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Old 03-07-2002, 02:08 AM   #1
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Angry Even thought its a movie, its nothing to laugh at.

I have always been intersted in war Movies. The war movies that portray war for what it really is, not the John Wayne All men die a Hero war movie.

I went last weekend to see We Were Soliders. I thought it was an excellent movie. Very powerfull, both visually, and emotionally. During this movie, and Saving Private Ryan, something disturbed me. The audience. Cheering, and laughing. Majority of those being young military.

It distrubed me because, War is not something to cheer about. It may just be a harmless showing of patriotism, but I see it as more than that. How can one cheer at the death of another. To me, that shows a great disrespect for those who fought for this country, and died for this country, and other causes and countries.

Behind every death in war is a trail of family. Every death leaves tears shed by brothers, sisters, daughters, sons, mothers, fathers, and wives. How is that glorious? How is that just?

Just because they are the enemy does not mean that they are cruel and heartless souls. Does not mean they dont bleed. Does not mean they dont love. Does not mean that they dont have loved ones who will shed tears. Just because they are on an opposing side is not reason enough to hate them. They are the soliders of an opposing view point, be it religious, or political.

How is it funny seing a German solider, or a North Veitnamesse soldier being killed. I know it is a movie, but to me the two mentioned movies are more than that. Its a memorial made in honor for those who fought and died in those conflicts.

Maybe I feel this way because of when I was younger, I use to spend days with my Grandpa. We would go eat Donuts and Mr Donut with all of his friends. More than a few of them were Verterans. Be it World War 2, or Korean. Maybe because I have talked to some who had fought in Vietnam, and seen them cry when they try to talk about it. Maybe because I have heard first hand accounts of Napalm and the smell of burning flesh. Maybe because I have seen how it has affected these people.

Maybe because I have seen my Step dad shed tears, wince, and have sleepless nights after seeing Saving Private Ryan. He is retired Army, 82nd Airborne. He has been in several conflicts, and lost people under his lead.

I will end my rant now, even though it is incomplete. Oh, I thought the movie was excellent, just nothing to laugh at or take lightly.
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Old 03-07-2002, 11:16 AM   #2
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War is a terrible thing.

How ever terrible, sometimes it is absolutely neccessary. Such is the case with WWI and WWII.
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Old 03-07-2002, 11:37 AM   #3
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I have to agree with you Merc. Its unbeliveable how sick some people can be, just because its not our guys its by far not something to laugh about, I know that when Marty was in Saudi it was devestating, knowing so many were being killed just because of 1 man that is still out there doing whatever he pleases, and we did not go to war to set him free. Sorry but all of this really P***es me off. I don't even like watching war movies anymore because of the way people react to them. They need to put themselves in the other persons life. then they might see that none of it is funny, I remember my father was in WW2 and he would not speak of it, never understood why when I was a kid but I do now, ok I guess I am done ranting, just wanted to let you know I am right by your side on this one, Lee
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Old 03-07-2002, 11:54 AM   #4
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Mercury:

Fair observation and one that has been made many times before, and will be made again as we fight yet another war, this one against terrorism.

The dichotomy is this: When we fight a war, it's for a reason: defeating Nazi's, communists or now, terrorists. That's a noble and necessary action we have to take, or at least that the majority of Americans decided we have to take and that I agree with 100%.

Unfortunately, war, by definition, is the killing of people and destruction of property. The enemy must be defeated and that only happens by killing and destroying enough people and property that the enemy surrenders or at least, decides to stop fighting.

It's brutal and bloody and sickening and yet, so was the destruction of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

As a people, Americans have grown rather comfortable and our knee-jerk reaction to war tends to be horror and revulsion, as you've experienced. We seem to be shocked that people actually die in war!

Unfortunately, neither Nazi's or terrorists care much about our aversions to mass murder and will happily inflict death and destruction on us to weaken and ultimately destroy us, if they could.

Yes, war - real killing - is hard, sickening and often soul-deadening which is why we avoid wars through the military strength we possess, but with terrorism, that's changed; for now, anyway.

Killing another human being must be the hardest thing one could ever do, no matter the motivation - even self-preservation. I can understand your feelings of shock and revulsion at people cheering death and destruction in a movie theatre. That's simply honest patriotism and easy emotion. As you've seen first-hand, real veterans don't have quite the same ra-ra feelings about the wars they participated in.

War is seemingly inevitible and we all owe our many veterans a huge debt of gratitude for what the gave and sacrificed to keep us free.

Rather than simply be shocked at easy patriotism and cheering of make-believe soldiers in a movie, we should realize how hard it was for those real soldiers in Viet Nam to do what they did for a country that basically didn't support them and spat on them when they returned. Instead of being upset by movies about war, why not use the reminder of that '60's war to motivate all of us to thank a veteran for his service to his country, especially those who fought in Viet Nam and to support those who now fight in the mid-east, and will also come back with horrible memories and sometimes, not come back at all.

We may be revolted at acts of war and killing, but right now the war we're in was inflicted on us and we must respond or face more death and destruction of our own, for no reason other than that we 'offend' a group of misguided fanatics used by rogue nation's leaders to do the killing for them they fear to do themselves.

Yes, patriotism is easy and killing is hard but as an old communist (Leon Trotsky) once said;

"You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you"

So it seems to be, even now in 2002, and yes, people still die in war, tears are shed and families grieve on both sides. Life goes on and we must deal with it - even in war - as best we can and do what we think is right. Soldiers in wars are doing that - on both sides.

This is life and human nature and we all cope with it as best we can. It's part of maturity to see this harsh reality and come to grips with it. Some become pacifists, some soldiers and some, like me, support our soldiers and yes, I cheer our war victories but only because I believe we are doing the right thing against evil. The terrorists think likewise of us. So be it.

I hope you're able to reconcile the horrors of war with the necessity of it, as I have. It takes time. You'll get there.
This doesn't mean you'll like war, no you'll hate it as most reasonable people do, but you'll see the necessity and the need for patriotism (sometimes) and be able to understand why people can cheer when 'our side' wins the battle and hundreds of 'enemy' soliders lie dead and stinking on a sun-scorched field in Asia in the mid 1960's.

