 351 windsor valves, high side of 10.5:1 comp, 1.7:1 sled rockers, blue wolverine lumpy cam, autolite 4100 Hipo 4 barrel. And to many others to list 2000 Perf Red Mustang GT. 5spd. 64 1/2 red 6cyl coupe. Auto. project car. |
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Respectfully, why are you so sore? Do you expect people to lie and make up stories of getting beat if they haven't?? How often do you visit this board? It would do you much good to post the topics from the last 100 days and go through them. You'll see that a good percentage of topics deal with getting beat. One topic was "I got beat!!." Another topic was "Do you get mad when you get beat?" And there are plenty more of those. I understand some of your grievances, but you've only argued one side of the issue. The fact is MUSTANGS RULE. They win. But for you Quantum (with no hard feelings), I got beat a few months ago by a 2000 Cobra R. I barely got him off the line, but when we hit second, it was TOTALLY over. He left me with a good view of the back of his car. I had 2.73 gears at the time and was sure that if I had 3.73s, I still would have got beaten, just not as bad. (this was my first time losing, and I've raced corvettes, modified stangs, camaros, GNs, etc). Peace bro. ------------------------------- '79 Mustang Coup 4" Cowl Weld wheels (15x6;15x8) Stock 5.8L C4 w/ shift kit 1.5" MAC full length headers Holley 750 CFM Edelbrock intake 2.5" Off road H-pipe 8.8" Rear end w/ 2.73:1 gears (sucks!) Front: 225/60/15 Rear: 255/60/15 Eagle GT II Sucky Purolator air filter that's choking my car. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...gboard/mad.gif |
Fox Body,
Apparently most people who read this board are just like you. If you are able to examine yourself enough to figure that one out. Read Mercury's post and you will find someone that is apparenly out of the ordinary. After reading all the other posts on here I was shocked to find someone with that much class. By the way Fox, I just love how your post is filled with little comments about how you barely lost to a 2K cobra R. First of all, I would be very impressed just to SEE a 2K Cobra R let alone run against it and never would I expect to win. Because I never expect to win at all. That's just how I am. FOX BODY "I barely got him off the line, but when we hit second, it was TOTALLY over. He left me with a good view of the back of his car. I had 2.73 gears at the time and was sure that if I had 3.73s, I still would have got beaten, just not as bad." What is that supposed to mean? Were you trying to make is sound like you could see both sides of this issue? I'd say the fact that you've supposedly only been beated once disqualifies you on that account. By the way, just FYI, Mustangs are pretty quick cars. They're slapped together to keep them cheap and incase you haven't noticed, most of them rattle and squeak like mad. They're not the best cars on the road. So maybe it's just jealousy that makes you gloat when you happen to jump off the line quicker than some vett or camaro, not to say that they're constucted any better. I'm only suggesting that when you post about winning in street races that you remember that the other person has to tell his friends that he just got beat by a punk 5.0 driver. So if you show some respect he might not trash talk about you for being a sore loser. ------------------ Michael Black Quantum Motorsports Norman, Oklahoma 1988 Merc Cougar 5.0 HO, P&Ped heads, 2.25" custom mandrel bent dual pipes, T5 five speed tranny 15.43 @ 91.08mph (not shabby for a 3600 pound car) 60' 2.453 Street tires suck!!! |
For the life of me, I can't see the virtue in losing races. That doesn't mean that when one does lose, he has to be a jerk about it. We all lose or will lose sometime. That should just inspire us to make our cars quicker. In no way, does that make it admireable to lose a race. That's just a goofy idea IMHO.
Rev ------------------ '66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph 1/4 mi. |
I didn't say anything about being a jerk after losing. I'm talking about people who are jerks after winning. If you really do win races, it's not very sportsman-like to brag and trash talk. It's called being humble. And realizing that whoever you race deserves some respect. Simply because they're another person. So why add insult to injury and brag and trash talk when you've already won the race. I dont' know about you guys, but when I read all of your "stories" about beating whomever by however much you supposedly beat them I am not impressed. It's as if you feel like you must prove that your car is fast by telling everyone who you have beaten. All I am saying is that I don't understand your desire to make everyone know that you are better than someone because I simply do not care if I am better than anyone.
------------------ Michael Black Quantum Motorsports Norman, Oklahoma 1988 Merc Cougar 5.0 HO, P&Ped heads, 2.25" custom mandrel bent dual pipes, T5 five speed tranny 15.43 @ 91.08mph (not shabby for a 3600 pound car) 60' 2.453 Street tires suck!!! |
One can post a kill without being a jerk. A person "talks trash" only if he lies or is rude in relating the story. At least that's the way i see it.
