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1) you want to race to race me, why would i call you long-distance? if i get out of the office early today, i don't end up buying a 68 chevelle (which seems to be falling through for me :(), and i'm in the mood to put up with the import-hating bullsh!t i get at the track on test & tune night, ima run the volkswagen at knoxville dragway for the first time tonight..........warning: i run for fun, so i don't run people who are being dicks 2) in your sig, you mention k&n and flowmasters,yet claim to be "bone stock".......how do YOU define "bone stock"??? |
Mufflers don't do jack for performance, only sound. And a K&N, well that depends who you talk to. You are not really doing anything different. I mean if there was a paper filter that claimed 10% more flow than a "stock" filter, and you use it, well you're still bone stock. I think stock implies that all parts are still OEM factory pieces, maintenance items not included (another example is spark plugs or spark plug wires).
Too bad you didn't go with the 02 GT. Not only would it hand a GTi it's ***** in the straight line, I bet you'd be suprised at how well it handles. You need a VERY curvey track to beat a mustang GT. I once read an article that compared an Integra Type R to a GT. They had to change the course to extremely twisty because the mustang kept winning. And most would consider the Type R a good handling car.... |
straight-line is great, but not enough to justify the extra expenses for me, especially when i'm buying a classic muscle car as well
i wasn't surprised at how it handles........ it handles great, but isn't nearly as nimble as the gti and is a little too bulky for the tight autocross corses around here........ plus it is easier for a novice racer like me to drive a FWD well |
Guess it all depends on you skill, what you want to do with the car. Im my opinion the Mustang sits too high. But that's what aftermarket springs are for.
You need a lot of driving skill to keep the ***** end planted. After driving several winters, I got pretty good at it. |
i agree that the mustang sits high........but it sits real nice with aftermarket springs (unfortunately in solo II, that'll put you in modified class)........
from what i've experienced and witnessed, when many who halfway know their way around a course (but is by no means a professional driver) push a rwd harder, their times go up..........but when they push a fwd harder, their times go down |
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I'll run you cbring. I won't even spray you..and i'll give you a 6 car head start..how bout it? :)
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if any of you read grassroots motorsports, there was a very good article comparing the handling characteristics of fwd, awd, and rwd.........
all three layouts have distinctive handling advantages and disadvantages if the front end "pushes" on a FWD, you are entering the corner too fast and/or your sway bars/shocks are setup wrong |
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Daniel. [size= 6][color= blue]P. S. This is not Cbring SUCKS!!!!![/color][/size] |
Whoa! Relax Dan. Easy bud. :)
No need to be uncivil...yet :p |
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felon:yea copper, try a catch me in a 350 chevy, a 4.6/5.0 liter gt in that lil 6 cylinder commuter car...i'll wait up the road a we can get rollin from your top speed of 80 mph. but i'll have to keep stopin other wise i'll disapear from ya jeeze, someone was asleep at the wheel when designing that pos. that car has got to be the worst thing in the world for pursuits.:rolleyes: |
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that's rice? you are brilliant, dan-man. can i call you professor? good luck with your hatin', professor Dan-Man. but then again, what should I expect with someone with a confederate battle flag as their avatar? |
Where did all the love go? lol
I say you take it to the track.... online argueing isn't the way to solve it. :D §am. |
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LOL, just so you know, an 87-93 will spank you as well. Your car is 12 years newer than mine, and I could still spank you any day of the week. Even without the nitrous or naaaws as you would call it. Go ahead and put all the mods on your car that you listed. I will still have you in the bag. As would most mustang owners here. Ricers:rolleyes: |
Heck, heads and gears and he would see the back end of the 'turd' all day.:D
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No one has mentioned a 94-98 car being faster than his. My currently bone stock 97 (oft. referred to as a 'turd) would kick his arse with a simple head swap and gears. |
Sorry Deuce...
As we all know, its impossible for a 96-98 GT to be fast. It goes against the laws of nature... Kind of like that speed of light\realtivity thing.... ;) |
LOL, yes it is apparent "round" design of the SN95 that seems to slow it down. No matter how far ahead you are, you're still slow...:p
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I found this picture of you on the net just walla go Cbring. Care if I show it to the rest of the people on MW? Click here to see it. Oh yeah, I also found a pic of your girlfriend. Hope you don't mind if I post that one too. Click here to see her. Daniel. |
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you insisted upon using a word that truly and deeply offended some japanese. regular, hard-working japanese americans that don't even have an interest in cars. you proudly wave a flag that is deeply resented by many and represents hatred and disrespect..... i am a southern protestant white male. i've worked very hard to earn respect from those that are different than me. i've worked very hard to dispell southern stereotypes...........and frankly, it pisses me off that all my effort is essential negated by some choad fresh out of high school who is proud of symbols of hatred...... i'm going to start an "Ignorance Haters Club".........can i use your pics off of your webpage for my club website? BTW Crazy Horse, my two favorite teams are georgia tech and whoever is playing the vols.......i am from knoxville, so you label me a vol fan.........i guess it shouldn't surprise me, you seem to have trouble assuming other stereotypes as truth as well .....and my car is stock, too |
what gets me is, when someone owns a 4cyl and has a turbo on it regaurdless if it is factory or not and the hit 13's or 14's they think it is really fast. Stang owners hit 13's think its fast, but they know 12.99 and lower is actually fast. i guess we have different goals.
