Do Not Street Race At Port Kells!!!
 

The guy at my work just read in the newspaper that the police will be sending out un-marked vehicles and watching the races (like you or me would) and then they will impound your car on the spot, and they are trying to put speed bumps in on the roads where people street race around port kells too, so its getting to the point that i will not go back there, even to watch.

later

ok, thanks for the info man... next time i visit the great maple leaf country, i'll keep that in mind :D

You mean you guys actually have paved roads up there in Canada?

I thought they called them Mounties instead of police?

Or maybe I'm just the typical ignorant midwesterner :D

ummmm what if people don't realize they put speed bumps in?
imagine hitting a speed bump at 100mph. thats even more hazardous IMO

They are cracking down really hard in Canada on street racing as we have had soooo many recent deaths from people who are racing right in the cities in the middle of the day...it is really a shame that so many innocent people are dying ....it is so not cool to street race with six other people in your car.....cause the last time someone died it was the 4 other people not the driver....and now he has to live with killing 4 of his friends cause he was an idiot....it is one thing if you are out in the country and it is a desserted road at night, totally another if it is in the middle of the day on a busy city street and you are just showing off...sorry but this is just my opinion on the subject...why isn't there more strips where there is controlled racing and anyone who wants to can go there and race their cars??????????????:confused:

I agree with u 100%

Blah blah blah. I hate to break it to people, but car accidents happen. People die. I think we should arrest people driving cars with over 100k on them, because a suspension component could fail or something.

People have a big ol stick up their you know what. Street racing, the evil word of the day.

Hey, I wasn't cutting down street racing, I am just saying if you want to do it, it should be with some kind of thought involved, like don't have six of your friends in the car and don't do it on a busy street, and that we need more places for it to be done safely, obviously it is something that we aren't going to be able to fully control but at least if there is an option to doing it on busy city streets with innocent people dying then why not try that?

You weren't cutting it down, and I wasn't condoning it.

It's the hype of the day, though. Politicians and idiots come out of the woodwork for crap like this. They find one thing at a time they can eliminate to "protect" people.

Anything that is remotely fun, and could possibly be dangerous needs to be controlled by the government. They eliminate all the dragstrips for 300mi, and wonder why street racing is becoming popular?

Average Joe Schmoe with his Beige Toyota Camry has no problems stopping those maniacs on watercraft, or snowmobiles, or ATV's, or fast cars, etc etc etc. People who have those things need to be controlled because they don't fit the status quo. Your car's too loud, but my 180 decibel Harley is fine. I'm tired of crackdowns. Bust it down in the city. Fine. Bust it down on busy roads. Fine. Don't even think about a crackdown because people are wiping out on their own. Their choice, their car, their lives. People want to ride with them? Fine. Their risk.

Pretty soon Al Gore's world will become a reality, and he won't even have to help in it. Al Gore "I invented the world as it is today" All houses are exactly the same. Almond with light brown moulding. Everybody drives an econobox 4 door white or beige automobile running on electric power. Electricity is generated by windmills. There are 3 different shifts. 12-8, 8-4, and 4-12. You work one of them. You must wear a neatly pressed white shirt with a collar, and you must have a black tie. Black dress pants are required for men, long black skirts for women. Your hair cannot be longer than shoulder length, and it must be brown. Makeup is not allowed. Shoes must be black and polished. Everybody get where I'm going with this?

Totally agree on all points you have made...I just wonder on the point of deciding to ride with friends that drag, is that their choice? Sometimes, yes, other times..... I know as a teenager, (which was forever ago) I was in a situation that the driver decided what would happen and didn't give the passengers a choice. Luckily for me I lived thru it. I totally agree that closing down the strips and taking away any option that kids have leaves them on their own to race in dangerous situations, and in some cases that is part of the thrill and they wouldn't go to the track if there was one accessible anyways. There really is no solution, but I hate to think that one of my kids are going to be one of the statistics because of someone elses stupidity...

Unit 5302, why is this a political debate? Can't you just accept that sometimes you have to do what you can and is reasonable to save lives?

In responce to your analogy about steering/suspension components on a 100k mi/km car... there are laws for that. You cannot drive an unsafe vehicle at any point- not just when you transfer ownership I.e. A saftey.

As well- there are laws about careless driving I.e. Street racing. If all the ricers and street racers would stick to industrial roads on weekends or backroads in the country instead of during traffic and in residential streets- then they wouldn't have brough street racing into the lime light and therfore not be an issue.

