another "rice" question

[Kamaro Killer]

Take a look at my car, I have exhaust, 3.73 gears, blackouts, and a cowl hood. Does that make me a ricer? I think if you do modifications that affect the look of the car it's not rice as long as it's done in good taste. When I'm driving around here in Cali, I know I could beat MOST (that means not all, but 90%) of the cars on the road. I'm not an idiot who races anyone who looks my way, but I'll show up a ricer or two if they're asking for it. I have lost ALL respect for ricers due to the amount of IDIOTS who rice their car out, and don't do any real performance mods, so if I pull up next to them in my near stock 5.0 I'm going to be arrogant. I'm not saying I'll be the one over-revving my engine and turning my stereo on as loud as it goes, but I'll definately have a chip on my shoulder. We don't base our reasoning off just one guy, this is a fad that has been around for at least 5 years. We have experienced this more than just one time. Take care, Keith

[DAN-MAN]

Originally posted by this is not Cbring

i know a guy with a 99 civic si.............visually his mods are colormatched side skirts and altezza's...........he has intake/cam gears/exhaust...............his car is a track proven 15 second flat car

Sounds like he's trying to bullsh** with us.

Daniel.

[this is not cbring]

Originally posted by DAN-MAN
Sounds like he's trying to bullsh** with us.

Daniel.

you're actually right dan-man, he ran a 15.01 at his only track visit.........so i guess it isn't a 15 second flat car

how you figure i'm tryin' to BS you? don't think civics could possibly run decent times...........magazine guys clocked mid-15's stock and i somewhat doubt that magazine guys know how to extract full potential out of a car with such a narrow powerband..........

i know or know of at least a half dozen 99-00 civic si's (with more mods than that) that have ran a proven better time

[The Deuce]

Originally posted by this is not cbring

performance before show. that's great and i completely understand and even agree to a certain extent, but if any who doesn't agree with you has issues, maybe you are the one with the issue


"i just don't understand imports sometimes" are you basing all imports off this guy? you realize that if that guy bought a mustang the next day, his mindset prolly isn't going to change.......also a stock maxima se CAN be a decent match for a stock 97 stang gt

about once a week, i find some dickhead (usually high school kid) in a fox-body hanging halfway out his car, yelling to me how imports suck, and revving the crap out of his car at me.........and we are usually bumper to bumper in traffic.................

Good, pull some of my comments out of context. If you are making your car look fast, before it is fast, you have issues as far as I'm concerned. That's the "show before go" mentality. If you want to build a cruiser (slow car, cool sound) that is a different story altogether, just don't run thinking its fast. I forgot that I have to dumb things down for import guys sometimes.

Also, I said "sometimes". Does that mean all the time? No. I never said that I think all import guys are ignorant, although I'm starting to lean that way, from discussions like this one. His car would be a good race for me if I had broken my left foot, but that's about it.

I see kids trying to race all the time. Mostly in imported cars because they don't think my car is a real GT.(no fog lights, 16" rims.) Basically, you get kids in domestics that think all imports are dogs, and we get kids in imports who haven't learned that american v-8's are actually a great place to start.

[ultraflo]

I know of a Civic with a few mods, the main one being a Jackson racing supercharger.... and it ran high 14's

He claims it as a 13.50 car

I raced a Turbo Eclipse at the drag strip... it went 13.5 to my 10.3... not much of a race

[this is not cbring]

Originally posted by Kamaro Killer
Take a look at my car, I have exhaust, 3.73 gears, blackouts, and a cowl hood. Does that make me a ricer?

does it make you a ricer? i don't think so. i don't think there is such a thing, only idiots who do stupid thing with and/or in cars. you have done nothing to show me you are an idiot.

but honestly, if i saw your cowl hood and wing at the track, and then watched you run a high 13, low 14 (i'm guessing what you'd run), i'd think to myself, "that car is a lot slower than it appears to be." i think it looks fine, but i also think you are tryin' to make it look faster than it is

I have lost ALL respect for ricers due to the amount of IDIOTS who rice their car out, and don't do any real performance mods

so there are ricers that don't rice out their car?

[Kamaro Killer]

You're telling me you've never had someone pull up next to you in a stock Accord with his hat on sideways with his radio (not even a CD player) on as loud as it goes try to race you. That is the ricer mentality (sp?) we are trying to tell you about.

Here's an example. There was this neighbour of mine (about a year ago) who was about 19, (not much younger than me) that would try to race me in his MOM's escort. There wasn't anything done to the car (except a few dents he put in it) that would give him any reason to think he could even keep up with me, but I had to race him a few times before he stopped trying to race me.

