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Ty'97Cobra 02-05-2003 05:50 PM

Close Pass by F14
 
http://www.fuelslut.com/hosting/uploads/f18.jpg

Go get em Maverick!

Bad Dad 02-05-2003 06:52 PM

Real Close!:eek:

srv1 02-05-2003 07:26 PM

i would assume that is photoshoped. i mean being that close to an airplane of speed over mach 1(?) would throw those guys off the deck. correct me if i am wrong.

Ty'97Cobra 02-05-2003 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by srv1
i would assume that is photoshoped. correct me if i am wrong.
"That shot off of the America is very widely used….most people seem to initially think it is either an edited photo, or a risky maneuver. What was it?

It's not risky at all with practice…it was my opening pass to a Tomcat tactical demonstration at sea. I started from the starboard rear quarter of the ship, at or slightly below flight deck level. Airspeed was at about 250 knots with the wings swept forward. I selected afterburner at about 1/2 mile behind and the aircraft accelerated to about 325-330 knots. As I approached the ship, I rolled into an 85 degree angle of bank and did a 2-3 g turn, finishing about 10- 20 degrees off of the ship's axis. It was a very dramatic and, in my opinion, a very cool way to start a carrier demo. The photo was taken by an Aviation Boson's Mate who worked the flight deck on the USS America. Just as an aside...the individual with his arms behind his back is Admiral Jay Johnson, the immediate past Chief of Naval Operations for the Navy."

jj_jonathon 02-05-2003 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by srv1
i would assume that is photoshoped. i mean being that close to an airplane of speed over mach 1(?) would throw those guys off the deck. correct me if i am wrong.
mach1 is the speed of sound, you need permission to go that fast, theres no way he would be doing mach 1 that close to the ship and that low...

but yea...theyd get blow away form the plane IMO even if it wasnt going mach 1...

that aside....its a damn cool pic! :)

mustangII460 02-05-2003 07:57 PM

oops

srv1 02-05-2003 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ty'97Cobra
"That shot off of the America is very widely used….most people seem to initially think it is either an edited photo, or a risky maneuver. What was it?

It's not risky at all with practice…it was my opening pass to a Tomcat tactical demonstration at sea. I started from the starboard rear quarter of the ship, at or slightly below flight deck level. Airspeed was at about 250 knots with the wings swept forward. I selected afterburner at about 1/2 mile behind and the aircraft accelerated to about 325-330 knots. As I approached the ship, I rolled into an 85 degree angle of bank and did a 2-3 g turn, finishing about 10- 20 degrees off of the ship's axis. It was a very dramatic and, in my opinion, a very cool way to start a carrier demo. The photo was taken by an Aviation Boson's Mate who worked the flight deck on the USS America. Just as an aside...the individual with his arms behind his back is Admiral Jay Johnson, the immediate past Chief of Naval Operations for the Navy."

So basically it is safe? Even at 250 and that close, i would assume someone would have been knocked on their asz! That is a neat pic!

Jonathon, notice the question mark. that means i have no idea what speed other than, "SCHIT your pants" speed. i dont know how fast the F14's go, but i know it is really fast.

jj_jonathon 02-05-2003 08:19 PM

i thought the "correct me if im wrong"meant you wanted to know...wasnt a shot at you or anything :)

mustangII460 02-05-2003 08:26 PM

Photoshop?

jj_jonathon 02-05-2003 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mustangII460
Photoshop?
im sure someone else can explain what happens there...i knew last year, but ive forgotten...its REALLY cool though..maybe thats just the physics major's pov...heh

srv1 02-05-2003 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jj_jonathon
i thought the "correct me if im wrong"meant you wanted to know...wasnt a shot at you or anything :)
you were correct. i didnt take it the wrong way, was just explaining myself, thats all. no harm done.

tireburner163 02-05-2003 10:29 PM

Sweet!!!!

New wallpaper for me:cool:

joe4speed 02-05-2003 11:11 PM

Haven't you guys ever seen the video of the f-16 going so fast right by the carrier deck it was spraying water up way behind it? That's a cool vid, I'll see if I still have it.
*EDIT* Nevermind, I just clicked on MustangII's photoshop link, that's one of the vids I was looking for... there are others too... I'll keep looking!