Rev ------------------ '66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph 1/4 mi. |
quantum: quote "A punk 5.0 kid" ok so its harder on someone to lose to a 5.0? why dont you just go buy a slowmaro and go to the ls1 board....sheesh!
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Okay, before this gets out of hand, Quantum, understand that in no way have I been offended nor has it been my desire to offend you. You seem to be a little overly sensitive, though. Like Rev said, "one can post a kill without being a jerk." I have ALWAYS been cool after EVERY race and MOST of the time I end talking to the person I raced and making another friend (networking).
When I mentioned the story of gettin beat by a Cobra R, I said "when we hit second, it was TOTALLY over." I didn't say he "barely" beat me. I even said that if I had 3.73s he STILL would have beaten me. There is NO way I'm gonna downsize (or exaggerate) a story. There is a difference b/t being "humble" and LYING. Would you have rather I said that I beat him? That would have been just as bad as me saying that I didn't barely get him on the launch. They're both lies. Now I totally understand your point about being humble and respecting other people. But you wrote: "...And realizing that whoever you race deserves some respect. Simply because they're another person. So why add insult to injury and brag and trash talk when you've already won the race. I dont' know about you guys, but when I read all of your "stories" about beating whomever by however much you supposedly beat them I am not impressed. It's as if you feel like you must prove that your car is fast by telling everyone who you have beaten. All I am saying is that I don't understand your desire to make everyone know that you are better than someone because I simply do not care if I am better than anyone." Which person ever stated they were better than anyone else b/c they won a race???!!! You make it sound like we're flippin off these people after races, cussing at them and degrading them to less than human beings, going to their homes and jobs and yelling "ha ha ha, I beat this guy's car, his car sucks, he's a nobody" all just for losing a stinking race. Dude, you are putting WAY too much weight to the matter. Everyone who comes to this board understands what this board is for: "for serious discussion about street/strip victories". Yes, to be honest I have seen a FEW post that were a bit disrespectful. I can't excuse their behavior (whoever they were). But as a whole, understand that in the Mustang/Mustang Works community, posts of street/strip victories and losses are all understood b/t us who post here. Ain't no one tryin to degrade anyone else. Why do you insist that people are degrading others? NO ONE EVER SAID THEY WERE BETTER THAN THE OTHER PERSON. I don't know. Maybe you have no idea of what I'm talking about. Maybe you do. Peace. ------------------------------- '79 Mustang Coup 4" Cowl Weld wheels (15x6;15x8) Stock 5.8L C4 w/ shift kit 1.5" MAC full length headers Holley 750 CFM Edelbrock intake 2.5" Off road H-pipe 8.8" Rear end w/ 2.73:1 gears (sucks!) Front: 225/60/15 Rear: 255/60/15 Eagle GT II Sucky Purolator air filter that's choking my car. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...gboard/mad.gif |
Okay, maybe what I'm trying to say has been misunderstood or maybe I haven't gone about saying it correctly. I have nothing wrong with talking about racing, I have nothing wrong with talking about beating people. I guess it's possible that even though some of your stories sound like bragging they might not be, that's for you alone to decide. My post was pointed towards the (apparently) few people who post stories of victories that are simply posted for self improvement in their own eyes. Most of the people posting here with an opposite opinion I have never even read a post from that was rude or bragging. Maybe my post found it's way into the eyes of the few people who truly do not mean to be disrespectful by talking about a street race victory. But I still believe that if you truly did not mean to talk down about the people you beat that would mean you could sympathize with them which would usually mean that you could understand my opinion. I would hope that if someone were to read my post and dissagree that they could simply say "Hey man, we're just having fun. We're not trying to make anybody feel bad. Sure there are people who truly talk trash and I probably am guilty of a little(because everyone has done it, including me), but we're just having a good time and when someone beats me(notice I say when, instead of if, because it will happen), I'd be perfectly fine if they posted the story on here. As a matter of fact, I'd probably laugh along with them cause damn, they have a fast freaking car that totally smoked my *** like I was their ***** ." If someone were to post a reply of that nature, I could respect them.
------------------ Michael Black Quantum Motorsports Norman, Oklahoma 1988 Merc Cougar 5.0 HO, P&Ped heads, 2.25" custom mandrel bent dual pipes, T5 five speed tranny 15.43 @ 91.08mph (not shabby for a 3600 pound car) 60' 2.453 Street tires suck!!! |
Quantum Motor Sports.
