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Mr 5 0 · 05-12-2002, 01:46 PM

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Interesting info regarding your state, which I know has gone liberal for some time, much like CT. Paul Wellstone is a fair match for 'Cryin' Joe' Lieberman and Chris ('Castro-lover') Dodd.

I understand that Wellstone is doing poorly in the polls and his vow of limiting his terms to two went out the window, losing him a lot of credibility. Good. I wish Norm Coleman, well. Jesse Ventura, too, for that matter.

We have the same insanity in the housing market but it's skewed by the serious wealth present on Connecticut's 'gold coast'; the southern portion of the state that borders New York; Westport, Darian, Weston, Greenwich, etc. where stately homes go for millions and millions of dollars.

I live near Roxbury where a ton of celebrities reside, at least part-time. Lots of writers and actors (including Arthur Miller, Meryl Streep, Tom Brokaw and on and on).

My town, 12 miles away, is very middle class with a suburban/rural mix to it. A few expensive homes here and there but mostly middle-class homes, a good school system (which is why I moved here) and a referendum mechanism which gives residents control over the town budgets (it's a fight every year).

As a small state with cities that are all around 100,000 (as opposed to the almost 400,000 Minneapolis population) we have slighty different problems.

One of our problems is that our cities have totally died. They are populated by mostly monority welfare types and the tax base is about gone, in many cases, with the exception of Hartford, which had to beg a lot of the big national insurance companies to keep home offices in the city. Most are doing the bulk of their business in huge office complexes in the Hartford suburbs (where I used to work for The Hartford) leaving the 'home office' mostly an expensive, heavily-taxed shell and a symbol. Nothing more.

State aid to the cities is often half their budget, meaning that our state taxes (we have a state income tax as well as a sales tax) is going to support these desolated cities, filled with welfare clients, drug-and-gang-riddled and practically hopeless.

Bridgeport is the worst, and the mayor and most of his staff have been indicted for various forms of theft, as has the Waterbury mayor, who had child molestation charges thrown in so he's still in prison awaiting trial. It's a mess, yet our idiot Democrat legislature wants to keep pouring millions into these cities and tax the suburbs for it. This is not going down well, even with a huge liberal, soccer-mom, SUV-driving suburban population.

The liberal Democrat politicians propose huge, multi-million dollar 'projects' (sports stadiums, convention centers, etc) that bring some people into the city - for a few hours - then they drive right back out to suburbia and all this does little to nothing for the residents of the cities.

What they need is a decent, school system, safe streets and, as you noted in your post on MN, affordable housing so that middle-class folks can live there. No chance that will happen.

It's a mess and our taxes just go higher as people and businesses leave the state.

I checked the '99 U.S. census data
http://www.census.gov/govs/statetax/...nk_501.htmland

I found MN was 12th, CT 18th in total tax burden. Lucky you, you win the tax-burden contest! Pay at the door.

It's been interesting trading state misery and incompetence information with you, Kell. I actually feel a bit better knowing I'm not the only one who has to contend with total idiots for politicians that can't understand Economics 101 (high taxes and insane environmental policies discourage businesses from investing in your state) and just want to tax and spend our productive citizens into poverty in order to make everyone equally poor. Socialism is alive and well in America and gaining fast.

I wish you well.

05-12-2002, 01:46 PM	#16
Mr 5 0 Conservative Individualist Join Date: May 1997 Location: Wherever I need to be Posts: 7,487	State comparisons Unit: Interesting info regarding your state, which I know has gone liberal for some time, much like CT. Paul Wellstone is a fair match for 'Cryin' Joe' Lieberman and Chris ('Castro-lover') Dodd. I understand that Wellstone is doing poorly in the polls and his vow of limiting his terms to two went out the window, losing him a lot of credibility. Good. I wish Norm Coleman, well. Jesse Ventura, too, for that matter. We have the same insanity in the housing market but it's skewed by the serious wealth present on Connecticut's 'gold coast'; the southern portion of the state that borders New York; Westport, Darian, Weston, Greenwich, etc. where stately homes go for millions and millions of dollars. I live near Roxbury where a ton of celebrities reside, at least part-time. Lots of writers and actors (including Arthur Miller, Meryl Streep, Tom Brokaw and on and on). My town, 12 miles away, is very middle class with a suburban/rural mix to it. A few expensive homes here and there but mostly middle-class homes, a good school system (which is why I moved here) and a referendum mechanism which gives residents control over the town budgets (it's a fight every year). As a small state with cities that are all around 100,000 (as opposed to the almost 400,000 Minneapolis population) we have slighty different problems. One of our problems is that our cities have totally died. They are populated by mostly monority welfare types and the tax base is about gone, in many cases, with the exception of Hartford, which had to beg a lot of the big national insurance companies to keep home offices in the city. Most are doing the bulk of their business in huge office complexes in the Hartford suburbs (where I used to work for The Hartford) leaving the 'home office' mostly an expensive, heavily-taxed shell and a symbol. Nothing more. State aid to the cities is often half their budget, meaning that our state taxes (we have a state income tax as well as a sales tax) is going to support these desolated cities, filled with welfare clients, drug-and-gang-riddled and practically hopeless. Bridgeport is the worst, and the mayor and most of his staff have been indicted for various forms of theft, as has the Waterbury mayor, who had child molestation charges thrown in so he's still in prison awaiting trial. It's a mess, yet our idiot Democrat legislature wants to keep pouring millions into these cities and tax the suburbs for it. This is not going down well, even with a huge liberal, soccer-mom, SUV-driving suburban population. The liberal Democrat politicians propose huge, multi-million dollar 'projects' (sports stadiums, convention centers, etc) that bring some people into the city - for a few hours - then they drive right back out to suburbia and all this does little to nothing for the residents of the cities. What they need is a decent, school system, safe streets and, as you noted in your post on MN, affordable housing so that middle-class folks can live there. No chance that will happen. It's a mess and our taxes just go higher as people and businesses leave the state. I checked the '99 U.S. census data http://www.census.gov/govs/statetax/...nk_501.htmland I found MN was 12th, CT 18th in total tax burden. Lucky you, you win the tax-burden contest! Pay at the door. It's been interesting trading state misery and incompetence information with you, Kell. I actually feel a bit better knowing I'm not the only one who has to contend with total idiots for politicians that can't understand Economics 101 (high taxes and insane environmental policies discourage businesses from investing in your state) and just want to tax and spend our productive citizens into poverty in order to make everyone equally poor. Socialism is alive and well in America and gaining fast. I wish you well.