Davis Terminated! Arnold becomes Gov...
 

Governor Gray Davis of California has been recalled, and they are now announcing that it appears Arnold Schwarzenegger has won, and is going to be the new Governor of California. Did all our Californian members vote, and what do you think of the recall, election, and Arnold winning.

Not Californian, but this seems to be appropriate:

Free at last, free at last, thank God all mighty we're free at last !!!
Gray Davis is the the worst thing that has happened to this state since Gov. Jerry moonbeam Brown.
People were saying Arnold has no qualifications to be Gov. as if to say, he might screw something up lol You could put the village idiot in there and he couldn't screw things up any worse than Davis has. If qualifications get you what Gray Davis gave us then we need to eleminate people with qualifications.
It's going to be a daunting task to get this state back on it's feet, and it's going to take a lot of stumbling and time to do it, but one thing is for sure, there are a whole bunch of California politicians that have been reminded that you can't sit up on your throne and thumb your nose at the people because the people still run this place.

Good luck to Arnold, I'll bet this is going to be a hard thing to do for him, with sooo many naysayers.

I think he will try his hardest to be the best. Here is what i think.

He wants to get out the movies because he no longer has the tough guy image like he used to. He's getting old, and tired. He wants something that he can sit back on, in his old age, and not have to worry bout his looks. He wants a name for himself, and not just because he made some movie, or used to lift weights.

Now that he can make a real name for himself, I think he will try his hardest to be the best he can.



Gay davis didn't try because he thought he didn't have anything to prove. That he was the best. Wrong Gay Davis.

I'm glad he's gone.





Oh, And it's not a typo, I really did type Gay Davis.

what-chu talkin bout Dan, Gary Coleman won!

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Point I feel needs to be expressed is 2 people that were in one of the best movies ever, Predator are governor!:) Arrnold and Jessie the body. DAMN what a great movie. I'm kinda mad Arnold won cause I want him to make some more movies cause his movies rock not one sucked!!

Recall
 

I hope that Arnold will get a fair shake and that if he can't produce a quick fix to the state's problems that the voters don't go after him like Davis. It will take time for California's fiscal problems to be solved and the Governor AND the Legisalture most work cooperatively to do what's best for the Golden State.
Even though I live on the east coast, what goes in California finds a way to have a ripple effect on much of the nation.Remeber, patience is a virture....just my 2 cents worth...
MHH

I hope hes not a brain washed Hollywood actor that has no idea what the average American wants, likes etc. Hope when he visits his inlaws, he doesn't agree with anything they say.

He is anti gun, that I don't like.

But, since I don't live over there it doesn't matter much to me anyway.

I am not too thrilled about this :rolleyes:


My fiancee's dad did get 229 votes .. LOL

http://www.rdoleforgov.com/

Arnold is not "anti" gun. He plainly stated he was for the right to bare arms, but at the same time he was for "gun control". Like the Bradey bill, background checks, and waiting periods, gun locks... etc. There's a big difference there. In my opinion, he has taken the responsible point of view and position regarding this issue.

Yeah, I heard an interview where he said he wasn't interested in more gun control laws, just enforcement of what we've got on the books.

--nathan

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Arnold is not "anti" gun. He plainly stated he was for the right to bare arms, but at the same time he was for "gun control". Like the Bradey bill, background checks, and waiting periods, gun locks... etc. There's a big difference there. In my opinion, he has taken the responsible point of view and position regarding this issue.


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He says hes pro-gun, but for sensible gun control. Whaa? I can't see him making it any clearer. Atleast in my own mind thats "anti- gun."

Riding the fence.

Good luck to all of you California members...this just reinforces my belief that California is destined to fall into the ocean. This just wreaks of Ronald Reagan. At least Arnold can't run for prez.

well if we fall in the ocean there goes most of the US' economy :p

Thank old Ronnie for the fall of the Soviet Union and a large section of communism.

Also thank him for the economic upswing of the 80s and 90s.
(Which Bush Sr. and Clinton gladly took credit for)

A much better President than Carter and Clintoon put together...