As for the confederate flag Cbring, you must have not been raised in the deep south or you would know the importance of the flag it is to them. I never lived in the south at all. Lived in NY all my life and even i know that! Cbring, what is your goal on this thread? did you ever get your answer? where is that pic of your car? Stereotype? stick with your 4cylinders, we will stick with our eights! ITS THAT SIMPLE! |
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why can't i like both my 4 cylinder and my 8 cylinder? pics of my 20 valve volkswagen |
you can like both the 4 and 8's. but you seem to give the impression "4 cylinder turbo, not V8 is alot of weight" kind of attitude. the key word is IMPRESSION! i know you never said anything like that!
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i've loved v8's for 20 years, since i was a kid.......
i've been into turbo performance for about a year........ but honestly, i have far more fun in my turbo four than 90% of v8 rwd's i've driven........and like it or not, it is comparable (if not quicker than) the average v8 you'll find on the road........obviously a performance v8 has more potential than a performance 4......but most v8's aren't the case (my car will eat, sleep, and drink cars like chevelles with 307's and tired out of tune 350's and whatnot) there are at least as many 15 second mustangs than 13 second cars stangs on the road.......of couse that isn't the case here, this is a board for enthusiasts who tend to want to make their cars faster.......which is real easy when you have a platform and aftermarket like the mustang............my point: this board isn't a truely accurate representation for mustangs on the road.......i know 6 people with mustangs, 4 are bone stock, 1 has exhaust only, and one is mildly modded (prolly a low 13 second car) i like beating kids in civics with a car they think should be recycled............ but i love smoking a cocky arsehole in a stock 81 vette with a 1.8 liter volkwagen and hearing him whine, "wah, your car is newer than mine, wah", "wah, you have a turbo and i don't, wah", "wah, you got a better jump than me, wah" |
Look dude, I have the upmost respect for the Confederate flag. I am from the south too (well, southeastern mo, but still, the south). The fact that I wave the flag in my avatar, battle flag or not, is my choice. I don't have any hate towards anyone.
What pissed me off is when you came on this board and started posting about ricers and such. I guess I percieved you as a person that is or a ricer type. Maybe your not, but I found some of your statements insulting, to say the least. If you want to hop up your VW, well that's just fine. As far as our, well, "conflict" on this board, is it really worth having? I'm tired of it, to tell you the truth. I'm sure that you are too. I'm sure that you find me offensive and arrogant. Maybe I am. I dunno. Oh yeah, I graduated from high school last year. Daniel. |
conflict? this is a message board, this is discussion. i hold no grudges. this is the kinda stuff than makes you learn, even if it is simply learning how others feel or handle things.
what do your black friends truly think about the confederate BATTLE flag? |
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Cbring, my advice to you is just to get over it. Daniel. |
cbring is just as bad of a stereotyper as anyone else. the fact that he takes the "rice haters club" name as a racial attack on someone (asian, etc) is quite narrowminded (you did say that in a past post as a insult towards asians). its just a plain dislike of a attitude (an attitude that anyone can have). i have asian friends and they have never seen it as a racial slur, because they can see past the end of there noses. as for his attack on dan-man, grow up, just because he has that doesn't mean he is a racist as you quickly stereotyped him (its was very implyed). oh and my friend has a turboed gti and its not that fast either i have driven it. even he knows that a 5.0 would take him out, as a few has but he enjoys the car he has so all the power to him, but he doesn't come in here and spout off like a whining little brat. later all, have fun.
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You want the truth? Coming from somebody who's been a member of this board since mid 1999, I'd have to say over the years people here have become "ricer-phobic." They don't know what a ricer is anymore, and any vehicle that has any modification they don't think is particularily cool is therefore a ricer.