Thanks for your observations. You're a sensitive guy and your concerns are valid. Hope I've shed a tiny sliver of light on the issue for you.
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Old 03-07-2002, 12:22 PM   #5
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I've never doubted that people die in war. I wasnt really focusing on the current conflict over in afghanistan. Thats a diffrent situation.

I'm just rather disgusted with peoples lack of depth when it comes to considering other human biengs. Of course in war, people will die. Theres no hiding it, no denying it. But what I was meaning to say is just because someone is an enemy does not make them evil, or wrong, and just because someone is fighting for our cause does not make them good, holy, just, or right.

That seems to be common consesus around here. That the good guys are always good, and the bad guys are all evil.

Hope I dont stir up any flame wars...But anyone ever here what we Americans did during the Korean war? And during Vietnam? No-gunri (If I remember how to spell it right.)
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Good points, I feel the same way....
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Merc., you said you hope you dont stir up any flame wars. I hope and pray that anyone on this board will feel the same way and only show compassion and understanding for the purposes of war and the destruction it brings. I can't imagine how family memebers feel when a husband, wife, brother or sister is called to war. Know the possibilities of what may happen is the most uncomfortable feeling someone could encounter I think. I am not in the military, both of my grand fathers were and thet tell some of the greatest stories I have ever heard in my life. They also tell some of the most greusome and horrible stories I have heard as well.

My best friend in in the Navy. He leaves the country for at least 6 months at a time with noone but him and his other ship mates made aware of where they are going, when they will be home or any details of the voyage. He has a new wife and child at home, and I dont understand how they can possibly be o.k. with him leaving when he does. We go several months at a time without talking and it gets to me sometimes, but when you grow up with someone and they're suddenly not there, its hard.

Now to the purpose of war: I have the ut-most respect for anyone that fights in a war against another country, orginazation, or party. I will never agree with everyone involved but they are fighting for what they believe. It may not be what I believe, but it is the right thing to do in thier minds. I cannot condone war or hold an grudge against anyone that participates in war.

When people fight, it is for a reason. If called today to join the military, I would not hesitate. I have my reasons. They may not be the same reasons you have for joining or not joining but please don't look down upon me because I feel I am doing the right thing. War, unfortunatly is a necessity. The world is not perfect and everything cant be solved by World Summit meetings and treaties.

If this made anyone mad, I am sorry. I'm sure it doesnt make sense, but I simply say what I believe and am open to constructive criticism anytime.

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Old 03-07-2002, 02:29 PM   #8
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I have respect for those in the military, but, I have no respect for those who are as shallow and niave to feel the way I have previously posted. There are plenty of civilians out there that feel the same way.

I know war, due to human kinds nature, is a neccassity. There is no arguing that.

I would kill, if need be, but I would not cheer about it, nor would I celebrate about it.
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Thank you Merc. You said what I was tryin to say. Thanks.

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Merc:

Thanks for the clarification regarding your negative reaction to the movie audience cheering the Americans in the Viet Nam war movie, 'When We Were Soldiers'.

Let me attempt another approach here.

In war - battle - combat - a soldier must, must dehumanize the other side...the enemy. He becomes 'A Stinkin' Nazi', a 'Dirty Communist' or a 'Yellow Running Dog American' (to a Chinese Communist).

He has no name, no face, only a uniform or a nationality identification ;'Kraut', 'Gook', 'Towel-Head', etc.

Why do you suppose that is?
Yeah, you probably have it. It's hard to shoot and kill 'Hans Bauer', or 'Lan Won We' or even 'Mohammed'; husband, father, brother, son. So we don't attempt to humanize the enemy, we do the opposite; we de-humanize him and he becomes - not human - just a symbol ('Remember Pearl Harbor!') - and a target.

It's the only way to fight a war. This is why so many came home mentally screwed up by Viet Nam combat action compared to the returning WWII vets who mostly, did well and readjusted to civilian life quickly.

The WWII vets knew they were fighting tyranny and the death of their country if they failed. Hitler was real, as was the whole Axis army. It wasn't very difficult to dismiss a German or Japanese soldier as a 'thing' to be destroyed, as quickly as possible. The folks at home cheered every victory and welcomed the WWII vets with parades and open arms for 'making the world free'. They deserved the applause and still do. Viet Nam was quite different. A mostly political 'war', mishandled from the start by an inept President (Johnson). No parades, no cheers for the returning vets - then. A certain amount of national ambiguity about the war had to project a like feeling on the part of some of the U.S. troops in Viet Nam, making their job (killing the enemy) harder and leaving mental and emotional scars for a lifetime.

Now, we see that Viet Nam devolved into the hellhole we knew it would become, and we cheer the guys (even in a movie) who did the job back in the sixties in that jungle hell called Viet Nam. Better late than never and even if it's in a movie theatre.

Point being that when one feels threatened (as America has after September 11th, collectively, as a nation) it's not difficult to dehumanize the 'enemy' and cheer his death and destruction.

When the Muslim fanatics flew those planes into the Pentagon and the World Trade center towers, they felt the same, Merc. They didn't care or even consider the thousands of fathers, mothers and just plain human beings they were killing that day. Those dead Americans were nameless and faceless to Mohammad Atta and the others, and when they died and the towers fell, there was cheering on the streets of Baghdad, Iraq and other Moslem countries, as you know.

How can they do that? Easy. Hatred, on the Arabs part. Fear and anger on our part.
The cheering in Baghdad was for the 'infidel' Americans now dead and rightly so, by Arab reckoning. The cheering you hear in a theatre is the cheering of folks being rather mindlessly but emotionally patriotic. I understand it.

Most of us are looking at that war movie and thinking it's like a sports contest. Hooray for our 'team'! That's naive but somewhat understandable. It's been eleven years since Desert Storm, over thirty years since Viet Nam and a half century since Korea. 60 years since the last 'good' war, World War II. What do we really know or understand of war today?
Us vs Them. Good Guys vs Bad Guys. It's easy to cheer 'your' side and again, I believe your revulsion at the cheering of killing is understandable but a bit misplaced. As I said in my earlier message to you; as you know, real war vets don't cheer, they just remember and grieve for those they lost in combat.