I'm not sure I'm ready to give Reagan that much credit. Just because things happened during his term doesn't mean he gets the credit. We weren't the only ones who were railing against communism and I'm not convinced Reagan had any great economic ideas...just good advisors. I think he basically just napped towards glory. But by just about any standard Bush Sr., Clinton, and Bush Jr. made him look like a genius.

If I was a youngin' I might think as you do.

I lived through the Mr. Peanut "Carter" years and saw the post-Vietnam decline of the military. It was bad, real bad...

Drug use in active duty members was at an all time high. Moral at an all time low.

The totally hosed Iran hostage rescue attempt was a direct result of this.

I agree that no one man (or President) should take credit for things such as the economy, as most major economic recommendations are submitted by appointed advisors, and there are just too many outside factors....

But, the advisors are appointed by the President, its the ultimate case of its not what you know, its WHO you know.

The Russians literally went broke trying to match our defense spending, and as much controversy as the "Star Wars" program generated, it was certainly entertaining to watch the Soviets try to deal with it.

Of course, this was not the only reason for the fall of the USSR, but it helped.

Because of Reagan and his administration, all of Germany can now hold up demonstration signs about how "evil" we are in Iraq. I guess freedom and democracy is OK for them, but no one else is worthy.... Isn't freedom of speech grand? ;)

Oh I can only hope bro, I can only hope !!

Ronald Reagan and his cabinet held a great presidency :)

Twins, Jingle All the Way, Junior, Batman & Robin, and The Last Action Hero must have been movies that you missed.

My comment, it seems like I moved out of California at exactly the right time.

Whhhhaaaaat? You don't like Mr. "Arnold" Freeze... :p

http://movieweb.com/movie/batmanrobin/coe.jpg

Hehehe...pick you battles Dan. I think you'd be goin to that one unarmed. :)

Governor Schwartzenegger
 

California Governor-elect Arnold Schwartzenegger will probably govern much as President Ronald Reagan did: by going to the people and over the heads of the Democrat legislature and the California government bureaucracy that is loaded to the gills with Davis-appointed bureaucrats looking to thwart Schwartzenegger at every turn. He has his work cut out for him but an improving economy will help and Arnold's leadership abilities will probably make the difference between his being an impotent Governor and an active, successful one. He'll be using both Executive Orders and the veto quite often, I'm certain...he'll have to.

As I see it, Californians are tired of being screwed over and having their collective will ignored by arrogant, corrupted but oh-so 'experienced' politicians. They clearly want change and when the Democrats stand in the way they'll be flattened. and Arnold Schwartzenegger will be driving the bulldozer, smoking a big cigar and saying: Hasta la Vista, Baby" Life is good.

Re: Governor Schwartzenegger
 

Ummm...I don't think that's limited solely to democrats. That's where this country got it wrong...picking sides politically. Both sides have horrible ideas and both sides have great ideas. Me personally, I'm pro-choice...but I also like my guns and tobacco (no, this is not an invitation for a debate, just staing a point). I guess I just need to create my own party cuz I'm not religious and I'm not in greenpeace.

BTW...good to see you're still around Mr 5.0. You're about the only one from this board I remember that I hadn't seen yet. :D

Re: Re: Governor Schwartzenegger
 

I agree totally. Both parties have there good and bad and are only out to protect their own interest. Arnold might be in office for a while if he doesn't stick to party lines and actually does the will of the people.

Absolutely. I don't dislike Arnold because he's a republican or a conservative or what have you. I dislike him because I think he's an idiot. Remember when we were about to go to war and all of those actors stood up against it and everyone said "why the F should I listen to them? They're actors."? Same thing. Actors make a career out of lying. This is who you want leading your state? I just hope he proves me wrong.

I think he will prove to be better then most

Well, its like this, he HAS to do good or he WILL be out next election. There are too many democrats in California and the only reason why Arnold did win the recall is he only had to have the majority of the recall votes. In a normal election he wouldn't stand a chance unless he does something to improve the state.

What you dont realize is he was a succesful businesman not unlike many other politicians before he was an actor.

