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Dark 5.0, it's people like you that make me glad I'm smart.


Is that the best you could do,:rolleyes: What a let down:D

You are confused when it comes to car performance.

The 03 cobra will not only compete with the Z06 and viper but it will also compete with anything else that pulls beside it. For the simple reason that car performance is tested on the track.

For some reason you think all the cars at the track are stock...and you spout out things like LS1 owners will have to pray to the gods for 50 horses to compete witht the new cobra.

Most of the LS1's that drag race run 11's and 12's and many of the Z06';s and vipers are in the tens there are at least 50 5.0's running 11's or better at my track.

There is nothing more frustrating than killing an LS1 in the 1/8th mile and then see him fly by you going 108mph.

There are certain vehicles that are just fast and deserve respect.

Grand nationals
LS1's
Modular cobras
V-8 swapped S-10's

None of us will probably ever get to see the new cobra on the track anyways cause of its low production #'s

Excuse my laziness for not reading through 4 pages again or excuse my forgetfulness, but are there going to be only 1,000 '03 Cobra's made?

E

LMAO!

Logical? How about this for logic... If GM wanted to step up to the plate, all they would need to do is add a blower from the factory. What would that be? At least 450 HP (and I'm not talking about the Z06 or any other special edition). Then guess what, the Cobra will be behind again for the next 10 years.

After my initial excitement for the 2003 Cobra, I'm now a bit disappointed. The performance is now where it should be, but I wish they would've accomplished this naturally aspirated. I think Ford will eventually have to add a little displacement to the current Mustang engine size if they want to compete with GM. Or, hope GM decides to reintroduce the 283, 305 or the 327.

Sorry, Unit, not trying to start a flame war here. Just something else for you to consider.

I think they're going to build somewhere between 5 - 6,000 new Cobra's.

There's an article somewhere that talks about the production numbers, but I can't find it. A few people on the Corral said 10,000 will be produced.

That production figure should be in the ball park based on past production numbers of the Cobra.

Dark 5.0, although you have apparently witnessed the modifed cars at the track, most stay very near stock on the street. Not everybody likes to void the warranty on their $30,000 investment right after getting it. Still more don't just because their new $30k car can beat almost anything they run up against, while in stock form. Interesting that you left the 5.0 out of the cars to be respected. Don't kid yourself about the low production numbers on the Cobra. It would appear to me that the standard Cobra will have a supercharged 390hp engine, not a Cobra special. Your insistance that the Corvette and the Viper compete directly with the Mustang shows your lack of knowledge and ability to create a valid argument. Please allow me to explain this to you so that you may better understand. I'm talking about the guy who walks into purchase the car. Is a person who needs 4 seats going to look at the Mustang Cobra, or the Viper? They are completely different cars, and their target markets are much different. By the way, it wasn't worth my time to create some brutal comeback for you. I don't really like destroying good topics anyway

89 Cobra LX, your point is? Do you know anything about the 4.6L DOHC? Apparently not, or you'd know that the 4.6L equipped with a blower puts out more power than the LS1 equipped with a blower. Coulda, woulda, shoulda... If Dodge decided to step up to the plate, they could supercharge the Viper. Or if Toyota wanted to step up to the plate, they could turbocharge the Camry. Or maybe if Chevy wanted to step up, they could drop the Corvette altogether and replace it with a turbo V-8 Metro. Ford could step up to the plate and begin production of the 720hp GT-90 with it's 6.0L V-12. The Cobra's DOHC engine is more tame than you know. It's not even working to make it's 340hp (RWHP of 280, suggests it's really making 340). There is no need to consider your interjections as they are purely founded in fantasy. Ford has decided to bring forth this supercharged Cobra, GM has killed the model that they would counter the Cobra with. Honestly, I really doubt Ford isn't aiming the Cobra at the Corvette. More likely, they're just trying to keep it ahead of the Lightning. As far as the Cobra being faster than the Corvette, I'm pleased and very suprised to see that it will be.

I really get so tired of hearing people(especially the GM crowd) say it's too bad Ford had to put a supercharger on the cobra to make that kind of power.

Do any of us have any pull with Ford? NO

Ford choose several years ago to begin putting 4.6's in mustangs, not 5.0's, 5.8's 5.4's or what ever.

And I especially like when the GM crowd says well lets put a supercharger on an LS1 and see what kind of power it makes. Fords motors have typically been low compression, meaning 9.5:1 or lower. GM's motors are usually 10:1 or higher. Imagine how much more power a regular cobra would be if it was 10.5:1 like the LS1.

Now lets slap a blower on the 10.5:1 LS1 motor. How much boost can you make without destroying the motor, maybe 10 lbs with the best tune possible, most in the 6-8 lb range.