I don't think a 13 second car is slow, do you? What does your VW run? I'll bet somewhere around mid 15's. All I have to do is throw the normal H/I/C in my car and it'll run in the 12's. I'm just estimating, but it'd only cost around $2000. These ricers pay 12-15K for an economy car, then dump $5000 into it and it still can't keep up with me and my $2000 worth of mods, plus the $3500 I paid for my car.

It's kinda strange how this ricer topic gets under your skin so bad. It's actually kind of funny. Take care, Keith

[this is not cbring]

kamaro killer

-accord boi isn't a "ricer".........a ricer is a kitchen utensil........he is simply a moron

-no, i don't think a 13 second car is slow..........and i think it is fine that you have the hood and wing (though i hate cowl hoods, period), but why did you add those? i am guessing it is because you wanted it.............what is wrong with someone in a 17 second car wanting a wing?

-i've never ran at a drag-strip, so i'm not going to even wager a guess. i do know that good drivers in bone stock cars just like mine seem to run 14.9x's or 15.0x's

-i thought the "well, if my car had this, this, and this, i'd run this" attitude we one of the things that people didn't like about the "ricers"

-what makes you think it is under my skin, i'm just interacting a bit while i'm trying to make some money

-tell me about these ricers that don't rice out their car

[The Deuce]

Cbring.

You are really looking to start some trouble, eh? What Kamaro Killer is talking about is mentioning proven enhancements on his car. It is verifiable, ask any the guy he is going to buy the H/I/C from what the car runs with it.

You won't let it die, keep asking these post-modern style questions that you hope we cannot answer with something other than a , "Oh wise VW, you are so right." BS

Most ricers do very little to their cars. Stickers and a wing do not mean big mods to me, so the same kid in a car that he hasn't been by Pep Boys to pick up his "Type-R" sticker (yes they sell these) and wing is still a ricer. There is nothing inherently wrong with putting a wing on a car, unless you brag about "the mad downforce" from it. Heck, my car is slower by 2 mph in the top because of the drag assoc with mine, Ford new that, but did it anyway.

You want to call them 'morons', we call them 'ricers'. It's like you are protecting them because you are afraid someone might think you aren't PC enough. Grow a spine. Homo, ricer, heck fag even, call it what it is, not "moron" or "alternative lifestyle participant".

There are a lot of words for a reason. Get your car to a strip and put up or shut up about ricers.

[Kamaro Killer]

because there have been about 10 different people who explained our view of a ricer, and you don't seem to get it. If you don't agree with us, that's fine, but don't try to reiterate the fact that you disagree with our opinion of a ricer. We know, you don't believe in "ricers", and that's cool. I'm not trying to sway your opinion, but it seems you are trying to sway our opinion over and over. That is why I think it's getting under your skin. You may think that a ricer is a kitchen utensil, but here at MW, we don't. We've all experienced these ricers in thier civic's, accords, etc... and we are tired of this fad

We believe the term ricer describes an attitude, presented mostly by people in imports. There are plenty of people with this attitude who drive imports, even though thier car is totally stock. They know thier car is stock, but still try to race everything on the road as if they are fast. A ricer isn't merely defined by the car he/ she drives, he/ she's defined by the attitude that they think they are fast and can whoop anyone, when we all know that they are slow. I have nothing against a 5 foot wing on a car, I personally wouldn't do it, but that doesn't mean I can't make fun of it by calling the driver a ricer.

I was not bench racing here by saying my car would do this or do that with this or that. I am merely saying even though I know my car's pretty much stock, I know it'll beat a lot of the car's on the road. That doesn't make me go out and race everything I see, just because I think my car's fast. That's the ricer attitude we don't like. I know my car in it's stock form is fast, and by doing some simple mods, I know I could smoke a vette. Tell me the last time you saw an import that you could dump 2k into to that'll smoke a vette. These ricers read too much into the hype that thier magazines spew, and don't do enough work to their car.

BTW, when I purchased my car it had the cowl hood, and the blackouts were $5 from a friend. Now that it's my car, I am planning a sick combo. I'm actually putting more thought into the performance side of my car, rather than the appearance, like most ricers.

Later, Keith

[this is not cbring]

why does it have to be such a we/they, us/them thing?

i don't want to be a "them" or an "us", i want to be a "this is not cbring"

these are cars, its in fun........it isn't war

i used to hate all the dickhead, redneck mustang/camaro drivers when i was 18 and driving a sebring lowered w/rims, stereo, and speedoptions.com windshield banner (my car was actually on their website and i got show and autocross discounts from them, so i wouldn't call it "rice" but you can if you want).................

i gave up on hating, 2 or 3 years ago and it has been a lot more fun............i go both import and domestic shows (my last trip was to the corvette musuem/assembly plant).........

i just ignore the morons and/or beat them when i can

well, there is a 454 chevelle waiting to be driven, have fun "rice-hating".............i'll check in later

[Kamaro Killer]

I have pleny of fun rice-hating. It seems about 80% of the people my age (21) have rice burners. i have plenty of fun smoking thier asses.

