"Chevy vs. Ford" should end, "V8's vs. Rice"
 

I'm thinking Ford and Chevy should put aside their differences and gang up on the ricers out there. I still see a lot of muscle cars going at it which is cool and all but we should all stick together until this "Ricer" fad has gone out of style, WAYYYY out of style. :cool:

since i'm reading this, i'll assume that i am part of "we."

you go right ahead yelowjaket, but i'm going to sit this one out.

LOL, jeez man your assuming we'd wait for you to show up or slow down during a cruise so that you could keep up.:D :D :D :D :D

i think i'd keep up okay with an I-6 stang

Before this gets out of hand, there is no reason for it to be a V8 v. rice grudge.

The Ford/Chevy rivalry has a storied history, and the cars are actually competetive. It would be like asking why there is not Yankee / Expo's rivalry. It's obviously no contest.

Now, when I'm comparing hp and et's with Chevy guys and a ricer pulls up, we (me and Mr. GM) both get a good laugh out of the ricers trying to be fast and cool.

Then we go back to racing each other.

an i-6 most likely, depends on how well you drive. but i'm replacing it currently with a 351w so my sig will be outdated and that can wail on a gti (seen it happen). but the gti's are nice cars just not my thing though.

oh man, i was going home tonight & a white camary, heheheheh what a ghey name for a car, try's to race me through a a bunch of s - curve's & a bridge, he almost ran into 5 or 6 car's, i just let him go, as soon as we got to the straight part of the highway, he want's to turn off, go figure, rice at it's finest. lol i reved him , oh yeah he got off the freeway, i wasnt going to play the i'm the best at running people off the road game, what a ricer dork, but on the wide open highway he ducked, wonder why???? lol stupid ricer's, they are so chicken chit ghey boy's lmao. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D , i guess he is typing on toyota. fag. ghey, about how he smoked a gt stang, really lmao now, moron. :rolleyes:

Here is a thought, why don't we build an I-6 stang, then go race it, I am sure with a little tuning, balancing and porting we could bulid a real "neat" and different mustang.. just a thought. then people couldn't say "you gotta a V8 ya better beat me"

just a thought

yeah that would be neat, not too sure how much power you could coax out of the little 200 i-6 and finding stuff for the engine is a real *****. but it could be worth looking into.

lets make it mustangworks new project car, we could call it "project revolver" or "project serious injury", and get the pres. to pay for it all! hehe

Re: "Chevy vs. Ford" should end, "V8's vs. Rice"
 

Long Winded But Very truthful:eek:

Uhm Pardon Me But....
almost half of americian Cars these Days have parts made in mexico and canada and china etc it helps Ford and chevy and Jeep etc stay Competitive. Chevy "Although I Hate GM" with a passion stoped Building the One car that was out pacing the rice rockets the Base Model Z-28 and ther 3800 V-6. Ford employees Got the the day off when Chevy annonced to the Public that it was no longer building V-8 Rear wheel Drive Cars, This Inculded the Caprice as well as the Camaroe and Firebird. The only One left is the Hand Built rear wheel drive Corvette. Why do you think we have so many Flavors of Mustangs Now The V-6 The Gt The Snake and the Mach One And Ford Makes the Crown Victory the Only Police Cruiser Left. If GM or Dodge doesnt step Up to the Plate and after seeing what Dodge stepped Up to the Plate with Im scared Really scared, Ford will Dominate the Rear wheel drive V-8 Market because there the Only ones making them. Fhew:p

Dodge is trying to step up with the Neon SRT-4(?). That thing is a rocket posting sub 6 sec times in 0-60 and claiming a top speed of 148 mph. it also if I remember right has a low 14 sec time in the quarter. That is more than enough to give a stock GT fits. I do agree though that Dodge doesn't have rear wheel drive sports car anymore like a Mustang or Camaro. Hopefully there will be further additions to their lineup. GM is trying to respond to Ford's domination of rear wheel driven vehicles but I think we're still a few years away from seeing that come to fruitation.
As far as rice goes, ignore them like me and if they rev at you smoke 'em and they tend to leave you alone. It's a fad and will disappear eventually. But give them credit for forcing the Big Three automakers here to come up with some performance compact cars(Focus, Neon).

I hate GM too but I have been saying this for years....

Ricers don't even try me anymore. I don't get the stare down or the fart/rev anymore.:( *Stupid snake on my car, it's so scary* I got one ricer fly by when I was turning though. Good for him.

