429 Engine

Blaise · 08-12-2002, 09:58 AM

Hi all,

I'm a new member from Cape Town, South Africa, and I'm hoping that one of you may be able to help me with some information.

We are restoring a 1970 Mach 1 Shaker, and have been offered a 429 engine for the car, with the engine number 3N74B14. Is there any way that one can find out more about the motor from the engine number? It would be useful to know the year it was manufactured, the specifications, etc.

I'd be grateful for any help.

1969Mach1 · 08-12-2002, 10:19 AM

Someone wants to trade the engine for the car? Or you going to put the 429 in the car? Try checking www.fomoco.com (it isn't working for me right now though?) and it will tell you alot of it's stock stats on it. Although it's hp rating was underrated. I'm not being much help right now.

§am.

PKRWUD · 08-12-2002, 12:00 PM

I need some different numbers. There should be a casting number on the side of the block, that will look something like: C8VE, or D1VE-A, etc. Also, I need the date code, which is cast into the lifter valley. If you can get me those, I can get you any specs you need.

Take care,
~Chris

Blaise · 08-12-2002, 03:15 PM

Thanks, guys.

I will see if I can find the other numbers you need, Chris, and come back to you. I will also try the site suggested.

The story with this car is that it does not have its original engine, it has a 351 motor in it. The chassis has an R vin number, though, which as far as we know indicates it was built with a 428/429 engine, and we are trying to make it as original as possible.

PKRWUD · 08-12-2002, 05:09 PM

An R engine code in a 1970 Mustang was for a 428CJ 4V Ram Air, rated at 335 hp & 440 ft.lbs. It had 10.6:1 pistons, and the cam had .481"/.490" lift.

Take care,
~Chris

mustanggt350 · 08-12-2002, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PKRWUD
An R engine code in a 1970 Mustang was for a 428CJ 4V Ram Air, rated at 335 hp & 440 ft.lbs. It had 10.6:1 pistons, and the cam had .481"/.490" lift.

Take care,
~Chris

Chris, I love it when you talk dirty!!

LOL

Shelby

PKRWUD · 08-13-2002, 01:00 AM

Hey Baby!!! I'm so glad to see you back again!!! How did the move go? hows the new job thing working out? Talk to me girl!

Take care,
~Chris

Crazy Horse GT · 08-13-2002, 01:39 AM

welcome blaise, wow a 70 mach & a 429, man are you lucky, trade you a 2000 gt for it, haha, good luck with it, 69& 70 stang's are my favorites, cya.

Blaise · 08-13-2002, 03:16 AM

Yeah, the '70 Mach 1 is one of my all time favourites - always wanted to own one, and was lucky enough to find one in pretty good shape.

It was sprayed black when we bought it, but it is now being done over in BMW Imola Red. It looks like the original colour might have been a midnight blue. Hope it turns out as well as I think it will. We have also found most of the parts we needed second hand locally - there are a lot of enthusiasts here, and you can find a lot of bits and pieces if you look around.

The biggest problem right now is to get the right stuff for the roof lining and the upholstery. May have to source that from the US.

Chris, I have the numbers for you - I think! The number in the valley is 3N7, and the number on the block is B141CV. There is also a number on the conrod: D6VE. The car's chassis number, if you're interested, is 0F05R152199.

Thanks for the help.

PKRWUD · 08-13-2002, 05:23 AM

Hmmmmm.

The chassis number is great. It backs up the cars history as a 429 Mach 1. The engine is a different story. It's date code is for the end of 1973, and that block casting doesn't make any sense. Try looking above where the starter mounts, and see what castings you find there. The connecting rod casting number is for a 1976 Ford Truck 460. I suspect that your engine is a 460. If you can see the counterweights on the crank, Look for a 2 digit or 3 digit code, beginning either with a 4 or a 2. 4's were 429's, and 2's were 460's

Take care,
~Chris

Blaise · 08-13-2002, 07:23 AM

OK - Back to the drawing board. Will check out the numbers again and come back to you, Chris.