HotRoddin 02-05-2003 11:21 PM

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Originally posted by jj_jonathon
im sure someone else can explain what happens there...i knew last year, but ive forgotten...its REALLY cool though..maybe thats just the physics major's pov...heh
I'd guess thats a mach 1 or better pass. The pressure wave coming off the airplane compresses the air (high pressure) when the pressure releases (low pressure) the water vapor condenses ... same reason when the barometer drops rapidly (goes from high pressure to low pressure) it usually gets cloudy. There, you got a physics lecture and a weather lecture all in one :)
The weather part of it i'm sure about ... The fact that the vapor cloud around the airplane is the same process is just an assumption, so if its wrong, forget you read this :p

joe4speed 02-05-2003 11:27 PM

Here's the other one:

http://www.joe4speed.com/superflyby.mpeg

Hammer 02-05-2003 11:37 PM

Quote:

It's not risky at all with practice…it was my opening pass to a Tomcat tactical demonstration at sea. I started from the starboard rear quarter of the ship, at or slightly below flight deck level. Airspeed was at about 250 knots with the wings swept forward. I selected afterburner at about 1/2 mile behind and the aircraft accelerated to about 325-330 knots. As I approached the ship, I rolled into an 85 degree angle of bank and did a 2-3 g turn, finishing about 10- 20 degrees off of the ship's axis. It was a very dramatic and, in my opinion, a very cool way to start a carrier demo. The photo was taken by an Aviation Boson's Mate who worked the flight deck on the USS America. Just as an aside...the individual with his arms behind his back is Admiral Jay Johnson, the immediate past Chief of Naval Operations for the Navy."
Ty97...

Unless you were the Tomcat driver who supposedly did this... I wouldn't take one ounce of truth from the quote above.

I served with VF-103 on the USS Saratoga for 2 cruises in the Med and during Desert Storm as an avionics tech (AT).
I am also licensed private pilot.

I can tell you without a doubt that the image is a photoshop job.

First of all, there's no way in hell the air boss is going to let a bird go that slow and that low right next to the boat doing a high angle of bank turn.... even during an acrobatic display....

First of all, look at the wings... they are fully swept forward.... which means the aircraft's airspeed is low (for a tomcat at least)....

Look at the right wing... the navigation light at the end of the wing cannot be seen because it is below the line of sight of the deck!!

For those of you who are not aware of general flight dynamics...
Throw in speeds 300 knots or slower and high angle of bank turn and you get a loss in altitude... Considering the tip of the wing is already below the deck, the next second of footage would be of the Tomcat cartwheeling taking out about a hundred flight deck crew.

If this photo was real... it would have meant the death of sailors and a crippled ship. In the real Navy, flight Ops are performed with only ONE thing in mind.... SAFETY.

Even during a demo.... an aircraft will not be allowed to perform unsafe maneuvers that close to the ship.

Unless someone can barf up a naval officer... I call BS...

:rolleyes:

HotRoddin 02-05-2003 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by joe4speed
Haven't you guys ever seen the video of the f-16 going so fast right by the carrier deck
Careful Joe, F16 is an Air Force jet. The Navy guys will have your liver with some fava beans and a nice glass of chianti for saying something like that !! lol

joe4speed 02-05-2003 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HotRoddin
Careful Joe, F16 is an Air Force jet. The Navy guys will have your liver with some fava beans and a nice glass of chianti for saying something like that !! lol
LOLOL
"uh, wait... wasn't she a great big fat person???"


Ahhh well, I don't know too much about jets and stuff, I just theink they're fascinating.. It's an f-14 i believe anyways, right??? :)

Hammer 02-05-2003 11:43 PM

Quote:

Here's the other one:

http://www.joe4speed.com/superflyby.mpeg
Yea, I've seen that one... Its cool...

But notice that its quite a bit farther away from either ship than the photoshop job before it.

Also notice the lack of any violent maneuvers....

