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Old 03-07-2001, 02:24 AM   #1
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Post Ford owners are Democrat, Republican, or ??????

Just my twisted curious mind wondering what the majority of Ford owners were. If its a private matter to some then I apologize...no offense intended. I'm not flaming any party or president or ex-president. Just curious.

I myself am 21 male in the military and am registered republican.
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Old 03-07-2001, 04:39 AM   #2
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I don't about Ford owners in general, but from past discussions here and in similiar situations most Mustang owners are either republicans or idenpendants which lean strongly that way (go McCain!). I think very few people here voted for Al.
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Old 03-07-2001, 05:06 AM   #3
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thanks for your candid answer. My apologies that this had already been covered.
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Old 03-07-2001, 05:28 AM   #4
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Being only a couple years removed from the Navy I am still bitter about the previous administrations view toward our Defense Dept members. I will say that I am not of slick willy's party.

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Old 03-07-2001, 08:40 AM   #5
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Old 03-07-2001, 09:42 AM   #6
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I cannot speak for everyone, but I would like to think that we are mostly Republican or Libertarian given that most of us love what freedom we have to modify and work on our cars without needing to apply for government approval. (that freedom has been partially taken away for late model owners through emmisions requirements)

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Old 03-07-2001, 04:10 PM   #7
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I'm independant, I like the sensibility of the democrats (taxes, education) but I like he republicans cause of their other lobbying (mostly on second ammendmant, guns). I HATE GW, I really think that he is a complete and utter idiot, I think Gore would have been a much better choice, no to say that he's good either. Despite Clinton's idiocy, he wasn't to bad, but if I could vote, I would have voted for Nader.
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Old 03-07-2001, 08:32 PM   #8
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While I don't agree with 100% of the Republicans ideas, I sure as hell won't vote Democratic any time soon unless they somehow change most of their ways. So yeah, chalk me up into the Republican/Independant group.

I hated Clinton since the beginning and I Really and I mean REALLY Hate Hillary, so no big surprise I don't like Gore either. I voted for Dubya. I have to spell it that way because the Democrats broke into my house and ripped the "W's" off all my keyboards. HeHeHe

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Old 03-07-2001, 09:42 PM   #9
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Just a friendly warning to everyone, keep it clean. Carnivore is watching us all (for those of you who know).

Hardcore Republican here. Remember when we had the "gore or Bush" thread here a few months back? I said I'd vote for the human. I mean, I at least want a commander-in-chief who moves his limbs and doesn't sigh at everything, much less talks like a kindergarten teacher to everyone. I'm tired of the government taking all of my money anyway. GO GW!

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Old 03-07-2001, 10:55 PM   #10
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Most people don't know it, but the predecessor to carnivore, echelon, has been watching us for many years.
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Old 03-07-2001, 11:04 PM   #11
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Elephant here...btw what is carnivore? pardon my ignorance *duh*

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Old 03-08-2001, 03:13 AM   #12
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Its a program that goes though the internet and scans for potentially dangerous matrail. Reportitly there was a comment made on another site's board which triggered the program and led to the admins and the user in question getting some interesting phone calls from some interesting people.
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Old 03-08-2001, 09:10 AM   #13
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Democrat! That doesn't mean I voted for Al(actually, I wasn't old enough yet), but I sure as hell wouldn't vote for GW.

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Old 03-08-2001, 11:09 AM   #14
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I'm Republican, but I vote for what I believe. That means I would drink piss before voting for Mr. Gore, Mr. Hillary Clinton, or Mrs. Bill Clinton.

GO GW!!! Heck Yeah! 'Bout time we got us a home grown Texan back in the White House! Heh, heh.

Seriously, he did a good job in Texas and he's kickin' the crap off his boots in Washington. I don't care what you think about the guy, he gets stuff going...oh, and he's a pretty good 'ol boy in person, too...not one of those fake bill-board (no pun there...well, ok, maybe just a bit) washouts who paints on a new advertisement with every nuance in public opinion.

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Old 03-08-2001, 02:52 PM   #15
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I'm a independent. I believe in the Constitution, lower taxes, individual rights, and less gun control. I'm a little conservative and a lot libertarian.

Although I'm neither Democrat or Republican, I voted for Bush. I could never bring myself to vote for a socialist and incompetent liar like Algore. Things like "character" in a candidate really do matter. That's why I voted for Bush and why he's living up to my expectations and surprising the Democrats.

Generally speaking, the Republicans seem to have a lot better "common sense" approach to solving problems. The Democrats seem to think more government involvement is the answer to every problem. And invariably, they're proven wrong over and over; that government isn't the answer.

But despite the progress Bush is making, some people are just hardcore partisans and will criticize him no matter what he does. If it were Algore instead of Bush, doing exactly the same thing, the Democrats would be praising him. But since Bush is a Republican, the Democrats bash him.

Generally speaking, older, wiser and people with common sense tend to me more conservative, while younger idealists who really haven't thought deeply about anything in their entire lives tend to be more liberal.

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Old 03-08-2001, 04:20 PM   #16
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Ah the old vs the young idea.

From my personal experiance, being 23, many of my friends being slightly younger, I think you can throw the liberal young people idea's right out the window.

I'll give my age group serious credit when it comes to knowing what is really going on, much more so than the people who have already decided that they are the member of a "party".