I understand and see your point of view. Yes and it does seem that most victors ego's get rather inflated. I try to show respect to the fellow competitor. But when I hear the driver of the car next to me (This really happened once) tell his girl, "Watch me smoke that slow peice of Antique Sh$t" (refering to my 64 1/2 coupe), I feel in a way justified to gloat after I beat his driving skills and his 90 5.0 LX. But as mentioned earlier, I respect my fellow competitors, for I am not better than them. They may be a real good driver, I just happened to catch them on an off day. Hey it happens. I do think of myself as an above average driver though. Maybe some of these Street racers here in Fayetteville can use me for them roleModel. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif Just kidding. Oh, and another loss of mine in my 64 1/2 that I remembered (I asked my cruising partner Eric tonight if he remembered any races that I lost. I had forgot one.) Its an embbarrasing one too. :O I lost to an import about 3 1/2 years ago. My 64 coupe wasnt nearly as built up then as it is now and my racing skills sucked bad (hey we all gotta start sometime). I dont know what it was, but I do remeber the large, loud sucking sound it made when he blew by me. He beat me bad though. My friend says it was an Integra or something, I say it was late 80's Supra. ------------------ 64 1/2 Red Mustang Coupe. 289, C4, 3:1 rear gear. Mallory duel point. Ported & Polished 65 heads shaved .01 with 351 windsor valves, high side of 10.5:1 comp, 1.7:1 sled rockers, blue wolverine lumpy cam, autolite 4100 Hipo 4 barrel. And to many others to list 2000 Perf Red Mustang GT. 5spd. 64 1/2 red 6cyl coupe. Auto. project car. |
Well, Mr. Quantum, it seems your opinion is being swayed. But I must add my own two cents.
I have been reading this list for nearly a year. My first impressions where as yours, however, before I mouthed off I decided to read for a while and get a feel for these guys. Look at their times, they are back to basics grass roots muscle car enthusiasts, who post out of utter glee and/or astonishment in their achievements. If you care to stick around, and read what these guys’s have to say, you will undoubtedly pick up on a sense of camaraderie, which could only be replaced by personal relations. As I say, I have been reading here for nearly a year, and having learned what these guys are about, finally decided to post a situation I found myself in. Unfortunately I had to tell the truth, as these guy’s always seem to do, and it was about being beat by a Honda of some sort, maybe an Accura, how the heck you spell it I’m not sure. They all responded with ha ha’s, Great story etc, and on guy even balled up to say “you probably made his day” That does not sound like a bunch of gloat-miesters to me. Racing is a sport, and I for one do not know of anybody that takes part in a sport with intentions of loosing. Having said that, winning at a sport often means you enjoy recounting the moment with people who share a similar interest. I sure hope you feel differently when Dan Marino, Micheal Jordan, Wayne Gretkzy, Cal Ripken, Lance Armstrong etc, share great moments in their careers on national broadcast mediums. This is a mustang owners/enthusiasts board where sharing such events takes place. It’s not like we are on some Honda board mouthing off and stirring it up, that I would consider un-sportsman like and trash talk. No offense to Honda owners, they build some great vehicles. I choose rear wheel drive, and the only one Honda makes, quite frankly, I doubt I’ll ever be able justify the sticker price. Have a happy new year all… |
Quantam I have always been a respectful winner AND loser. If I beat someone I always tell them what is done to my car if they ask. Or if they beat me then I will want to talk to them and see what they run. (These situations are only true when you are not street racing for money).
I have street raced for money many times. However, I have street raced more without money on the line. I am pretty involved with the street racing scene. I have had my share of wins and losses. The only time when I start to get upset is when someone puts my car down. I have talked trash, it was a time when a supposed friend and I raced and he lied about it and said my car was a slow pos for having the mods that I had done to my car (Read '98SS story, in street racers forum). I agree and see where you are coming from, but its everywhere. I was an all state middle linebacker at 5'10" 165lbs. I used to take so much crap from people that were bigger than me, saying they were going to declete me. Instead of going down onto their level, I focussed all of my anger into kicking their *** with my pads. The philosophy that I carry into all competitive events: I respect all who compete, even trash talkers, but they will get what is coming to them. But if you can't defeat them then you must bite down and take it like a man. ------------------ 88GT stock shortblock, ported GT-40 iron heads, ported Edlebrock Performer intake, 24# inj, Pro-M 75mm Bullet MAM, 3.73, hurst short throw, F-303, electric fan, alum rad, FMS HD clutch, R134a ac conversion, 70mm TB , and some other stuff I probably forgot, best run so far on ET streets is 13.02@106 with a 1.87 60ft. |
CleanLX, man, that was touching. I don't know if I could have stated it any better (seriously).
