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Yamaha 750
I saw 3 guys riding together on cafe racers up ahead in traffic. I'm doing my best to get up with them and finally I get a break. I ride behind them for awhile and one of them is doing wheelies and such(pretty cool). They are taking up both lanes when a SUV comes flying up behind them and they make way, I slip in beside them and cruise at their speed to check out their bikes and notice they all seem to be 750s. I give the ol' stang a few stabs to provoke http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif I know what they were thinking "what does this mustang guy think he's doing", I actually expected to get smoked. You are not going to believe what happened next (I'm not sure I do), one of the guys gets right next to me and I see him taking off and his frony end lifting... I'm ready. I slap it back to 2nd and floor it. What's this?? We are next to each other and I just look over and am passing him. Strange feelings, passing a 750 cafe. I looked in the rear view and see his buddys way behind just looking at each other, oh and the smoke from my car(did I mention I still got some tuning to do?). I slow down and we are all cruising together again and the guy who was doing the wheelies is checking out the car then waves, I'm waiting for him to jump but he just waves again so I wave back. He never jumped, we just cruised 'til I had to turn off. Oh and they never looked over again. Man I never thought I could run with a sports bike, but I guess they aren't as fast as I thought. On second thought, maybe the rider just has to have the balls to push it. Either way, it was cool as h3ll.
Its nice to be able to downshift into 2nd again... Where is that damn RX-7!! http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif ------------------ Rick My 89lx(updated 11/5/2000) My 97 Cobra |
First off, let me start this off by saying that I am not trying to flame here....just stating a fact. Most 750 sportbikes will run in the 10's so from a roll, you shouldn't have stood a chance with an experienced rider. Hell, some 600's will run 10's!!! I could see you staying with him off the line with the mods that you have listed but he should have ripped you up top.
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Actually off the line is where I think I would have been smoked bad. The bike was an older bike, mid 80s- early 90s and had been repainted. I sold bikes about 10 years ago and rode a V-Max at that time(got rear-ended while riding it, I sold it immediately, scary). I don't know if the 750 bike of that time was a 10s ride and I've forgotten almost everything I knew about bike except that they are fast and dangerous. I'm thinking of getting another one(guess I'm forgetting how dangerous they are too). All I know is what happened, maybe he didn't downshift. Too bad you weren't riding shotgun, it was awesome. The guy was heavy set, maybe that worked to my favor too.
I was actually waiting for someone to be the sceptic, heck I would be too.... but I was there... DOH! http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif |
Rick,I know how you feel... The first time I actually beat a bike in my car I was like WTF!!!! I had a buddy in my car and some friends were following us when a group of bikes turned on from a side road. A couple of them took off and we caught up to check them out (I am big crotch rocket fan...I drive a GSXR750 whenever weather permits along w/ my friends). I see them look over and a Honda CBR600F3 starts to jump next to me. Well, not wanting to look like a wuss w/ friends around I say screw it a drop 2nd. Amazingly, I pulled him till we let off in 4th. I was exstatic to say the least. They gave a thumbs up and I told them how surprised I was. After that the next week I took my car to the bridge and ran my buddies (one on a 900RR and the other on a ZX9R) I got the jump on them, actually they let me get out about 2 car lengths, but still the CBR900 never caught me and the ZX only passed me after 150mph. I was again surprised, because like said before these are 10sec bikes and I know these guys and I know they can ride like hell!!! What I guess I'm trying to say is that roll racing doesn't really give you a good measure as far as drag racing. There is too much involved in rpm's of 1 vehicle vs. another, but I will admit it is gratifying to see the headlights of a crotch rocket in your rear view know that he knows he can't catch up!!!
-Jason P.S.--Rick,hunt down 900RR's and you will see that they are barely faster than most newer model 600's. Have Fun!! |
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And as far as Jason's comment about 900RR's being barely faster than 600's, that goes the same for comparing most 600's to 900's; the 600's are getting more Hp and getting lighter with better chasis' while the 900's are not making very much improvement horsepower wise....some 600's have better chasis than 900 bikes...a case in point is the 2001 GSXR600...it is barely slower than the 900. |
Don't bikes hook super hard on street tires? I think off the line they'd be more of a challenge also. They don't need much lowend because of their small weights. Up top might be a different story once you're into the powerband and traction isn't as much of an issue in Mustangs.
