What's up with all the trash talk?

[QuantumMotorsports]

Okay, maybe what I'm trying to say has been misunderstood or maybe I haven't gone about saying it correctly. I have nothing wrong with talking about racing, I have nothing wrong with talking about beating people. I guess it's possible that even though some of your stories sound like bragging they might not be, that's for you alone to decide. My post was pointed towards the (apparently) few people who post stories of victories that are simply posted for self improvement in their own eyes. Most of the people posting here with an opposite opinion I have never even read a post from that was rude or bragging. Maybe my post found it's way into the eyes of the few people who truly do not mean to be disrespectful by talking about a street race victory. But I still believe that if you truly did not mean to talk down about the people you beat that would mean you could sympathize with them which would usually mean that you could understand my opinion. I would hope that if someone were to read my post and dissagree that they could simply say "Hey man, we're just having fun. We're not trying to make anybody feel bad. Sure there are people who truly talk trash and I probably am guilty of a little(because everyone has done it, including me), but we're just having a good time and when someone beats me(notice I say when, instead of if, because it will happen), I'd be perfectly fine if they posted the story on here. As a matter of fact, I'd probably laugh along with them cause damn, they have a fast freaking car that totally smoked my *** like I was their ***** ." If someone were to post a reply of that nature, I could respect them.

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Michael Black
Quantum Motorsports
Norman, Oklahoma

1988 Merc Cougar 5.0 HO, P&Ped heads, 2.25" custom mandrel bent dual pipes, T5 five speed tranny
15.43 @ 91.08mph (not shabby for a 3600 pound car)
60' 2.453 Street tires suck!!!

[Mercury]

Quantum Motor Sports.

I understand and see your point of view. Yes and it does seem that most victors ego's get rather inflated. I try to show respect to the fellow competitor.

But when I hear the driver of the car next to me (This really happened once) tell his girl, "Watch me smoke that slow peice of Antique Sh$t" (refering to my 64 1/2 coupe), I feel in a way justified to gloat after I beat his driving skills and his 90 5.0 LX.

But as mentioned earlier, I respect my fellow competitors, for I am not better than them. They may be a real good driver, I just happened to catch them on an off day. Hey it happens.

I do think of myself as an above average driver though. Maybe some of these Street racers here in Fayetteville can use me for them roleModel. Just kidding.

Oh, and another loss of mine in my 64 1/2 that I remembered (I asked my cruising partner Eric tonight if he remembered any races that I lost. I had forgot one.) Its an embbarrasing one too. :O

I lost to an import about 3 1/2 years ago. My 64 coupe wasnt nearly as built up then as it is now and my racing skills sucked bad (hey we all gotta start sometime). I dont know what it was, but I do remeber the large, loud sucking sound it made when he blew by me. He beat me bad though. My friend says it was an Integra or something, I say it was late 80's Supra.



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64 1/2 Red Mustang Coupe. 289, C4, 3:1 rear gear. Mallory duel point. Ported & Polished 65 heads shaved .01 with 351 windsor valves, high side of 10.5:1 comp, 1.7:1 sled rockers, blue wolverine lumpy cam, autolite 4100 Hipo 4 barrel. And to many others to list

2000 Perf Red Mustang GT. 5spd.

64 1/2 red 6cyl coupe. Auto. project car.

[cleanLX]

