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DYNO RESULTS !!!! :)
Well I took my car into be dynoed today and I am very please with the results. It was on a Mustang dyno, so I dont know how exactly that plays into things.
I ran the car on 87 OCTANE just like I do on the street. Also I have RAM AIR which isn't working on a dyno. First run, hot off the free way was 292.6@5500 RWHP !! And 323.1@3750 RWTQ! He said my car was running rich and we went down to less fuel pressure. We only adjusted the timing from 15 to 16, and he said 16 is perfect fo this car and we never went any higher. All said and done came out with 332.1 RWHP! @5500rpm And 351 RWTQ @3750 RPM! The guy was pretty impressed for a low compression motor with Performer intake and E-303 cam. With a better cam and higher revving intake Im sure I could get more power cuz it peaked at only 5500! He said figure 18-20% loss for the manual trans so taking the low side of that. 18% thats 405 horsepower at the crank! and 428 ft/lb of torque ! The torque curve is pretty flat. With 275 lb of torque at 1900 rpm and holding above 300 from 2700 to 5250. I'm really exciting, and I can't believe how much power this made!! Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406-TFS Heads, E-303 Cam, Edelbrock Intake, and more. Added Eibach drag launch springs and 70/30's w/ 50/50's. 0-110MPH In car view (963k) All Throttle through 3 gears! (497k) <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/lskymanl/burnout.mpg" TARGET=_b |
Now get that thing to a track and give us a 12 second run! 332rwhp thats great!!
you have a good combo that work great together. ------------------ 93-LX: 5 Speed, Flow's with H-Pipe, 3.73's Sub's and K&N. |
Awesome ! Now you just need to get that hp to the ground and your looking at low 12's with 110+ mph trap speeds!!
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Way to go Skyman!!! Nice numbers...
So is your car all dailed in now? How does it feel now that it has been straightened out? How has the suspension affected launching ------------------ '86 GT. Gears & Flows |
WOW! Great numbers Sky (Uh-Oh *bead of sweat appears*) Thats really impressive how just a little tuning can improve (gulp) your numbers so much!
Cant wait for the 24th! (*wipes bead off* ...better make sure my bottle is full+warm before racing him!) http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif |
Sweet #'s Sky, Now all you have to do is make it HOOK!
------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, 355's K&N, off road pipes, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors |
SWEET!!!! Get some slicks, and meet me at a track!!! That's nice to hear, 332 at the wheels. Very nice!! Congrats on a good set-up.
------------------ The Black Mamba 11.2@124 94 Cobra- MAC cold air fender kit, Motorsport underdrive pulley's, MAC 21/2" off-road H pipe, SVO mufflers, 3.73 gears, E-303 cam, 13.417@101.335mph |
Thanks guys. I gotta order a pair of slicks and rims that will fit. I sold my ET streets as they dont fit right. So hopefully we will see 110+ !!
Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, E-303, edelbrock intake,70MM TB, 73mm MAF, off road H, 2 1/4" exhaust, and 4.10's. 332RWHP@5500 351RWTQ@3750 Runs on 87 Octane! |
Man I bet you are glad you never came up to race me! http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif Cause I still had more hp with my old setup! http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif
Glad you finally got it tuned,, so you can put an end to the problems you have been having. Hopefully my dyno run this Saturday will have the same effect. That is, if the car is runnign well enough to go on the dyno. WTG! http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif ------------------ 1994 Mustang Cobra 308ci, Vortech S-trim 11#, ported GT-40 heads, E-303 cam, FMS 1 5/8 headers, BBK Offroad H-pipe, 2-chamber flows, and several other goodies. Rebel Racing. Home of Bay Area Mustangs |
badaaaaaaasss
lol isnt that about 50rwhp MORE than you were expecting? hehe.. always better to play down the ride and let the numbers do the talking ; ] thats sweet, *sigh* i think imma have to buy a 'stang b/c i dunno how daily driveable the 'maro is gonna be when im done =P Killer numbers tho! Phil Jerico Performance |
I don't know what to say about these numbers?!?!