If this is a truck motor, I would imagine we'd be wasting our time pursuing it, wouldn't we? We need the real thing, otherwise we might as well stick with what we've got.

Thanks for all this info - you are very well informed about these things! Are you an engine specialist?

Will come back with the latest info.

Cheers for now,

Clare.

1969Mach1 · 08-13-2002, 08:00 AM

Are Mach1's or old American Muscle cars popular in Africa? Best of luck on your project. Must be hard to find parts out there I guess.

§am.

PKRWUD · 08-13-2002, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Blaise
If this is a truck motor, I would imagine we'd be wasting our time pursuing it, wouldn't we? We need the real thing, otherwise we might as well stick with what we've got.

Depends. They are virtually identical engines (429/460), except for the stroke. But if you are trying to sincerely restore this gem, then you need to start praying for a block with the casting number D0O8-B.

Quote:

Originally posted by Blaise
Thanks for all this info - you are very well informed about these things! Are you an engine specialist?

I specialize in high performance engine work and repair.

Take care,
~Chris

Blaise · 08-14-2002, 06:39 AM

Whew! I have lots of new numbers for you, Chris.

The number above the starter mounts is B9TE/AB. There are two numbers in the valley, 3M7 and 117, and several numbers appear on the conrod: D6VE/AA, B141/CV, and on the conrod bearing cap appears C9AE/B. The piston carries the number B749.

The bad news is that the counterweight on the crank has the number 2YAB. Does this mean that the engine is a 460?

Hope that these numbers can tell you a story.

To answer Sam's question: yeah, there are plenty of keen muscleheads here. There is quite a strong club fraternity of Mustang followers, and some stunning cars around.

I was at a classic car show this weekend, and there were four or five really good examples of classic Mustangs, well restored and original. Unfortunately, a lot of our good cars have left the country, as the rand is so low against most other currencies, making our cars very cheap if you have dollars or pounds.

For example, I recently saw two cars for sale: a '65 Fastback for R85,000.00 (about $8,500) and a '67 289 for R75,000.00 ($7,500). There is also a recent model Saleen Mustang (I can't remember the details) going for about R500,000.00 ($50,000). How do these compare with US prices?

Are there any other South African members of the forum that you are aware of?

Thanks for all the help.

Cheers,

Clare.

PKRWUD · 08-14-2002, 06:55 PM

2YAB is the mark of a '68-'78 cast 460 crank. I will check the other numbers for you, and reply again in a little bit.

Take care,
~Chris

PKRWUD · 08-14-2002, 07:07 PM

Screw it. The curiosity got to me. The crank and rods are definately from a 460 built between 1976 and 1978. The block is where this gets confusing. I cannot find the cast code, but it implies it is a design from 1959, anmd the 429/460 didn't show up until 1968. If you look at the front of the block, halfway between the timing chain and the oil filter, you may find "460" cast into the block. This would confirm it, but if it's not there, it still could be a 460. I will do some more research on your block number, but rest assured, right now it's a 460.

Sorry.

Take care,
~Chris

08-12-2002, 09:58 AM	#1
Blaise Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cape Town, South Africa Posts: 5	429 Engine Hi all, I'm a new member from Cape Town, South Africa, and I'm hoping that one of you may be able to help me with some information. We are restoring a 1970 Mach 1 Shaker, and have been offered a 429 engine for the car, with the engine number 3N74B14. Is there any way that one can find out more about the motor from the engine number? It would be useful to know the year it was manufactured, the specifications, etc. I'd be grateful for any help.