But I guess this is a small lesson for all of us just reminding us (whether we have been guilty or not) to be careful how to relate our stories. I guess. |
Does this mean I should reconsider the "Stomped the **** out of a POS ricer" post that I was getting ready to write? LOL.
Rev ------------------ '66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph 1/4 mi. |
ya, good point.
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Quantum, what are you complaining about? I have been reading your posts here for a while and you always have good input. But here I really don't know what your going at.
People post their kills here thats the point. It doesn't say to post your loses, but people still post those too! Sometimes we dont like to let everyone know about being beat on. Also alot of people here have quick cars and don't pick on other cars that are way faster than them. As you can see I have been here much longer than you have and I have seen many many loses. Take my car for example. I run mid/high 13's on the street with street tires and I have honestly beat everyone in my town. Ive only lost to a supercharged saleen about a year and a half ago when I had no exhaust and no fuel system upgrades or tuning. Ive re-raced him since and beat him. So I'm close to undefeated and my car isnt even that fast. Honestly I think your cranky because your car only runs 15's and you can't see how running just a second or two faster makes a lot of guys win races. Ride in a 13sec car. The difference is amazing. I pulled a 15.4@90mph in my stock integra. Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, Edelbrock intake, E-303, 3.73's, 1 5/8 shorty headers, Offroad-Hpipe, 2chamber flows, 36psi FPR, playing with timing still, 70mm tb, 73mm maf, 24lb injectors, K/N, March Crank pulley, MSD6a, 9mm wires and FMS Aluminum driveshaft. Best ET 13.2@106mph Needs tuning... |
Quantum:
Interesting thread. I think most of can agree that when one takes the time, trouble and expense to buy or build a fast 'performance' car such as the Mustang V-8, then go to the trouble of taking it to the track or more likely, taking the risk of street racing it, that person is committed to 'performance' (going fast in a short amount of time; like 12 seconds or so) and when they are challenged or challenge another performance car driven by a like-minded person, it's reasonable for that individual to be elated or at least pleased when they win the race. That is simply a human trait. To pretend that they feel no joy in winning would be 'PC' in the extreme. If that individual then posts the win in this forum (which is it's purpose) then that's a natural action, too, at least for the computer-savvy Mustang driver. Should the winner bad-mouth his challenger? Depends on the situation of course but as a rule, no. Some Mustang drivers that modify and race their cars are young and/or aggressive and will 'talk trash' after a win; especially if it was unexpected. That is somewhat regrettable but, within bounds of good taste, not a crime or worth getting too upset over, in my opinion. Profanity and plain nastyness will be edited or deleted by the moderator(s) but some gloating is permitted. If you find that offensive and feel it indicates some lack of character on the part of the member, you are free to continue this discussion. I believe that some bragging is just a part of the whole street-racing scene and I'm not offended by it in the least; again, within the bounds of reality and some good taste. One can be over-sensitive here. As others have pointed out, this is a high-performance, street racing-related forum. To expect folks to downplay their wins and somehow 'balance' things out by posting all losses as well as wins or at least to not be 'too happy' about winning strikes me as an over-reaction and smacks of the absurd PC concept that 'No One Is a Loser' in any contest, as the 'loser' term will harm someone's precious self-esteem. Please. Are we children or adults here? Losing to some guy with a faster car doesn't harm anyones 'self-esteem' and beating someone else doesn't make anyone a better person; just someone who won a street race, no more or less. Most of us here understand that and respond accordingly to our wins and losses. Those who don't will probably realize (eventually) that a fast car doesn't make you any 'better' than anyone else, just a person with a fast car, and as we all know; there is always someone faster out there. Let's just enjoy our cars, our races and our wins, and not nit-pick and over-analyze the act of racing to the point of making it something else to fret over. Life is too short. Worry about cancer, economic depressions, the Bomb, bad tacos, whatever. Take Street Racing as the unique and personal 'sport' it is and always has been; done for instant gratification and maybe a bit of momentary joy in winning, which is all to hard to find in this life. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif |
damn quantam..did you miss an appointment wiht your therapist? i sense alot of deep seded anger there..i was under the impression that this board was expressly here for "bragging" about your victories..we can all spot the people who exaggerate and they are usually called on it..i love my mustang, and when i go out and am fortunate enough to beat someone, i come on this board and post it..not to brag, but beacuse i know most people here can relate to the feeling of winning a competition (this one just being one car vs another) and being psyched when you get to beat someone..i think you're reading into this WAY too deep..As for me i think i may have posted 3 races on this board..one of them was a post about losing twice in one day..i just dont get what you're saying i guess, but most people here seem to be good sports about winning and losing and none really seem to "brag" as much as you are implying...oh well, thats my .02..
and old expression does come to mind though...."It aint braggin, if it's true" http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif |
Just curious, do you ever street race Mr 5 0? I don't think I can remember ever seeing you post a street racing story and being the moderator of the forum you must have some sort of intrest in it....
