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Bush an Oil Tycoon, or a President?
I'm terribly disappointed with his worthless plan.
It does absolutely nothing for the next 2 or three years. Even the Republican's want nothing to do with it. Unless congress reacts and other Republican's step up and walk past Bush we will continue to be robbed by the American Oil Refinery's. It's depressing to see how Bush is not acting as a President, and instead is protecting his own personal interests by allowing the ridiculous price of gas to continue to skyrocket. His plan also allows for brownouts and blackouts to continue. It's quite sad really. If his plan is enacted, the Democrats will control congress and the Presidency next term. American oil companies are ALL posting RECORD profits. This price fixing that is going on is absolutely SICK. Bush should be beaten. I am seriously wishing I had not voted for him at this point. I should have penciled in Mr 5.0. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif As fuel costs continue to soar in the Midwest due to the sudden and unexpected shutdown of 4 refineries, 1 due to problems with output control. Can this be anymore see-thru? It's incredible... They have blatently shut down refineries for no other reason than to intentionally cause a fuel shortage so that they can demand more money for their product. Once the artificial increase in fuel costs is in place, they will turn the refinery's back on and never drop the price. They are just buttering us up for the shaft. If this is not price fixing I have no idea what is. Unless congress acts quickly and Bush get's his **** together we will be screwed! They are soooooooooo stupid! It's unreal. The Middle East is finally becoming powerful and working together to control oil prices, and now is the time the ******* idiots want to screw around the American people??? What happens when the Arab nation's decide they are willing to work together to get $40 a barrel??? Are the refinery's going to keep piling on the charges? Will they have to? Most companies I know of try to budget their expansion based on revenue, is this not true? What happens when the oil industry decides to begin expanding it's interest's? When they actually need to keep a certain level of profit and the Arab's raise prices on oil the average people in this country will take it in the *** !!! Let's take advantage of the situation we have right now and use it to our advantage before the Middle East begins to demand huge increases for it's product and the American oil companies are so invested in their newfound revenue that they NEED to continue making a certain level of profit on the products they sell so that we CANNOT receive a price break even if they want to give us one. [This message has been edited by Unit 5302 (edited 05-17-2001).] |
oil tycoon, and dumb as a brick!
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Uhhh....yeah. So then why is every democrat so against producing our own oil in our own country, i.e. Alaska drilling. Bush is making one mistake in that he is planning for the long run and its going to cost him if something doesn't change now. Thats proof to me that he cares more about the people than himself. But then again I'm a ditto-head so I'm lower than scum. The only thing I'm disappointed in with Bush is the fact that I think he let China off a little too easy. But he might be waiting to get our plane back before taking action so I will wait and see. Lib's just don't like Bush because he doesnt talk down on people like Willie. By the way, see that Bill got egged in Poland?? http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif |
Bush Jr. is just doing his daddy's bidding... And George Sr. turned into a Nazi while running the CIA...
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I have no party affiliation, and read my post. I voted for BUSH. About the China incident, they have every right in the world to be pissed and keep our plane. We kept their planes for YEARS after the they ticked us off with Taiwan, or Tianaman Square. I forgot which. Anyway, we had a contract to repair a few of their fighters, then when they pissed us off, we quit working on them, seized them, and sent them a bill for storage!! You really think they are gonna forget that? |
Personally, I really believe there's nothing GW can do for the here and now. His long-term plan is the only thing that's going to work for sure. You have to remember that gasoline is a free market product, part of our "free" capitalist economy. What would you have us do, revert to socialism and have the government run these types of businesses? Do you really want somebody from the fed setting the price of a gallon of gasoline? It'd start there, and then the next thing you know they'll be setting the prices on a pair of bluejeans. We have to keep the government's control as far away from the economy as possible to keep competition and a free market viable.