Most of us won't serve in combat, and we can't all be NYC firemen so we identify with those who serve by cheering them on, from the sidelines, as it were. That's what you heard in that theatre, Merc. Identification with the (admittedly) make-believe soldiers and with the country they represented on the screen as they 'fought' the enemy, the North Viet Nam soldiers. We call it 'patriotism' and it's sincere and justified, in my opinion.

We could have used a bit more of it during the actual Viet Nam war, at least where the U.S. soldiers were concerned. They were treated like dirt by many (not all) on returning home and were really victims of the Washington politicians who couldn't decide whether they wanted to win or just leave Viet nam, so we lost 55,000 men and finally - finally - just left. No praise for politicians but the men who fought there deserve the cheers they got in the theatre, late as it is.

I do differ with you on one important point. I don't accept the rationale of 'moral equivalency' often offered on this subject. The acts of September 11th were overt acts of war with the intention of murdering Americans. It succeeded. The U.S. response is justified, in my opinion - as was our response in WWII.

Yes, the fanatic Arabs are 'bad guys' and Americans are 'good guys' as the Axis powers were 'bad guys' in WWII and the Allied powers the good guys, to put it simply. I don't buy the rationale that 'it's not that simple'. It is.

There is evil in the world. Fighting that evil is a good and necessary endeavor. The fact that a man or woman chooses evil and has a family does not absolve him or her of the consequences of evil acts. We can differ about what is 'evil' but I think September 11th makes the point, as did the mass murdering of the communist thugs who eventually took over Viet Nam after the U.S. abandoned it, or the concentration camps of Hitler's Germany, and so on.

The United States is not evil. People like bin Laden and Saddam Hussein are and they command tens of thousands of followers who are eager to do their will and kill Americans.
The fact that the followers of these men are fellow human beings with family does not change their responsibility for what they choose to do and the possible death from American bullets and bombs their actions may bring to them. Reaping and sowing.

Osama bin Laden has many wives and many sons and daughters. So what? Hitler had a cute dog. So what?
Evil, violent actions against an entire people will be met with counter-violence by those people in order to stop it. It's usually called 'war' and each 'side' usually wants to win the war and survive. That's not sick or demented, it's simply human nature.
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it may be human nature, but it is not right. never has, never will. i hope people who see this think twice....