First, 330+RWHP on a mustang dyno with your relatively mild combo is almost unbelievable?!?! BTW, a mustang dyno takes into account real world driving conditions such as wind drag, type of road, tire resistance, etc. So, your numbers would actually be HIGHER on a "non-mustang" dyno. Second, you picked up 30RWHP with a dyno tune?!?! I have always believed that a dyno tune was the perfect finishing touch to getting the most out of a combo. I guess this helps prove that. I'm anxious to hear about your new 1/4 mile times. I would almost expect a 110mph trap speed (or very, very close to it) with your nubmers. Way to go! ------------------ Jeff Kane 1990 LX Mustang ex-5.0 Coupe No engine. No transmission. Prepping car for a "big" big-block. http://hometown.aol.com/red514lx/ |
Well guys thanks a ton. I am shocked as anyone else. Everyone on corral is telling me I'm a BSer and that these numbers are impossible. I think I'm going to have to scan the dyno sheets to prove it to these guys. They a much more hostile crowd than here.
I should see 110+ at the track. Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, E-303, edelbrock intake,70MM TB, 73mm MAF, off road H, 2 1/4" exhaust, and 4.10's. 332RWHP@5500 351RWTQ@3750 Runs on 87 Octane! |
I saw your post on corral.net and I too noticed all of the hostility towards your hp claims. To be quite honest, the numbers (especially the post-tuneup 320+RWHP on a mustang dyno) seems high. I can buy the 290RWHP, though.
Despite this, however, I think everyone should keep their mouths shut and wait till you get some good mph numbers in the 1/4 mile. Only then I feel is it truly fair to critique the dyno numbers. ------------------ Jeff Kane 1990 LX Mustang ex-5.0 Coupe No engine. No transmission. Prepping car for a "big" big-block. http://hometown.aol.com/red514lx/ |
I agree but those guys are just plain jerks it seems like. I am being as nice as possible about it all but they jsut wont buy it. DO you guys think the dyno could be off? I'm starting to wonder now. Well we'll find out on the 24th at the track.
http://www.corral.net/Forums/Forum1/HTML/061545.html Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, E-303, edelbrock intake,70MM TB, 73mm MAF, off road H, 2 1/4" exhaust, and 4.10's. 332RWHP@5500 351RWTQ@3750 Runs on 87 Octane! |
Man those guys are brutial.....
------------------ '86 GT. Gears & Flows |
Typical reaction for that group over there. they just don't want to beleive that someone can put together a great running engine without a stroker or running a custom cam , Those are good number sky, don't let them get you down and start doubting them at all.
------------------ 93-LX: 5 Speed, Flow's with H-Pipe, 3.73's Sub's and K&N. |
i know what the problem is skyman.......you can't read very well, and the numbers actually read 232 RWHP, and 251 RWTQ....
No need to thank me for helping you out man! Have a good one. ------------------ '86 GT. Gears & Flows |
Children... children.. calm down now.
Those corral bastages... theyre jackals arent they. Jeez and i thought us f-body guys ate our young... Ignore em sky, see what the car runs, enjoy it, and to hell with those ppl. If the dyno was off... well its not like it was your fault. Post times tho.. im kinna curious if it'll run 110+ Phil Jerico Performance |
Well I don't really agree that his dyno numbers seem high. I new from the start that he had at least 314rwhp...or was capable of it. You have to understand that his motor is extremely unusual... it would take 22° timing and NOT ping... any other motor would detonate like an Atom bomb.