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Yes...bikes do hook hard as hell, but are limited by the rider's skill, or balls or whatever you wanna call it. I can launch fairly decent on my bike, but there are many times I've been smoked by other bikes off the light. I just started riding last year, but for the most part I can launch on most street cars easily! As far as at the track I'm sure I'd get yanked by a slicked big cubed monster. The only way a car may have a chance against a bike out of the hole on the street would be on concrete w/ slicks and one mean *** launch....unless you run against some unnervy riders.
------------------ 351w...best E/T to date 12.59@114mph on BFG Radial T/A's |
Hey Jason, its nice to know someone else has surprised a bike. It felt great!! I told a guy at work about it and he said he wanted to race me, he said I'll give you a lead. HAHAH He has a serious bike, a R1 (I guess that's serious). Last night I told him I'd expect to lose but I said " what if you give me the lead and never catch me??". ROFL... You should have seen the look on his face. I asked him tonight if he was ready to go and he was like "naw man I ain't ready" Kinda shrugged his shoulders and started talking about something else.
People always ask why everyone talks so much trash all the time, that's why - its fun!(when its good natured ofcourse) |
I have to disagree with the comment that most 750's run 10's I would say the average 750 would run mid 11's with a normal competent rider, the only real fast 750 is the GXSR witch could probably hit high 10's with a normal rider and mid 10's with a good rider. Next tire you got to the track ask to look at a couple of bikes ticket I bet most only have 1.6-1.7 60ft. why because most cant ride them good enough to get the most out of them.
Also if the biker does not know his bike well enough to know which gear to kick it down to he could loose easily because of the narrow power band of most jap bikes. |
Rick...Guess he (the guy w/ the R1) is scared of hurting his pride HEHE!!! Just beware of that R1 they are fast as **** ...waxed my buddies ZX9R which is the fastest out of our group (GSXR750, CBR900RR, R6). Guess you could keep yanking his chain for an intimidation factor that may cause him to goof up when it comes time to run. Good Luck!!!
-Jason ------------------ 351w...best E/T to date 12.59@114mph on BFG Radial T/A's |
To this I'd have to point out the extreme differences in the performance level from just about 5 year old bikes to todays models.
Say about a '93 600 rocket will make right around 65-70hp. Today they are making between low and high 90's. That's a huge difference. The early 90's 750's I've seen make about 75hp. The new ones make in the low 100's. The last stock dyno I've seen on a 900RR was just plain pathetic. 117hp max, the Ninja ZX9R made 134hp. That's a huge difference. The Hayabusa on the dyno made 154hp. Keep in mind, these are RWHP numbers. The 900RR is just plain doggy compared to the Ninja, which as unbelieveable as it seems made over 120hp for 3500rpms. Just as long as the Hayabusa did. The 9R pulled so strong and so flat, unreal, the 'Bus of course would have managed it longer, but you run out of rpm's to keep pushing. Of course if you were to say, ahem... put a 997 big bore kit and play with the 900RR motor a little, I've seen it change from the stock numbers to numbers that challange the Hayabusa. Even a well driven near stock 5.0 can hang with a early 90's 600 on a roll above 40mph. I can usually beat them. The 750's would of course be more difficult, but it's the hole shot and 0-60 that gives them such a huge advantage. |
Nice dream guys.......it's time to wake up.
12.59 @ 114 is going to beat a 900rr. I don't think so. Stock 5.0 will beat most 90's 600. Wrong again. ------------------ 93 ex FHP 5spd,3.08,16' pony wheels with GoodYear GSC's,ac,ps,pb that's it. MODS. Mac cld.air kit,short belt,relocate ACT sensor to driver side fender well,moved batt. to the trunk. 135K and still going. Best ET 13.834 @100.6 mph Best 60' 1.99 |
I heard that.....
I trap 120+ and still just creep by new 600's on the freeway. I know a 900 would hand me my a$$. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif |
If you have a car that can run solid 12s, I would say you have a good chance with some older 600s. New 600s are at or over 100hp at the wheel. The new GSXR750 is in the 120 range.