Does your city/county/town/province/state have RIDE programs? Where a line of cops funnel traffic to check for DWI's on a Friday night? Is that a political agenda also?

Anytime that pressure gets put on street racing in any form, it's a good idea. You never know- it may be your mom/father/daughter/son/BEST FRIEND that gets killed. Don't say it will never happen (Famous last words, my friend)

To also respond on legislating/controlling anything fun/semi-dangerous... wake up and look around. People NEED a babysitter cause they can't 1)control the circumstances 2)take responsibility 3)respect others.

I'm not saying all 100% of people need a leash, but even if only 10% do- that is worth having the law look out for the rest of the 90%

Haha... ya- we just paved the roads last year... and we call them cops or RCMP. No one here calls them mounties unless they are in cerimonial dress and on parade ;)

YA RIGHT
 

You know if we ask all the drunks and drug runners to just ride in the right lane........
Ya right. People have always street raced. But it used to be done in a manner that minimized deaths....atleast of spectators. The government is slowly trying to control every hobby or sport that requires physical use of your limbs and mind. Maybe we should all just stay inside and see who can type the fastest.:rolleyes:
I am sorry for everyone who has been affected by racing on streets. But this zero tolorence crap is spreading to everything slowly. Sooner or later if will be used for everything, and then what. Everyone will be a felon.

Fine crack down on street racing by catching the racers, if you can. I think this will lead the other way because i know if i was watching a race and the cops were coming to tow and then sale my car, im running. And now they are saying the race tracks are harboring the street racers and encouraging them to race outside the track.
So now they are trying to shut down the track that I go to legally race. Thats not going to happen without a fight.

You're wrong. Dead wrong, and your attitude sickens me. There needs to be an island for people like you. Lemmings, nothing more. Without reason, thought, or debate you simply make decisions as if it was your choice to judge people as a whole? You're the same kind of idiot listening to sob stories, and basing your decision not on right or wrong, but on whoever has the most heartwrenching tale. I'm sick of you idiots. Where do you come from? Is there a way for us to keep you from breeding?

Why don't you get rid of that GT convertable? You don't deserve to drive it. There is no legitimate reason to own a GT vs a 6cyl. What do you want the extra power for? If you're using the extra power, which you are or you wouldn't have purchased it, then you're nothing more than a hypocritical, self righteous, moron.

You show you unending stupidity by bringing my statement about older cars being banned from the roads because they are dangerous, BUT I DID NOT SAY THAT . I drive a 1987 Mustang GT with 160,000 miles on it. It's a safe car, maintained and roadworthy. My comment, which you so stupidly attempted to manipulate, was pointing out the inherent problems with grouping people together based on a isolated or unusual circumstance. If you think I'm going to let you manipulate what I say, you're sadly mistaken. People do NOT need to be controlled, Mr. Communist. They need to be free to enjoy their life and pursuit of happiness.

Your ridiculous question as to why I made this a political issue is answered with, IT IS A POLITICAL ISSUE. Why don't you pull your head out of your rear end (I'm not talking cars here, buddy), and learn to make decisions based on a little research, instead of what some news anchor or politician tells you? Why would you even attempt to debate me? You're obviously incapable of thinking for yourself, and as such, you're horribly unprepared to even think about starting a debate with me.

When you learn to think for yourself, gain real experience in issues, or do some unbiased research, you can try and debate me. Until then, you're the ricer of today's issues in society, and I will give you not one shred of credit.

There's a certain amount of "don't ask -- don't tell" built-in to our legal system. It's what allows you to sometimes do 80 in a 65 on a deserted highway without being stopped by the cop you blew past. It's a judgement call on the part of the police.


By cracking down on street racing, it means more severe penalties for those that are caught. This is a good thing for the most part. If you take measures to not get caught, odds are you're not endangering anyone while racing. The system works. ;)

Jesus, Unit, get a grip.

Rev

Well apparently I have a totally different view on crackdowns. Here is the reality. The government steps in by creating some ultra restrictive laws that give ultimate power to the police. Then they release a frenzy of unmarked squads onto the streets specifically targeting street racing, whether it's organized or unorganized. The laws like the one passed in FL that allow the officer to make a judgment call on zero or obscure evidence chews away at the ideals this country was founded on.

Cracking down on 100% of the people to get the 1% causing trouble is wrong. Next time you might roll away from a stop sign a little quick on a seldom used country road, and an unmarked cop in a white Grand Am might pull you over for street racing. If that should happen, you let me know how just you think the system is when you're convicted of a felony.