I like the GM/Ford competition, I just hate people who need to bust on the other make. "Rustang, Slowbra" How childish is that???:rolleyes:

If a ricer can keep up, more power to him! But they aren't what Ford was thinking about when they made the 03 Cobra....at least not little GTi's;) :p

just a note on the whole police car thing, Chrysler and GM do make cop cars, Intrepid and Impala, bot front wheel drive and alot smaller inside once it is all loaded down with cage, gun rack, computer ect..... they kinda suck

If you stuffed in a 4.9L straight six (which i know you can do) it would be worth it, but the 140/170/200/250 straight sixes aren't worth the time and money. You would have to be able to fabricate a new intake manifold (instead of "intake log" welded to cylinder head) and flow balance it to even have a chance to make 1 hp/cubic inch naturally aspirated, let alone more hp....although that is a novel idea.
With 200 cubic inches and 88 net horsepower, those early 80's straight sixes aren't exactly power houses. I think the 250 six had a little over 100 horsepower, though....which is almost enough to squeek the tires under a redline clutch drop :D

This is just an "add fuel to the fire" post:

Apparently no one remembers the Jaguar I-6 engine. It was a DOHC 200cu.in. (based upon the old Ford 200), fuel injected engine, and discontinued a short while back. Just think if you mebbe added a good turbo and some good tuning to that thing! Torquey, baby. :cool:

Oh, I don't think a 300 would be too cool. Looking at my old truck, I think the air cleaner would poke about 10 inches above the hood. :)

i was thinking of the 300 i-6 swap, but with the fuel injected version. i think that one would be fun:D :D :D

As much as I love jags, (grew up with them) The Jag I6 belongs in only one car... a jag... although a Jag V12 might be neet in a 95+ stang hehe.

If I remember my jags correctly they had a 3.8 I6 and a 4.2 I6 I don't remember any thing about a 3.3 I6, correct me if I am wrong.

Just think if you used the 300 ci I6 you could bore it out just a little more and leave the 5.0 badges on the car... talk about "sleeper"

From what I have been told about the 300 they can be made into real "stump" pullers, I had often thought about it and thought it would be neet..

talk ta ya

Are we talking about the Ford Big six?
 

Didnt they make a 4.9L Big straight six On there last run?

Are we talking about the Ford Big six?
 

Didnt they make a 4.9L Big straight six On there last run?

about the Neon SRT and the Ricers out there:

I'll never get off on granny driving under 4000 RPM's then snap your neck when the turbo kicks in. Or unintentional lane changes because of the torque steer. No thank you! I'll keep my rear wheel drive feel like I'm being pushed by a rocket, instead of pulled by a mule V8 engine baby! And I'd rather be a real driver and steer with my foot instead of fighting a steering wheel!

I don't know....I think the only reason that ricer's are all about there little civics and crap, is because it's all they've driven....and If they ever got behind the wheel of a rear wheel drive V8 they and put on the gas, especially around a left turn....they probably sh*t their pants and kissed the ground after they got it stopped, then crawled right back to their little econo-sh*tboxes and SAFELY drove home. Basically they drive their 4 bangers for the same reason my wife does, because she's scared of having to actually DRIVE a V8 rear wheel drive car. Then they say crap like, "oh all you o is spin tires", or OH this is a good one, "You bought a Mustang because you don't know how to MAKE horsepower" HAHAHAHA, a Vdubber said that to me! HAHAHA---more like they think 300HP is alot and they bought a 90HP car to start so it's a major accomplishment when they get 300! Well, I bought a 225HP car to start and it'd be my accomplishment to get 600HP if I wanted to!

I agree with the Duece..... there is a Chevy-Ford rivalry for a reason, and it should stay a friendly one. I too hate the Rustang comments----especially when they say it about a foxbody......I haven't ever seen a rusted Fox?!

OK...I'll stop now!:D

in response to LX5091's comments:

different people have different objectives when it comes to selecting a car. just because you are interested in performance, doesn't mean that your primary concern is straight-line performance per dollar. some people want to be different. they might loathe the idea of going to the track and being one of 10 black mustangs there.

another factor is insurance. i am 24 with a clean driving record, my insurance on my gti is 3 times lower than it would be for a mustang or camaro. some people like mustangs, but don't like them enough to pay 200 or 300 extra a month in insurance.

as far as FWD, there are a heck of a lot of people serious about performance and racing that are in front-wheel drive. FWD, RWD, and AWD all have their attributes when it comes to going fast. if you don't recognize that, you are fooling yourself.