My buddy will receive more HP than that out of his 302 with slightly ported AFR 165 heads, custom cam (.560 intake lift .565 exhaust lift), Weiland Stealth intake, and a 750 carb. He should easily make 350rwhp with just a N/A 302. Thats about 50hp less than my blown 302! ------------------ 1994 Mustang Cobra 308ci, Vortech S-trim 11#, ported GT-40 heads, E-303 cam, FMS 1 5/8 headers, BBK Offroad H-pipe, 2-chamber flows, and several other goodies. Rebel Racing. Home of Bay Area Mustangs |
wow i really don't know what to say.
351 RWTQ @3750 RPM! is like.. the highest tq figure i have ever seen for a motor like this. seems almost unbelievable to me. but i am obviously not calling you a liar. look at exgmguys car. he is running ported heads, same cam as you i think, not sure what else. he makes 270rwhp tuned with similar compression. granted he probably makes closer to 300 now, where is the 30hp coming from? btw if you put your motor on an engine dyno i would not expect it to dyno any higher than 375-385hp. (of course you could do engine dyno tricks and probably pick it up) the drivetrain loss cannot be reliably predicted using a percentage. given the same rpm window it is a fixed number. i've seen some built 302s dynoed, and these cars were putting up 340-350rwhp on a dynojet and less torque than that with much higher compression (one with pistons and rods, worked trickflows and close to 11:1 makes over 350rwhp now but i haven't seen it in person.) if you took some good ported trick flows or some 165cc afrs with a little work w/ 10.5:1 and a larger cam i would expect 330ish rwhp with a 5spd stock rear and reasonable gears. and this motor would definitely make more rwhp than tq, peaking higher. definitely makes me curious. if this dyno is telling the truth i think your dream will finally come true after what, atleast a year? 110mph trap speeds, lol http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/wink.gif |
Yes, It has been over a year now hasn't it.. Well we will see! I'm having some doubts myself too, but anyway you look at it I did pick up some hp. So come march 24th it will all show up.
Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, E-303, edelbrock intake,70MM TB, 73mm MAF, off road H, 2 1/4" exhaust, and 4.10's. 332RWHP@5500 351RWTQ@3750 Runs on 87 Octane! |
Sky, I have been gone for a while so I missed this. I had to dig it up. Congrats on those numbers. That is nutty. I would keep those TFS heads unported unless you added a power adder. I think the lower compression, relatively small cam, etc.. don't jive well when you port heads that already flow like crazy.
I have been tuning fuel pressure for the last few days with the "seat of the pants" dyno and going from 40 psi to about 35 at WOT feels much better. Also my car runs fine now when cold. It used to stall if I did not give it gas. I guess we'll see some track results now! Once again, congrats! |
so, how'd the track go?
guess you can tell why I'm not a member at the corral ;-) |
12.55 http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif
------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, E-303, edelbrock intake,70MM TB, 73mm MAF, off road H, headers and 3chamber flows. 12.55@107mph Runs on 87 Octane and gets 24mpg! |
Way to go SKY!! You've wanted 12's for the longest time and through being persistent,you got them!
Ya,I saw your post over at the Corral also,talk about a bunch of crap in the way they acted towards you.. ------------------ Paxton Blown 87GT |
I'm running more than 16* with my AFR's.. you can run more initial timing with Alum. heads.. I was running 14*, tweaked the timing to who knows where.. 19* or so... and picked up 10RWHP and 10RWTQ, with no detonation and air temp at 87*.. I would think your fuel pressure is way to low also... oh yeah, I run 89 octane gas in mine.. in the winter at least and I have a little more compression due to 58cc heads ;-)
------------------ 84 convt,'95 302,AFR's, performer 3.55's, underdrives stock shorties stock cam, 1.7's 14.06@100.21, 255RWHP on a hot day 265 on the mph/weight chart |
Congrats Skyler. I just got finished reading the posts on the Corral, all 4 pages worth. Some of those guys are real d!ckheads. They don't believe jack unless it's smack in their face. I think they were jealous that you were probably putting out more hp than they were with less mods.
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Nice, Skyman.