I do agree, however, the price gouging that the oil companies have been screwing us with need to be addressed. When the FTC (or whoever) went after Microsoft, I think they were going after the wrong guys. The government should've stopped Exxon and Mobil from merging. I think that's when we got really screwed over; talk about a virtual monopoly, man! That's a lotta refinement capacity between them. The dumbocrats are arguing that they should listen to the people about what direction to take on the energy "crisis," which is idiotically stupid bull$hit if you ask me. How many people out of the American population are energy experts? Like less than 0.001%? Like we're going to know what the best decision is. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/rolleyes.gif They must have missed the day in Political Science 101 when the prof told us that we elect officials to make these decisions for us. Just an *** -kissing appeal if you ask me. If you watched GW's speech on his energy plan today, he said the key words that will automatically drive gas prices down: conservation and increased supply (aka supply and demand). Using our petroleum more efficiently and cranking up refinery capacity is what it means, bascially. With all of the new powerplants preported to be built, I think we'll see the energy cost go down. But as said before, it won't happen overnight. We're only in this pickle because Clintler's administration left us with NOTHING to build on. No plan for the future, just tapping into our strategic oil reserves to band-aid a problem that will plague us in future years if some of the proposed measures are not developed. I'm tired of the tree-huggers throwing a fit every time a new power plant or oil exploration comes around. There was some idiot with a "NO NUKES!" sign outside where GW was delivering his speech. Um, okay, we haven't built a single nuclear power plant since 1973, for God's sake!!! http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/mad.gif Hell, it's one of the most plentiful and environmentally clean sources of energy we can get! Even disposal won't be a problem in the future if the repeal on the ban of using plutonium (spent nuke fuel) goes through. The solar idea for households I do like, though. Free energy is cool. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/cool.gif Okay, I'm done. Just had to get that off my chest, hehehhe. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/wink.gif ------------------ Capri306, Moderator, The Mustang Works Online 1979 Mercury Capri, 5.0L -- C4 -- 2.73 1987 Mustang LX Notch |
Fusion is another form of energy that isn't being researched fast enough. And I think that has to do with Energy Companies scared by a new kind of power.
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Well I'm not an American, but I think that you guys are the ones who have to get there sh*t in order so your fellow muscle car buddies can also enjoy low gas prices. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif
If prices stay this high, that only puts more pressure on alternate fuels and more fuel efficient cars. Which is a good thing, but that will seriously harm these oil companies in the future. They should consider that. I don't know squat about the US's plans for energy but I sure hope it's a good one, for all our sake. |
Boy, this is a good thread, so I'll have to Chime in on a few things....
1. We are DEFINATELY getting gouged on gas prices, and the oil companies are making record profits. Alternative fuel motorcars, although coming fairly soon, will not be viable soon enough to keep the issue from effecting auto makers. Just how much cash are the big 3 making from SUVs? You can be sure that you'll see the big auto makers fighting the high gas prices as much as us. If you've ever been to Europe, you'll realise just how lucky we've been for so long as far as petroleum prices go, as expensive as it is here, its even more expensive there.... Give this stuff about another 6 months, and you'll see that many of the tree-hugger soccer moms who drive SUVs won't give a diddly-doo about the endangered Alaskan spotted turtle-nosed ferret when they're paying 3 bucks a gallon for unleaded. Refineries: We need em, let's get them (responsibly) 2. Electrical Energy: Nuclear fusion is the future and more resources should be put into research toward this goal. We can use more Hydro-electric, solar, and wind power stations to get enviro friendly electricity for our MP3 players. I would suggest fission power as a stop-gap measure until other sources become realistically viable\widespread. Spent nuclear rods? Send them into the sun. A little cash from the power companies could certainly help the space program.... 3. China: Speaking as a pilot and veteran, anyone who thinks that a P-3 recon plane on autopilot could intentionally ram or accidentally clip even a 60's designed fighter aircraft is just plain high.... China has a right to be angry? For what? For losing a pilot who was performing dangerous maneuvers next to a slow, cumbersome turboprop on autopilot in international airspace? For having their "feelings" violated because of the presence of a recon aircraft in international airspace? One more time... INTERNATIONAL AIRSPACE... Their territorial sovereignty was never threatened and their airspace was never crossed until AFTER the collision. By this time the crew just wanted to find an airfield ANYWHERE to land the stricken aircraft. If I were that commander, would I have made the same decision to land in communist China? Maybe not, but I wasn't there. So I'm not going to try to make a judgement. Folks, unless you live under a rock, you must realize that everyone spies on everyone else..... Secrets are held and espionage is done every day even between FRIENDLY COUNTRIES! Do you really think that the Chinese government is not aggressively spying on the United States? I guarantee you that they are. The only reason they are not using a similar aircraft for the same use is that they don't have the capability. Russia and the US have been doing these games for years and continue today. One country will fly a recon plane in international airspace, the other will send "escorts" to monitor the first plane. 99 percent of the time, that's all that happens. If you add an irresponsible butt-head who thinks he's Maverick from Top Gun into the mix.... Aircraft get messed up and people die. China needs to figure out how to play well with others in the sandbox, including their own people... maybe then there will be less of a need for intelligence\data from that part of the globe. Rant over... ------------------ "The Yellowjacket" Ricer 1: What the heck was that!? Ricer 2: I don't know. It looked kind of like a yellow SN95 Mustang. Ricer 1: Nah, fast SN95 Mustangs don't exist... Must have been a mirage or something... |
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Hello again, this is medik418, had to get a new nickname since I disappeared for so long but alas, here I is.