Lots of Mustangs
 

That may be true for the general public, but this is a Mustang board. I personally, am elated to see lots of Mustangs at the track.

Rev

Re: Lots of Mustangs
 

Not only is this a Mustang Board But I think the True start of this issue was in the fact that GM no Longer makes a rear wheel drive V-6 or V-8 Dodge hasnt made one In I dont know How Long Ford is the last one Left. If an americian Company doesnt step up to the plate and Make an affordable Rear wheel drive V-8 car or V-6 The affordable Muscle car is Very close to its death bed. I cant afford a Corvette Besides I hate GM products and the Viper Is Ugly some Choice Huh?

Different?!?! I wish I saw 10 black mustangs around here. I see 5 fart cans for every V8 with exhaust! But that's just here, I'm sure it is a different story in other areas.

No lie, insurance does suck!:rolleyes: I think that's why I see more econo cars with exhaust around here. I'm one of 5 Cobras I have seen in my area. I feel unique.

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Scott Congrats on Graduating from Penn State that was a Long hard road? I am so happy you made it throw :cool: :cool: :D ;)

I'm not crazy about straight line performance......when I start spending money on my car it will be spent on handling! Anyway....I don't know where you live, but in MA insurance premiums are not effected by the type of car unless it happens to be on the "high theft vehicle list" then you pay extra, other-wise I pay the same for my mustang as I do for my Isuzu 4x4 pickup as I do for my wife's Saturn as I used to for my Wrangler convertible! I do get a discount for the extra airbag in the Saturn that's it. Sur in RACING they do each have their own special characteristics, as well as on the street...and I was commenting on why many people stay away from rear-wheel drive....I didn't say FWD was useless.

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Thank you very much!:D Yeah, it was pretty tough, but it still was a blast. Thanks again!:)

damn man, my friends with a gti and the other a civic pays more a month than i do it all depends where you live really. hell i (22 with clean driving too) pay $88 a month for insurance with 3 million liability, collision and comprehensive. my friends pay about $130 a month respectivly. thats a big difference.

What is good about FWD for racing? The weight transfer in a front drive is fundamentally wrong for both drag racing and handling; stepping on the accelerator transfers the weight of the car away from the drive wheels. Just because people race them doesn't mean they are good for it. I could walk backwards to get to the bathroom if I wanted to, but I won't...
Sure there are a lot of FWD cars that handle decently, but this isn't because they are FWD.

Well, why not? You could spend a whole lot of money for a personal trainer to get your backwards walking really fast. You could get a pair of really crazy cross trainers too! When walking to the bathroom, you still won't beat me in my forward walking work shoes, but hey, at least you'd be different and look sooo cool!!!:D :p ;)

My way of dealing with rice for years was to gun it but now after many years I just stick my hand out the window give them the thumbs down and make the loudest fartting noise I can. Hey it always makes them go away. Funny too I have an 88 Civic, cheap, dependable. When I drive it, Stock mind you, there is always one retard that revs his engine at me. When this happens I just look at the guy and laugh. The best was when my exhaust rusted off, every 'tard on the road revved on me. I agree with the rear drive arguement too, my 66 takes a corner too fast and it turns into a carosel ride, but man it can launch.................

Re: "Chevy vs. Ford" should end, "V8's vs. Rice"
 

I hate to break it to you, but the ricer revolution is here to stay. Dont hold your breath for this "fad" to go away anytime soon.

I used to have an '83 Mercury Zephyr and i wanted to swap an engine to it. The 200 six has a unique crossmember that's great for swapping in rear sump 460's and 300 straight sixes. A couple of people on a now-dead message board had 4.9L's in their fairmonts and the way they achieved this was i believe (if i can remember off the top of my head) by using 2 left side motor mounts out of a late 60's econoline van....forget what engine. A 300 six would fit with the stock air cleaner but anything more required hood clearance.
A Fuel injected 300 straight six would be pretty awesome as well, but i think they were only speed density systems, with tiny injectors and small intake ports. thay would only be able to be modified by extrude honing or by porting, whereas old carbed sixes had aftermarket offenhauser intake manifolds for 4 barrel carbs.
But....how much work do you feel like doing :p