It's high time real issues were addressed on the roads. Like not letting drunk drivers back onto them again and again. Street racing a felony, but drunk driving isn't? Maybe you'd like to compare mortality statistics between the two? Our government, and people like friedchicken (I know he's a Canadian) decide they should crack down on whatever the topic of the day is. Get out the big stick! I want to wave it around in the air and stomp on the ground for a while. Seeing the big picture is more important to me. The big picture says rights, freedoms, and fun are being stripped away one at a time. The government does it slowly so people don't see the whole picture. They're too busy hopping onto the bandwagon to notice what's really going on. As a society, we need to put pressure on crazy urban street racing. We don't need the government to hold our hands. They keep giving police more and more power. They strip more and more fun away because it's not a "norm" of society. Making norms into laws is risky business. Hopefully, there will be a bit of an uprising.

Sit back and watch it all slip away if you want to Rev. When you wake up one day and they pass a law to come impound your car, don't come crying to me.

I have a total grip, and I have a reason to be ticked off. It's not like this is the first time in the past few days some cop or other wannabe political activist has popped up to tell me and the rest of the board how it is. In this case, like most of the others, it's a bunch of political hot air. If nobody steps up to debate or discredit it, then nobody has a right to complain when these laws get passed.

I vote, I speak, and I type. Maybe you'd be a little more hyped up about this kind of stuff if you lived in Minnesota, where they've been cracking down on every sport, recreational activity, and hobby. I'm tired of it.

I was just offering an alternate viewpoint. :D


Besides, if cops want to be jerks, they're going to be jerks regardless of what measures the government is taking to eliminate street racing. If a state trooper in an unmarked car wants to pull me over because I took off from a stop sign, he's going to find an excuse to. But...that's why we have courts.


Was I arguing for these laws? No. They do cause trouble for even us law-abiding enthusiasts. However, I don't drive in a way that will get me tossed in jail or get my license suspended.
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Most of the time. :D

Actually, Unit, I agree with you on the need for civil liberties. It was only when you called others idiots, that i thought you were somewhat out of line.

Rev

Maybe you guys don't have the same viewpoint I do. Here in Minnesota, they are cracking down on snowmobiles like nobody's business. According to the complaints, they are too loud, too dangerous, and too dirty. Their use has been banned in my city, and neighboring cities. Most of the people complaining are wealthy incoming population from the urban area's. There were 31 complaints here in the city of Champlin. That was enough to ban snowmobiling. There are 1400 registered snowmobiles. The 31 complaints came from like 7 people. The police were in favor of it because they couldn't catch a snowmobiler who tries to flee. It had NEVER happened, but it could.

There is a current DNR crackdown on ATV's in northern Minnesota. Sponsered by wealthy land owners moving into the more reclusive area's, the crackdown destroys recreation for an already crushed community ripped apart by layoffs, mine closings, and businesses leaving. Property values skyrocket as the rich jackasses fight for prime country real estate in northern Minnesota. They come in, and land value gets so high people are forced to leave their homes. Many small businesses shut down because of the lack of constant customer basis.

A crackdown on speeding is most definately in force. Law enforcement agencies have learned they can come up with terrific revenue by pulling people over non-stop. The crackdown gets worse and worse as people slow down. Now they pull you over for under 5mph over the limit in some cases. They are running out of suckers, so they have to change the rules to keep making the quota. My city of 20,000 people has 3 completely unmarked squads that park in driveways, on the shoulder with the lights out, anything possible to bust a speeder. A navy blue Ford Taurus, a white Grand Am, and a silver Crown Vic are the weapons of choice.

Studs on snowmobiles were banned, then brought back in under a law that allows limited useage for an additional registration fee. The poor snow seasons, and restrictions, including the EPA's bullshit statistics are crippling the snowmobile industry, one of the few places to work in northern Minnesota left.

Personal watercraft came under gross attack by the DNR. Access restrictions, wake restrictions, speed restrictions. The industry is dying or dead here because of fishermen, and wealthy yacht clubbers. What right do those idiots have to the waters that the rest of the people don't?

Restictions on construction, like low income housing, and urban sprawl initiatives have resulted in SKYROCKETING home prices, and rent prices up 30% over the last 2-3 years. Increases in taxes, subsidies to farmers for ethanol, and other spending keeps Minnesota amongst the 3 highest taxed states in the United States. Where it used to be justified, with a laid back, recreational funhouse, now it's a militant crackdown on everything in sight.