so much for formality. I gotta go on record on this one. Yes, we have every reason to be mad at the oil companies for the high oil prices but put the blame where it belongs, there's a lots of folks responsible for the energy mess the country is in and it ain't all the big refiners that are gouging us. Each of us is partially to blame. Bu now you might guess I'm sympathetic to the big oil boyz, sorta. . .they feed my family and yes they do it well. I will address as many concerns posted here as I know how and the rest will just have to remain a mytery until someone with more oil savvy comwes along. 1. The oil refiners are to blame for the high gas prices: One of my partners in crime likes to compare the price of Nike shoes to gas prices. Nobody gripes about paying 130 bucks for an 8 dollar pair of shoes but don't get em started on gas prices. Anyway, look in your local papar in the business section where it lists all of the stocks and stuff. Somewhere in there you will find the price of gasoline "out the door" from them refineries. I promise, it's there. Right now in the Texas panhandle where the average price for regular unleaded is arounf $1.65, it's goig out of the refineries at 94 cents a gallon. this same 94 cents a gallon is within a dime of what refined gas has been selling for for the last ten years. Once the jobbers take delivery the gas prices are controlled solely by their greed and the market demand. One of the firemen I work with leases a gas station here in town and through him I have learned a lot about unscrupulous jobbers. For those who are not familiar with the jobber moniker, they are the guys who buy the gas from the refineries and transport it to the gas stations. True there are some refiners that still deliver their own gas but they are few and far between. Anywho, my buddy's jobber keeps hasseling him to raise his prices which are already the highest in town, (it's a really small place) He usually does this when questioned as to why his delivered price is so high. The station owner adds 5 cents a gallon by the way. The station owner is at the complete mercy of the jobber and his price fluctuates weekly. Figure the jobber is going to make a 5 cent change for every penny the refiner changes. You want to complain about the price hikes, clobber the jobbers, who by the way are also calling themselves "oil companies" 2. The refiners have all posted record profits for this year: Yes they have! I cannot speak for all companies but the one I work for made lossa money. Part of the reason is that they have been sitting on oil reserves they bought way back in 1972, I'm talking millions of barrels of cheap oil that they have been storing since the days when oil was cheap and they had the forsight to put some back for a rainy day. Once the market was ripe they used these reserves and made millions off it. See, there isn't any shortage of oil, OPEC has decided to control the production to raise the price but it's still there. A lot of companies don't drill for their own oil and rely heavily on exploration and production companies to supply them with oil. Problem is many of them rely too much on OPEC countries to supply it. Big oil companies don't rely on gas prices for their profit margins, there's a whole grocery list of products in a barrel of oil that bring in a lot more money than gas. It goes like this, buy a barrel of oil (42 gallons) for 29 bucks and refine it until you get everything you can out of it. the profit you end up with after everything is factored in, (costs of refining, final prices of products, etc.) is called the "Crack Spread" (it's an old refining term) Historically, the crack spread has run around 2 to 3 dollars a barrel. This is what refiners call profit, for the last year the crack spread has remained above 9 dollars a gallon and peaked at close to 13 a few times. It's not all about gasoline, we make products in our chemicals division that sell for a couple of thousand bucks a gallon. But that's another story. All in all gas is still a bargain when you consider how much it costs to make now compared to twenty years ago. We have to buy electricity and water and fuel gas just like everyone else and believe me it isn't cheap. An example: we have one furnace in our plant that uses 15 million standard cubic feet per day of natural gas as feed which it converts to hydrogen for use in sulfur removal(yes this is all the result of environmental regs) it also uses 30 million scfd of the same gas to fire the burners (all 194 of them). This is purchased from another company and we pay through the nose for it. This is from ONE furnace and there are dozens in the plant. Look at your gas bill and compare your usage to this. You want to lower gas prices? Bottom line, stop driving so much. Get rid of the gas guzzling SUV's and start using less gas. Big oil companies are suffering from a lack of refining capacity and the solution is still years away even if they do get permission to build more refineries. It takes ten to fifteen years to build one refinery so that idea for a solution just flew south. As long as there is a demand for the stuff like we are seeing now it's going to continue to rise. In last year's American petroleum Institute meeting, it was predicted that by the year 