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That 12.59 is run on radials w/ a pathetic 2.18+ 60ft'r. My car is capable of dipping into the eleven's and that best of was about 2 years ago at the track. Since then there have been a few mods for improvements as well as tuning. Make sure you know the car before you speak...I've been lazy about track and dyno time..these are old figures, but I don't like to guesstimate what I'm at now so I just tell the truth saying that's the best known of time. I could easily lie and say 11.80 @120+, but I'm not like that.
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------------------ 351w...best E/T to date 12.59@114mph on BFG Radial T/A's |
Also if you read my post they (the 900rr and zx9r) let me have the jump by about 2 cars which translates roughly to .5 seconds+ because of time to react, distance, etc. I never said I beat the 900rr or zx from a stand still or an even roll-on, just that when they gave me the jump the 900RR couldn't run me down..the ZX9R passed me at 150mph+. If you don't believe me I can have them post for verification or whatnot. On the other hand I can and have beat several 600F3's and 1 or 2 ZX7R (if you know about bikes then you know the ZX7R is about the slowest performance 700 out there..at least the mid 90's models).
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As far as a 900RR handing you your A**.. I think you'd be surprised. My brother has a new R6 that stays dead even w/ the '95 900RR till the top of 4th about 140mph give or take 5mph. We've swapped riders to see if it was driving capability but it isn't...the R6 is light as a feather even compared to my light 750, the 900RR might as well be a Greyhound bus if you want to compare weights. The 900RR only has about 20rwhp on the R6. Also are the bikes you guys race stock or not. You can't tell by looking and just something as simple as exhaust will give them 10hp...doesn't sound like much but when your bike weighs only 400lbs thats alot.
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I almost beat my employees 1992 Kawasaki 500EX bike... actually I was not even close once he hit 60MPH.
That bike (rough shap) was probably running 13.0 I have a problem with the whole concept of beating any 750s sportsbikes unless your car is on the track with slicks, supercharger, nos... the works. Bike has 100HP+ and about 400lbs. Your car has 260HP??? 3500lbs?? Ratio not even close. I choose to flame and disagree. ------------------ Lizard King - 00GT http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs...1393-slot3.jpg >> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock. "I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors |
Lizard King are you saying you don't believe me?? http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif Really you don't?? Oh well, Wish you were there!!
------------------ Rick My 89lx(updated 11/5/2000) My 97 Cobra |
Actually, now that I think about it I've put plenty of $$$ in this car and whether you believe me or not makes no difference, none whatsoever. But if you want to try it first hand your welcome to. (I've come to the point where I've put so much $$ into the car I don't even care, if I lose I lose ....if I win... The bragging rights are mine!!!!)
No wait... you choose to flame not disagree... Ok you run 13.6s and I ran 13.8s before the new motor. I'm assumming 11s for my ride right now. I could be wrong it could be 12s or maybe 10s.. its hard to tell til you get it on the track. So that being the case, I'll say 11.6s just for the hell of it. .1 of a second is a car length so 2.0 of a seconds is ummm... 20 car lengths?? So you think you could take that ex500 with 20 car lengths???????? Don't flame me!! I don't lie!! ------------------ Rick My 89lx(updated 11/5/2000) My 97 Cobra [This message has been edited by rbatson (edited 01-21-2001).] |
To believe or not believe... hmmm, your story may be completly true. I'm thinking the bike had a passenger, maybe he did not want to go all out.
I'm saying this and I'm not familiar with your E.T.s, but unless your runing in the 11s, I doubt you can stick with a 750 sportsbike... Math again 100HP+, 400lbs... your car would need at least 750HP to keep up if it ways 3000lbs. Does my math make sense? I'm not sure if you can divide HP to weight ratio like I did. All I know is a 750 will run in the 11s, unless it has problems. ------------------ Lizard King - 00GT http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs...1393-slot3.jpg >> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock. "I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors |
Wait just a damn minute. Check my mods before you go flaming!!
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Never mind the mods. What is your E.T. as you stand?