I'm sick and fricken tired of it. Seems as though they pass these restrictions and laws one at a time in huge bills with one tiny line dedicated to "PS, you can't own a Mustang in the state of MN"

As far as me being out of line for calling somebody an idiot, he was the one that took what I said and insulted me by manipulating it. Along with his insults from another topic, and his comment that I (part of society) need to be controlled by people like him. Burns me to no end.

I still think Unit has gone off on a "tangent" here. As a confirmed street racer for a long number of years, I do not think that bringing in "Nazi" (my word) techniques is really applicable. We in the USA do have courts that prevent judicial abuses and I for one, have full confidence in the use of constitutional law as a defense in preventing those abuses.

Rev

I agree with unit on some of this. i think the goverment is cracking way to down on things. Pretty soon we wont be able to do anything fun. it is like seatbelt laws. I hate that law so much that is way to controlling. if someone dosen't want to wear a seat belt they shouldn't have too.

GET MAD UNIT! MAD MAD MAD!!:mad: :mad: :mad: GET REALLY PISSED OFF AND GO PUNCH YOUR NEIGHBOR! QUICKLY BEFORE YOUR ANGER RUNS OUT!

i dont understand why it seems to me that you go off the handle so easily. you got your point across. most of us agree with mostly what you have to say. i agree mostly with you.

well i hope your not angry at me! and i am glad i am not your neighbor right now, but maybe the dude below me may?! hmmm.

Actually,
This is a good subject and a good thread....

Unit obviously believes in his point, and there's nothing wrong with that....

I also believe that the current crackdown on streetracing is bringing in laws that were better left on the legislator's desks...

Drunk driving is a LARGE problem, but somehow I never see anything about DUIs in the media anymore..... streetracing is now more dangerous if you listen to the news anchors....

Let me fill you in on my little "altercation" with the law...
One Sunday night about 1 AM I just couldn't sleep. I stepped out onto the patio. It was a beautiful clear night, so I decided to grab a soda from Whataburger and take a little cruise in the stang.

With a large coke sitting next to me, I started to cruise the back streets. No houses, lots of empty road on a clear night with some Van Halen on the stereo. Came up to a 4 way stop and saw a 5.0 hatch going the other way. Didn't know the dude, but he waved, and I waved back. As I turned, he turned to follow me. The road turned into a 2 lane and he pulled next to me at about 45 mph.

He revved, I revved.... I looked around, the road was dead and in an area that was just getting cleared for some new houses. We were definately in the boonies. I looked over and yelled whether he wanted to run from a stop. He yelled "great"!

We slowed down and stopped. I checked out the vicinity....
Nice open road, no houses, no traffic. Just me and this guy in the middle of nowhere.

On the count of 3. 1,2, 3!

He got a great launch and pulled about 3/4 of a car.... but once I hooked up it was all over as I reeled him in and pulled away hard...

And then, just as I let off... I saw the moonlight glint off of something in a side road to my right. Low and behold TWO cops pull out in their cruisers and the lights come on....

The other guy got back on it and passed me as I decided to just take my medicine as I pulled over. The second cop went after him full speed as the first opened his door and walked up to my door.

"Is there any REASON you two happened to be flying through here?" Boy did this guy have a smirk on his face....

I responded, "I guess you guys caught us playing around a bit..."

Then it started: "Aren't you a little old for this crap?"
He took my license and did the computer thing...
He came back and started again...
"You know we take this street racing stuff seriously in our city. Nice ride. I would hate to have it towed and put you in jail for the night."

As I was being read the riot act, I noticed ANOTHER cop car slowly creep up behind us with another 2 cops....
jeez... Its like I was a known axe murderer or something....

He threw me my license. "Go home... We'll deal with your friend..."

With that, the other 2 cruisers sped off. While I guess he was nice in the respect that he let me go.... I was left thinking what in the heck were 2 cop cruisers doing with their lights off in the middle of nowhere? Certainly not preventing any REAL crimes...

With the laws getting stiffer. Mandatory jail time, revokation of license... It could really destroy your life... How the heck are you supposed to work? All because I was having a little fun. Punishment doesn't really fit the crime in this case does it?

Not exactly the Fast and the Furious with tons of drunken\high teenagers spectating while known felons are driving at Mach 4 in cars that were meant to go 70....

If it had been a power hungry butthead of a cop who wanted to make my life hell, he certainly could, all for a minor offense.

Sometimes its unsettling how much power we give some of these folks.... Does the answer lie in giving them carte blanche to do as they wish? I for one don't think so....

yeah, i agree, but it seems you just go home as for the other guy, well, most likely he wont! consider yourself lucky! remember it only takes one bad apple to ruin a bushel. as in your case, people before you already did.