Governor-elect Schwartzenegger
 

Arnold Schwartzenegger was an immigrant and a successful bodybuilder who invested his winnings in California real estate. He was a self-made millionaire by his mid-20's. Nobody gave him anything. He didn't get into movies until he was almost 30 and despite his foreign-sounding, hard-to-pronounce name, his Austrian accent and his oversized muscles, he became a huge success and made many more millions while managing to marry a Kennedy relative in the process. Arnold Schwartzenegger is no pampered actor who never did a hard days work and has a mouthful of anti-American garbage to spew out at us, like too many Hollywood prima donnas. He's for real.

Arnold Schwartzenegger is a very rich, successful and intelligent man who, at age 56, needs the Govnership of California like he needs more muscles. He ran because he cared about the demise of his adopted state. What the heck has Sean Penn or any of these other Hollywood leftists that bash the president 24/7 ever contributed to California besides their tax money? Arnold didn't just complain about the state and it's corrupt leadership, he put himself on the line and walked away from another 20-million-dollar payday in Terminator 4 to run for Governor, a thankless job. Those who know zilch about Arnold Schwartzenegger or politics and offer flip negative comments simply miss the point that the election of Arnold Schwartzenegger is a good thing for the state of California and will improve things in that troubled state.

For the politically uninformed, Schwartzenegger is a 'moderate' Republican, that is, he is pro-choice and pro-gay-marriage but believes in the Second Amendment and especially in lower taxes. No conservative by a long shot by also no flaming liberal who wants to tax everyone to death, either. Schwartzenegger is honest and owes the special interests nothing. California needs change from the corrupt government it's tolerated for too long. Schwartzenegger's big election victory proved that Californians are ready to try something new. Arnold Schwartzenegger is what the stste needs and in 3 years, California will be better for his being Governor.

I understand what you are saying Mr 5.0, but you know that I'm right in saying that he HAS to make an improvement before the end of his term if he wants to stay in office for another. On top of that, any negatives will be strong ammunition for anyone who runs against him. I never said that he doesn't have the potential to do a good job, but if he wants to have more than one term, he HAS to do a good job.

I think and hope he will do a good job :) At least davis is gone and that moron Bustamante didnt get in :)

Re: Governor-elect Schwartzenegger
 

I still don't buy him as a politician. Did he make some good investments? Sure. Will such things help California? Probably not. He can't invest their money. I think people have very good reasons to offer negative comments. The man openly admitted to sexually harrassing women and it was like water off a duck's back. Instead of facing the fact that they were backing a guy who'd screwed up, they said "awwww...he's so honest". Wow...I'm sure Californians were desperate but that's just ridiculous. Saying he's a moderate doesn't help much either. I think it's more like he's trying to play to both sides. He wants the republican vote but he's trying to get as many democrats on board by telling them what they want to hear. Problem is the dumb bastards fell for it. I also really don't think his name or accent was in any way a problem for his acting career...remember that he started out as Conan who was a barbarian (as the the movie names imply) from the middle ages. Plus you don't watch those movies for dialogue...it's all about some ripped guy gutting other barbarians. As for turning down a Terminator 4...you think he's hurting over not making another $20 million? Correction: he wasn't a pampered actor. Now he's got more money than god and I have a nagging suspicion that since he's married to a Kennedy relative he feels he's got to do something political. California needed a change...absolutely. Davis seemed like such a douche and hescrewed that state sooooo bad. I'm just not sure some actor fits the bill. I also think it should be a prerequisite for the office that you need to be able to properly pronounce "gubernatorial". To me, the guy'll always be a pandering moron (much like certain other elected officials of higher power).

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I still don't buy him as a politician. Did he make some good investments? Sure. Will such things help California? Probably not. He can't invest their money.

The point was that Schwartzenegger has years of experience in big-time financial dealings that career politicians don't have so all they know to do is tax and spend, and that casued a lot of California's financial problems.