In reality, many people here are not car enthusiasts in my honest opinion. They are high performance V-8 Mustang enthusiasts. The only 14-15sec car it's okay to put appearance mods on (conservative wheels, blackouts, oversized cowl induction hood) are Mustangs. Wings are nearly forbidden because they are rice. Nevermind the Mustang has been equipped with optional wings/spoliers since the 1960's. Those are not rice because they are Mustangs. I also say V-8 Mustang enthusiasts because V6 and I4 owners are routinely ripped on here as if the almighty V8 is the symbol of being worthy to post about performance. I find it to be hypocritical. Most people here would trust what PKRWUD has to say, yet his full size Ford truck with a 1000lb load in the back could probably be outrun by a new V6 Mustang without a problem. They also appear quite sexist when it comes to acceptable mods. A guy talking about putting appearance mods on their car before it's a 13 second car may receive ridicule. A female can put whatever they want on. There are enough leg humpers to inflate the female's ego. Actually, there doesn't need to be any mod involved at all. If you simply enjoy your car here in a different way than dragging it down a 1/4 mile, you may be ridiculed. Also, if you do something unusual for fun, such as driving a down a dirt road and goofing off people may post threads saying you should be shot, and/or beaten etc. It's why I'm now very scarce around here. I'd rather hang around with true enthusiasts. |
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lets try not to think too deep on what I just said either, because a lot of you guys are really nice people, carry some good conversation and really tend to care about the other people on this site...so im not trying to say we're bad people, just agreeing that we are a bunch of ricer-phobes like unit said... i still think you started this thread to kcik up somethin though.... |
kell you are right, there was a thread about v-6 stang's being riced, i took up for the sixer's, yes i have seen some riced, but have also seen riced gt's, etc but i dont knock v-6's or 4 banger's, i may kid with josh sometimes, but this guy is getting annoying, now he want's to talk about an army flag, your right , i would rather spend my hard earned money on power, not looks,maybe he will just troll on through. :rolleyes: :D :D, like i said before i pulled up next to a honda with factory v-tech badge's , gave him a thumb's up, he did likewise, i respected his car.:cool:
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rice=crap. most rice is Japanese cars. i didnt make it that way, punk kids did! just like domestic rice. those damn punk kids again!
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I think your right in the retrospect that if a bunch of people don't agree with a person's mods on their cars then they are rice or called something else. I've seen the same thing happen at my vo-tech college. There is this one kid going down there that has flowmasters on a 4.3L v-6 s-10. I think it sounds pretty good (for a v-6). However, most others disagree. In the end, it comes down to what people see as "cool" mods and what they see as "bad" mods. If they all agree on something then it's cool. If it looks bad to all of them then it's a bad mod. They could care less about it and walk away. Daniel. |
Ricer-Phobia as in fear of being a ricer. So yes, I know what phobia means. Maybe my college psychology courses helped out?
Anyway, I've found it doesn't need to be more than one or two people who dislike the modification. The person(s) disliking it are usually such ricer-phobes that they make as big a deal as possible out of the modification being rice that the rest of the followers (most people) jump on the bandwagon and also delcare it to be rice. It only takes that modification popping up a couple times before it is considered rice, and the followers turn into ricer-phobes as well. Not just because they feel the mod is a ricer mod, but they don't want to break the norms. Myself, on the other hand, could give a broken down Dodge what most people think. I'll be the first one to point out that the new 13sec Lightning is a ricer because it's got Altezza taillights. :rolleyes: Or a car that has mild modifications to make the interior look nicer, like MustangBelle306 is a ricer (she actually received flak on THIS board because of a polished aluminum gauge bezel). My definition of rice is a little different. It certainly does exist, and it's not "just" an attitiude. I know people who've riced cars just because they think it's funny. Altezza taillights do not equal rice. Fart pipes are ricey if they are oversized. The reason the "fart pipe" is ricey is it's just done for loudass sound. Dynomax exhaust is a true performance modification. While people on this board and elsewhere are quick to point out how it gives little peak performance power over stock fail to realize people do not shift at 4200rpms. The difference an aftermarket exhaust makes at 5500rpms is noticable, at least on my 87 and 88GT's it has been. The "fart pipe" isn't giving any hp anywhere. Ridiculous modification designed to attract attention is what makes a car into a ricer. Is a cowl induction hood rice? Not in my opinion. I hope to hell the owner didn't put it onto their car because other people like them. An attitude can make a person ricer. CRX with nice aftermarket wheels and blue headlights with a moderate exhaust pipe = not rice. CRX with 12" hundred spoke gold daytons, blue headlights, 2 sets of blue foglights, Altezzas, headlight covers, single wiper, coffee can exhaust = rice. Not that it matters. Seems a lot of people on this board have forgotten what true car enthusiasts respect. Caring about your car, and making it look good to you (provided you don't have god awful taste). Putting effort, money, and time into your car to make it better to yourself should never be considered rice. Many of you may have seen the most active thread ever on this board. People from just about any walk-of-life came here to voice their support for the Mustang owner. Wonder if it had happened on another board to an Integra whether people from this board would have been so supportive, or whether the topic here would have been "ricer gets car beat." |