Unit, I have no objections with your points of view- and some are valid given your experience with the law/government. I am not trying to win you over to the dark side or change your mind. I was just trying to enlighten you to other points of view and circumstances.

However give me the right to my own opinions as we do everyone else without the need to attack me personally and assuming I have no idea what I am talking about. If anything, I am the ideal person to hold this type of discussion with, as I have strong interests into both sides of the argument- course you wouldn't have known that before you opened our mouth.

For the record, I was not trying to manipulate your point on the 100k car. I only took it as I read it. You should be more clear next time. I'm sure I'm not the only one that didn't see the deep meaning of your post.

And calling me ricer and that I don't deserve my ride and the rest of that immature crap you spewed? I hope that made you feel better. Nothing better to defend a poor position than to shift to insults and attack my integrety- which has no bearing on entering my own point of view against yours.

I didn't elect the officials in Minnesota, and I am all for *reasonable* laws being passed. But when you compare what is happening to the recreational market in your corner of the world to every faced of governed life here on earth, I think you need a little wake up call. There are extemes to everything and you have quoted some very valid ones. However, my position on street racing is firm and for reason. Just wait till you have someone close to you DIE from carless actions of others that would not have happened if the proper care was taken in the first place.

Ask yourself a simple question- should street racing be leagal? Yes or No. No in-between or conditions.

Should people be allowed to street race and risk personal injury or property damage?

If it's no, then the government may pursue what means they feel necessary.

If yes, then you would have more crowded meets and races with newbies and pros alike- (and we all know newbies drive perfect, right?) ;) and many more fatalities.

Don't like the laws in place? Or feel the policing agencies are out for blood? I have a simple solution.

MOVE. Minnesota is only 1 state. There are many more to choose from.

Happy thoughts, Unit, Happy thoughts!:D

I just don't know how some of you people ignore this fact and try to justify the new legislation by saying that its a political assignment.

I have to disagree with you. I don't think racing on the street is a prereq. for having a GT versus a V6. I never race on the street anymore, nor do I endanger others, but I STILL use the "extra power" on the curvy back roads that I love so much. Not only that, but the joy of the extra power can still be felt driving just about anywhere, heck even going uphill on mountainous highways :) maintaining speed while all the 4 banger suckas lose speed mwahahaha :D

On the whole issue, I'm kinda split on it. Actually, I don't blame politics...I blame THE FAST AND THE FURIOUS. Before you scoff, hear me out---

At street races I was 99% the spectator, and before that damned movie came out, most of the people down at the "spot" were peeps who TRULY loved cars, and came up there to actually race and talk to other car lovers, not do burnouts in the parking lot and endanger others and their vehicles. I went for about 1.5-2 years.

The first time I went to the same spot AFTER FATF came out, it was a freekin traffic jam from the highway down to the spot...hundreds and hundreds of cars. When I finally got there, I just turned around and went home...burnouts, people pulling e-brakes 5 feet away from humans and other cars, it was a sickening site. Typical kids that saw the movie, then took their stock Civics and Integras down to "be cool" like Vin Diesel.

-I'm getting to the point, I promise-

One thing I always did notice (before FATF), was that when the cops came, the posers and ricers always left pretty quick, leaving only the people that came down to really enjoy cars and stuff...we'd be there until like 4-5am, and the losers had been long gone, and the cops too (no one doing hot ****).

I can't wait until the goddamn ricer trend and the crap it brings with it is gone, and then the TRUE racers that can have fun and be smart about it can come back out to play, then the cops will go away, and the political agenda will quiet down as well. I just wonder how long it will take :(



Also, I DO NOT believe that its only the racers that are risking their lives. Roads ARE public, even though picking deserted roads does minimize the chances of a random car happenin' along.

BowTie Eater 5 Liter , how's it feel to start a flamewar thread such as this? :D

I'm not jumping into the arguement, but I've been reading it and you guys are pretty funny, keep it coming! :)

The politics coming into this was inevitable I guess, but the point I was trying to make way back at the beginning was that people are DYING !!!!! And it isn't always the kids that choose to race...it is innocent families or people that are just in the wrong place at the wrong time....no matter what it involves politically, you CANNOT dispute that this is a dangerous hobbie (IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY OR EARLY EVENING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY) there is no way you can disagree with that, whoever does is one of the people that is out there doing it, and eventually you will die or you will kill someone else....your girlfriend, your best friend or your own mother!!! Everything in this world involves politics now, that is life in this century, but how can it be said that the goverment is taking away all our fun in relation to this conversation????How is dying or killing people fun??????????