I beleive your story... but do you think the bike was givin' you an all out ride (with a passenger)? 'Baby, Light my fire...' - The Doors ------------------ Lizard King - 00GT http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs...1393-slot3.jpg >> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock. "I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors |
He didn't have a passenger! I went to cycleworld and they had no problem believing I beat a 750 yzf from a roll. That bike had 108 hp, from what I was told. My car weighed 3500# without me when I last had it weighed, before the new motor. I had a VMax and that thing weight almost 600#, so I don't believe that 750 weighed 400# with his heavy *** on it. Yes I can do math, I went to school for an engineering degree so I think I can do simple math!
Whether he could give the bike its all I don't know. I slowed down to 30 mph to give him of his friends a chance to redeem themselves and all I got was a wave. |
Your E.T.??? 1/4 mile time...???
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BTW, my father in law has a 1300 Hyabusa (fastest production bike or even vehicle on the planet)
It ways 476lbs. That things hit 100MPH in 4 seconds flat. The R1 (1000cc) ways 380lbs, 4.5 seconds to 100. And even at 600lbs... the 750s is within 1/6 HP to LBs ratio. Does your car have over 500hps? I stand corrected if does. CHECK THIS OUT: http://acura.jynx.net/movies/cbr1100.asf ------------------ Lizard King - 00GT http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs...1393-slot3.jpg >> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock. "I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors |
As I said before, I haven't had my car to the track yet. We are estimating it to be around 470hp. Whether you believe me or not makes no difference(as stated before). I expected some skeptics but not a flaming lizard king..
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Allright, that's it, i'm dropping my hockey gloves... hehehe.
Flames or not, I'm glad you swipped him. Dude, you drive a stang. I always go for the home team. Did you check out the video. If yes, isn't that crazy??? He hit 160KM (100MPH) in 4 seconds... look at it and time it. COMPLETELY FUBAR. ------------------ Lizard King - 00GT http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs...1393-slot3.jpg >> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock. "I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors |
Look at the little dude... it's flamin'
http://www.trainboard.com/smiles/091.gif hehehe... You guys should take a look here: http://www.trainboard.com/smiles/ |
Like I said FLAMING;
http://www.trainboard.com/smiles/003.gif http://www.trainboard.com/smiles/008.gif http://www.trainboard.com/smiles/062.gif [img]http://www.trainboard.com/smiles/058.gif ------------------ Lizard King http://www.trainboard.com/smiles/048.gif- 00GT http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs...1393-slot3.jpg >> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock. "I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors |
Little critters; last try. http://www.trainboard.com/smiles/071.gif http://www.trainboard.com/smiles/073.gif http://www.trainboard.com/smiles/082.gif http://www.trainboard.com/smiles/101.gif http://www.trainboard.com/smiles/99.gif
------------------ Lizard King http://www.trainboard.com/smiles/048.gif- 00GT http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs...1393-slot3.jpg >> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock. "I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors |
Hey, it's me from right up the road...where did you race this dude at? That would have been some **** down, say...south college...or market st! http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif
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Bikes are not the unbeatable machines some of you make them out to be.
It takes a good rider to get most new 600s in the 11s or faster. They are very touchy!! Launch RPM and shift points have to be right on. Older 750s are pretty much.. well dogs... hell my old 95 ZX9R "only" ran a low 11 with me on it. From the factory its listed as a 10.80 bike(with Rickey Gadson riding). and the older 900RRs are slower than that I believe... I dont see a reason to doubt his story. What his old ET was is phucing pointless cause the car is different now. |
It would appear that some of the self proclaimed bike experts here know very little about them in the real world.