A 12.5 with those hp ratings, I'm a bit surprised. And that is a lot of torque for that motor. You got yourself a nice car. If you could answer 2 questions for me though: 1) What tires were you running (I need some of those http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif) 2) What gears you got out back? 3.73s, 4.10s? (or have you still not checked yet?) *sigh* (...someday, I'll get to post some 11 second track times...Hopefully b4 this year is over http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif) ------------------------------- '79 Mustang Coup 4" Cowl Weld wheels (15x6;15x8) Stock 5.8L C4 w/ shift kit 1.5" MAC full length headers Holley 750 CFM Edelbrock intake 2.5" Off road H-pipe, 2-chamber Flowmasters 8.8" Rear end w/ 3.55 gears (Now that's more like it!!) http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif Front: 225/60/15 Rear: 255/60/15 Eagle GT II 14 x 4” K&N air filter (getting the Xtreme setup soon) http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/cool.gif "Red, thou art my companion. Hasten now your quickened metamorphosis to Green that I may conquer all who dare abide there beside me. May they be left thither behind burnt black." ---Fox Body [This message has been edited by Fox Body (edited 03-27-2001).] |
I ran 26x10 Mt Et Drags with 10psi. And 225/50/16s up front.
Sky ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, E-303, edelbrock intake,70MM TB, 73mm MAF, off road H, headers and 3chamber flows. 12.55@107mph Runs on 87 Octane and gets 24mpg! |
Hey Sky Awesome times and video, I guess those struts, shocks and springs are really working for you.
Looks like it's time for me to slap on my 28" x 10.5" ET DRAGS and see what it's got huh? How do your JAZ seats feel on the street driving? My completion daten will probably be aroud the 20th now the heads got pushed back, the cam should be here today! Again awesome times, proved some of those guys wrong http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif that had to feel good. ------------------ Check Out My Site 91GT,Holley SysteMAX II Kit-Heads 2.02" x 1.60" port matched to a 1262,Anderson N-61,24#,76mm C&L,Full MAC exhaust 1-5/8" Long tubes,2-1/2" O.R H-Pipe,2 1/2" cat back, No A/C or PS or emissions, 12" K&N Filter,RNH PERFORMANCE Ram Air,Ron Davis Radiator,Full Suspension,S&W 8pt "X" brace,JAZ seats,3:73's,Welds..etc,4:30's and 31 splines coming very soon! |
Congrats!! How does it feel to finally be in the 12's? Ive been reading the posts on the corral, and I just think they are jealous,....screw them! Start workin on the 11's!!
------------------ TW Heads, Edlebrock RPM, 75mm TB, 75mm MM, Anderson N-2 cam, stock block, underdrives, paxton regulator, bbk 155 intank, 30lbers, motorsport alum rad msd ignition and coil, 3.73 gear, Tremec 3550, Motorsport HD clutch, K&N, hooker shorties, pacesetter h-pipe, and dynomax cat back, mac upper and lower control arms, no front sway bar. I think that's it. GO ILLINI!!! Waiting for good weather for new times. |
Sky,
We haven't met, but I have a couple of questions hopefully you can help me with.. First my 94 302 had 307RWHP, and 335 ft lbs which was good for a 12.77@105 on 29 inch tall tires. This cements your info which is why I am asking YOU this question... I am getting about 18mpg, but I can't even think about 87 octane.. My timing is at 17, bottom end is stock and I'm running the TFS Track Heat heads with the Stage 1 cam... When you say low compression, I am wondering are you just referring to stock pistons with 61cc heads?? Thanks in advance, and great job with your ride... D4M |
Yeah Im saying I have stock pistons and box stock heads. I run 16degrees initial timing and Ive never had a ping out of the motor.
I dont know why... Sky ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, E-303, edelbrock intake,70MM TB, 73mm MAF, off road H, headers and 3chamber flows. 12.55@107mph Runs on 87 Octane and gets 24mpg! |
12.55 @ 107mph = some good driving! Is that time corrected for altitude?