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I think people have very good reasons to offer negative comments. The man openly admitted to sexually harrassing women and it was like water off a duck's back. Instead of facing the fact that they were backing a guy who'd screwed up, they said "awwww...he's so honest". Wow...I'm sure Californians were desperate but that's just ridiculous.

Most of these harrassment claims were anonymous and probably bogus and involved little more tha some woman saying Arnold touched her butt in 1978 at some gym. Right. Funny, the women never mentioned any of this for 10, 20, 30 years and never sued Schwartzenegger when they had to know how rich he was. Californians were not stupid - they knew an election fraud when they saw one and the L.A. Times had little credibility on this manufactured 'scandal'. THank God for intelligent voters.

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Saying he's a moderate doesn't help much either. I think it's more like he's trying to play to both sides. He wants the republican vote but he's trying to get as many democrats on board by telling them what they want to hear. Problem is the dumb bastards fell for it.

You obviously do not understand the nuances present in politics. A Republican moderate is quite common. Think former N.Y. Mayor Rudy Guliani...fiscally conservative, socially liberal, and a heckofa good mayor.

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I also really don't think his name or accent was in any way a problem for his acting career...remember that he started out as Conan who was a barbarian (as the the movie names imply) from the middle ages. Plus you don't watch those movies for dialogue...it's all about some ripped guy gutting other barbarians.

Oh, yeah, that explains his 25-year success, including non-Terminator films. Gimme a break.

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As for turning down a Terminator 4...you think he's hurting over not making another $20 million? Correction: he wasn't a pampered actor. Now he's got more money than god and I have a nagging suspicion that since he's married to a Kennedy relative he feels he's got to do something political. California needed a change...absolutely. Davis seemed like such a douche and hescrewed that state sooooo bad. I'm just not sure some actor fits the bill. I also think it should be a prerequisite for the office that you need to be able to properly pronounce "gubernatorial". To me, the guy'll always be a pandering moron (much like certain other elected officials of higher power).

Obviously, if Schwartzenegger walked on water you would find something to complain about so I don't see much point in debating with a stone, partisan, wall who has decided Arnold Schwartzenegger is unworthy of the office he has won, democratically. California voters disgarred with you. Arnold won and won big and now he has to deliver, of course. He will, and all the carping criticisms such as yours about 'actors' will be forgotten when he does.

Actually, if you read back, I'm reluctantly willing to give him a chance and see how he does. I just don't see him pulling this one out. Trust me...just because I think California voters screwed the pooch electing him doesn't mean I'm partisan. Again, if you'll read back, I think that both of the major parties in this country are ridiculous and childish and that anyone who labels themselves as such is too close minded to see the bigger picture. You do have to admit, the people of California aren't exactly known for a long track record of great decisions. I'm willing to wait and see if he does a good job, but that doesn't mean I'll stop thinking he's a moron.

The Arnold Factor
 

Originally posted by 84_GT350 :

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I'm willing to wait and see if he does a good job, but that doesn't mean I'll stop thinking he's a moron.

O.K., so you're a rugged individualist who doesn't think much of any politician or party but when a successful, intelligent guy comes along who is a true non-politician and not owned by the 'special interests' you call him a 'moron'. Quite a disconnect there. but the majority of Californians don't see it your way and I agree with them.

Arnold Schwartzenegger (who holds a degree in Business Management and Economics, by the way, not that this will matter to those who think he's a 'moron') may not be the panacea California would like but he'll make a difference and break the hold of the special interests as he can't be bought and doesn't care about running for higher office - and as a foreign-born citizen, he can't be president. Schwartzenegger will succeed and by doing so, California will improve, if not totally recover from where the tax-happy Democrats put it. Nice of you to give him a chance, a chance he earned from the voters of California.

Just look at it this way...I have too little faith and you perhaps have too much. My opinion of his as a dolt has nothing to do with his political views but more his personal attitudes and choices. Either way it's solely an opinion. You're more than welcome to disagree...but you won't change my mind.

Edit: Nobody's a true "non-politician". Everyone has to start a political career somewhere. As for owing nothing to special interst groups...that should be followed up with the word "yet". Everyone has an agenda.