2006, you will not be able to buy a new vehicle that is not a hybrid of some sort. This was backed up by the major auto manufacturers by the way so get ready. Why? Because we are using too much gas, PERIOD! After the big scare in the seventies, there was a major effort to increase fuel economy and people started actually using less gasoline, well, it worked. Refineries started closing as a result of lower demand and the trend lasted long enough that oil companies bulldozed the refineries that were mothballed and sold others to smaller companies who could not compete with the newer, larger, more efficient refineries and eventually shut down. then all of a sudden gas got cheap again and SUV's got a stranglehold on the market and the whole world started using boatloads of gas again. The only hitch is the refiners got caught with their collective pants down and can't keep up. Like I said, there's lots of oil, just not enough capacity to make gas out of it. Until there is, you and I will have to be the answer. There's no magic cure, and there ain't gonmna be one for a lotta years. Did you ever think that if a big oil company could get a rediculous price for a product they would be jumping through hoops to make more of it? The bottom line is that they are jumping through those hoops as I write this but it's going to take time to realize the results. Rest assured they are counting on our continued high usage to finance these projects. sorry, for the long winded post, but I had to vent. I'll try to answer any questions you guys might have since I know this is going to fire a lot of you up. thanks for listening |
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Europe and North America should never be compared with prices. We are two very different places, culturealy and geographily (sp?). We can't just go using all the so-called "good power sources". The flooding from hydro power destroys massive amounts of wildlife habitat and is argueally just as bad as other source. Wind Power stations require massive enviromental damage when they are established (needs lots of land to create the required power) Solar Power...ever wonder what goes into the making of solar power panels? I bet the energy and chemicals that get put into making them and no better for the environment than anything else. simple fact: Power is not clean or evironmentally safe. Sorry for going so off topic, and my spelling...I am really do crappy right now, time to go home. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif |
Unit 5302:
Good thread and I have little to add to the cogent comments already posted, although I do disagree with some of them, especially the fatuous ones that accuse President Bush of promoting an energy policy that was designed simply to enrich him or his 'friends'. That's wrong, as are the naive, 'Daddy' remarks that some seem to swallow whole from liberal media shills. But these are small points in a pretty wide-ranging discuassion. I don't have the time right now to get into this in depth, but anyone who believes government price controls on gasoline are some sort of solution, are seriously misguided. Think 1973. Price controls do not work in an otherwise free economy and are not a viable response. We don't want to go there. One simple reason for our gas shortage is obvious...more people. Our population (America) is growing and so is our vehicle ownership, which means bigger demand for gas, despite the huge advances in gasoline efficiency of todays vehicles. Finally; taxes on gas are very high. They are not coming down. My state (Connecticut) has one the highest gas taxes in the nation. We also are required to use the reformulated gas, which adds to the price. It all hurts. The Bush energy plan (and I haven't studied it in detail) has over 40 conservation measures and is a plan for the future, not a quick fix, ala Clinton. There is no quick fix and I don't want the government trying to provide one and screwing up the situation. This what usually happens when a bunch of self-serving politicians get in the way. We cry for somebody to 'fix it' and they come out of the woodwork, like roaches. Six months later you're paying still more and nothing is fixed, while the Republicans and Democrats try to pin the blame on each other and everybody wants to blame the President. I may have a few more thoughts at a later date, but I've enjoyed the input on this subject which affects us all, liberal or conservative, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian or Independent. I don't believe the Bush plan is all that bad, and the fact that he was bold enough to propose one at all (unlike Clinton) is impressive, in itself. |
I agree wholehertedly on the issue of government price controls on ANYTHING! Have you EVER heard of a government program that worked? Better yet, have you ever seen any form of industry in the world that benefitted from government intervention? Look what happened when the EPA got into regulating the auto industry. True they are finally getting vehicles close to a harmonic balance concerning emissions and performance but it took 25 years to undo what our Bozos in Washington caused. Look what happened to California when the good ole gub'ment decided to help the power industry. . .can you say "Disaster"?