------------------ 92 AOD GT, K&N, ram air, pulleys, 2 ch. flowmasters, 4:10's, shift kit, 1 5/8 mac longtubes and offroad hpipe 14.249 @ 97.34 mph before the headers and hpipe |
I think alot of the users posting in this thread simply fail to understand my purpose behind this post. I like Mr 5.0's post very much, however there are a few things I don't agree with. I never said anything about not feeling joy when winning. As I have said before, I love winning as much as all of you. I think everyone should be able to understand that when racing someone, the fun should not be in winning, the fun should be in racing. Sure, it is more fun to win, but I enjoy racing almost as much as I enjoy winning. I realize that most of the posts in this forum are within the guidlines of the forum, so I guess I'm not just questioning the few posts that break the forums guidlines by trashtalking, I'm also questioning the forum as a whole. Call me old fashioned, call me PC, maybe it's the fact that I'm from a southern town where everyone is fairly kind to each other, but in my opinion there is nothing like a good ole friendly race. The races I enjoy the most are the ones where both cars are so close that each driver stuggles as hard as they can to pull ahead and no one does. Because, in my opinion one could identify with a fellow driver best if neither was the loser and neither was the winner. My all-time favorite street race that I have participated in was while driving around town and a black 5.0 t-bird, same year as my cougar, pulled up next to me and threw me a rev. We raced up to about 80 at which point we slowed down and both almost instinctively pulled over into a parking lot where we both popped our hoods and began to rant about our cars. Neither of us had ever seen another cougar/tbird that had anything done to it. And it turned out that this guy was someone I went to elementary school with. I had never been friends with him, but to this day I have never had more respect for an almost perfect stranger.
------------------ Michael Black Quantum Motorsports Norman, Oklahoma 1988 Merc Cougar 5.0 HO, P&Ped heads, 2.25" custom mandrel bent dual pipes, T5 five speed tranny 15.43 @ 91.08mph (not shabby for a 3600 pound car) 60' 2.453 Street tires suck!!! |
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It kinda annoys me that there used to be more camraderie and respect among street racers, because that's definitely not the case anymore. I'm showing my gray hairs by saying this, but it used to be a lot more fun in the 80s when the only "enemies" we had were cops. ------------------ '91 LX Procharger, 3 row intercooler, extrude honed Cobra intake, Mac full Length Headers, 30# inj., 73mm C&L, 75mm tb, E303 cam, 289 rods, ported E7 heads, MSD, T-Rex w/255 lph Walbro, 5 lug conversion, Cobra R wheels, 3.27 gears and Moser Axles. [This message has been edited by NO SLO PK (edited 01-01-2001).] |
alot of people got alot to say on this subject. I just look at it like this it is the same as in sport u are going to be proud of ur team this case mustang. There are classy was of doing it and then u can be a jerk about it. Which one u choose is up to u. Just remeber when u are braging about how fast ur car is what u thought when the guy across the street was doing the same thing. It was probably something like I yeah right ur car sucks i can whip it anyday or damn i hate this guy doesn't he ever sut up.
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This may be a repeat post of information (I didn't read all of them, no time). I just wanted to say that it was mentioned by "Quantum" that he now knows what kind of people post here. Yeah, I do too. Very humble, respectable people. If you look back about 3 or 4 months of posts, I asked the guys and girls here to post their worst losses. They were more than open to post them and also added that they learn from their losses as much, if not more, than their wins. I just think it was the way the topic was presented. Seriously, go back and check it out if it goes back that far. You'll see a bunch of stories where the guys herre have lost and were very willing to talk about it. Just my 2 cents...
------------------ 1997 Cobra (Black on black), C+L 80mm MAF, K+N filter, Pro 5.0 shifter, BBK Springs, Taylor Wires, 2 Chamber Flows, ASP Pulleys, BBK off road H pipe. |
Yep, i remember that, i remeber repying a time a porsch 928 or 944 made me look like i grabbed the emergency brake, he spanked me http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/frown.gif but that was then, and i'll.....ehh http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif no trash talkin on this one http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif j/k
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"I think everyone should be able to understand that when racing someone, the fun should not be in winning, the fun should be in racing."??? Wouldn't that be kinda like watching the Super Bowl and they didn't keep score? This politically correct idea that we can all be winners, that losing is harmful to one's self esteem blows my mind. If you want the thrill of winning a race, put some money into your car or work on your launch until you win, but for God's sake don't tell me that beating on my chest and jumping up and down when I found out that all the work I've been putting into my 'stang for the last six months allowed me to beat a blown '95 GT convertible is WRONG!