With your dyno #s, I am very surprised you didn't hit 110mph. That said, for running box stock TFS heads, Edel. intake, and an E303, 107mph in the 1/4 means you are making GOOD power out of that relatively simple combo. When it's all said and done, I'm sure you'll pick up another 1-2mph. As for the dyno results....well, it's my opinion the numbers are too high. I truly believe that if your car made that kind of power on a mustang dyno, it would run 110mph easy. Nevertheless, that's not your fault. It's the shop's fault and you shouldn't feel bad about it. You car runs real good for the combo you have. ------------------ Jeff Kane 1990 LX Mustang ex-5.0 Coupe No engine. No transmission. Prepping car for a "big" big-block. http://hometown.aol.com/red514lx/ |
Drag4money... What other parts do you have on your combo. Give me a run down of everything you have. EVERYTHING. Also those heads you have are much larger than mine, and I think over kill for that cam that you have. Give me all the specs, and maybe we can figure it out.
Sky ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, E-303, edelbrock intake,70MM TB, 73mm MAF, off road H, headers and 3chamber flows. 12.55@107mph Runs on 87 Octane and gets 24mpg! |
Thanks for the replies, let me clarify a few things however...
My runs were on a dyno jet as far as the power goes not a mustang dyno. The ET info I gave was not adjusted, it is right off the time slip.. Here's the info,,, 94 GT 5.0 stock bottom end 74k 3.73's TFS Track Heat heads 61cc volume 170cc intake runners 66cc exhaust TFS Stage one cam 499/510 275/279 duration straight up 1.6 rollers TFS track heat upper and lower intake mac 1 5/8 shrties mac H mac 2 1/2 3 chamber cat back FMS 24lb injectors BBK 255lph intank paxton FPR FMS RPM extender 70 MM BBK T/body Pro-m 75 MM mass air underdrives 6AL/coil, stock dist. Megabyte Jr's Tires were 29/11.50 which I thought were to tall but i borrowed em....The short was 1.72 which I think a shorter tire woulda helped. D4M |
Just for comparison sake.(Give you another setup to compare it to)
91 full weight GT TFS heads/ track heat intake 30#inj/75mm MM 65mm TB Anderson N-2 cam--529/544...282/288 dur underdrive pulleys 1 5/8 hooker shorties off road h-pipe/dynomax cat back T-5 Z/3.73 gear MSD ignition No powershifting 1.929 short time 12.98@107.45 mph on street tires. Just my previous setup...could have ran better if I could shift!! Hope this adds some insight. ------------------ TW Heads, Edlebrock RPM, 75mm TB, 75mm MM, Anderson N-2 cam, stock block, underdrives, paxton regulator, bbk 155 intank, 30lbers, motorsport alum rad msd ignition and coil, 3.73 gear, Tremec 3550, Motorsport HD clutch, K&N, hooker shorties, pacesetter h-pipe, and dynomax cat back, mac upper and lower control arms, no front sway bar. I think that's it. GO ILLINI!!! Waiting for good weather for new times. |
300 at the wheels on a Dynojet is usually 270ish on a Mustang Dyno.
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That is great sky! Looks like a pretty nice set up you have there. You think you will switch out the cam and intake later on? Light Em Up!!! http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif
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thast what Im debating right now.. Im going to post a topic on it in windsor power.
Sky ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, E-303, edelbrock intake,70MM TB, 73mm MAF, off road H, headers and 3chamber flows. 12.55@107mph Runs on 87 Octane and gets 24mpg! |
Hey Skyman.. are you same guy that beat McRat at Carlsbad recently?
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Yep thats me! http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif
Sky ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, E-303, edelbrock intake,70MM TB, 73mm MAF, off road H, headers and 3chamber flows. 12.55@107mph Runs on 87 Octane and gets 24mpg! |
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