By the way, the results were released this week. . . today's cars average the worst mileage in 20 years. |
You would think a high demand would mean lower costs to the buyer.
It's the taxes man, that's what's hurtin' us! Stupid taxes. |
As far as China having a right to be pissed off, that has more to do with us basically stealing their fighters a few years back, keeping them and then billing them for storage. Not their idiot pilots losing flight time because MS Flight Simulator crashed again, LOL.
Bush's long term goals are not bad, there just aren't any short term one's like holding a session on Price Gouging. The refinery's and American Oil company's are making record profits, big mergers have enabled them to Price Fix. This needs to be addressed, now. The problem we have with nuclear fusion is exactly the opposite of superconductors. To create fusion, the temperature needs to be close to the Sun. Am I not correct in my statement when I say halogen headlamps burn hotter than the surface of the sun? As far as the oil companies making more gas because it's so profitable, it's not. Neither is sugar, or wheat, or many other products used in the huge quantities like gas is. What causes this is competition. The oil industry has eliminated most of this by merging, so it allows them to price fix for a higher profit. (See record profits while most other industries are getting setbacks due to a slowing economy) 15 years to build a refinery? Just wait and see what happens when the demand goes through the roof. If they can build the Mall of America here in MN in just a couple years, they can certainly pump out a refinery in like time if so desired. Tryme, ever heard of supply and demand? The more people that want something, the more it's worth. |
Can I just say...I told you so?
I remember when Bush was being elected a huge debate on the board about how everything was going to heck in a handbasket with environmental regulations at the hands of the democrats that could be elected? I find it ironic now that everyone has issues with the president they voted for not caring about power outages and gas prices. That is all. |
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This is goes for CA power crisis also. Refineries and power plants are big dirty things that no one wants in their back yard. Lots of polititions took advantage of this by saying, "I won't build power plants". Well **** , populations grow (in some areas, such as CA) and fuel demands increase. All of a sudden supply excedes demand and well, here we are. This situation is a product of what people DIDN'T DO 6-10 years ago, not what has happened in the last year. This is NOT anything new to anyone that actually follows or studies this. Of course the media has the attention span of a gnat and complicated issues like this don't generate ratings until they bite you in the *** . Quote:
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Hey, guess what? China flies, has flown, and will continue to fly the SAME sorts of flights over INTERNATIONAL WATER as we do. The USSR has done the same thing and continues to do so. There was NOTHING illegal or COVERT about that flight. The only catch China has is that they claim a 200 mile cost line terratory. The only reason they do so is because they, Vietnam, and Korea all have claims to the Spratley Islands which are uninhabided, but appear to have large oil reserves. |
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"The oil industry has eliminated most of this by merging, so it allows them to price fix for a higher profit. (See record profits while most other industries are getting setbacks due to a slowing economy)"
This shows some confusion about the facts. Unlike the big ATT monopoly oil companies don't merge to fix prices. THey do it as a matter of survival. Too many opportunistic people are forever looking to make a quick strike in the stock market by making runs at small businesses and oil companies are no exception. Big oil is looking for smaller oil companies to take over. It's a cheap and esy way to obtain reserves, refining capacity and lower debt ratios. Phillips petroleum is in the process of buying Tosco in a wholesale buyout and it should benefit both companies. Phillips has already replaced 600 percent of it's oil production in 2000 alone. This means they don't have to rely on foreign oil for their bread and butter. Buying Tosco gives them one thing. . .refineries! Tosco has no E&P (exploration and production)division and relies on the market to buy oil from anyone who can sell it to them. True, combining the two will produce the third largest oil company in the country but more importantly it will assure their survival. THe biggest single reason for the mergers is cash. Very soon the whole country will require low sulfur fuels and this costs bilions to make happen. If your small oil company doesn't have the capital to make the modifications to the refineries they will go under. It's better to have some deep pockets backing your efforts when the time comes so that hopefully you don't go under. In a few years the federal government is going to require lower cetanes in diesel fuel and the present technology required to do this would cost several hundred million dollars to implement in one refinery. Believe me it's something they are trying to plan for and have been for some time. "15 years to build a refinery? Just wait and see what happens when the demand goes