08-12-2002, 10:19 AM	#2
1969Mach1 HEY I CAN SET A NAME NOW! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,556	Someone wants to trade the engine for the car? Or you going to put the 429 in the car? Try checking www.fomoco.com (it isn't working for me right now though?) and it will tell you alot of it's stock stats on it. Although it's hp rating was underrated. I'm not being much help right now. §am. __________________ 1969 Mustang Mach 1Sold 351-4V Windsor, 4 Speed MACH 1 - Moving At The Speed Of Sound. 1979 Mustang Indianapolis 500 Pace Car For Sale - Email me for Info 302-2V, 3-Speed Auto One of 2,106 made One of 405 sent to Canada. Yes those are caution lights, and No you can't pass me when there on. Ricer Hater's Club - Member #4

08-12-2002, 12:00 PM	#3
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	I need some different numbers. There should be a casting number on the side of the block, that will look something like: C8VE, or D1VE-A, etc. Also, I need the date code, which is cast into the lifter valley. If you can get me those, I can get you any specs you need. Take care, ~Chris __________________ Webmaster: Rice Haters Club Jim Porter Racing Peckerwoods Pit Stop Support Your Local RED & WHITE!

08-12-2002, 05:09 PM	#5
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	An R engine code in a 1970 Mustang was for a 428CJ 4V Ram Air, rated at 335 hp & 440 ft.lbs. It had 10.6:1 pistons, and the cam had .481"/.490" lift. Take care, ~Chris __________________ Webmaster: Rice Haters Club Jim Porter Racing Peckerwoods Pit Stop Support Your Local RED & WHITE!

08-13-2002, 01:00 AM	#7
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	Hey Baby!!! I'm so glad to see you back again!!! How did the move go? hows the new job thing working out? Talk to me girl! Take care, ~Chris __________________ Webmaster: Rice Haters Club Jim Porter Racing Peckerwoods Pit Stop Support Your Local RED & WHITE!

08-12-2002, 03:15 PM	#4
Blaise Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cape Town, South Africa Posts: 5	Thanks, guys. I will see if I can find the other numbers you need, Chris, and come back to you. I will also try the site suggested. The story with this car is that it does not have its original engine, it has a 351 motor in it. The chassis has an R vin number, though, which as far as we know indicates it was built with a 428/429 engine, and we are trying to make it as original as possible.

08-13-2002, 01:39 AM	#8
Crazy Horse GT Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sale Creek, TN. C. S. A. Posts: 4,652	welcome blaise, wow a 70 mach & a 429, man are you lucky, trade you a 2000 gt for it, haha, good luck with it, 69& 70 stang's are my favorites, cya. __________________ 95 gt vert, lot's of stuff, it aint slow. 04 sonic blue v - six my beater 89 rs camaro iroc turbo hood, other stuff, my wifes ride 84 lx stang cammed up 289 hi po, etc 65 falcon, maybe by the year 2020. black 00gt, gone but never forgotten. R H C- member # 1 o.b.c. da prez- member # 1 if your under 40 dont ask. goodbye for now odie,r.i.p. 11-27-03

08-13-2002, 03:16 AM	#9
Blaise Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cape Town, South Africa Posts: 5	Yeah, the '70 Mach 1 is one of my all time favourites - always wanted to own one, and was lucky enough to find one in pretty good shape. It was sprayed black when we bought it, but it is now being done over in BMW Imola Red. It looks like the original colour might have been a midnight blue. Hope it turns out as well as I think it will. We have also found most of the parts we needed second hand locally - there are a lot of enthusiasts here, and you can find a lot of bits and pieces if you look around. The biggest problem right now is to get the right stuff for the roof lining and the upholstery. May have to source that from the US. Chris, I have the numbers for you - I think! The number in the valley is 3N7, and the number on the block is B141CV. There is also a number on the conrod: D6VE. The car's chassis number, if you're interested, is 0F05R152199. Thanks for the help.