Im new to this board. But if you want a good rush of racing try being here in Germany. Just push the pedal to the floor and hold on. The only problem here is you can be doing 150mph and some ******* will just pull right in to your lane. You got to really stay alert when you drive on the Bahn.

now, now, we all know that FAST and FURIOUS ISNT REAL but just a ricer's fantasy!!:D :p :eek:

srv1, Sorry I give a rats *** about what's going on. Some things get me more ticked off than others. One group are people who get up on a soapbox preaching about how we need to control everybody and everything.

fried chicken, get a clue. I live near the Twin Cities, not where most of the crap is going down, but that's besides the point. The point is, it's getting like this everywhere. To your point about street racing. Should it be legal, or illegal. I don't think the term should exist in the law books. Bust people for reckless, or careless. You don't need an additional law just the crack down on racing. By the way, no, the government shouldn't have the power to crackdown on whatever it feels like, however it wants. Get a clue. Why not make jaywalking a felony too? By your idea, the government has every right to do so. It's in OUR constitution that they do NOT have that right. It's called cruel and unusual punishment. Maybe I have it better than people in other countries. I'm sorry, but I think "good enough" doesn't cut it. People who do, and then let it slide find out "good enough" isn't so great when you don't take care of it. You're the one who came after me, anyway. What's a matter? Unit didn't lay down and take a spoon feeding of liberal ideas from you... sniff sniff.

Belle, you're guilty of street racing, and a felony in Florida. Weren't you going to move there? Hmm... maybe you'd like the view from inside a jail cell while they haul Shiloh over to an impound lot for auction because you were using your power a little? Any attempt to gauge a cars performance, whether in an actual race, or otherwise is considered street racing there. Might have been a specific county, not statewide, but it's coming.

Ponygirl67, yep, people die on the roads. They die from rolling their SUV when they fail to keep track of the tire pressure, they die when people run red lights, they die when truck drivers fall asleep behind the wheel, they die when people don't look before they change lanes, they die when people aren't paying attention talking on a cell phone, they certainly die when drunk drivers are not in control of their vehicle.

I'm sorry to be the bearer of a cold reality, but people are not immortal. As great as it would be to hop into a car and never have to wear a seatbelt, or pay attention to the road because you know you'd never get into an accident, it's an unreasonable goal. How about felony speeding for 5mph over the limit on a suburban street?

When does it stop? Do companies have to install pillows on escalators? Maybe make it a felony for letting your child play outside because they could catch a bad cold? HAHAHA that's just so crazy to even think, isn't it? I don't think so. I think it's a trend that I've been watching for years. Things that NEVER would have been controlled 15, 10, 5 years ago are getting cracked down on now. So what's it like in another 5, 10, or 15 years? I know, I know, working in the investments sector of the economy I have seen the current interest. Now, now, now!! Gimme, gimme, gimme!! I don't care what the long term looks like! Guess I'm probably just talking to a wall with some people.

Like I said before, to which nobody paid any damn attention. [QUOTE]Originally posted by ME:
Bust it down in the city. Fine. Bust it down on busy roads. Fine.

I'm so dead set against giving a couple people doing a quick little run on some backwards county farm road jailtime and a felony on their record, along with taking their car. Street racing is a rule that shouldn't even be on the books, and it shouldn't be treated anything different from reckless, or careless driving. Actually, I don't think it should be treated worse than a speeding ticket. Maybe somebody here has a good reason it should be?

you hit it right on there!!!!

UNIT IS ONE PISSED OF DUDE!
 

Question UNIT, did you punch your neighbor yet? are you still pissed off?

EVERYBODY HERE SEES THAT YOU GIVE A RATS A*S AND YOU ARE SERIOUS. WHY YOU SEEM ANGRY? ARE YOU ANGRY? OR DO YOU THINK WE DON'T SEE WHAT YOU ARE WRITING? GIVE US A BREAK!

[QUOTE]Like I said before, to which nobody paid any damn attention. have you wrote to Congress or your local legislatures about these issues? well did you?

Unit, I still see your point of extremism, but you clearly are of the minority. The few that agree that street racing is ok are outnumbered by those who see it as a threat. Some agencies may take to extreme measures, but that is not my fault. Officers are supposed to be non-prejuducial and that kind of attitude is hidden from public for a reason. Some states have looser policies and some states have larger problems than others.