Governator Schwartzenegger
 

84_GT350:

The day I think a few messages exchanged on an internet messageboard will change the mind of one who calls people like Arnold Schwarzenegger a 'moron' is the day I'll start running for office as my powers of persuasion will have proven to be beyond my expectations. Not likely.

My purpose in posting is to refute some of your suppositions and offer another version of the picture you paint of Governor-elect Schwartzenegger. Having done so, I can now leave the thread. We made our respective points. Time will decide who was correct.

what really scares me about arnold...
 

is WHOSE puppet he is.

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Everybody on the planet is an idiot except you huh ??
Us "dumb bastards" out here in the Golden State have managed to put together the 5th largest economy on the planet ... imagine that ??
"Pandering moron" ... The thing i dislike most about flaming liberals is their propensity to insist that people take a weak unsubstantiated opinion as fact ... "hey if we all just keep calling him an idiot and a moron and a buffoon, pretty soon everyone will just take it as fact !!!" Heres one of my favorites ... "Well everybody knows hes a moron" Really ??? I'm callin ya out bro .... how do you figure a guy that comes to this country with basically nothing ... fighting obstacle after obstacle, manages to completely on his own become a multi millionaire and has been that way almost since the beginning???? Not only that but manages to convince 4 or 5 million Californians to put him in the governers mansion. Moron huh ? got something other than rhetoric to support that ? Lets hear it ? What makes him a moron ? While you're at it since you toss those thinly vailed criticisms at "George W" around, you might want to let us know how a buffoon got to be the leader of the free world ? Hanging chads in florida ??? Didn't buy it then ... don't buy it now ! You may or may not agree with the dicisions he's made but what has he done that makes him a moron or an idiot ?? Please be specific ... exactally what makes him a moron?

Jeez...this should be easy. Ok...as for Arnold...I'm sick of everyone touting his acclaims as "someone who came here with nothing and now he's a millionaire". Holy crap...it's sooooo hard for an insanely ripped guy to break into Hollywood. Especially if it's for a brainless roll in crappy 70's movies. He's a millionaire because he was a body builder who happened to get noticed in a documentary while smoking weed after winning the Mr. Universe title. Or did you carefully omit that part? My thoughts on why he's a moron: have you ever seen a movie of his that involved significant dialogue (i.e. anything besides Conan and the Terminator flicks) that he was good in? Go ahead...tell me he made a good actor in Kindergarten Cop or in Commando or Twins. He's a f@ckin dolt. And apparently, yes, California does have 4 or 5 million "dumb bastards" (using your words there) that would elect this tool to office. Either that or a change to a legitimate governor wouldn't have made a good enough sound bite for you all. 5th largest economy, eh? Are you taking credit for that? It can't be all of the computer companies saw an opportunity to set up shop there. And it certainly isn't because that's the bloodline of the movie industry and has been for damn near 100 years, is it? you know...the same people you were criticising 6 months ago for apposing the war in Iraq. They aren't a HUGE part of that economy, now are they? Now, how am I a "flaming liberal"? I like my guns and my tobacco...I guess I must be one of those danged democrats we've heard so much about. Sorry *******, I don't subscribe to either side of the polictical fence. Doing so only makes you a petty and biased part of our political system. People should vote for what they think is right...not who belongs to what party. As for our beloved president...since you went there I'll follow and this is even easier than Arnold. I'm not a fan of any man who can't pronounce simple words like nuclear (not nucular) or who makes up forms of government as he sees fit (in his state of the union address he referred to Hitlerism. Wow...I'm unfamiliar with that...I always figured Hitler was a Nazi). Secondly he's kept our people in harms way for way too long with a lot of double talk and bullsh!t. Either the people of Iraq are good people who know what's right or they're not and we need our troops there. If they're good folks we can pull out. But surely a country full of good people could overcome some "limited" pockets of resistance, right? Apparently not. Add to that he's got a pretty checkered past....what with the drinking and drugs and all and he adds up to a pretty piss poor elected official. Keep in mind (not to drudge up old events) that if not for our electorial college he wouldn't be in office...he lost the popular vote. The first priority of any given government is the protection and fair treatment of it's citizens. How can we pull this off when we're like a drunk in a bar swinging a bottle taking on all comers (I hear we don't like Cuba again...Syria's f@cked too)? I'm sorry...either that man's a douche bag or everyone he's appointed as "advisors" to do his thinking for him are douche bags because this country's gone to hell in a handbasket because of all of this crap. So if calling me a flaming liberal makes you feel better go ahead...we both know it's not true. I just hate to see this country go to ***** because of partisan assholes who vote on party lines because that's what they think is best and then call out people who actually have REAL opinions because they don't line up with what they believe. If you don't agree with me, fine. I'm not the one who's gonna get bent over and done dry when this actor ******* screws up.

