CHEVY VS. FORD THE SAGA CONTINUES

[5.0KILLER]

why do so many of you ford guys think the Z28 is such a slug when the fact is they are faster than the gt's stock. I am not saying there are no fast stangs but for the most part the Z is faster. as for some of you guys who thing they are junk and the break and fall apart, have you driven one? probably not. because mine runs and looks great and its 6 years old and bone stock and have still never lost to any mustangs.

[stamper99Z]

Haha, no replies
I love my car with 35K on it, no problems at all yet. Most cars out there are stock and yes the LS1's still edge the Gt's and Cobra's. I respect the 4.6's performance for what it is and the high mod capability, but again, most cars on the road are stock. I have been whopped repeatedly by this guy is an 80's stang with big gauges sticking out everywhere and an exhaust that makes my Borla tremble. but I have also repeatedly beat my friends newer Cobra with gears and exhaust pretty easily. All I have is intake, exhaust, stall convertor, and that hypertech programmer. It's addictive and fun and I intend to keep it that way

[Try Me]

Put it together cc boy

I put twenty thousand kilometres on my mothers x's '99 ragtop Corvette the summer before last - i know LS1 power. Smooth, unlimited power. It's always on tap

Do i think F-Body's blow? Hell no!
I think they rock! What stinks is the $40,000 price tags that go with 'em
There's a new WS6 for sale near my place - asking price is around $50K

Oh but wait, your 'Maro is 6 years old.
We're talking Iroc, right?
I've lined them up before, and if you think you can run circles around my slow SN-95 with a stock Iroc, bring a shovel, you'll need it when i bury that thing

[5.0KILLER]

Nope no IROC here LT1 95 Z28, I did have a third gen and i admit it was way slower than my LT1

[Try Me]

Where are you from?

[Power]

Hmmm.....I don't remember anyone saying an LT1 was slow. Maybe you should read the Street Racers Corner forum and search for LT1 threads. Lots of stories of beating LT1's and getting beat by LT1's.

Like my car, I won't win anything unless its something pretty slow. The old girl is tired and needs to be implanted with a new engine.

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1966 Baby blue Coupe, 289, Manual 3-speed, Edelbrock 650, Flowmaster 3-chambers, and minor upgrades. Interior work includes custom paneling, custom dash dress-up(I refuse to cut anything out of the original), Rewiring most of the electronics, Porsche 911 seats installed soon, and Stroker kit when I get to Texas. November of 2001 I will go back to Dallas.

[SkarodoM]

$40k!! good god man, how much are stangs in CA?? The old man was bored and went and looked at stangs, maros and vettes... 01 5spd stang gt 'vert w/ all options was ~$27k, m6 z28 w/ cloth was same price, and '00 blk/blk/blk m6 C5 'vert was $50k

Just curious

[Try Me]

My buddy John paid $72K and change for his C-5 Vert, new.
Corvettes are rich man's car if you ask me

Stangs here (GT of course) range from $27K to $35 for a loaded 'vert.

[horseairplane]

Yall ought to come to Texas. A Loaded 00' GT runs around $23k. 01's are around $24K. A lot of bang for the buck.

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[NTIMD8]

This is truly a class a forum!!!!!! The guy comes in here talking smack and not one person returns it. I am very impressed with this board!!!!!

LT1's are fast as hell but let me tell you something. It is very rare to see a stock Mustang and very rare to see a modded 4th Gen F-body.

Besides talk over the internet is cheap. Its what happens when you are behind the wheel that matters.

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[SkarodoM]

NTIMD8

Soooo true, which is why i got the f-body =P

[dinomite]

Now then. The current camaros are faster than the current mustang, but lets look at some stuff (this is gonna get long):

I hate to bring up the displacement argument, as thats the ricers favorate thing to talk about, but here it applies differently. Ricers always talk about hp/L and how there gerbils make so much of it, sometimes as much as a stock mustang, but that power is made in the stratosphere (9000 rpm) and there is no torque to accompany it (case in point, integra type-r, 195hp, 127 ft/lbs). But between the 4.6L mustang, and the 5.7L camaro engine there is not as much discrepensy as there should be given the displacement. Ok, 2001 models now: Mustang makes 260hp@5250 and 300tq@4000 Camaro: 310@5200 340@4000. Those power and torque numbers occur at same (close) rpms, so you can't say that we only get power cause we rev through the roof. Lets do some quick math: the 4.6 makes 56.5hp/L and 65.2tq/L, the 5.7, 54.3 x 59.6. Where is all the power from that extra 1.1 liters (we have all heard ricers say this)? I just don't know. Where is all the torque (never heard em say this)? same place, up the collective GM a$$hole (sorry, cheap). With that big discrepency in displacement, I'd hope that the Z28 would be faster.

Lets go back a few years, to when the 'stang had a 5.0L and the camaro had the same 5.7; 1991. In this year, the stang and the maro both ran around 15, depending on driver (sources I checked said 15 for stang and 15.1 for maro, thats just driver), but the camaro had another .7 liters! With that extra .7 liters the camaro only made 20 more horses@400 more rpm and 45 more ft/lbs. By the ratios, GM was mising some horses, even thought they were on the ball as far as tq goes. The camaro had .7 extra liters, more power, and a good bit more toque, but still lost/tied. Whats going on

I see the root of all this problem as: GM=bad. DON'T JUMP ON ME TOO QUICK! The reason I say it like that is just because all of GM has really taken a bad turn over the past 15-20 years. As I have already pointed out, they can't engineer, nothing more to be said. The facts show it. But they also can't run a business, once again that is proven, GM themselves know that they are haveing trouble running the business (they loose money on EVERY softop cavalier that they sell), and over the last decade they brought in many a consulting firm to check it out and try to find the problem. Its very hard to pinpoint, as there are so many problems. GM products are badly designed (hello, whats with the new pontiac models??????), badly built (rattleboxes; this is cause they bully their suppliers), and badly marketed.

And one more thing, you cannot even compare the Mustang aftermarket to the Camaro one, the mustang one is indisputably much larger.

We around here don't think that camaros or corvettes are slow, we have respect for them.

5.0KILLER:you came here obviously trying to start fights, but, as you can see with this post, we are not like ricers or chevy people, we are very reasonable and will listen to anyone else who is reasonable. You can stay on the board and we will accept you as long as you don't blatantly start fights like this.

[This message has been edited by dinomite (edited 05-01-2001).]

[dinomite]

Whew, that took a LONG time to write.

I just wanted to reiterate that we will welcome anyone here. We have a number of people who hang out here who don't drive mustangs (camaros, CRX, etc.) but come to this board because it is such a great place. We don't hold uneccessary grudges and will listen to anyone, so I hope that you can come to your senses and join us.

[SkarodoM]

we are not like ricers or chevy people

Brilliant.

[Mustangbelle306]

Not all chevy people start fights...I consider the Chevys that start fights DOMESTIC RICERS!!!!!!

A class allll their own

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