That is not MY liberal policy that you feel is being imposed on you, but DEMOCRACY. 10 people speak out against these little rice burners vs the 1 enthusiast who is responsible about their hobby. It's not my fault that you like in such a conservative state and place hardarsed rules to suit. That sounds like your brothers and sisters fault... you know... the poeple that elcted your gov't officials?

No matter how you try to explain your points, these laws are reactionary, not some make money scheme to give policing agencies a carte-blanche or any excuse to pull someone over.

"I" didn't put headlines in the paper about teens killed in high speed manouvers or whatever. Don't get pissed at me when it brings public outcry and attention. "I" and the people "like" me didn't force that 16yr old with daddies BMW to race in broad daylight and kill 2 poeple in an oncomming lane. Why not be pissed off at the ones responsible for bringing these changes in the first place instead of hating "us" who actually care about the victim. Go after the ricers and subur street racers.

And I cannot believe you can sit there and compare a bylaw concerning EPA restrictions on snowmobiles in suburbia to manslaughter and carless driving. LOL I thought that snowmobiles were used as recreation in the great outdoors on trails, farms, the bush and the like....

Remember to breath Unit! Try to find your happy place :D

Of course, I'm sure almost all of us have partaken in the activity once if not several times. However, I have not personally raced since I lost my hood, windshield, and part of my roof to a race, which was ALMOST 2 years ago...so if learning from my mistakes still means peeps can rub in idiocy from my youth...well its no wonder people don't try harder to improve themselves :rolleyes:.

And if it gets to the point that hanging on a country road constitutes street racing, well by then we probably have ALOT more to worry bout law wise, you know?

You want to stop crack downs? Shoot everyone associated with the news media. In the past the medai reported what happened, and you made up your own mind about the matter. But oh no, not anymore. They "tell" the news and what your opinion should be, you are no longer allowed to make up your own mind.

This zero tollerance thing is also crap on a stick. Punishments should be based on prior records, circumstances, and the severity of the crime. Street racing should be along the same lines as reckless driving, in fact street racing should be reckless driving.

BTW, I agree with Unit 110%. I've had enough of this big brother and politicaly correct CRAP.

I agree with both of you. Its crap, and it will eventually lead to many unhappy citizens, which history has proven repeatedly is NOT a good thing...:(

Okay. Let me just make this plain and simple. I've attended city council meetings. There have been no laws to make street racing a felony in Minnesota that I know of. It's not my job to write to legislators in Florida.

Fried Chicken, I'm not the extremist here. I'm not the liberal. You're the one in favor of putting everybody in jail for no good reason, and by the last few posts, I would certainly say I'm in the majority. When car enthusiasts go after other car enthusiasts, that's when it gets really sickening.

I'm not nearly as angry as you think I am. I find your arguements mostly laughable and uneducated. You're just one of those walls I'm referring to in my post above. By the way, you can officially quit quoting United States government policy and law enforcement since you don't live here :rolleyes: I think those of us who DO live here have a much better understanding of how things work in this country than somebody on the outside.

By the way, please do me the favor of telling me you've taken off fast from a stoplight sometime to feel the push back into the seat the GT gives. You're guilty of felony street racing here in the state of Florida, in the country of the United States of America.

srv 1, I have spent very little time addressing your Unit is all POed posts because I'm really not. I'm a little ticked off that people don't take the time to think about topics rather than just pointing out the outcome of certain events.

Racing and government
 

At the very real risk of seeing pigs fly overhead and hell freezing over, I have to agree with Unit on this issue.

Nothing original I can add to his cogent comments here but this affection for 'Nanny-Government' from friedchicken is truly depressing.

The world is dangerous and driving is a risk. Get used to it. Everyone speeds. You could get killed going to work tomorrow. That's what living entails; risk. Is this a revelation to anyone over 12?

It's stating the obvious to say that 'street racing' in crowded areas at peak traffic times is insane and should be punished but these 'crackdowns' are political hype from politicians and cops who simply want to be seen as 'doing something' when a bunch of teenagers get killed in some horrific crash while racing. Unnecessary and mostly fruitless but it looks good to concerned parents and the nervous types.

Punish the reckless and the stupid driver but save the Big Brother Protecting Us crap and the 'Government Knows Best' attitude that seeks to regulate and restrict every human activity, especially if it involves cars.

Canada is basically a socialist society and I assume those from that area find socialism to be attractive as they embrace the nanny-state model. Fine. This is America.