noo cyoo lar
 

that REALLY bugs me!
my 4-year-old says it correctly, how come the pres of the united states of america CAN'T?

how can the ignorant rise to power?

daddy was pulling strings.

now we have KaliFourKneeYah as well as Nuculer...

pretty soon they will sneak prayer into our public schools and throw away all the science books to accomodate.

I think George Orwell missed by a couple decades
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that REALLY bugs me! my 4-year-old says it correctly, how come the pres of the united states of america CAN'T?

Now there a deep thought - and sadly typical of the Bush-haters: no substance, just mindless attacks based on basically nothing at all, like the pronouncation of a word. Yeah, that should determine who we elect as president. How foolish and arrogant can you people get?

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how can the ignorant rise to power? daddy was pulling strings.

Yeah, that's it. Former President G.H.W. Bush 'pulled strings'. Never mind the Electoral College. Clueless leftists never cease to amaze us with their nonsensensical stateements and lack of understanding of politics, thinking that name-calling and wild accusations with not a shred of evidence to support them actually constitutes a political argument. It doesn't.

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now we have KaliFourKneeYah as well as Nuculer..

I love to watch liberals go ballistic when the the American people freely elect a Republican. Eat your hearts out...we're still a democracy, Snake.

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pretty soon they will sneak prayer into our public schools and throw away all the science books to accomodate.

I hope so. If for no other reason, just to see the leftists and the die-hard atheists squirm. They simply can't stsnd defeat. Tough. America is a nation based on Judeo-Christian principles. That most Americans respect that is something the leftists better get used to.

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I think George Orwell missed by a couple decades.

I think you don't have a clue. Clinton isn't president any more and the days of Democrat politicians lying about Republicans and using smear tactics to defeat them - as was tried in California with Arnold Schwartzenegger - no longer work as well as they once did. Americans are not satisfied with name-calling and smears passing for actual rational thought. Leftists are a dying political breed in America - and not a moment too soon and postings like yours show why America is turning away from the all-hate-all-the-time attitudes of disgruntled democrats who can't take defeat and think lying and name-calling somehow make their hatred justified. Not.

What gives Mr 5 0? I thought you'd made your point and were giving up on this thread. You know...I've got a lot of respect for you what with starting this site (I cut my teeth on Mustangs with a lot of help from you and others on this site years ago) which is why I've tried to be as polite and respectable as possible. Apparently you haven't seen fit to return the favor. Apparently you just don't get it. All you've done is revert to meaningless sanctimony and typical rhetoric about "flaming liberals" that I hear everyday watching TV. Guess what...some of us don't like prayer in schools or presidents who get elected solely based on their last name. Yes, a president should among other things speak with poise and meaning because, among other things, it's a sign of intelligence. I like how you pointed out the electoral college. If not for that we'd have the lesser of two j@ck@sses seeing as how Bush didn't win the popular vote. Just because a person may lean more toward the "liberal" side (if you'd payed attention in Poli-Sci class you'd know the entire American political system is classically liberal) does NOT make them a "flaming liberal". So why all the hate? Seems to me you feel so wary or insecure about the validity of your own beliefs and ideas that you feel the need to ridicule anyone who's opinions differ from your own. You said yourself that you'd like to see certain things happen just "to see leftists and die-hard athiests squirm". Why? You wanna talk arrogance? This country is NOT based on Judeo-Christian beliefs. People of every religion and faith live here and I can't believe you'd be so arrogant to disregard them just because you don't agree with them. But then again that feeds into my other point. Myself, I'm agnostic...NOT atheist. I'm not arrogant enough to claim to know who or what god is and those who DO claim that or that they know "what god wants" should be ashamed of themselves. Clinton was a total douche and I love how people dredge him up every time there's a democrat-republican debate, like he's a good example. Here's a crash course in politics: EVERYONE LIES ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE. It's not a party thing. You use words like "us" which to me says you feel you represent an entire party or school of thought. Trust me, I know some die-hard republicans who would be embarrassed by your diatribe. Yes, America is pulling back from the left but that's because they're scared and many to the right have a "if I can't understand it then it's gotta die" attitude (notice I said many, not all). When people are frightened they'll turn wherever they can for a feeling of comfort. Why these people think the right will give them comfort is beyond me...like wars with anyone anytime anywhere will make us that much safer. But there you have it. Basically I think everything you've said is incredibly biased and pompous and that you need to open your mind a little more to other possibilities. I know it's scary...but there's a good chance you aren't right.