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The only thing I'm wondering is, people talk trash about cars they beat but they have limits on cars they would run?The way I look at it is a race is a race.I'll run any oncomers,not because I got a big head,I like to race.Look at it like the movie Any Given Sunday, on any day u can win or lose,take the chance to race the guy u know should beat u.One last thing I would like to say is everyone talks trash now and again,u just need to know when the trash needs taken out.
------------------ 85 capri,balanced .030 over 79 302,windage tray polished/weight matched rods w/arp bolts.63 289 heads port/polish with FMS windsor springs. Torker 289 intake,514 solidcam,1.6rr.mac long tubes,off-road h,and pro dumps.T-5`4.10's on auburn HD carrier.NOS CHEATER kit,pullies and plenty more.Best NA run 1.683 60ft 7.837 @ 87 12.353 @ 109.05 NOS,11.21@ 116 1.49 60ft |
That brings up another point. Several people have said that they pick their races carefully and that's why they haven't lost. If you know you're going to win, what fun is that? It's not the gambling that excites you, nor just the fact that you are racing fast cars, it's the plain and simple fact that you won a competition. That is unhealthy. I mean, there are several reasons why I haven't made my car into a 13 second car or a 10 second car, I could have, I definately have had the money at times to do just that. I guess to me, just having a car that is fun to drive and fun to race is enough to keep me happy. And I've got better things to spend my money on. I've also got things that I have to spend money on other than my car. And I'm proud of that. I'm proud that all of my earnings don't go into something that really doesn't mean all that much. Some of my best friends and the people I respect more than anyone drive minivans, nissan sentras, VW bugs. I have a lot of friends that drive mustangs and other ford cars, but who cares. Just because someone drives a ford doesn't mean they are a good person, and I'm not trying to piss anyone off, but I think that's been proven several times in this thread.
------------------ Michael Black Quantum Motorsports Norman, Oklahoma 1988 Merc Cougar 5.0 HO, P&Ped heads, 2.25" custom mandrel bent dual pipes, T5 five speed tranny 15.43 @ 91.08mph (not shabby for a 3600 pound car) 60' 2.453 Street tires suck!!! [This message has been edited by QuantumMotorsports (edited 01-02-2001).] |
Quantum, you have issues. You are basically attacking the integrity of the people that frequent this board. I have a solution for you. If you do not like it, don't come here. It's that simple. We don't care that you have other things to put money into, I do too. I am into computers just as much as my car, I split my extra money on mods for each one.
The fact of the matter is most of us have relatively fast cars, some of us have really fast cars. Hell, when people ask me if my car is fast I say no, its quick. But the fact is I run low 12 second 1/4's, there isn't too much around here that will beat me, yes there are some LS1's and a few Vipers, and I will be the first to tell you I have lost to both. Hell I even lost to a VW rabbit on steroids, off the bottle though. But I will tell you that story anytime. I know I am rambling here, but you have struck a nerve with me. The basic fact is, you came in here and attacked the whole forum, what did you expect, dinner invitations. I realize you drive a 15 sec car and another thing is one of your posts was made not too far after 12 on New Years which leads me to believe you weren't doing too much and maybe that upset you. Bottom line is if you don't like it here you don't have to be here! Noone is holding a gun to your head, leave now and take what you have left of your dignity. Sorry for the rant guys, but I was over this guy after the his post. |
As I have always said:
To each his own. We all do the things we do for different reasons. That is our choice. So why is there a need for criticism here? You have an appreciation for automobiles as do all of us. What we choose to do with them is our choice. It is a hobby that can be taken to any extent that we care to. Street racing is done for the fun of it. Above all, that is the main reason why we do it. Coming out with the victory is just icing on the cake and I think we can all agree on that. I would venture to say that most of us turn most of our own wrenches on our cars. With this in mind we have a greater appreciation for our work and our investment. You are happy with your car and it's performance, that is great. However, some of us strive for a little bit more and that's our choice. So what is wrong with this? Nobody likes a sore loser and what's worse is a sore winner. However, both are out there, that's just a part of it. We just have to blow it off and move on. I always appreciate the experiences our members share here. 99.9% of them are done so with excellent taste. Seems there is always a "thumbs up" to the winner OR loser. What's more is their willingness to post their losses right along with their victories, again, all in excellent taste. Is this an attribute of a trash talker?? I think not. I dont see a lot of trash talking here so I am a bit unsure of how you can justify some of your remarks with respect to the members here at Mustang Works. Sure, there are always an exception to every rule but look at the big picture. Also, most of us DID start out with slow cars, we've seen both sides of the coin which contributes to an even greater appreciation for our cars. Again, to each his own. ------------------ SVO siamesed 351 stroked to 417ci,Yates heads, solid roller,Trans King glide and a little blue bottle of giggle gas. My Car |
My only street loss last year was to a modded, nitroused WS6. Followed closely by a few DEAD NUTZ runs with Turbolx.
