More Pony Power

cyberstang5.0 · 08-09-2001, 03:49 PM

I have a 92 GT. I have done everything except for heads, cam, gears, and computer chip. In other words, every thing that is bolt on. I have raced new and old Camero SS, and Z28's with the LT1 engines and I have ran dead even with them (from a dead stop to around 85-95 mph). Is there anything I can do to "tweek" the existing parts that I have? I am proud of my pony but I want to whoop some more @ss. I think it is awesome that a 302 can keep up or beat a 350. I am pushing around 325hp at the wheels. I don't want to spend lots of money but I think that is the only path that I have to take. Any suggestions???

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Cyberstang5.0
1992 Mustang GT 5.0

08-09-2001, 04:40 PM

With 325hp at the wheels you should be ahead of them to 115 mph, not even to 90. Are you spinning too much? First off, get 3.73 gears, 3.55's even. Then I would think that a nice set of heads would certainly do your stang some good....the stock heads are VERY restrictive.

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'90 LX 5.0;12K original miles (no sh*&);3.55 gears; March pulleys;Edelbrock Performer Heads;BBK 1 5/8" equal length shorties;MSD 6AL ignition w/ blaster 2 coil;FMS E303 cam;Pro-M 75mm MAF;BBK 70mm TB; Eibach drag-launch spring kit;Southside welded subs;9" K&N cone filter charger;Hurst shifter;Cervini's 3" turbo hood;A/C delete; gutted cats;2 chamber Flomasters;Corbeau racing seats;FMS 30# injectors;JMS chip; Holley 190lb fp;TFS track heat Intake (12.299 @ 113 - 1.78 60')

StoplightWarrior · 08-09-2001, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cyberstang5.0:
I have a 92 GT. I have done everything except for heads, cam, gears, and computer chip. In other words, every thing that is bolt on..... I am pushing around 325hp at the wheels.

Wait, how are you pushing 325 at the wheels with bolt on's? That's like a gain of what, 150hp at the wheels from bolt on's. Did you mean to say 225? Maybe Im wrong, but I thought it was impossible to gain that much hp NA on a car without at least swapping the heads, intake and cam.

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Black 2000 GT
Bassani X-pipe, Magnaflow Mufflers, Steeda Pulleys, K&N Filter. Steeda Weld in Subframes, Strut Tower brace, Sport Springs, Caster/Camber Plates.

CodeNinja · 08-09-2001, 10:06 PM

How could 325HP be an addition of 150HP? That would mean that the stock GT was only making 175HP?! The 87-93 GT's were sold as 225 HP, and they were underrated by Ford.

I wouldn't know if bolt-ons could give an increase of 90 - 100HP, but I did want to point out that 150 from 325 just didn't add up.

ed1371 · 08-10-2001, 12:30 AM

remember, it's RWHP he's talking about. Most stock stangs put out around 190 at the wheels
stoplights number was only about 15-20 hp off

cyberstang5.0 · 08-10-2001, 07:43 AM

No, I mean 325 at the REAR wheels! The stock pony's for 87-93 have 225 stock. I have added a K&N filter, 75mm mass air meter (matched to my injectors) 75mm throtle body with a 75mm EGR spacer. Edelbrock upper and lower intake, 24lb injectors w/ an ajustible fuel regulator, 1 3/8" unequal headers, 2 1/2" H-pipe with hi-flow cats, and 2 chamber mufflers, a sacs race clutch, a high effecentcy radaitor, low temp thermastat, 9mm spark plug wires, MSD ignition box (6al), MSD distributor, and MSD coil. That is it for HP parts. I also have Ebach lowering springs, BBK lower control arms, 17x9 cobra R rims w/ Brigstone Potenzas (bad @ss tires!), steeda caster camber plates, bigger sway bars, and polyurethane bushings everywhere. Whenever I have raced an SS, we end around 95 mph. We could of gone faster but we were on the street. I also raced a 99 cobra w/ an exhaust system and kicked his @ss. I beat him about 4 car lengths. Hope this info help yall out...

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Cyberstang5.0
1992 Mustang GT 5.0

Kevin Price · 08-10-2001, 07:55 AM

I think you might be about 100hp off in your estimate. No offense but those mods are not going to give you anywhere near 325rwhp. Seems like your throttle body might be a bit big for the mods that you have as well.