Well, Mr. Quantum, it seems your opinion is being swayed. But I must add my own two cents.
I have been reading this list for nearly a year. My first impressions where as yours, however, before I mouthed off I decided to read for a while and get a feel for these guys. Look at their times, they are back to basics grass roots muscle car enthusiasts, who post out of utter glee and/or astonishment in their achievements.
If you care to stick around, and read what these guys’s have to say, you will undoubtedly pick up on a sense of camaraderie, which could only be replaced by personal relations.
As I say, I have been reading here for nearly a year, and having learned what these guys are about, finally decided to post a situation I found myself in. Unfortunately I had to tell the truth, as these guy’s always seem to do, and it was about being beat by a Honda of some sort, maybe an Accura, how the heck you spell it I’m not sure. They all responded with ha ha’s, Great story etc, and on guy even balled up to say “you probably made his day” That does not sound like a bunch of gloat-miesters to me.
Racing is a sport, and I for one do not know of anybody that takes part in a sport with intentions of loosing. Having said that, winning at a sport often means you enjoy recounting the moment with people who share a similar interest. I sure hope you feel differently when Dan Marino, Micheal Jordan, Wayne Gretkzy, Cal Ripken, Lance Armstrong etc, share great moments in their careers on national broadcast mediums.
This is a mustang owners/enthusiasts board where sharing such events takes place. It’s not like we are on some Honda board mouthing off and stirring it up, that I would consider un-sportsman like and trash talk.
No offense to Honda owners, they build some great vehicles. I choose rear wheel drive, and the only one Honda makes, quite frankly, I doubt I’ll ever be able justify the sticker price.

Have a happy new year all…

Quantam I have always been a respectful winner AND loser. If I beat someone I always tell them what is done to my car if they ask. Or if they beat me then I will want to talk to them and see what they run. (These situations are only true when you are not street racing for money).

I have street raced for money many times. However, I have street raced more without money on the line. I am pretty involved with the street racing scene. I have had my share of wins and losses.

The only time when I start to get upset is when someone puts my car down. I have talked trash, it was a time when a supposed friend and I raced and he lied about it and said my car was a slow pos for having the mods that I had done to my car (Read '98SS story, in street racers forum).

I agree and see where you are coming from, but its everywhere. I was an all state middle linebacker at 5'10" 165lbs. I used to take so much crap from people that were bigger than me, saying they were going to declete me. Instead of going down onto their level, I focussed all of my anger into kicking their *** with my pads.

The philosophy that I carry into all competitive events: I respect all who compete, even trash talkers, but they will get what is coming to them. But if you can't defeat them then you must bite down and take it like a man.

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88GT stock shortblock, ported GT-40 iron heads, ported Edlebrock Performer intake, 24# inj, Pro-M 75mm Bullet MAM, 3.73, hurst short throw, F-303, electric fan, alum rad, FMS HD clutch, R134a ac conversion, 70mm TB , and some other stuff I probably forgot, best run so far on ET streets is 13.02@106 with a 1.87 60ft.

[Fox Body]

CleanLX, man, that was touching. I don't know if I could have stated it any better (seriously).
But I guess this is a small lesson for all of us just reminding us (whether we have been guilty or not) to be careful how to relate our stories. I guess.

[Rev]

Does this mean I should reconsider the "Stomped the **** out of a POS ricer" post that I was getting ready to write? LOL.

Rev

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'66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph
1/4 mi.

[cleanLX]

ya, good point.

[Skyman]

Quantum, what are you complaining about? I have been reading your posts here for a while and you always have good input. But here I really don't know what your going at.
People post their kills here thats the point. It doesn't say to post your loses, but people still post those too! Sometimes we dont like to let everyone know about being beat on. Also alot of people here have quick cars and don't pick on other cars that are way faster than them.

As you can see I have been here much longer than you have and I have seen many many loses.

Take my car for example. I run mid/high 13's on the street with street tires and I have honestly beat everyone in my town. Ive only lost to a supercharged saleen about a year and a half ago when I had no exhaust and no fuel system upgrades or tuning. Ive re-raced him since and beat him. So I'm close to undefeated and my car isnt even that fast.

Honestly I think your cranky because your car only runs 15's and you can't see how running just a second or two faster makes a lot of guys win races. Ride in a 13sec car. The difference is amazing. I pulled a 15.4@90mph in my stock integra.

Skyler

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-1989 Saleen Mustang #406-
TFS Heads, Edelbrock intake, E-303, 3.73's, 1 5/8 shorty headers, Offroad-Hpipe, 2chamber flows, 36psi FPR, playing with timing still, 70mm tb, 73mm maf, 24lb injectors, K/N, March Crank pulley, MSD6a, 9mm wires and FMS Aluminum driveshaft.
Best ET 13.2@106mph Needs tuning...