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Cove - Andre Cox - Frederick John Cox Jr. - Firefighter James Raymond Coyle - Michelle Coyle-Eulau - Anne Martino Cramer - Christopher S. Cramer - Lt. Commander Eric Allen Cranford - Denise Crant - James L. Crawford Jr. - Robert James Crawford - Tara Creamer - Joanne Cregan - Lucia Crifasi - Firefighter John Crisci - Daniel Hal Crisman - Firefighter Dennis Cross - Helen Crossin-Kittle - Kevin R. Crotty - Thomas G. Crotty - John Crowe - Welles Remy Crowther - Robert L. Cruikshank - Francisco Cruz Sr. - John Robert Cruz - Kenneth John Cubas - Francisco C. Cubero - Thelma Cuccinello - Richard Joseph Cudina - Neil James Cudmore - Firefighter Thomas Patrick Cullen III - Joan McConnell Cullinan - Joyce Cummings - Brian Thomas Cummins - Michael J. Cunningham - Firefighter Robert Curatolo - Laurence Curia - Paul Dario Curioli - Patrick Currivan - Beverly Curry - Sgt. Michael Curtin - Patricia Cushing - Gavin Cushny - Police Officer John D'Allara - Vincent D'Amadeo - Jack L. D'Ambrosi Jr. - Mary D'Antonio - Firefighter Lt. Edward Alexander D'Atri - Firefighter Michael D'Auria - Michael J. D'Esposito - Manuel Da Mota - Caleb Arron Dack - Carlos S. DaCosta - Jason Dahl - Brian P. Dale - Thomas A. Damaskinos - Jeannine Marie Damiani-Jones - Patrick W. Danahy - Police Officer Vincent G. Danz - Dwight Donald Darcy - Elizabeth Ann Darling - Annette Andrea Dataram - Lawrence Davidson - Michael Allen Davidson - Firefighter Scott Matthew Davidson - Niurka Davila - Ada M. Davis - Clinton Davis Sr. - Wayne Terrial Davis - Anthony Richard Dawson - Calvin Dawson - Firefighter Edward James Day - Ana Gloria Pocasangre de Barrera - Jayceryll M. de Chavez - Emerita (Emy) De La Pena - Azucena de la Torre - William T. Dean - Robert J. DeAngelis Jr. - Firefighter Thomas P. Deangelis - Dorothy Alma DeAraujo - Tara Debek - James Daniel Debeuneure - Anna Debin - James V. DeBlase - Paul DeCola - Capt. Gerald Francis Deconto - Simon Dedvukaj - Jason DeFazio - David A. Defeo - Jennifer DeJesus - Monique E. DeJesus - Nereida DeJesus - Manuel Del Valle Jr. - Donald A. Delapenha - Vito Joseph Deleo - Danielle Delie - Joseph A. Della Pietra - Palmina Delli Gatti - Colleen Ann Deloughery - Joseph Deluca - Anthony Demas - Firefighter Martin DeMeo - Francis X. Deming - Carol K. Demitz - Kevin Dennis - Thomas F. Dennis - Jean C. DePalma - Jose Nicholas Depena - Robert Deraney - Michael DeRienzo - Firefighter David Paul DeRubbio - Jemal Legesse DeSantis - Christian D. DeSimone - Edward DeSimone III - Firefighter Lt. Andrew Desperito - Cindy Ann Deuel - Jerry DeVito - Robert P. Devitt Jr. - Firefighter Dennis Lawrence Devlin - Firefighter Gerard Dewan - Michael L. DiAgostino - Lourdes Galletti Diaz - Matthew Diaz - Nancy Diaz - Obdulio Ruiz Diaz - Michael Diaz-Piedra III - Judith Berquis Diaz-Sierra - Patricia F. DiChiaro - Rodney Dickens - Lt. Col. Jerry Don Dickerson Jr. - Joseph D. Dickey Jr. - Lawrence Patrick Dickinson - Michael D. Diehl - John DiFato - Vincent F. DiFazio - Carl DiFranco - Donald J. DiFranco - Alexandra Costanza Digna - Eddie Dillard - Debra Ann DiMartino - David DiMeglio - Stephen P. Dimino - William J. Dimmling - Christopher Dincuff - Jeffrey M. Dingle - Anthony DiOnisio Jr. - Firefighter George DiPasquale - Joseph DiPilato - Douglas Frank DiStefano - Donald Americo DiTullio - Ramzi A. Doany - Johnnie Doctor Jr. - John J. Doherty - Melissa C. Doi - Brendan Dolan - Capt. Robert Edward Dolan - Neil Dollard - James Domanico - Alberto Dominguez - Firefighter Lt. Kevin Donnelly - Jacqueline Donovan - Cmdr. William Howard Donovan Jr. - Stephen Dorf - Thomas Dowd - Mary Yolanda Dowling - Firefighter Ray M. Downey - Frank Joseph Doyle - Joseph M. Doyle - Randy Drake - Patrick Joseph Driscoll - Police Officer Stephen Patrick Driscoll - Charles Droz - Mirna A. Duarte - Luke A Dudek - Christopher Michael Duffy - Firefighter Gerard Dufy - Michael Joseph Duffy - Thomas W. Duffy - Antoinette Duger - Sareve Dukat - Cmdr. Patrick S. Dunn - Christopher Joseph Dunne - Richard A. Dunstan - Patrick Thomas Dwyer - Joseph Anthony Eacobacci - John Bruce Eagleson - Edward Thomas Earhart - Robert D. Eaton - Dean P. Eberling - Margaret Ruth Echtermann - Paul Robert Eckna - Constantine (Gus) Economos - Barbara G. Edwards - Dennis Michael Edwards - Michael Hardy Edwards - Christine Egan - Lisa Egan - Firefighter Capt. Martin Egan Jr. - Michael Egan - Samantha Egan - Carol Eggert - Lisa Caren Weinstein Ehrlich - John Ernst (Jack) Eichler - Eric Adam Eisenberg - Daphne F. Elder - Firefighter Michael J. Elferis - Valerie Silver Elis - Albert Alfry William Elmarry - Lt. Cmdr. Robert Randolph Elseth - Edgar H. Emery Jr. - Doris Suk-Yuen Eng - Ulf Ramm Ericson - Erwin L. Erker - William J. Erwin - Fanny M. Espinoza - Brigette Ann Esposito - Firefighter Francis Esposito - Firefighter Lt. Michael Esposito - William Esposito - Ruben Esquilin Jr. - Sadie Ette - Barbara G. Etzold - Eric Brian Evans - Firefighter Robert Evans - Meredith Emily June Ewart - Catherine K. Fagan - Patricia M. Fagan - Keith G. Fairben - Charles S. Falkenberg - Dana Falkenberg - Zoe Falkenberg - Jamie Lynn Fallon - William Fallon - William F. Fallon Jr. - Anthony J. Fallone Jr. - Dolores B. Fanelli - Robert Fangman - Firefighter John Joseph Fanning - Kathleen (Kit) Faragher - Firefighter Capt. Thomas Farino - Nancy Carole Farley - Paige Farley-Hackel - Elizabeth Ann (Betty) Farmer - Douglas Farnum - John G. Farrell - John W. Farrell - Firefighter Terrence Patrick Farrell - Firefighter Capt. Joseph Farrelly - Thomas P. Farrelly - Syed Abdul Fatha - Christopher Faughnan - Wendy R. Faulkner - Shannon M. Fava - Bernard D. Favuzza - Police Officer Robert Fazio Jr. - Ronald C. Fazio - Firefighter William Feehan - Francis J. (Frank) Feely - Garth E. Feeney - Sean B. Fegan - Firefighter Lee S. Fehling - Peter Feidelberg - Firefighter Alan D. Feinberg - Rosa M. Feliciano - Edward P. Felt - Edward T. Fergus Jr. - George Ferguson - James Joe Ferguson - Henry Fernandez - Judy H. Fernandez - Elisa Giselle Ferraina - Anne Marie Sallerin Ferreira - Robert John Ferris - David Francis Ferrugio - Louis V. Fersini Jr. - Mike Ferugio - Bradley James Fetchet - Jennifer Louise Fialko - Kristen Fiedel - Amelia V. Fields - Samuel Fields - Alexander Milan Filipov - Michael Bradley Finnegann - Timothy J. Finnerty - Firefighter Michael Curtis Fiore - Stephen J. Fiorelli - Paul M. Fiori - John Fiorito - Firefighter Lt. John R. Fischer - Andrew Fisher - Bennet Lawson Fisher - Gerald P. Fisher - John Roger Fisher - Thomas J. Fisher - Lucy Fishman - Ryan D. Fitzgerald - Thomas Fitzpatrick - Richard P. Fitzsimons - Salvatore A. Fiumefreddo - Darlene Flagg - Wilson Flagg - (Donovan) Christina Flannery - Eileen Flecha - Firefighter Andre G. Fletcher - Carl Flickinger - Matthew Michael Flocco - Firefighter John Joseph Florio - Joseph W. Flounders - Carol Flyzik - David Fodor - Firefighter Lt. Michael N. Fodor - Steven Mark Fogel - Firefighter Thomas Foley - Jane C. Folger - Firefighter David Fontana - Chih Min (Dennis) Foo - Del Rose Forbes-Cheatham - Godwin Forde - Donald A. Foreman - Christopher Hugh Forsythe - Claudia Alicia Martinez Foster - Noel J. Foster - Sandra N. Foster - Ana Fosteris - Firefighter Robert J. Foti - Jeffrey L. Fox - Virginia Fox - Pauline Francis - Virgin (Lucy) Francis - Gary J. Frank - Morton Frank - Peter Christopher Frank - Colleen Laura Fraser - Richard K. Fraser - Kevin Joseph Frawley - Clyde Frazier Jr. - Lillian I. Frederick - Firefighter Andrew Fredericks - Jamitha Freemen - Brett O. Freiman - Firefighter Lt. Peter L. Freund - Arlene E. Fried - Alan Wayne Friedlander - Andrew K. Friedman - Paul Friedman - Gregg J. Froehner - Lisa Frost - Peter Christian Fry - Clement Fumando - Steven Elliot Furman - Paul James Furmato - Carleton D.B. Fyfe - Fredric Gabler - Richard P. Gabriel Sr. - Richard S. Gabrielle - James Andrew Gadiel - Pamela Gaff - Ervin Vincent Gailliard - Deanna L. Galante - Grace Galante - Anthony Edward Gallagher - Daniel James Gallagher - John Patrick Gallagher - Cono E. Gallo - Vincenzo Gallucci - Thomas Edward Galvin - Giovanna (Genni) Gambale - Firefighter Thomas Gambino Jr. - Giann F. Gamboa - Ronald Gamboa - Firefighter Peter J. Ganci Jr. - Ladkat K. Ganesh - Claude Michael Gann - Firefighter Lt. Charles William Garbarini - Andrew Garcia - David Garcia - Jorge Luis Morron Garcia - Juan Garcia - Marlyn C. Garcia - Christopher Gardner - Douglas B. Gardner - Harvey J. Gardner III - Jeffrey B. Gardner - Firefighter Thomas Gardner - William Arthur Gardner - Francesco Garfi - Roco Gargano - James M. Gartenberg - Firefighter Matthew David Garvey - Firefighter Bruce Gary - Boyd A. Gatton - Donald Richard Gavagan Jr. - Peter Alan Gay - Terence D. Gazzini - Paul Hamilton Geier - Julie M. Geis - Peter Gelinas - Steven Paul Geller - Howard G. Geling Jr. - Peter Victor Genco - Steven Gregory Genovese - Alayne F. Gentul - Linda M. George - Firefighter Edward F. Geraghty - Suzanne Geraty - Ralph Gerhardt - Robert J. Gerlich - Firefighter Denis Germain - Marina R. Gertsberg - Susan M. Getzendanner - Capt. Lawrence Daniel Getzfred - James Gerard Geyer - Cotz Ghee - Joseph M. Giaccone - Firefighter Lt. Vincent Francis Giammona - Debra L. Gibbon - Firefighter James Giberson - Brenda C. Gibson - Craig Neil Gibson - Firefighter Ronnie Gies - Laura A. Giglio - Andrew Clive Gilbert - Timothy Paul Gilbert - Paul Stuart Gilbey - Firefighter Paul John Gill - Mark Y Gilles - Evan H. Gillette - Ronald Gilligan - Laura Gilly - Firefighter Lt. John F. Ginley - Donna Marie Giordano - Firefighter Jeffrey Giordano - Firefighter John Giordano - Steven A. Giorgetti - Martin Giovinazzo - Kum-Kum Girolamo - Salvatore Gitto - Cynthia Giugliano - Mon Gjonbalaj - Dianne Gladstone - Firefighter Keith Glascoe - Thomas I. Glasser - Edmund Glazer - Harry Glenn - Barry H. Glick - Jeremy Glick - Steven Lawrence Glick - John T. Gnazzo - William (Bill) Robert Godshalk - Michael Gogliormella - Brian Fredric Goldberg - Jeffrey Grant Goldflam - Michelle Herman Goldstein - Monica Goldstein - Steven Goldstein - Andrew H. Golkin - Dennis J. Gomes - Enrique Antonio Gomez - Jose Bienvenido Gomez - Manuel Gomez Jr. - Jenine Gonzalez - Mauricio Gonzalez - Rosa J. Gonzalez - Lynn Catherine Goodchild - Calvin J. Gooding - Harry Goody - Kiran Reddy Gopu - Catherine Carmen Gorayeb - Lisa Reinhart Fenn Gordenstein - Kerene Gordon - Sebastian Gorki - Kieran Gorman - Thomas E. Gorman - Michael Edward Gould - Douglas A. Gowell - John Grabowski - Christopher Michael Grady - Edwin John Graf III - David M. Graifman - Gilbert Granados - Lauren