We treasure our freedoms and don't want or need any Big Brothers to watch over us...for our own good of course. Stuff that.

I leave further discussion to others as this thread is probably close to running it's course at this late date. I'm sure Unit and others can hold up the anti-socialist government argument and hopefully few performance car fans will willingly embrace more police/government restrictions on racing in general, while understanding that stupid, reckless driving is still just that and not condoned by most anyone.

Just to clarify. I never said that you were an extremist- I said that the measures that they were taking with your examples were. :rolleyes:

As for your question about whether I stoplight race or not in my GT? I did some solo I racing in my 98 cobra on weekends and since I traded it in, I still miss the power and grunt on the road. So I got another V8. Don't believe me? Too bad. I am in no way going to jeapordize (sp) my career with doing something stupid. My choice, I know. I just wish that more people considered the consequesnces before the get behind the wheel.

Mr 5.0, sounds like they have gone too far just for impressions sake. Nothing I can do about that except to keep my name out of the paper. Image is everything with the government and the police, but that is nothing new here.

I hope they make it easier for the enthusiasts to take part in what they want to do responsably- in all hobbies/sports/activites... but that's going to take alot of voices.

boo-hoo, your no fun! what topic you want to talk about? want me to make a thread on a "useful" topic? naa. i leave mostly for others to do that. i put the "F" in fun around here. without me, you guys would be talking about "who sank my battleship".:p

well you never answered me yet on a serious question. did you write to Congress or your local legislatures about these issues? well did you?.....i still hear the crickets......

my 2 cents
 

1) cnn sucks; the media is terrible; and many ignorant people just eat it up, have no opinion of their own, are we all evolving to mindless drones? (do TV's really use beta-band emissions to reduce our neurological abilities?) haha

2) I will get mad at any ricer that gets me into trouble from now on like the trouble they caused at a torontostreetracing.com meet at Yorkdale last year. I was pulled over and inspected at 1am cause of burnouts done 2 weeks prior in the parking lot (not by me!). then I was pulled over 2 minutes later.. I was told that I might have to take my car in for a "re-certification" cause i might be failing emissions.. only cause I said I was from up north and in school did I get out of the situation (ie: *****-ki$$ing)

unit, rock on, raise more hell please, we need more educated people like you spreading the word.. to add to units issues, up here in Canada, the gun laws are coming into effect; charging $$ to go fishing north of my hometown; can't drive snowmachine until outside of city limits; etc, etc, etc..

so, conclusion, yes, big brother is slowly tightening his grip, and many people think its comfortable..

please post more thoughts, I think as owners of stangs, we all basically subscribe to the same ideals.. shouldn't be fighting each other here..

back to exam studying, g'nite guys..
:)

Re: my 2 cents
 

this guy here said it better than all of us combined without the lenghty paragraphs. good to have you on the boards.

BACK TO THE LECTURE AT HAND....
 

Thanks BowTie, I've been telling people for weeks that they are doing this, they did something similar in New York and then dressed up the Mustangs as Police Cars.

The PK races are pretty safe but the cops need to save face so they are going to take someone down to look like heroes. 90% of the public doesn't know that the PK races are a completely different ball game than racing at 41st and Oak at a traffic light.

I can't believe that they want to start seizing cars! Say someone had a short stoplight run in a brand new Cobra and the cops come after him, he realizes that he might lose his car, is he going to stop and hand the government $40 grand (Canadian)? Or is he going to make a run for it? He makesa run for it and clears out a family of 4, is that better?

As much as I don't believe in a crackdown, especially at PK I do believe that there are a lot of people who shouldn't have licenses here and shouldn't own the cars they do, heck 20 people agd 16-23 in 5 weeks! A good portion of these were in overpowered cars that their parent's bought them. If I have kids and my 16 year old wants a fast car they can get a job and earn it so then they'll have a better chance of respecting it.

The police are trying to tell people they shouldnt get there kids fast cars(they said hondas and acuras.... HAHAHAHA!!!!!!), or even let the kids take out mommy/daddys fast cars now.
I find this complete bull****, it is just the kids that own the movie Fast And The Furious that drive this way, i know, as i own the fastest car in the school parking lot, and i probably drive the best(I have the most respect for my car, ex. not speeding in stupid areas). at our school, only the kids with the imports think there hot **** and peel out around every corner. people need to learn respect for there cars, and know that there is a time and a place for fast driving and burnouts, the drag strip.

This has to be the longest thread i have ever started!!!

keep it going

(p.s. if what i just wrote made no sense, deal with it :D)