Anyway, change those gears first and foremost. Then, tackle the heads and cam. This will give you a BIG improvement.

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SVO siamesed 351 stroked to 417ci,Yates heads, solid roller,Trans King glide and a little blue bottle
of giggle gas. My Car

[This message has been edited by Kevin Price (edited 08-10-2001).]

Stang Runner · 08-10-2001, 09:03 AM

Stock 5.0 have 180-190HP at the wheels and you will NEVER have 325HP at the Wheel with Out heads Never well Maybe with Noss. 225 is at the Fly wheel

75MM is WAY to Big you are loseing Power with that On the stock heads.

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14.62@96.9 Engine: Steal Mounts, Under drive pulleys, K&N, Home ported Lower Intake, No power steering, No A/C
Drive Train: 3.55, World Class T-5, Lakewood Bell housing, Adjustable Clutch Cable, AL Driveshaft
Suspension: MAC Control Arms, Maximum Motorsports Front Grip Package, H&R Sport Springs, Bilstein Shocks
Exhaust: 1 5/8 UN-Equal Length Mac Headers, X-pipe W\cats, Edelbrock cat\back
Cooling: 3 Core Radiator

CRIPPLED PONY · 08-10-2001, 11:53 AM

The 87-93 GT's were sold as 225 HP, and they were underrated by Ford.

This is the first time I ever seen anybody state that Ford underrated Hp. Congradulations on being the first.
All joking aside, I've seen quite a few dyno results and none of them were underrated. But I have to agree, theres no way your making that kind of HP with those bolt ons.

ed1371 · 08-10-2001, 01:34 PM

I am going to take a SWAG (scientific wild *** guess) that at most, you are putting out around 255hp at the rear wheels. without heads and cam you are bottle necking the engine.

StreetStang37 · 08-10-2001, 01:52 PM

Actually, I've read of bone stock 5.0's dynoing at about 235 hp and 325 lbs. tq. so his statement about being underrated wouldn't be too off. But MOST Mustangs do dyno at about 190 rwhp stock.

About the car in question, what 1 3/8 headers do you have? Most I've seen are either 1 1/2 or 1 5/8's. Also that 75mm IS way too big. The stock 60mm would probably makes more power. I wouldn't go with anything bigger than 65mm unless the motor is really wild and even then 70mm would be the max. unless your running a built 351. Also the bigger injectors are probably hurting you unless you have it properly tuned (not just the mass air meter calibrated either). Your probably hovering somewhere NEAR 250 hp

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1993 Mustang GT - March Ram Air & Pullies, K&N, C&L 73mm MAF, 3.73 Gears, Super Competition Hooker Headers, 2 1/2 in. High Flow H-Pipe & Cat Back, Pro 5.0 Shifter, 16* Timing Advance, 8.5mm MSD Super Cunductor Plug Wires, Romoved front Sway Bar, Pro-Shift Lite, LX lights

cyberstang5.0 · 08-10-2001, 04:34 PM

I appologize, I ment to put 1 5/8" headers. I will dyno my car and post the results again. Thanks for all of yall's opinions.

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Cyberstang5.0
1992 Mustang GT 5.0

LincoConti87 · 08-10-2001, 10:53 PM

I don't even own a mustang and I know that what you are saying does not add up. Intake,exhaust and injectors does not seem like that big a boost and I don't understand how you can keep up with a Camaro SS, not to flame or anything just don't add up on my calculator. As far as underrating...I would not trust those ford numbers with my life because if you remember the 93 mustang and that whole thing where they supposedly lost 10 horsepower unless you got the cobra or something. But of course we all know from every single Camaro owner on the planet that they were underrated from the factory...they make it sound like those cars come with pamphlets saying that the actual horsepower output is more than we are saying just to be funny. Reminds me of one of those hotrod car shows on TNN where they slapped on a cam, exhaust, and heads and got like this buttload of horsepower that they *supposedly* give. If everything was just that easy lol

08-11-2001, 10:05 AM

CYBERSTANG...HAVE YOU HAD IT DYNOED? OR DID YOU IMPLY ADD UP ADVERTISED GAINS? HE 225 FROM FORD IS FLYWHEEL HORSEPOWER NOT RWHP.
325 RWHP WOULD HAVE YOUR CAR RUNNING IN THE 12'S WITH A TRAP SPEED OF 110 OR BETTER. ARE YOU SURE?