While pondering the quickly falling Alexa rating on this site I decided to take a look at how much traffic it truly has, and I accidentally stumbled across a topic that Mr 5.0 last posted on.

Naturally intrigued, I decided to take a peek. Here's what a find. Somebody from Kansas (a state the voted to remove the theory of evolution from education) denoucing California (a state that re-wrote the history books to be politically correct) as populated by morons.

Since I work in a slightly savvy division of one of the largest brokerage's in the world, I have no idea about this business stuff, but let me put it this way. California is home to a phenominal amount of large business, and has extremely successful, intellegent, and savvy business professionals. While the Midwest no doubt has, per capita, more large businesses because of cities like Minneapolis, Chicago, Detriot, St. Louis, and Kansas City (Missouri), they lack the professional financial credentials to manage such businesses.

California is in it's current predicament because of the cost of living there. The cost of living remains so high because of the favorable weather, high paying jobs, technology, recreation, and an often elite workforce. Obviously in the current age of cutting costs by layoffs, and moving jobs overseas will hurt the areas it's most expensive to live in hardest. California has experienced that first hand. Since Kansas is largely a farm based economy with little technology, low population density, modest big business, and a low cost of living, it's going to be hit much less hard. This stacks things against California from the beginning, but what the most difficult thing to understand about California is how much money it spends. I'm not even sure where their money goes. They have the highest tax rate in the country, and they have the most Fortune and Forbes 500 companies located there, yet they have a significant budget deficit, and a horrible loan rating.

On to putting "budget deficit" into perspective, just because the democratic media, and those from the Donkey party love throwing it around. It DOES NOT EXIST.... yet. The budget deficit is a forecast of what it will be, given certain economic conditions. If the economy turns around, the deficit is largely erased without any changes.

Arnold is underqualified for the position of California governor. Jesse Ventura was somewhat more qualified, but still underqualified for the position of Minnesota governor. If you think Ventura did a bad job governing this state, before he gave up after the partisan congress decided they weren't going to do a damn thing for the citizens of this state because they didn't like the governor, you're sorely mistaken. Though I will not agree with everything he did, he managed to set Minnesota up financially to be in very good shape considering the circumstances when the massive fallout occured after 9/11. Minnesota went from 3rd highest taxed state in the country to 12th during Ventura's campaign, and that includes the out of control leftist spending he veto'd and the legislature over-ruled. As proof of our financial situation, Minneapolis has remained the best or at the very least one of the very best major metropolitan areas in terms of unemployment. Minnesota is also in the top 10 wage vs cost of living states in the country.

How was this done? Ventura played a huge roll in forcing spending cutbacks, and the re-distribution of funding while taking the advice of an excellent cabinet. Would any other cantidate have performed as well? Certainly none that ran.