The cobra has 8.5:1 and runs 8 lbs from the factory. This thing could easily handle 15 lbs of boost with a conservative tune. If the power is as advertised, which I think it will, you add a full exhaust, smaller pulley, more gear, and a chip and a stock Z06 has meet it's match, even a lightly modded one.

I scan the net regularly to see what others are saying, and alot of the GM crowd is scared of this thing, they just want admit it. All I hear is excuses about the supercharger being cheating or they continue to refer to the 99' cobras lack of advertised power in hopes that the new cobra will be the same, at least they hope it will.

If it makes you feel any better, trees thrive on automotive exhaust emissions. If you are a "gross polluter", you are actually doing more for the trees on this planet than your emissions friendly counterpart. if they give you a hard time, you can accurately tell them that you are actually saving trees.

The one thing people seem to be forgetting is exactly what it is that a blower does. It increases displacement. Period. A 4.6L that acheives 9.65 pounds of boost, at sea level, will have exactly 7.0 liters displacement. Advantage: Ford. Why? Because the Ford will have the lighter weight and better economy of the 4.6, but on demand, will have the displacement of a 7.0. Meanwhile, the GM 7.0 will always be 7.0. When stuck in traffic, or going shopping, or dropping the wife off at the hairdresser, it will be a large, oversized engine, with lousy fuel mileage.

I'm still glad the idea is being discussed, but think about the pros and cons before you make up your mind. IMHO, a supercharged 4.6 is the smart choice.

Take care,
-Chris

i dont think anyone buys a v8 sports car because they get good gas mileage. and what would happen if you supercharged the 7.0??? youd have an absolute rocket.

No, you'd have a $25,000 engine, or pieces of engine block lining your engine compartment. Feel free to build a supercharged 427 if you want to, but when you finally get everything put together perfect and realize your engine isn't streetable, or reliable, and that your car exceeds the $100k price tag....

Or I could always say.. What if Ford took a Saturn V booster rocket and strapped it to the roof of my Mustang???? Can you imagine how fast it would go then?????

Get a clue. (You can find one with years of practicing common sense.)

By the way, one of the main reasons I bought another Mustang V-8 after my last one was because of the very good fuel economy I got.

What If, What If. Man thats all I hear from the GM camp. I've got a rocket now and it only took me 5.0 liters to do it.

If and when they build a 7.0, how much is that thing going to cost, probably twice the amount of a new cobra? It will be limited production, probably less than a thousand units, and the people that buy it aren't going to be thinking about supercharging it.

You can make anything fast if you put enough money into it, and chose the right parts.

GET REAL UNIT
 

UNIT----- Please notice that I drive a 5.0 mustang and there for I must be a ford guy, I can afford to buy whatever car I want with in reason.

I am not talking about competing in the sales market, You stated that the cobra will own certain cars..........To own someone you have to beat them in a race correct......Most intelligent people race at a track. So therefore I think I did make a valid arguement.

It is my opiniojn that the 5.0 is the best drag car around, But I have to keep it real and the truth is the Grand Nationals and the S-10's Own most of the 5.0's around here for now.

I am doing my part to change that, one mod at a time.

You can try to "keep it real" all you want. The Cobra will own the base Corvette in performance. On the street, or at the track.

That being placed aside, the Cobra will NOT compete with the Corvette or Viper. Compete with refers to sales markets. As I previously stated, nobody who needs 4 seats will look at purchasing a Corvette or Viper. It's like saying the Metro competes with the Caravan.

The thing that I find the most funny about this small displacement bashing is how smaller displacement cars with power adders are held with respect in a lot of cases. There is no replacement for displacement is the old proverb. Yet the 5.0 has put many thundering old big blocks to shame. Handicapped in displacement, but with superior technology it proved itself. The 5.0 GT's competitors in some cases were forced induction turbo cars. A couple of those cars became extremely respected. The Toyota Supra TT, Buick Grand National, even the little Mitsu/Eagle Eclipse/Talon combo. Those little engined 6cyl and 4 bangers with just a few mods were making some of the big blocks of yesteryear look bad.

I think the 2003 Cobras will be the best cars in the world.

Unit- I respect your opinion, but I thought I'd give mine. Please don't take this as a flame.:)

IMO, I think that the new cobra should hold it's own in a straight line, but I'm not sure about on a road course. Here's why:

- The corvette is better balanced (50/50 wieght dist. vs 57/43)
- The corvette is a lot lighter (3200lbs vs 3650lbs)
- Vettes are dynoing 300-315 rwhp stock vs 330-340 (if the Cobras make the Advertised 390 hp). I don't know if the difference in hp will make up for the difference in weight.
- I also think braking will be better on the vette due to the lower weight, but that remains to be seen

A guy on the corral has a 2000 C5 that dynoed 310-315rwhp and went 12.80-12.90@114 bone stock. I think if you put that car on a road course with a 03 Cobra, it would be a close race or maybe even beat it. Granted, that's a strong running vette, but I don't think an average vette will be much slower. Of course this is all speculation at this point, but it should be interesting to see what kind of performance numbers the Cobras put up.