through the roof. If they can build the Mall of America here in MN in just a couple years, they can certainly pump out a refinery in like time if so desired." Wrong Kimosabe! Building a mall is no comparison to the engineering and permitting nightmare a refinery is. We are in the middle of a de-bottlenecking project where I work that will ultimately allow us to increase our throughput from 130,000 barrels per day to about 150,000 bpd. The design stage took three years and all it entails is one column and a reactor bed. (no not nuclear. . just a term for a catalyst bed operation)Building the thing has been ongoing for two years. This is about one fiftieth of our refinery. Remember, the towers and assorted vessels you see poking up through the skyline at a refinery have to come from Asia, (Korea, JApan etc) and they have to hire a boat to haul one of these towers to the good ole US and then make 65 miles a day to deliver it down the road. Add to this the year it takes to manufacture one. There's a reason they don't build refineries any more and it's because by the time they do the ribbon cutting on one we'll be riding horses again. What you WILL see is the refineries we have now running with their foot to the floor and doing it as efficiently as possible. Did you know it takes 20 years to get the proper permits to build a gas fired furnace in this country? This is what Good ole George Dubya has been talking about recently. Oh. . .and by the way. . .in case you didn't notice, the demand went through the roof about a year ago. It's like I said, you either quit using so much of the stuff or you pay the price. I will make one prediction. . .you aren't likely to see prices go down very much in this decade. |
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Thanks for the comments...good points. Re: Population. Don't forget immigration, mostly illegal - and even illegals drive cars. Our highways are choked because not only are there more of us but everyone owns two or more cars. It adds up to lot of demand for fuel, along with other reasons offered, such as urban sprawl. Demand means higher prices. Always does when the source is finite and you can't simply 'make more'. Simple. I don't believe there is all that much 'price-gouging' going on, although profit-taking is a given and no crime, if not manipulated by secret agreement. The oil companies have been 'investigated' time and again (last year in fact, by a liberal Democrat administration) and never found to be doing much of anything illegal. If they had, you would have known it by now - trust me. I think the cry of "price-gouging" becomes a straw man for politicians and the media, who need a villan to attack and blame, every time the gas price goes up. Bush has a reasonable plan but the Democrats have to reject it; it's a knee-jerk reaction for them. Lots of non-political folks just want the price to come down - "NOW, dammit!" - and have no concern with how we got here and how to insure long-term stability for our energy supply and pricing. This feeds the cycle. As for China (sub-issue): They are a third-world country run by thugs with guns who are dangerous and no friends of ours. I don't care what the Chinese 'leaders' think about anything, as long as they realize that they have no chance of winning a conflict with the U.S. and that we now have a President that will not kiss Chinese butt to avoid a conflict of any kind, while they do as they please. Again; China is a captive, third-world country run by gangsters and is not a 'partner' with the U.S., just because we buy Chinese goods. That could end if they push it too far, and they would lose way more than us. We're fortunate to have a President that knows his friends and knows who to keep an eye on at all times. China is rich in soldiers but poor in every other area, including weapons, and they know it as well as we do. Don't help these thugs who murder their own people to stay in power and threaten neighbors, and us. Buy American. |
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Can you believe that lawmakers here in Minnesota are considering allowing illegal immigrants to get drivers licenses?
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Did you know that you can take the drivers test in languages other than english? Funny, no road signs are ever in anything other than english however.
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Power, I had no problems driving in Quebec where all the road signs are in French.
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I did not here anyone complaining last year when the price of Gas was next to nothing. Noone stops to think of all the thousands of people that lose there jobs when the price of gas drops. The oil industry is up and down always has been and always will be. Just think about it if oil prices drop to thirty cents a gallon noone will bother drilling for oil in america a buttload of people would be unemployeed and then the middle East would have us by the balls. Us in the oilfield have had years of hard times its about time we can have security in our jobs. George Bush knows how the oilfield works. It was dumb @ss bill clinton that opened up the American reserves before he left office causing local prices to skyrocket. You dont get as successful as George Bush by being as stupid as the liberal media portrays him to be. Better him than Al gore wouldnt you love racing your 40 horsepower electric car.