Grandcolas - Winston A. Grant - Christopher Stewart Gray - Ian J. Gray - Firefighter James Michael Gray - Linda Mair Grayling - John Michael Grazioso - Timothy Grazioso - Andrew Peter Charles Curry Green - Derrick Arthur Green - Wade Brian Green - Wanda Anita Green - Ellen Myra Greenberg - Donald F. Greene - Gayle R. Greene - James Arthur Greenleaf Jr. - Eileen Marsha Greenstein - Elizabeth (Lisa) Martin Gregg - Denise Gregory - Donald H. Gregory - Florence M. Gregory - Pedro Grehan - John M. Griffin - Tawanna Griffin - Joan D. Griffith - Warren Grifka - Ramon Grijalvo - David Grimner - The Rev. Francis E. Grogan - Linda Gronlund - Kenneth Grouzalis - Firefighter Joseph Grzelak - Matthew J. Grzymalski - Robert Joseph Gschaar - Liming Gu - Richard Jerry Guadagno - Firefighter Jose Guadalupe - Yan Z. (Cindy) Guan - Firefighter Geoffrey E. Guja - Firefighter Lt. Joseph Gullickson - Babita Guman - Douglas G. Gurian - Janet H. Gustafson - Philip T. Guza - Barbara Guzzardo - Peter Guylavary - Gary Robert Haag - Andrea Lyn Haberman - Barbara M. Habib - Philip Haentzler - Nizam A. Hafiz - Karen Hagerty - Steven Hagis - Mary Lou Hague - Firefighter David Halderman Jr. - Maile Rachel Hale - Diane M. Hale-McKinzy - Richard Hall - Stanley Hall - Vaswald George Hall - Robert John Halligan - Firefighter Lt. Vincent Halloran - Carolyn B. Halmon - James D. Halvorson - Felicia Hamilton - Firefighter Robert Hamilton - Carl Max Hammond Jr. - Frederic Kim Han - Christopher James Hanley - Firefighter Sean Hanley - Valerie Joan Hanna - Firefighter Thomas Hannafin - Kevin James Hannaford - Michael L. Hannan - Christine Lee Hanson - Peter Hanson - Vassilios G. Haramis - James A. Haran - Gerald F. Hardacre - Jeffrey P. Hardy - Timothy John Hargrave - Frances Haros - Firefighter Lt. Harvey L. Harrell - Firefighter Lt. Stephen Gary Harrell - Aisha Harris - Stewart D. Harris - John Patrick Hart - Eric Samadikan Hartono - John Clinton Hartz - Emeric J. Harvey - Peter Hashem - Firefighter Capt. Thomas Theodore Haskell Jr. - Firefighter Timothy Haskell - Joseph John Hasson III - Leonard William Halton Jr. - Firefighter Capt. Terence S. Hatton - Firefighter Michael H. Haub - Timothy Aaron Haviland - Donald G. Havlish Jr. - Nobuhiro Hayatsu - James E. Hayden - Philip Hayes - Robert Jay Hayes - William Ward Haynes - Scott Hazelcorn - Firefighter Lt. Michael K. Healey - Robert Bernstein Heber - Charles Francis Xavier Heeran - Firefighter John Heffernan - Michele Heidenberger - Sheila Hein - Howard Joseph Heller Jr. - JoAnn L. Heltibridle - Mark F. Hemschoot - Firefighter Ronnie Lee Henderson - Janet Hendricks - Brian Hennessey - Edward (Ted) R. Hennessy Jr. - Michelle M. Henrique - Firefighter Joseph P. Henry - Firefighter William Henry - John Henwood - Robert Allan Hepburn - Mary (Molly) Herencia - Lindsay Coates Herkness III - Claribel Hernandez - Norberto Hernandez - Gary Herold - Jeffrey A. Hersch - Firefighter Thomas Hetzel - Firefighter Lt. Timothy Higgins - Robert D. Higley II - Todd Russell Hill - Clara Victorine Hinds - Neal Hinds - Mark D. Hindy - Katsuyuki Hirai - Heather Malia Ho - Tara Yvette Hobbs - Thomas A. Hobbs - James L. Hobin - Robert Wayne Hobson III - DaJuan Hodges - Ronald George Hoerner - Patrick Aloysius Hoey - John A. Hofer - Frederick J. Hoffman - Joseph Hoffman - Marcia Hoffman - Michele L. Hoffman - Stephen G. Hoffman - Judith Florence Hofmiller - Maj. Wallace Cole Hogan Jr. - Thomas Warren Hohlweck Jr. - Firefighter Jonathan R. Hohmann - Cora Hidalgo Holland - John Holland - Joseph Francis Holland III - Jimmie Ira Holley - Elizabeth Holmes - Firefighter Thomas P. Holohan Jr. - Herbert W. Homer - LeRoy Wilton Homer Jr. - James P. Hopper - Montgomery McCullough Hord - Michael Horn - Matthew D. Horning - Robert L. Horohoe Jr. - Michael R. Horrocks - Aaron Horwitz - Charles J. Houston - Uhuru G. Houston - Angela Houtz - George Howard - Brady K. Howell - Michael C. Howell - Steven L. Howell - Jennifer L. Howley - Milagros Hromada - Marian Hrycak - Kris R. Hughes - Melissa Harrington Hughes - Paul R. Hughes - Robert T. "Bobby" Huges Jr. - Thomas F. Hughes - Timothy Robert Hughes - Susan Huie - Mychal Lamar Hulse - John Nicholas Humber Jr. - Kathleen (Casey) Hunt - William C. Hunt - Firefighter Joseph Hunter - Peggie Hurt - Robert Hussa - Lt. Col. Stephen Neil Hyland Jr. - Robert J. Hymel - Firefighter Capt. Walter Hynes - Joseph Ianelli - Firefighter Jonathan Lee Ielpi - Michael Patrick Iken - Daniel lkanayev - Firefighter Capt. Frederick Ill Jr. - Abraham Nethanel Ilowitz - Anthony P. Infante Jr. - Louis s. Inghilterra - Christopher N. Ingrassia - Paul Innella - Stephanie V. Irby - Douglas Irgang - Kristin A. Irvine-Ryan - Todd A. Isaac - Erik Hans Isbrandtsen - William Iselepis Jr. - Waleed Iskandar - Aram Iskenderian Jr. - John Iskyan - Aleksandr Valeryerich Ivantsov - Sgt. Maj. Lacey B. Ivory - Virginia Jablonski - Bryan Jack - Brooke Alexandra Jackman - Aaron Jacobs - Ariel Louis Jacobs - Jason Kyle Jacobs - Michael Grady Jacobs - Steven A. Jacobson - Steven D. Jacoby - Ricknauth Jaggernauth - Jake Jagoda - Yudh V.S. Jain - Maria Jakubiak - Robert Adrien Jalbert - Gricelda E. James - Mark Jardin - Amy N. Jarret - Francois Jean-Pierre - Paul E. Jeffers - John Charles Jenkins - Joseph Jenkins Jr. - Alan K. Jensen - Prem N. Jerath - Farah