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I too have been here since early '99, and I agree that things around here aren't the same. I don't know that I'd use the term "ricer-phobic", but I do understand what you mean, and for the most part, agree with you. I thought I did a pretty good job of detailing what makes a ricer a ricer when I posted earlier, but there are so many different opinions here, it was probably just skipped over. Marty came up with the idea of the Rice Hater's Club as a joke, but a few of us saw it as a chance to redefine what we felt was rice. The four picture pages on the website are the best examples we've been able to find. If, after viewing them, you disagree with our opinions, and think we're being "ricer-phobic", I for one will be very surprised. I'd appreciate your input, Kell. As far as cbring is concerned, this guy likes to stir the pot, and see what happens. In his defense, some really good discussions often come about that way, but this one has been beaten to death. His questions have been answered. cbring- I don't have a problem with you wanting to understand things, but if you're going to ask questions of the members here, don't decide before you even get the answers that those answers are wrong. You seem like a fairly intelligent person, but you're a little too politically correct for this crowd. I've found that people who are offended by a name or term, or for that matter, a flag in an avatar, regardless of what that name or term refers to, or what that person has to say, are generally insecure, and feel like the world should change to please them. We haven't said anything degrading to people of Japanese descent, and DAN-MAN hasn't said anything racist either. You are the one that took something, and branded it racist. That means that you are the one that has a problem with them, and you are trying to make it our problem. That's wrong, and won't win you many friends. You need to realize that there are more dimensions to things than just the few that you know, and that yours aren't necessarily correct. Good luck. Take care, ~Chris |
Well Chris you summed everything up perfectly, IMO.
Remember rice is an attitude. It's hard to explain to someone who doesn't understand. It would be like trying to explain how exactly the "force" works in Star Wars. It's pretty hard. Go to our pic page and see what We at the RHC mean as "rice" |
Neither have I visited the RHC pages, nor am I a member. There are enough things to be upset about these days than kids looking for attentionn by making their car look stupid.
PKRWUD, I was using your truck as an example. People here respect your opinions, as long as it has nothing to do with computers :D It's aimed at those who refer to nice looking slower cars as rice, simply because they can't run 13s. I doubt your truck runs 13s, and because of that, people who would accuse others of not being performance enthusiasts simply because the car they drive is slower are being hypocritical. I was using you as an example of somebody who's a performance enthusiast who doesn't necessarily own a fast vehicle. 95mustanggt, I have to disagree with rice being an attitude, except in the case of people being ricers. Cars are not ricers based on that theory because cars don't have a conscious attitude. Although you as the president should have an inkling as to the specific type of rice the RHC is targeting. I would agree with you that "not cbring" got peeved and went over the line, dragging a lot of BS in here, but I think overall, he's probably a car enthusiast who really wanted to see a Mustang board that was filled with car enthusiasts more than just Mustang enthusiasts. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, and just deciding maybe he doesn't know quite as much about history, and how people feel about it as he thinks he does. I think having import owners on this board is an asset. They are generally much more into import performance, and can help size up what the competition is up to. Those import people who would joing the board must truely like cars, and not just imports. |
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My feeling is tha the term "rice" has just gotten to mean "something that someone doesn't like". Originally, it meant Jap cars period, coming from the term "rice burners". My '94 ForeRunner or my wifes 2000 ES300 would qualify from the old meaning. Now with all the modified Hondas, "rice" means an ugly, ill-considered, modified anything".
If we hate "ugly, ill-considered, modified cars", then why don't we just tag them as that. To me, "rice" will always just mean "rice burner", i.e., any Jap (or Asian) car, modified or not. Rev |
I totally agree with REV. Thats the way I have always seen it.
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In addition to my previous post, i would like to add something. Just because someone drives a foreign/rice car, it doesn't mean they should be ragged on. Just because someone drives a foreign/rice car that is modded, it doesnt mean that they should be ragged on. Now, when someone pulls up next to you in a foreign/rice car with a 3 foot wing, 8 different colored car, and a 3 inch exhaust tip when the rest of the exhaust pipe is 1½ inches and continuously revs his motor at you when you and the guy both know that his car is definately slower than yours, and then he just sits there when the light turns green, then you can start ragging on him.
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