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Oil companies are posting ALL TIME RECORD PROFIT's in what has been a slowing economy. This right after a huge merger in the industry. It was found last fall that there was no reasonable explaination for fuel costs being so high. Our legislature also found no immediate need to intervene with a price gouging suit. Gas prices dropped almost immediately by $0.20 to $0.30 a gallon. They were right back to where they were a few weeks later. There are 3 refinery's in the midwest that were shutdown unexpectedly along with a 4th that was producing bad gas. (Not Taco Bell) CA blackouts have little to do with natural supply and demand. They have more to do with the power companies going under and not making their loans because they were forced into charging a certain amount by the Government. Drilling for American reserves helps American oil companies. Are you really sure you want to argue that? It also allow us to control the price of our oil a little as well. I won't argue that. Fuel is the cheapest for the US because we buy the most. It's like shopping at Wal Mart vs Snyders. I really hate that stupid comparision. Gas is cheapest in the US so we shouldn't complain. What an absolutely skewed comment. Would you like to compare our useage to another country? Maybe we should all be spazzing out because the US has crap for mass transit? Oh, wait, that's because most places in the US don't have similar population density's as the country's you are comparing us to. Say former West Germany, which is about the same size as MN and WI, but it's population was over 60 million. Comparing us to other countries is like comparing a Model T to an F360 Modena. |
I HAVE TO SAY THAT I ALSO WORK IN THE OIL INDUSTRY AND THERE ARE LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE PISSED ABOUT THE GAS PRICES AND DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT WHATS REALLY GOING ON! IT DOES'NT MATTER WHO IS IN OFFICE BECAUSE HE IS GETTING HIS STRINGS PULLED BY THE PEOPLE YOU DONT READ MUCH ABOUT. HE HAS SOME POWER BUT ITS REALLY HARD FOR A NEW PRES TO JUST WALK IN AND KICK DOWN THE DOORS. OIL RUNS THIS COUNTRY, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT REALLY HARD EVERY THING HAS SOME TIE-IN WITH OIL. IF THE OIL COMPANIES DONT MAKE PROFITS THEY LAY OFF WORKERS AND IT BEGINS A SNOBALL EFFECT THAT KEEPS GOING UNTIL THE COUNTRY REALIGNS ITSELF. DONT LET ANYONE FOOL YA INTO THINKING WE HAVE TO BUY OIL FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY CUS WE DONT! ITS CHEAPER UP FRONT BECAUSE YOU DONT HAVE TO BUILD A PRODUCTION ORGANIZATION AND THE MONEY THAT IS NEEDED TO KEEP IT GOING. SOME DONT REALIZE THAT CONSTANTLY PEOPLE ARE USING NEW TECHNOLOGY TO FIND OIL. THEY KNOW WHERE IT IS, THEY JUST DONT WANT TO TAP INTO IT UNTIL THE PRICE IS UP SO THEY CAN MAKE A PREMIUM PRICE. JUST LOOK AROUND AT THE DRILLING RIGS EVERWHERE. COMPANIES ARE ON LISTS WAITING TO DRILL BECAUSE ONCE THE FIX WAS ON THE PRICES, THEY WERE READY TO MAKE A BUNDLE. HOW BETTER TO SLOW DOWN THE ECONOMY THAN HIT PEOPLE IN A WAY THEY CANT CONTROL. ALSO THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH STORAGE FOR OIL. IF THE DEMAND GOES UP THEY DONT ALWAYS PULL FROM THESE STORAGE FACILITIES, THEY JUST BRING IN OIL FROM THE PRODUCERS. ITS A GAME THEY ARE GETTING CLOSE TO PERFECTING. WHEN THEY DO LOOK OUT! FINDING YOURSELF COMPARING US TO EUROPE. YOU BETTER. FIRST COMES THE HIGH PRICES THEN COMES THE LITTLE WIMPY CARS AND MOTORCYCLES EVERWHERE. BUT THEY STILL RUN THE PRICE OF GAS UP TO FOUR AND FIVE DOLLARS A GALLON. THE DEMAND DROPS SO THEY COMPENSATE WITH PRICE. I DONT KNOW WHERE THE WHEEL WILL STOP, BUT ITS NOT GOING TO STOP UNTIL EVERYONE HAS BEEN RUN OVER. THANKS FOR READING THIS @#$T!
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It does have to do with supply and demand when the supply is cut-off for political reasons while demand continues to grow until demand out grows supply and here we are... You have 5 apples and six friends and daddy won't let you have any more apples... Quote:
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Anyway, what exactly are you bitching about? Artificial price raises? Fair enough. But lack of mass transit? Too low of taxes? Whatever. And very little of this has to do with Bush (as of yet). [This message has been edited by 97snakedriver (edited 05-22-2001).] |
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