[Mr 5 0]

Quantum:

Interesting thread.

I think most of can agree that when one takes the time, trouble and expense to buy or build a fast 'performance' car such as the Mustang V-8, then go to the trouble of taking it to the track or more likely, taking the risk of street racing it, that person is committed to 'performance' (going fast in a short amount of time; like 12 seconds or so) and when they are challenged or challenge another performance car driven by a like-minded person, it's reasonable for that individual to be elated or at least pleased when they win the race. That is simply a human trait.

To pretend that they feel no joy in winning would be 'PC' in the extreme. If that individual then posts the win in this forum (which is it's purpose) then that's a natural action, too, at least for the computer-savvy Mustang driver.

Should the winner bad-mouth his challenger? Depends on the situation of course but as a rule, no. Some Mustang drivers that modify and race their cars are young and/or aggressive and will 'talk trash' after a win; especially if it was unexpected.
That is somewhat regrettable but, within bounds of good taste, not a crime or worth getting too upset over, in my opinion.
Profanity and plain nastyness will be edited or deleted by the moderator(s) but some gloating is permitted. If you find that offensive and feel it indicates some lack of character on the part of the member, you are free to continue this discussion.

I believe that some bragging is just a part of the whole street-racing scene and I'm not offended by it in the least; again, within the bounds of reality and some good taste.

One can be over-sensitive here. As others have pointed out, this is a high-performance, street racing-related forum. To expect folks to downplay their wins and somehow 'balance' things out by posting all losses as well as wins or at least to not be 'too happy' about winning strikes me as an over-reaction and smacks of the absurd PC concept that 'No One Is a Loser' in any contest, as the 'loser' term will harm someone's precious self-esteem. Please. Are we children or adults here?

Losing to some guy with a faster car doesn't harm anyones 'self-esteem' and beating someone else doesn't make anyone a better person; just someone who won a street race, no more or less. Most of us here understand that and respond accordingly to our wins and losses. Those who don't will probably realize (eventually) that a fast car doesn't make you any 'better' than anyone else, just a person with a fast car, and as we all know; there is always someone faster out there.

Let's just enjoy our cars, our races and our wins, and not nit-pick and over-analyze the act of racing to the point of making it something else to fret over. Life is too short. Worry about cancer, economic depressions, the Bomb, bad tacos, whatever.
Take Street Racing as the unique and personal 'sport' it is and always has been; done for instant gratification and maybe a bit of momentary joy in winning, which is all to hard to find in this life.

[teal93LX]

damn quantam..did you miss an appointment wiht your therapist? i sense alot of deep seded anger there..i was under the impression that this board was expressly here for "bragging" about your victories..we can all spot the people who exaggerate and they are usually called on it..i love my mustang, and when i go out and am fortunate enough to beat someone, i come on this board and post it..not to brag, but beacuse i know most people here can relate to the feeling of winning a competition (this one just being one car vs another) and being psyched when you get to beat someone..i think you're reading into this WAY too deep..As for me i think i may have posted 3 races on this board..one of them was a post about losing twice in one day..i just dont get what you're saying i guess, but most people here seem to be good sports about winning and losing and none really seem to "brag" as much as you are implying...oh well, thats my .02..
and old expression does come to mind though...."It aint braggin, if it's true"

[FivepointOH]

Just curious, do you ever street race Mr 5 0? I don't think I can remember ever seeing you post a street racing story and being the moderator of the forum you must have some sort of intrest in it....