Where is the post that brought this back to the top:confused:

-Will

When someone votes in the poll it brings it back to the top also...

I see, I see, much obliged:D

-Will

Did I say such in my Post?? Nope. More like stating Marketing aspects, Likely consumer, and insurance brackets...

Hmmm..I dont recall saying its a family car.

Oh, and Yes..I was talking about the 2003 Cobra...Not the prevouis ones...Although they all share the same market. Perhaps one should reread the post you quoted.

Did I say such in my Post?? Nope. More like stating Marketing aspects, Likely consumer, and insurance brackets...

Hmmm..I dont recall saying its a family car.

You have seriously got to be kidding me. :rolleyes: :D

Jesus how long ago was this.

Since this thread started alot has changed. I actually owned an 01 cobra for 1 1/2 years. It was a good car but sucks for straight line performance.

As it turns out the 03 cobra damn sure didnt own the base model vettes at the 1/4 mile drag strip. Not in stock form and not in modded form either.

I know this is an old thread, but a few simple mods to the 03 Cobra's and they are a wicked fast street car, there's just no bones about it.

Not trying to argue, just bringing up my point of view and experience at the track.

E

The 03 cobra is an awesome car period. I am not disputing that.

I just think that people are a little too quick to say it will own LS1 powered corvettes and camaro's. If I remember right someone was even trying to say it would own the Z06 vette :rolleyes:

Ford did strike gold with the 03 cobra by gaining back some respect on the drag strip.

Ever since the introduction of the LS1 camaros have been significantly faster than stangs in stock form.

Ford did good with the 03 cobra but I think they did great with the Mach1. A solid axle and 3.55 gears from the factory not to mention every bit as much HP as an LS1.

The only reason I got rid of my cobra is cause I want to have an 11 second fox body stang.

I see an 06 cobra in my future.:D

I paid 35k for my 03 Cobra and for less than 3k in mods I have blown away several z06s on the freeway. There are KB Cobras out there that have no problem with z06's. They no longer make camaros or trans-ams. As a matter of fact, I traded in my 01 WS6 for an 03 Cobra.

I am sure your modded 03 cobra is very fast. I was speaking in terms of stock vs. stock

When you start throwing mods at two different cars there is no base line to make a good comparison.

In the end it is really run watcha brung. And I guess if you bring an 03 cobra your chances are pretty good.;)

Dude...You gotta be kidding me. I've seen Stock 03 Cobra's whoop up on Standard Vettes.

The Lightly modded ones make the Vettes look silly. What kind of drap strip do you go to????

Yeah, the LS-1 is a god send..thats why there are alot of them with Bent push rods, Wiped Cam lobes, and dead clutches.

Stock vs stock it is a drivers race.

As far as modded goes from what I have "seen" the 03 cobras dont fare too well head to head.

I know people with nothing more than a cam and bolt ons and exhaust running 11.50's in LS1's.

The fastest 03 cobra I have seen only ran an 12.30 and he was pretty damn modded. The problem is everyone is scared of breaking half shafts so no slicks.

You need to go to svtperformance.com. Stock 03 Cobras run mid 12's. Lightly modded cobras run mid 11's and KB Cobras run in the 10's.

Maybe I should have mentioned that I am at 4000ft thats why the times sound off.

The air here is awful. an 03 cobra has to have a few mods to hit mid 12's here.

A stock LS1 only runs a mid 13 except for the occasional freak my fiend with an 03 cobra hit a 13.3 stock in his 03 cobra wich would have been like a 12.80 at sea level.

I used to get on svtperformance.com when I had my cobra but they were less then impressed with my best ET at the time of 13.83. They were telling me I cant drive not understanding that 4000ft of altitude kills HP.

I know what the 03 cobras can do I am just stating what i have personally seen.

Jeeze my cobra only ran 14.0 stock at sea level!

Yeah, that's the best I could do with the 97 cobra vert I had... 03 is a different horse. I thought the 99s did better than that though.

I just went to a mustang drag day at LACR in Southern CAlifornia and i was more impressed with the Mach 1s than the Cobras. It is a very slow track and well over 3,000 feet so the times are way off. The 03 cobras with the KB where well into the 11s and the stock 03 cobras where low 13s and even one ran 14.5 I fiqured the driver sucked. When all the Mach 1s where in the high 13s low 14s all day long. There was even one Mach 1 (430s, DRs and some exhuast mods was it) in the low 13s as fast as the stock cobras.

I ran 14.0+ more often then not. I only dipped into the 13's a couple of times.

I pulled a 2.07 60ft on my 13.83 run normally I got 2.20's