The governor is a position better used to explain the position of the state to the public, and put massive pressure on the legislature to uphold their promises to the taxpayers. In terms of policy, the governor should be well versed in economics, but also select a highly qualified cabinet of advisors who are EXPERTS at their individual fields to council him on difficult topics. Arnold is the nearly perfect cantidate to place in the governors seat because he isn't compromised by special interests, didn't lie by making up a false platform which indicates he understands he's not qualified to determine the entire economic and social policy of California, and has a tremendous amount of public appeal. The ONLY way to get California back on the track to stability is to dangle the jobs of the legislators above their heads by public pressure. It's a long, very tedious, and tiring job. Hopefully he'll have that last year in him that Ventura ran out of gas in.

Posting anti-Bush/anti-republican banter with no knowledge whatsoever regarding how economics, and social policy works is annoying, but rampent in the democratic cantidates. In short, most democrats never shut the hell up and let a person get a word in because they're too damn pleased with their meaningless partisan banter. Wake up, it's your happiness, and livelyhood, not a football game.

In summary (no particular order):

1. Mustangworks has become extremely slow traffic wise.
2. Californian's are often savvy businesspeople, not idiots.
3. Governor's should not try to run the state on their own.
4. The best governor's take advice from experts, command public attention and respect so they can wield it against corrupt legislators, and special interests.
5. Democrat's are often more interested in playing political games than they are in their own livelyhood.
6. The Budget Deficit isn't a reality, it's a projection.
7. Arnold Schwartzenneger has the necessary components to be a great governor.
8. People from Kansas should be careful when calling people from other states morons.
9. California has the cards stacked against it due to it's cost of living.
10. ...and Unit 5302 is smarter than you are, and can be forced to post by huge amounts of stupidity spewed in a single location.

All in all, a post that accomplishes a lot. :)

Brought to you by Unit 5302, devoted supporter of the "anti-political party" party.

To clarify...I'm not from Kansas...I'm here because it has the best auto tech school in the country. I can't stand this little podunk town.

IMHO... Unit 5302 is mostly wrong about point "a", but otherwise an amusing read.

Alexa has absolutely no way to accurately track visits to any web site, much less this one... As a whole, the traffic on MW has not fallen at all (beyond up and down typical trends during the months of the year already shown over time). Albeit the message board fell off over the summer, as it typically does, it is starting to pick back up. And, in fact, the number of membership registrations each week has been increasing since last month quite a bit. In addition, remember that there is a lot more to this site than just the message forums. So, forum activity does not indicate overall site traffic by any means.

My end point... I know what the traffic is here... It's logged, archived, tracked, and has nightly reports generated on it. The message forum software also can generate statistics, on demand, of registrations, posts, etc.. No other source outside our network has access, or can possible have, that information. If some outside site claims our traffic has drastically decreased... it's not accurate.

Sorry Dan,

Alexa is usually pretty accurate unless somebody is intentionally playing with the numbers. It's why Corral and Stangnet are ranked in the top 30,000 english speaking sites in the world, and Mustangworks is 147,000.

The rating compares the number of hits, page views, and reach that a site has.

While the forums aren't the only reason people visit, it's one of the biggest that actually shows your sites attractiveness to users. The artificial increase in memberships can probably directly be attributed to you altering the need to be a member to view pictures, ie 2005 Mustang. That will do a lot to increase members, but nothing to increase the number of people visiting. Oh, I can understand why you would choose to do that. Not only does it make a good number to point to when claiming the site is still "hopping" but it also keeps expensive (though this site doesn't seem to use too much anymore) bandwidth from being linked all over the internet at your expense.

Also, summer was always a little slow, but there have been 2 posts in female power in the last 10 days, one of them is "quiet?". BOL has about 5 active threads on a given day, SRC has been dead as noted by Sky.

The message board is the life of this site, and without it, the site would be completely unknown because the individual members are your advocates and mainly your advertising, though it looks like a couple new pop-ups have shown up for fun. :)

"...and Unit 5302 is smarter than you are, and can be forced to post by huge amounts of stupidity spewed in a single location."

What exactly qualifies you to be smarter than the rest of us. Other than your opinion.

Come on lets compare.