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92 AOD GT, K&N, ram air, pulleys, 2 ch. flowmasters, 4:10's, shift kit, 1 5/8 mac longtubes and offroad hpipe 14.249 @ 97.34 mph before the headers and hpipe

[QuantumMotorsports]

I think alot of the users posting in this thread simply fail to understand my purpose behind this post. I like Mr 5.0's post very much, however there are a few things I don't agree with. I never said anything about not feeling joy when winning. As I have said before, I love winning as much as all of you. I think everyone should be able to understand that when racing someone, the fun should not be in winning, the fun should be in racing. Sure, it is more fun to win, but I enjoy racing almost as much as I enjoy winning. I realize that most of the posts in this forum are within the guidlines of the forum, so I guess I'm not just questioning the few posts that break the forums guidlines by trashtalking, I'm also questioning the forum as a whole. Call me old fashioned, call me PC, maybe it's the fact that I'm from a southern town where everyone is fairly kind to each other, but in my opinion there is nothing like a good ole friendly race. The races I enjoy the most are the ones where both cars are so close that each driver stuggles as hard as they can to pull ahead and no one does. Because, in my opinion one could identify with a fellow driver best if neither was the loser and neither was the winner. My all-time favorite street race that I have participated in was while driving around town and a black 5.0 t-bird, same year as my cougar, pulled up next to me and threw me a rev. We raced up to about 80 at which point we slowed down and both almost instinctively pulled over into a parking lot where we both popped our hoods and began to rant about our cars. Neither of us had ever seen another cougar/tbird that had anything done to it. And it turned out that this guy was someone I went to elementary school with. I had never been friends with him, but to this day I have never had more respect for an almost perfect stranger.

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Michael Black
Quantum Motorsports
Norman, Oklahoma

1988 Merc Cougar 5.0 HO, P&Ped heads, 2.25" custom mandrel bent dual pipes, T5 five speed tranny
15.43 @ 91.08mph (not shabby for a 3600 pound car)
60' 2.453 Street tires suck!!!

[NO SLO PK]

Originally posted by QuantumMotorsports:
I'm from a southern town where everyone is fairly kind to each other, but in my opinion there is nothing like a good ole friendly race...I had never been friends with him, but to this day I have never had more respect for an almost perfect stranger.

"Small town" friendliness is great but I'm sad to say it just isn't present anywhere else. Once a sore loser pulled a gun on my cousin after my cousin won by a small margin. Ricers here are always flipping me off, either if I win or if I decline to race.

It kinda annoys me that there used to be more camraderie and respect among street racers, because that's definitely not the case anymore.

I'm showing my gray hairs by saying this, but it used to be a lot more fun in the 80s when the only "enemies" we had were cops.

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'91 LX
Procharger, 3 row intercooler, extrude honed Cobra intake, Mac full Length Headers, 30# inj., 73mm C&L, 75mm tb, E303 cam, 289 rods, ported E7 heads, MSD, T-Rex w/255 lph Walbro, 5 lug conversion, Cobra R wheels, 3.27 gears and Moser Axles.



[This message has been edited by NO SLO PK (edited 01-01-2001).]

[69fastback]

alot of people got alot to say on this subject. I just look at it like this it is the same as in sport u are going to be proud of ur team this case mustang. There are classy was of doing it and then u can be a jerk about it. Which one u choose is up to u. Just remeber when u are braging about how fast ur car is what u thought when the guy across the street was doing the same thing. It was probably something like I yeah right ur car sucks i can whip it anyday or damn i hate this guy doesn't he ever sut up.

[cobrayankee]

This may be a repeat post of information (I didn't read all of them, no time). I just wanted to say that it was mentioned by "Quantum" that he now knows what kind of people post here. Yeah, I do too. Very humble, respectable people. If you look back about 3 or 4 months of posts, I asked the guys and girls here to post their worst losses. They were more than open to post them and also added that they learn from their losses as much, if not more, than their wins. I just think it was the way the topic was presented. Seriously, go back and check it out if it goes back that far. You'll see a bunch of stories where the guys herre have lost and were very willing to talk about it. Just my 2 cents...

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1997 Cobra (Black on black), C+L 80mm MAF, K+N filter, Pro 5.0 shifter, BBK Springs, Taylor Wires, 2 Chamber Flows, ASP Pulleys, BBK off road H pipe.