Many of us do not vote, unlike me, simply because we are gonna get hosed no matter what. It's quite obvious our age bracket 18-24 is heavily discriminated against, and quite frankly, I find it offensive.

I do not have a party, and I do not think that any one should be able to run under the guise of a "party". I think the unions should keep their no good asses out of the election process, and I think that people should decide who they are going to back based on what that person says and thinks.

ANYBODY who votes based solely on a cantidates party, ie. republican, democrat, green, independant, grass roots, etc. is a moron when it comes to politics.

My views on what is wrong with this country are pretty straightforward.
[list=1][*] People need to quit messing in other people's business/lives.[*] Partisan BS has resulted in the constant fillabuster like action of our legislation.[*] The IRS is nothing more than an institution designed to promote good relations between polititions and the contributors to their campaigns. It's completely outlived it's usefulness and should be shut down in favor of a far less complicated, fairer service.[*] Our legal system needs to be completely overhauled with nearly every law needing to be looked at and evaluated by our peers.[*] Our defense and technological funding is far lower than what it should be. People who do not understand the trickle down effects of new ideas/inventions from these area's into our everyday lives are unworthy of voting.[*] Religion is begining to creep far to deeply into state affairs, a further examination on how to cut church from the state needs to be completed to avoid religious based arguments and wars from affecting our government.[*]The voting system needs to be overhauled, internet voting should be instated for greater accuracy and efficientcy.[/list=a]

Those are just a few items that I'd like to see addressed, of which, none will. Mostly because there a ton of morons who do not see where our government is going... Socialist.
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Old 03-08-2001, 05:21 PM   #17
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ANYBODY who votes based solely on a cantidates party, ie. republican, democrat, green, independant, grass roots, etc. is a moron when it comes to politics.
Amen to that, but say one party's views are almost identical to your own? That's usually how it breaks down for me, 'cept some of the environmental stuff. Neither am I all for pollution nor tree hugging, but more of a common ground. Trouble is, a few older Republicans don't give crap one about it. There I'll agree with you , Unit.

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Old 03-08-2001, 05:31 PM   #18
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Unit, You bring up some good points, but I'd like some more info on some things...

"From my personal experiance, being 23, many of my friends being slightly younger, I think you can throw the liberal young people idea's right out the window."

To be honest, I have found the majority of young people (there are always exceptions to anything) to be liberal. While I don't have hard numbers to back it up, if you polled high schools and colleges, I am sure a majority would turn out to be quite liberal, and I believe it is quite normal for that age group.... We all tend to be a bit idealistic in our younger days, and to be honest, I think a little idealism is a good thing... (and I'm a conservative)

Major college campuses are usually democratic hot beds (although, once again, there are exceptions..) The whole set up of academics teaching theory instead of experience teaching reality is a little worrisome to me. Don't get me wrong, a college degree is a great achievement, which opens your mind and your horizons...

But what worries me is an example of the following:
My uncle (great guy by the way) has a doctorate in engineering, he has spent all of his life in college except for a little under 2 years in an engineering position out in the real world. While I wish nothing but the best for my uncle, why would I want someone teaching engineering who has little to no actual experience in the field himself?

The above is very typical of many professors\teachers in our institutions...

Apply that to the subjects of ethics, politics, and the humanities, and you might start to see my point...


"Many of us do not vote, unlike me, simply because we are gonna get hosed no matter what. It's quite obvious our age bracket 18-24 is heavily discriminated against, and quite frankly, I find it offensive."

It is my honest belief that if a person does not vote, they really shouldn't complain when things happen in the executive branch that they don't like. I can guarantee that if one person has an certain opinion, there are LOTS of us in the states that share that opinion. Maybe enough to sway a local, state or national election.
I'd also really like to know how the 18-24 age segment is discriminated against, although I'm older, I'm close enough to remember my life at that time quite well, and I can't seem to remember any discrimination.

"internet voting should be instated for greater accuracy and efficientcy."

While it could be a great idea, the fate of our government decided by a highly malleable interface such as the internet is a little disconcerting to me at this time.

Just a few of my random thoughts....



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Old 03-08-2001, 07:53 PM   #19
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i vote for whoever i agree with. And i can't stand hypocrisy, so i avoid that whenever i can. i don't think gun control is a good idea (I like guns), but the second amendment does say that with the freedom to own firearms comes a responsibility to one's country, so i think we need a militia. i believe in gay rights and abortion. i think our current drug policy does nothing but waste money and lives, so it should be dropeed. Drugs should be legalized and regulated. I don't dig on conservatives either. my motorcycle has no cats, but i think we should try to preserve the environment. and the sooner we find a FAST alternative to oil the better (hydrogen, probably). i would have voted for McCain (had i been old enough), but sadly, he didn't make it. I think Nader needs to stop wasting his time, and taking votes away from the party that could actually WIN and get something done (and im not too fond of "unsafe at any speed"). Religion needs to get its big, opinionated, judgemental *** out of government. speed limits need to be raised/eliminated outside urban ares—europe does it, so should we. especially since it's a relic of the gas crisis. Cops need to lighten up. PJ O'rourke needs to hold political office. if you want to read a good, political book read "Thank God for the Atom Bomb" by Paul Fussel.

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BTW voting machines are INSANELY easy to "fix". internet voting would probably be less prone to cheating.
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