Vector · 08-11-2001, 03:57 PM

I saw the same show on TNN, they gained about 27hp with the exaust and 9hp with the cold induction kit. Are you saying those numbers are bullsh*t? Why would they lie to you on a car show, it doesn't make sense.

FivepointOH · 08-11-2001, 04:46 PM

No offense man but you don't have 325 at the wheels...and I seriously doubt you could hang with a new ss to 95 or beat a 99 cobra by 4 lengths. I doubt you could beat me by 4 car lengths without any gears...

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92 AOD GT, K&N, ram air, pulleys, 2 ch. flowmasters, 4:10's, shift kit, 1 5/8 mac longtubes and offroad hpipe 14.249 @ 97.34 mph before the headers and hpipe

Nitrous Al · 08-11-2001, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cyberstang5.0:
No, I mean 325 at the REAR wheels! The stock pony's for 87-93 have 225 stock. I have added a K&N filter, 75mm mass air meter (matched to my injectors) 75mm throtle body with a 75mm EGR spacer. Edelbrock upper and lower intake, 24lb injectors w/ an ajustible fuel regulator, 1 3/8" unequal headers, 2 1/2" H-pipe with hi-flow cats, and 2 chamber mufflers, a sacs race clutch, a high effecentcy radaitor, low temp thermastat, 9mm spark plug wires, MSD ignition box (6al), MSD distributor, and MSD coil. That is it for HP parts. I also have Ebach lowering springs, BBK lower control arms, 17x9 cobra R rims w/ Brigstone Potenzas (bad @ss tires!), steeda caster camber plates, bigger sway bars, and polyurethane bushings everywhere. Whenever I have raced an SS, we end around 95 mph. We could of gone faster but we were on the street. I also raced a 99 cobra w/ an exhaust system and kicked his @ss. I beat him about 4 car lengths. Hope this info help yall out...

What shop did you chassis dyno your car at? Stock 5.0 made 190 rwhp! Ford rated them at 225 hp at the crank. Your 75mm Throttle body, EGR spacer are too large for your car with it's mods right now. All of the cars you have raced are in the 260 rwhp range. Chassis dyno the car, then tell us what you're really making at the rear wheels!

4x4offroad · 08-11-2001, 10:35 PM

I have seen this guy run and it is no bull **** i can see how he gets around 325 rwhp and ya'll who think its not read up their are things you gan do for major hp upgrades and they only be bolt ons. Gears, cam, and heads is what you need.

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4x4offroad

Nitrous Al · 08-11-2001, 10:50 PM

There is no way Cyberstang is making 325 rwhp and running dead even with LT1 Camaros. They only make 260 rwhp!

Drewkeen · 08-11-2001, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nitrous Al:
There is no way Cyberstang is making 325 rwhp and running dead even with LT1 Camaros. They only make 260 rwhp!

how do you know the camaros don't have better gears? the gears dont increase or decrease hp but they make a lotta difference as far as acceleration goes.

08-09-2001, 03:49 PM	#1
cyberstang5.0 347ci of HORSE POWER!!! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,416	More Pony Power I have a 92 GT. I have done everything except for heads, cam, gears, and computer chip. In other words, every thing that is bolt on. I have raced new and old Camero SS, and Z28's with the LT1 engines and I have ran dead even with them (from a dead stop to around 85-95 mph). Is there anything I can do to "tweek" the existing parts that I have? I am proud of my pony but I want to whoop some more @ss. I think it is awesome that a 302 can keep up or beat a 350. I am pushing around 325hp at the wheels. I don't want to spend lots of money but I think that is the only path that I have to take. Any suggestions??? ------------------ Cyberstang5.0 1992 Mustang GT 5.0

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08-09-2001, 04:40 PM	#2
bada$$lx Guest Posts: n/a	With 325hp at the wheels you should be ahead of them to 115 mph, not even to 90. Are you spinning too much? First off, get 3.73 gears, 3.55's even. Then I would think that a nice set of heads would certainly do your stang some good....the stock heads are VERY restrictive. ------------------ '90 LX 5.0;12K original miles (no sh*&);3.55 gears; March pulleys;Edelbrock Performer Heads;BBK 1 5/8" equal length shorties;MSD 6AL ignition w/ blaster 2 coil;FMS E303 cam;Pro-M 75mm MAF;BBK 70mm TB; Eibach drag-launch spring kit;Southside welded subs;9" K&N cone filter charger;Hurst shifter;Cervini's 3" turbo hood;A/C delete; gutted cats;2 chamber Flomasters;Corbeau racing seats;FMS 30# injectors;JMS chip; Holley 190lb fp;TFS track heat Intake (12.299 @ 113 - 1.78 60')