BUT DAMN, Its STILL cool... ;)

SlowMopar 02-06-2003 04:20 AM

Ok here is what's happening in the video clip. The F-14 is going super sonic ( you can see the shock waves at the rear of the jet as they slow down the clip) the rapid pressure changes of the shock wave causes the water vapor to condense and make the shock wave visible. Pretty damn cool clip. Never seen one on a scale like that. Mostly just small ones from water vapor in the air.

Ty'97Cobra 02-06-2003 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hammer
Ty97...

Unless you were the Tomcat driver who supposedly did this... I wouldn't take one ounce of truth from the quote above.

I served with VF-103 on the USS Saratoga for 2 cruises in the Med and during Desert Storm as an avionics tech (AT).
I am also licensed private pilot.

I can tell you without a doubt that the image is a photoshop job.

First of all, there's no way in hell the air boss is going to let a bird go that slow and that low right next to the boat doing a high angle of bank turn.... even during an acrobatic display....

First of all, look at the wings... they are fully swept forward.... which means the aircraft's airspeed is low (for a tomcat at least)....

Look at the right wing... the navigation light at the end of the wing cannot be seen because it is below the line of sight of the deck!!

For those of you who are not aware of general flight dynamics...
Throw in speeds 300 knots or slower and high angle of bank turn and you get a loss in altitude... Considering the tip of the wing is already below the deck, the next second of footage would be of the Tomcat cartwheeling taking out about a hundred flight deck crew.

If this photo was real... it would have meant the death of sailors and a crippled ship. In the real Navy, flight Ops are performed with only ONE thing in mind.... SAFETY.

Even during a demo.... an aircraft will not be allowed to perform unsafe maneuvers that close to the ship.

Unless someone can barf up a naval officer... I call BS...

:rolleyes:

I don't know if it is chopped or not, I wasn't there. I've gotten mixed answers from different people. Got it in an email. Best way to find out if it is a photochop or urban legend is to put it on the net.

Anyway, if it is a photochop, it is a good one!

1995MGTS 02-07-2003 09:29 AM

The aircraft is not going supersonic, like Hammer said, his wings are extended. The wings would be swept back for that speed. I'm not sure if it's a photochop though. I've seen close but never that close. Hammer is also correct that the AirBoss would most likely have the pilots *** if he were that low and close during a flyby unless he had prior permission for that manuever. By the way, I speak with some experience since I am a Navy carrier pilot. I don't fly the fast movers though so my fly-by's have always left a little to be desired :)

FLY NAVY

Hammer 02-07-2003 12:09 PM

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I don't fly the fast movers though so my fly-by's have always left a little to be desire
Cool...
What do you fly? S3s?
What squadron are you with?

and its OK GTS, you DRIVE a fast mover on the ground... ;)

Actual gripe sheet from an F-14 driver:
IFF inoperative in O F F position... :rolleyes:

1995MGTS 02-07-2003 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hammer
Cool...
What do you fly? S3s?
What squadron are you with?

and its OK GTS, you DRIVE a fast mover on the ground... ;)

Actual gripe sheet from an F-14 driver:
IFF inoperative in O F F position... :rolleyes:

I actually fly a slower mover than the S-3, the might C-2A Greyhound. I'm now an instructor pilot at VAW-120 but cruised with VRC-30 DET-III oboard the Connie and Vinson.

I have to go fast on the ground since I fly the slowest POS in the Navy :cool:

Hammer 02-07-2003 11:26 PM

Quote:

might C-2A Greyhound
A COD driver?!

Man... They'll let ANYONE join Mustangworks these days... Just kidding... hehe...:D

1995MGTS 02-08-2003 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hammer
A COD driver?!

Man... They'll let ANYONE join Mustangworks these days... Just kidding... hehe...:D

Yeah, it's hard to find love as a COD driver :p

srv1 02-08-2003 12:40 AM

i am not airplane pilot nor do i know alot about airplanes themselves, but when i saw the pic, i knew it couldnt be real. for me it just didnt look right. also, i dont serve, but their is no way in hell they are going to let a plane fly that close to a ship. for what reason?


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