It's wasn't us vs. you, you made it that way by trying to tell us over and over that our view of ricers is wrong. You prefer VW's for your personal reasons, and most of us prefer mustangs. I have yet to understand why you constanly stick up for ricers, unless you're trying to imply that you are a ricer. Hmm, I wonder, lol. Too bad you're all the way in TN, cause I'd be VW hating too. Later, Keith

[The Deuce]

Then just let it go.

I get the feeling you have some qualms about being thought of as rice, and that's why you bring it up. More time discussing smoking Chevelle tires, less talkng about boosting your 1.8.

[PKRWUD]

Originally posted by this is not cbring
i am guessing it is because you wanted it.............what is wrong with someone in a 17 second car wanting a wing?

NOTHING!!! Those are the precise morons that put a huge smile on my face. Hell, while we're at it, what's wrong with wearing snow skis at the beach? What's wrong with smoking on airplanes? What's wrong with legalizing all drugs instead of just the ones that are trademarked by pharmaceutical magnates? What's wrong with wearing pink and green plaid pants while shopping at the mall?

Nothing. Whatever blows your skirt up, honey. Just don't be surprised when others are laughing at you.

C-ya

[Fox Body]

TINC,

When I first heard the term "ricer", I kinda had a small problem with it also. I am just not one for name calling, I guess, and I specifically don't like to jump on bandwagons and follow popular trends, whether good or bad-- that's just me-- so I can kinda understand where you are coming from, really. But I, just like a lot of other REAL musclecar enthusiasts (notice, I said "car", not "Mustang"--even though I am specifically a Mustang enthusiast, I am also secondarily a "musclecar" enthusiast) get really stinking annoyed with stupidity. It's just the whole "rice" scene that is really annoying. When you are someone that takes pride in hard work and putting a car together and then you get this "poser" come up beside you, it's rather disgusting. I don't need to get into all the details about what is a "ricer" and what is not, that question has already been answered quite well in this thread and especially this one. The mental and physical (well-outlined by 84LX89GT) aspects of riciology have been spelled out.

The only real way I think one can understand why people get SOOOOOO stinking frustrated with ricedom is to get themselves a serious muscle/sports car (Mustang, Supra Turbo, Corvette, Skyline GTR, Camaro, etc, etc), then put tons of HARD WORK into it and then have these stupid little annoying riceboys w/ their rockets talk alot of big talk about what they have and what they can do, and pose, and pose and pose etc etc, and that person will soon understand. Pretending in this case is CHILDISH and stupid. These guys need to abandon this pitiful world of fantasy and wake up!

To me personally it is frustrating, but then again, I have to think, well, even though I think their cars are STUPID childish or whatever, people are different and have different opinions, tastes, etc. One reassuring thing, how would we know what is awesome (eg, well-put-together '69 Camaro) if we don't know what SUCKS (eg, a riced out 'stang)????????

You have to admit, this is a Mustang message board so many opinions and praises will sway primarily towards MUSTANGs and other domestics. Don't expect that you will just come in and change people's minds or perspectives on rice hating (...and I don't suppose that is why you post such threads). Just an observation, but believe it or not, some people here see your questions or remarks, as polite as they may be, as definding rice and that will not go over well here, even if that was not your intention. Just remember where you are. Right? of course if I went over to a strictly import board and started posting the same types of questions there and kept pushing the subject again and again, people are gonna automatically start thinking I'm some domestic guy that has come to start trouble-- well, most likely-- you gotta be honest.

One thing is for sure TINC, you have been very polite asking your questions even though you keep pushing the subject and b/c of that (even in the face of some snide remarks from one or two of our wonderful members ), this thread has not gotten out of hand as it has the potential of doing. I enjoy reading your posts. You seem like an intelligent guy (alright you guys don't laugh). We need a few more like you around here, one not easy to start or encourage a flamewar (but you still need a Mustang, dude )

....And I must say I am impressed by others who have kept this thread under control (lack or name calling, snide remarks) by utilizing patience with TINC's repeated questions.

All in all, remember, this is a Mustang site (just reminding you) and we have different opinions here. You have to live the life (mentally and physically) a few years as a real Mustanger to properly understand ricedom, posing, whatever, from our perspective.........

But.......

Let's not make this rice hating stuff a religion and start going on crusades and stuff cause then we really got some issues more so than the ricers......