08-09-2001, 10:06 PM	#4
CodeNinja Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Raleigh, NC, US Posts: 10	How could 325HP be an addition of 150HP? That would mean that the stock GT was only making 175HP?! The 87-93 GT's were sold as 225 HP, and they were underrated by Ford. I wouldn't know if bolt-ons could give an increase of 90 - 100HP, but I did want to point out that 150 from 325 just didn't add up.

08-10-2001, 12:30 AM	#5
ed1371 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 469	remember, it's RWHP he's talking about. Most stock stangs put out around 190 at the wheels stoplights number was only about 15-20 hp off

08-10-2001, 07:43 AM	#6
cyberstang5.0 347ci of HORSE POWER!!! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,416	No, I mean 325 at the REAR wheels! The stock pony's for 87-93 have 225 stock. I have added a K&N filter, 75mm mass air meter (matched to my injectors) 75mm throtle body with a 75mm EGR spacer. Edelbrock upper and lower intake, 24lb injectors w/ an ajustible fuel regulator, 1 3/8" unequal headers, 2 1/2" H-pipe with hi-flow cats, and 2 chamber mufflers, a sacs race clutch, a high effecentcy radaitor, low temp thermastat, 9mm spark plug wires, MSD ignition box (6al), MSD distributor, and MSD coil. That is it for HP parts. I also have Ebach lowering springs, BBK lower control arms, 17x9 cobra R rims w/ Brigstone Potenzas (bad @ss tires!), steeda caster camber plates, bigger sway bars, and polyurethane bushings everywhere. Whenever I have raced an SS, we end around 95 mph. We could of gone faster but we were on the street. I also raced a 99 cobra w/ an exhaust system and kicked his @ss. I beat him about 4 car lengths. Hope this info help yall out... ------------------ Cyberstang5.0 1992 Mustang GT 5.0

08-10-2001, 07:55 AM	#7
Kevin Price Registered Member Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Oxford, KS Posts: 935	I think you might be about 100hp off in your estimate. No offense but those mods are not going to give you anywhere near 325rwhp. Seems like your throttle body might be a bit big for the mods that you have as well. Anyway, change those gears first and foremost. Then, tackle the heads and cam. This will give you a BIG improvement. ------------------ SVO siamesed 351 stroked to 417ci,Yates heads, solid roller,Trans King glide and a little blue bottle of giggle gas. My Car [This message has been edited by Kevin Price (edited 08-10-2001).]

08-10-2001, 09:03 AM	#8
Stang Runner Registered Member Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Walker, MI, USA Posts: 1,202	Stock 5.0 have 180-190HP at the wheels and you will NEVER have 325HP at the Wheel with Out heads Never well Maybe with Noss. 225 is at the Fly wheel 75MM is WAY to Big you are loseing Power with that On the stock heads. ------------------ 14.62@96.9 Engine: Steal Mounts, Under drive pulleys, K&N, Home ported Lower Intake, No power steering, No A/C Drive Train: 3.55, World Class T-5, Lakewood Bell housing, Adjustable Clutch Cable, AL Driveshaft Suspension: MAC Control Arms, Maximum Motorsports Front Grip Package, H&R Sport Springs, Bilstein Shocks Exhaust: 1 5/8 UN-Equal Length Mac Headers, X-pipe W\cats, Edelbrock cat\back Cooling: 3 Core Radiator

08-10-2001, 11:53 AM	#9
CRIPPLED PONY Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: BURLESON, TX Posts: 14	The 87-93 GT's were sold as 225 HP, and they were underrated by Ford. This is the first time I ever seen anybody state that Ford underrated Hp. Congradulations on being the first. All joking aside, I've seen quite a few dyno results and none of them were underrated. But I have to agree, theres no way your making that kind of HP with those bolt ons.

08-10-2001, 01:34 PM	#10
ed1371 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 469	I am going to take a SWAG (scientific wild *** guess) that at most, you are putting out around 255hp at the rear wheels. without heads and cam you are bottle necking the engine.