08-13-2002, 05:23 AM	#10
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	Hmmmmm. The chassis number is great. It backs up the cars history as a 429 Mach 1. The engine is a different story. It's date code is for the end of 1973, and that block casting doesn't make any sense. Try looking above where the starter mounts, and see what castings you find there. The connecting rod casting number is for a 1976 Ford Truck 460. I suspect that your engine is a 460. If you can see the counterweights on the crank, Look for a 2 digit or 3 digit code, beginning either with a 4 or a 2. 4's were 429's, and 2's were 460's Take care, ~Chris __________________ Webmaster: Rice Haters Club Jim Porter Racing Peckerwoods Pit Stop Support Your Local RED & WHITE!

08-13-2002, 07:23 AM	#11
Blaise Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cape Town, South Africa Posts: 5	OK - Back to the drawing board. Will check out the numbers again and come back to you, Chris. If this is a truck motor, I would imagine we'd be wasting our time pursuing it, wouldn't we? We need the real thing, otherwise we might as well stick with what we've got. Thanks for all this info - you are very well informed about these things! Are you an engine specialist? Will come back with the latest info. Cheers for now, Clare.

08-13-2002, 08:00 AM	#12
1969Mach1 HEY I CAN SET A NAME NOW! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,556	Are Mach1's or old American Muscle cars popular in Africa? Best of luck on your project. Must be hard to find parts out there I guess. §am. __________________ 1969 Mustang Mach 1Sold 351-4V Windsor, 4 Speed MACH 1 - Moving At The Speed Of Sound. 1979 Mustang Indianapolis 500 Pace Car For Sale - Email me for Info 302-2V, 3-Speed Auto One of 2,106 made One of 405 sent to Canada. Yes those are caution lights, and No you can't pass me when there on. Ricer Hater's Club - Member #4

08-14-2002, 06:39 AM	#14
Blaise Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cape Town, South Africa Posts: 5	Whew! I have lots of new numbers for you, Chris. The number above the starter mounts is B9TE/AB. There are two numbers in the valley, 3M7 and 117, and several numbers appear on the conrod: D6VE/AA, B141/CV, and on the conrod bearing cap appears C9AE/B. The piston carries the number B749. The bad news is that the counterweight on the crank has the number 2YAB. Does this mean that the engine is a 460? Hope that these numbers can tell you a story. To answer Sam's question: yeah, there are plenty of keen muscleheads here. There is quite a strong club fraternity of Mustang followers, and some stunning cars around. I was at a classic car show this weekend, and there were four or five really good examples of classic Mustangs, well restored and original. Unfortunately, a lot of our good cars have left the country, as the rand is so low against most other currencies, making our cars very cheap if you have dollars or pounds. For example, I recently saw two cars for sale: a '65 Fastback for R85,000.00 (about $8,500) and a '67 289 for R75,000.00 ($7,500). There is also a recent model Saleen Mustang (I can't remember the details) going for about R500,000.00 ($50,000). How do these compare with US prices? Are there any other South African members of the forum that you are aware of? Thanks for all the help. Cheers, Clare.

08-14-2002, 06:55 PM	#15
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	2YAB is the mark of a '68-'78 cast 460 crank. I will check the other numbers for you, and reply again in a little bit. Take care, ~Chris __________________ Webmaster: Rice Haters Club Jim Porter Racing Peckerwoods Pit Stop Support Your Local RED & WHITE!

08-14-2002, 07:07 PM	#16
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	Screw it. The curiosity got to me. The crank and rods are definately from a 460 built between 1976 and 1978. The block is where this gets confusing. I cannot find the cast code, but it implies it is a design from 1959, anmd the 429/460 didn't show up until 1968. If you look at the front of the block, halfway between the timing chain and the oil filter, you may find "460" cast into the block. This would confirm it, but if it's not there, it still could be a 460. I will do some more research on your block number, but rest assured, right now it's a 460. Sorry. Take care, ~Chris __________________ Webmaster: Rice Haters Club Jim Porter Racing Peckerwoods Pit Stop Support Your Local RED & WHITE!

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