The track is a different story. I lose at least half the time there. But they trailer their cars there, and are basically total drag cars. When I lose, I post. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif ------------------ 1988 Mustang GT 12.0 @ 121 on radials S-trim Vortech sitting in a box! |
Hey Michael,
Where the heck is Quantum Motorsports? Do you own this shop? Is this a shop? Do you have a website? After showing us your woossy side, aren't you scared we won't encourage your business? We want to win! I'm not trying to bad mouth, but I have been noticing this Quantum Motorsport signature a lot. ------------------ Lizard King - 00GT http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs...1393-slot3.jpg >> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock. "I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors |
Hmmmm. Quantum, I wonder if you were refering to me when you made the comment about the ones who choose there races.
Its not that I look for easy pray, but if someone pulls up next to me in a ferrari, or say a Z06, I'm not even going to bother. I like good challenges, and I'm up for them. I prefer to race cars that are either just as powerfull as mine, or alittle more powerfull, not 3 notches above me. The reason for this is, if the cars are compriable, it relies more on the drivers skill than the machines power. Oh racing is fun, its better than sex to me. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif I'm just saying I wont pick a fight with a 2000 or 2001 Camaro SS right at the moment because my driving skills with a manual could use some work, and i would need every driving advantage possible to beat a car with that much more power than mine. Yes racing is fun, but winning the race makes things oh so good. I'm not a sore loser or a bad sport, I just hate losing. Now if I'm in a real good mood, and feeling kinda happy, I might pick a fight with a SS or a Vette, but usually I tend to be more realistic than that. I guess what I consider fun differs from yours Quantum. I'll race with the Camaro Z28's and FireBird TA's and Formulas, Mustangs, hell even cobras and even the imports. But if you start talking about the high end machines like Vettes, 911's, NSX's and similar cars, it doesnt intrest me. I guess I take my street racing to serouily. Maybe thats it. ------------------ 64 1/2 Red Mustang Coupe. 289, C4, 3:1 rear gear. Mallory duel point. Ported & Polished 65 heads shaved .01 with 351 windsor valves, high side of 10.5:1 comp, 1.7:1 sled rockers, blue wolverine lumpy cam, autolite 4100 Hipo 4 barrel. And to many others to list 2000 Perf Red Mustang GT. 5spd. 64 1/2 red 6cyl coupe. Auto. project car. |
So Mercury
What would you do if a 2000 Porsches 911 Carrera 4 would pull to you and ask you if your machine moves? http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...ard/tongue.gif ------------------ Lizard King - 00GT http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs...1393-slot3.jpg >> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock. "I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors |
BTW Mercury,
THE 99-01 GT is direct competition on the 1/4 to any NSX ... stock being stock. Motortrend says NSX is a 13.8 car and the stang a 14.0. ------------------ Lizard King - 00GT http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs...1393-slot3.jpg >> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock. "I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors |
I didnt know that Lizard King. Learned something new today. If I ever pull up next to one of the 5 or 6 that are in Fayetteville I wont hesitate then.
Oh and if a guy in a Cararea 911 pulls up next to me and asks if my Stang can move. I'll say "but of course it moves, its a car. " http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif No, Id probably say yeah, but not as fast as theres, and hell maybe I'd show him how it can move. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif |
Lizard Queen, oops, King,
I am an 18 year old highschool student in Norman Oklahoma. I do any and all kinds of automotive repairs and modifications in my garage for fun and extra money. I actually have quite a bit of business for a one person shop. Enough to be busy three weeks out of the month. I don't think I have to worry about you encouraging my business. I will do any mod that someone pays me to do on their car, but I choose not to do certain mods to my car for many reasons. I have cars that I have worked on beat me all the time and cars that I haven't beat me all the time. I also win against cars I have and haven't worked on. I think if there is any one quality that people should strive to have it is versatility. The ability to do many things and understand many things. I can completely understand wanting to win, and I can understand wanting to talk about winning. What I wanted to know from posting this is if anyone could understand being okay with losing and wanting to talk about losing as much as winning. Like I've said time and time again, losing and telling people about it shows character. So I just want to ask you guys who don't get that, did your parents hug your big brother more than you when you were little or something? Anyone who has taken any psychology classes (you would have had to actually gone to highschool) would know that a lot of people who cannot live without competing and winning have inferiority complexes. Not trying to say anything about any of you stangers, because you're my friends. ------------------ Michael Black Quantum Motorsports Norman, Oklahoma 1988 Merc Cougar 5.0 HO, P&Ped heads, 2.25" custom mandrel bent dual pipes, T5 five speed tranny 15.43 @ 91.08mph (not shabby for a 3600 pound car) 60' 2.453 Street tires suck!!! |
oh boy...