08-10-2001, 01:52 PM	#11
StreetStang37 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: San Jose, California USA Posts: 275	Actually, I've read of bone stock 5.0's dynoing at about 235 hp and 325 lbs. tq. so his statement about being underrated wouldn't be too off. But MOST Mustangs do dyno at about 190 rwhp stock. About the car in question, what 1 3/8 headers do you have? Most I've seen are either 1 1/2 or 1 5/8's. Also that 75mm IS way too big. The stock 60mm would probably makes more power. I wouldn't go with anything bigger than 65mm unless the motor is really wild and even then 70mm would be the max. unless your running a built 351. Also the bigger injectors are probably hurting you unless you have it properly tuned (not just the mass air meter calibrated either). Your probably hovering somewhere NEAR 250 hp ------------------ 1993 Mustang GT - March Ram Air & Pullies, K&N, C&L 73mm MAF, 3.73 Gears, Super Competition Hooker Headers, 2 1/2 in. High Flow H-Pipe & Cat Back, Pro 5.0 Shifter, 16* Timing Advance, 8.5mm MSD Super Cunductor Plug Wires, Romoved front Sway Bar, Pro-Shift Lite, LX lights

08-10-2001, 04:34 PM	#12
cyberstang5.0 347ci of HORSE POWER!!! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,416	I appologize, I ment to put 1 5/8" headers. I will dyno my car and post the results again. Thanks for all of yall's opinions. ------------------ Cyberstang5.0 1992 Mustang GT 5.0

08-10-2001, 10:53 PM	#13
LincoConti87 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tallahassee,Florida,USA Posts: 188	I don't even own a mustang and I know that what you are saying does not add up. Intake,exhaust and injectors does not seem like that big a boost and I don't understand how you can keep up with a Camaro SS, not to flame or anything just don't add up on my calculator. As far as underrating...I would not trust those ford numbers with my life because if you remember the 93 mustang and that whole thing where they supposedly lost 10 horsepower unless you got the cobra or something. But of course we all know from every single Camaro owner on the planet that they were underrated from the factory...they make it sound like those cars come with pamphlets saying that the actual horsepower output is more than we are saying just to be funny. Reminds me of one of those hotrod car shows on TNN where they slapped on a cam, exhaust, and heads and got like this buttload of horsepower that they supposedly give. If everything was just that easy lol

08-11-2001, 10:05 AM	#14
PREDATOR Guest Posts: n/a	CYBERSTANG...HAVE YOU HAD IT DYNOED? OR DID YOU IMPLY ADD UP ADVERTISED GAINS? HE 225 FROM FORD IS FLYWHEEL HORSEPOWER NOT RWHP. 325 RWHP WOULD HAVE YOUR CAR RUNNING IN THE 12'S WITH A TRAP SPEED OF 110 OR BETTER. ARE YOU SURE?

08-11-2001, 03:57 PM	#15
Vector Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Comox, BC, Canada Posts: 119	I saw the same show on TNN, they gained about 27hp with the exaust and 9hp with the cold induction kit. Are you saying those numbers are bullsh*t? Why would they lie to you on a car show, it doesn't make sense.

08-11-2001, 04:46 PM	#16
FivepointOH Registered Member Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Sugar Land, Tx USA Posts: 478	No offense man but you don't have 325 at the wheels...and I seriously doubt you could hang with a new ss to 95 or beat a 99 cobra by 4 lengths. I doubt you could beat me by 4 car lengths without any gears... ------------------ 92 AOD GT, K&N, ram air, pulleys, 2 ch. flowmasters, 4:10's, shift kit, 1 5/8 mac longtubes and offroad hpipe 14.249 @ 97.34 mph before the headers and hpipe

08-11-2001, 10:35 PM	#18
4x4offroad Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2	I have seen this guy run and it is no bull **** i can see how he gets around 325 rwhp and ya'll who think its not read up their are things you gan do for major hp upgrades and they only be bolt ons. Gears, cam, and heads is what you need. ------------------ 4x4offroad

08-11-2001, 10:50 PM	#19
Nitrous Al Registered Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Everett, MA Posts: 417	There is no way Cyberstang is making 325 rwhp and running dead even with LT1 Camaros. They only make 260 rwhp!