No early or mid 90's 600 has even close to 100hp. They all dyno in at about 65hp. The 750's crank out a few more, like mid 70's. Not 120. The 900RR currently made doesn't even crank out 120rwhp. The new 600's do not dyno at over 100rwhp. They dyno in the mid 90's. So please, if you want some respect, and you want to be able to prove your point, know what you're talking about before you start jabbering. I see somebody brought the Hayabusa into the argument. Come on, do you really think the very lightweight for it's size, 1300cc, 150hp, ultra modern king of the sportbikes has jack **** in common with the run of the mill early's 90's 750? Let's be real. That's like comparing the a new '01 Mustang Cobra to a 1977 Mustang Cobra II V-6. I have raced my buddies '93 FZR 600, I had him by about 1/2 a car from 20-80. I've raced a CBR 600 F2, again I beat him, and that was with my old car from a 40 punch. It was a stock '88GT. I don't doubt rbatson's claims for a second. |
I just double checked with my friend, who owns and operates Tech One Motorsports, a full service bike shop, including machining and dyno tuning here in MN, he said some of the older 750's could put out over 100hp, but rarely. The 1998 ZX-7 that we were looking at in the shop dyno'd at 114hp.
Baseline for the R6's he and I have seen, about 96hp, he put in a jet kit for a real serious amature, it picked up to 98hp, but it the graph got way smoother (for some reason it had a couple dead spots). He said if any bike had the chance to hit over 100hp in the 600 class he'd bet on the R6. |
Hmm...CBR 600F4 is making more than 100 to the wheels....so is the ZX-6, so is the GSX-R600....CBR929 is making almost 150 to the wheels....older bikes are dogs, but newer bikes are not. The GSX-R600 runs in the 10's and the other two 600cc bikes run in the low 11's(the new F4i might be faster). Now we all know driver skill is a factor, but even still, these bikes should still run high 11's or low 12's with an average to poor rider. Most street driven cars can't touch these bikes on street tires.
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Keep in mind that ET is largely a function of the launch, and from a roll that all changes. Bikes hook hard off the line, even on street tires, so from a stop that would change the picture. How much horsepower/weight you have is much more important once the tires are hooking, and that's relative to trap speed. And I don't think a 750 is all that much faster than a 600, if at all. I don't see any reason to doubt rbatson either.
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That's interesting Inferno
I guess the 600's that I've physically assisted in being dynoed must have been a figment of my imagination? The F4 is the weakest of the 600's. At the rear wheel, you'd be lucky to see it dyno at 95. Or maybe my friend and the previous owner who sponser drag bikes in the area and who have tested everything from Ducati 916's to Yamaha V-Max's to modified all aluminum NOS equipped 350ci V-8 Boss Hoss' to 504ci big block Boss Hoss bikes are mearly figments of my imagination? Tell me something. Do you own your own bike shop? How about your own bike dyno? Or maybe you've physically dyno'd bikes before? Maybe you've seen the bike's being dyno'd? No? Then shut the hell up because you don't have a leg to stand on. |
Oh, I will agree with the new 600's being 10 second machines, and way outclassing all but a very few cars in the world for street performance.
Even the first year Hayabusa that Tech One owned and raced didn't dyno over 156rwhp, with some minor tweeking. |
Hey Unit, I have seen F4's dyno over 100 stock. I also agree with it being the weakest of the the 600 bikes(but it still won the championship for 2000!!!!! http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif). I haven't seen a dyno of the new F4i, but I am planning on going to check them out. I don't know if you have heard of Chaparral Motorsports, but they are less than 10 minutes away from my house.
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Unit, lose your attitude alittle..
Not all dynos are the same. A bike could turn 95 at the dyno in Minnesota and then go to florida and turn 101.. There are lots of variables. I have heard up to 15 hp diff between different bike dynos. |
I have a '99 Ninja zx-6r that I have run at moroso and had a best of 10.37@135mph and I think that's pretty damn fast!! Although I had ONE mustang surprise me since I owned it... getting on I-95 here in palm beach county. I could see him creeping up on me a yellow convertible with blower whine! http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif sounded nice! http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif But I hit it when I was on the highway and he did too, and I really couldn't shake him.. he stayed pretty much right on my *** till 125 when he started falling back, then at around 150 I stopped because of upcoming traffic and he got right next to me and did the thumbs up! I was shocked!! Thinkin "i'm glad i didn't bring MY mustang today.. he would have whipped me big time!"
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If you're dynoing on a Superflo you just might get 100+rwhp.
MN generally dyno's higher than other areas. Low altitude, colder, moderately humid. I'd suspect the person doesn't know what they are talking about if they said their stock '87 GT dyno'd at 210hp at the wheels with no mods too. |
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