------------------ '92 emerald coupe, no air silencer, bored stock MAF to 60mm, sub-frames welded, strut tower brace, 180 thermo, 16 deg's, K'n'N panel, bosh platniums, u.d. pullies, off road h-pipe, hurst "stir stick", fms 3.73's. otherwise, factory original. best 1/4 = 13.264@ 100.89mph with a 1.824 60 ft. on turbines with 235/60-R15 BFG DR's |
Hey Lizard King, be careful not to lead young Mercury astray. '97 issue of Motortrend reads:
'96 NSX-T = 14.3/99.3 '97 NSX-T = 13.3/106.7 '95 Cobra R = 13.8/102.0 '96 Cobra = 14.0/101.7 DISCLAIMER: Motortrend drove it, not me http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif ------------------------------- '79 Mustang Coup 4" Cowl Weld wheels (15x6;15x8) Stock 5.8L C4 w/ shift kit 1.5" MAC full length headers Holley 750 CFM Edelbrock intake 2.5" Off road H-pipe 8.8" Rear end w/ 2.73:1 gears (sucks!) Front: 225/60/15 Rear: 255/60/15 Eagle GT II Sucky Purolator air filter that's choking my car. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...gboard/mad.gif |
Dude,
Come down off your cloud for a few.. You talk down to the poeple your are referring to. That makes you the same as them. Just because they "gloat" after a win they are bad people?? When I run someone its a blast! Whether I win or lose, I get alittle pissed when I lose but only at myself or my car. Thats just human nature. You seem to portray yourself as being enlightend, well you really make your self look stupid when you try and talk down to poeple that dont talk about losing or talk trash when they win. You are doing the same thing just in a different context. |
I think some of us here have gone to high school, college, and on to graduate studies. I'd venture to say some of us have had a few classes in psychology. None that I ever had taught that the goal of competition was anything but to win. That is not to say win at all costs. That is not to say one should cheat. That is not to say one should gloat. It is fair to say that the win or loss should be posted, just as the winner of the OU/Florida State game will be posted in tomorrow's news paper.
Rev ------------------ '66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph 1/4 mi. |
MercuryOne of my good friends owns a 2000 911 Carrera 4 ...
He can only pull 1 car lengh away from me on the quarter. We are actually door to door up to 3rd gear (70MPH). Also the Carrera 4, is hard as heck to launch... if you go to hard they bounce, if you go to soft they choke. Chances are good of cleaning one with your 2000GT. Fox Body True 97 NSX-T is faster and 96 NSX-T is slower, than a 2000GT... but chances of finding a modified one are slimer than any other ricers. Parts for NSX are impossible to find and expensive as heck. NSX against 2000GT would a horse race. You bet on the driver. Micheal Black: I respect your view on things. Afterall, who likes the loud mouth that always exagerates about his wins??? But you must admit these are that these loud mouths are the people that add color to whole racing scene. They are SOB that some upgrade their vehicles to beat. BTW, do you why you are getting so much response from this post? People like to hate people that think like you. "Loser complain about doing their best,... Winners go home to ****** the prom queen" Sean Connery - The Rock Who agrees with me? ------------------ Lizard King - 00GT http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs...1393-slot3.jpg >> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock. "I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors |
Lizard, why would people hate someone who wants people to treat someone they defeat with respect?
------------------ Michael Black Quantum Motorsports Norman, Oklahoma 1988 Merc Cougar 5.0 HO, P&Ped heads, 2.25" custom mandrel bent dual pipes, T5 five speed tranny 15.43 @ 91.08mph (not shabby for a 3600 pound car) 60' 2.453 Street tires suck!!! |
Your funny...
------------------ Lizard King - 00GT http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs...1393-slot3.jpg >> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock. "I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors |
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