Jeudy - Hweidar Jian - Eliezer Jimenez Jr. - Luis Jimenez Jr. - Nicholas John - Lt. Col. Dennis M. Johnson - LaShawana Johnson - Scott M. Johnson - Firefighter William Johnston - Allison Horstmann Jones - Arthur J. Jones III - Brian L. Jones - Charles E. Jones - Christopher D. Jones - Donald T. Jones - Donald W. Jones - Judith Jones - Linda Jones - Mary S. Jones - Robert Thomas Jordan - Ingeborg Joseph - Firefighter Karl Henri Joseph - Stephen Joseph - Jane Eileen Josiah - Firefighter Lt. Anthony Jovic - Firefighter Angel Luis Juarbe Jr. - Karen Susan Juday - Ann Judge - Firefighter the Rev. Mychal Judge - Paul W. Jurgens - Thomas Edward Jurgens - Shari Kandell - Howard Lee Kane - Jennifer Lynn Kane - Firefighter Vincent D. Kane - Joon Koo Kang - Sheldon R. Kanter - Deborah H. Kaplan - Robin Kaplan - Alvin Peter Kappelmann Jr. - Charles Karczewski - William A. Karnes - Douglas G. Karpiloff - Firefighter Charles L. Kasper - Andrew Kates - John Katsimatides - Sgt. Robert Kaulfers - Don Jerome Kauth Jr. - Edward T. Keane - Richard M. Keane - Lisa Kearney-Griffin - Karol Ann Keasler - Barbara Keating - Firefighter Paul H. Keating - Leo Russell Keene III - Brenda Kegler - Chandler Keller - Peter Rodney Kellerman - Joseph P. Kellett - Frederick H. Kelley - James Joseph Kelley - Joseph A. Kelly - Maurice Patrick Kelly - Firefighter Richard John Kelly Jr. - Thomas Michael Kelly - Firefighter Thomas Richard Kelly - Firefighter Thomas W. Kelly - Timothy C. Kelly - William Hill Kelly Jr. - Robert C. (Bob) Kennedy - Firefighter Thomas J. Kennedy - Yvonne Kennedy - John Keohane - Ralph Kershaw - Firefighter Lt. Ronald T. Kerwin - Howard L. Kestenbaum - Douglas D. Ketcham - Ruth E. Ketler - Boris Khalif - Norma Khan - Sarah Khan - Taimour Firaz Khann - Rajesh Khandelwal - SeiLai Khoo - Satoshi Kikuchihara - Andrew Jay-Hoon Kimm - Lawrence Don Kim - Sue Kim-Hanson - Mary Jo Kimelman - Heinrich Kimmig - Karen A. Kincaid - Amy R. King - Andrew Marshall King - Lucille T. King - Lisa M. King-Johnson - Brian Kinney - Chris Michael Kirby - Howard (Barry) Kirschbaum - Glenn Davis Kirwin - Richard J. Klares - Peter A. Klein - Alan D. Kleinberg - Karen J. Klitzmann - Police Officer Ronald Philip Kloepfer - Andrew Knox - Thomas Patrick Knox - Yevgeny Knyazev - Rebecca Lee Koborie - Deborah Kobus - Gary Edward Koecheler - Frank J. Koestner - Ryan Kohart - Vanessa Lynn Kolpak - Irina Kolpakova - Abdoulaye Kone - Dorota Kopiczko - Firefighter Scott Kopytko - Bojan Kostic - Danielle Kousoulis - David Kovalcin - John J. Kren - Firefighter William Krukowski - Lyudmila Ksido - Toshiya Kuge - Shekhar Kumar - Firefighter Kenneth Kumpel - Frederick Kuo Jr. - Patricia Kuras - Nauka Kushitani - Firefighter Thomas Kuveikis - Victor Kwarkye - Ku Fai Kwok - Angela R. Kyte - Kathryn L. LaBorie - Amarnauth Lachhman - Andrew LaCorte - James P. Ladley - Joseph A. Lafalce - Jeanette LaFond-Menichino - Firefighter David LaForge - Michael Patrick LaForte - Neil K. Lai - Vincent A. Laieta - Firefighter William David Lake - Franco Lalama - Chow Kwan Lam - Lt. Michael Scott Lamana - Stephen LaMantia - Amy Hope Lamonsoff - Firefighter Robert T. Lane - Brendan M. Lang - Rosanne P. Lang - Venessa Langer - Mary Lou Langley - Firefighter Peter J. Langone - Police Officer Thomas Langone - Michele B. Lanza - Ruth Sheila Lapin - Carol Ann LaPlante - Ingeborg Astrid Desiree Lariby - Robin Larkey - Judy Larocque - Christopher Randall Larrabee - Hamidou S. Larry - John Adam Larson - N. Janis Lasden - Gary E. Lasko - Nicholas C. Lassman - Paul Laszczynski - Jeffrey Latouche - Charles Laurencin - Stephen James Lauria - Maria Lavache - Denis F. Lavelle - Jeannine M. LaVerde - Anna A. Laverty - Steven Lawn - Robert A. Lawrence - Nathaniel Lawson - David W. Laychak - Eugene Lazar - Police Officer James Leahy - Firefighter Lt. Joseph Gerard Leavey - Firefighter Neil Leavy - Robert George LeBlanc - Leon Lebor - Kenneth Charles Ledee - Alan J. Lederman - Elena Ledesma - Alexis Leduc - Daniel John Lee - David S. Lee - Dong Lee - Gary H. Lee - Hyun-joon (Paul) Lee - Juanita Lee - Kathryn Blair Lee - Linda C. Lee - Lorraine Lee - Myung-woo Lee - Richard Y.C. Lee - Stuart (Soo-Jin) Lee - Yang Der Lee - Stephen Lefkowitz - Adriana Legro - Edward J. Lehman - Eric Andrew Lehrfeld - David Ralph Leistman - David P. LeMagne - Joseph A. Lenihan - John J. Lennon Jr. - John Robinson Lenoir - Jorge Luis Leon - Matthew Gerard Leonard - Michael Lepore - Charles Antoine Lesperance - Jeffrey Earle LeVeen - John D. Levi - Alisha Caren Levin - Neil D. Levin - Robert Levine - Robert M. Levine - Shai Levinhar - Daniel C. Lewinn - Adam J. Lewis - Jennifer Lewis - Kenneth Lewis - Margaret Susan Lewis - Ye Wei Liang - Orasri Liangthanasarn - Firefighter Daniel F. Libretti - Ralph M. Licciardi - Edward Lichtschein - Samantha Lightbourn-Allen - Steven B. Lillianthal - Firefighter Carlos R. Lillo - Craig Damian Lilore - Arnold A. Lim - Darya Lin - Weirong Lin - Thomas V. Linehan Jr. - Firefighter Robert Thomas Linnane - Alan Linton - Diane Theresa Lipari - Lorraine Lisi - Paul Lisson - Vincent Litto - Ming-Hao Liu - Joseph Livera - Nancy Liz - Harold Lizcano - Martinn Lizzul - George A. Llanes - Elizabeth Claire Logler - Catherine Lisa Loquidice - Jerome Robert Lohez - Michael W. Lomax - Maj. Steve Long - Laura M. Longing - George Lopez - Luis Lopez - Maclovio Lopez Jr. - Manuel L. Lopez - Joseph Lostrangio - Chet Louie - Stuart Seid Louis - Firefighter Joseph Lovero - Sara Low - Michael W. Lowe - Garry Lozier - John Peter Lozowsky - Charles Peter Lucania - Edward (Ted) H. Luckett II - Mark G. Ludvigsen - Lee Charles Ludwig - Sean Thomas Lugano - Daniel Lugo - Marie Lukas - William Lum Jr. - Michael P. Lunden - Christopher Lunder - Anthony Luparello - Gary Lutnick - Linda Luzzicone - Alexander Lygin - CeeCee Lyles - Farrell Peter Lynch - James Francis Lynch - Louise A. Lynch - Michael Lynch - Richard Dennis Lynch Jr. - Robert H. Lynch - Sean Lynch - Sean Patrick Lynch - Terrance M. Lynch - Firefighter Michael J. Lyons - Monica Lyons - Nehamon Lyons IV - Firefighter Patrick Lyons - Robert Francis Mace - Marianne MacFarlane - Jan Maciejewski - Susan A. MacKay - Catherine Fairfax MacRea - Richard B. Madden - Simon Maddison - Noell Maerz - Jeannieann Maffeo - Jay Robert Magazine - Brian Magee - Charles Wilson Magee - Joseph Maggitti - Ronald E. Magnuson - Daniel L. Maher - Thomas Anthony Mahon - Firefighter William Mahoney - Joseph Maio - Abdu Malahi - Debora Maldonado - Myrna T. Maldonado-Agosto - Alfred R. Maler - Gregory James Malone - Edward Francis (Teddy) Maloney III - Firefighter Joseph E. Maloney - Gene E. Maloy - Christian Maltby - Francisco Miguel (Frank) Mancini - Joseph Mangano- Sara Elizabeth Manley - Debra M. Mannetta - Marion Victoria (Vickie) Manning - Terence J. Manning - James Maounis - Alfred Gilles Padre Joseph Marchand - Firefighter Joseph Marchbanks Jr. - Hilda Marcin - Peter Edward Mardikian - Edward Joseph Mardovich - Firefighter Lt. Charles Joseph Margiotta - Louis Neil Mariani - Firefighter Kenneth Joseph Marino - Lester Vincent Marino - Vita Marino - Kevin D. Marlo - Jose J. Marrero - Firefighter John Marshall - Shelleyy A. Marshall - James Martello - Michael A. Marti - Karen A. Martin - Firefighter Lt. Peter Martin - Teresa Martin - William J. Martin Jr. - Brian E. Martineau - Betsy Martinez - Edward J. Martinez - Jose Martinez - Robert Gabriel Martinez - Waleska Martinez Rivera - Lizie Martinez-Calderon - Firefighter Lt. Paul Richard Martini - Firefighter Joseph A. Mascali - Bernard Mascarenhas - Stephen F. Masi - Ada L. Mason - Nicholas G. Massa - Patricia A. Massari - Michael Massaroli - Philip W. Mastrandrea Jr. - Rudolph Mastrocinque - Joseph Mathai - Charles William Mathers - William A. Mathesen - Marcello Matricciano - Margaret Elaine Mattic - Lt. Col. Dean E. Mattson - Robert D. Mattson - Walter Matuza - Lt. Gen. Timothy J. Maude - Charles A. (Chuck) Mauro Jr. - Charles J. Mauro - Dorothy Mauro - Nancy T. Mauro - Robert J. Maxwell - Renee A. May - Tyrone May - Firefighter Keithroy Maynard - Robert J. Mayo - Kathy Nancy Mazza-Delosh - Edward Mazzella Jr. - Jennifer Mazzotta - Kaaria Mbaya - James J. McAlary Jr. - Patricia A. McAneney - Colin Richard McArthur - Firefighter John McAvoy - Kenneth M. McBrayer - Brendan McCabe - Michael J. McCabe - Justin McCarthy - Kevin M. McCarthy - Michael Desmond McCarthy - Robert Garvin McCarthy - Stanley McCaskill - Katie Marie McCloskey - Tara McCloud-Gray - Juliana Valentine McCourt - Ruth Magdaline McCourt - Charles Austin McCrann - Tonyell McDay - Matthew T. McDermott - Joseph P. McDonald - Police Officer Brian G. McDonnell - Michael McDonnell - John F. McDowell Jr. - Eamon J. McEneaney - John Thomas McErlean - Katherine (Katie) McGarry-Noack - Daniel F. McGinley - Mark McGinly - Firefighter Lt. William E. McGinn - Thomas H. McGinnis - Michael Gregory McGinty - Ann McGovern - Scott Martin McGovern - Firefighter William J. McGovern - Stanley S. McGowan - Francis Noel McGuinn - Thomas F. McGuinness Jr. - Patrick J. McGuire - Thomas McHale - Keith McHeffey - Anne M. McHugh - Dennis J. McHugh III - Firefighter Dennis P. McHugh - Michael Edward McHugh Jr. - Robert G. McIlvaine - Donald James McIntyre - Stephanie McKennan - Molly McKenzie - Barry J. McKeon - Darryl Leron McKinney - George Patrick McLaughlin Jr. - Robert C. McLaughlin Jr. - Gavin McMahon - Firefighter Robert Dismas McMahon - Edmund M. McNally - Daniel McNeal - Walter Arthur McNeil - Christine Sheila McNulty - Sean Peter McNulty - Firefighter Robert William McPadden - Firefighter Terence A. McShane - Firefighter Timothy Patrick McSweeney - Firefighter Martin E. McWilliams - Rocco A. Medaglia - Abigail Medina - Anna Medina - Deborah Medwig - Damian Meehan - William J. Meehan Jr. - Firefighter Raymond Meisenheimer - Manuel Emilio Mejia - Eskedar Melaku - Antonio Melendez - Mary Melendez - Christopher D. 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SRV1, could you PLEASE compress those pics. It makes it
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Well 'Merc', I guess you all know that I was in Beirut and lost some Marine friends there, then I went to the big kitty litter box-Iraq. I won't discuss anything, except a couple of funny moment's that happened.

I sometimes still wake up in a cold sweat with an ENEMY face looking at me. But I can say that after a while I felt sorry for the Iraqi soldiers, but I aint even going there so I'll just hush.

I try to forget - it doesn't always work. I dont hunt animals anymore, a sport I used to love as a teen.

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srv1:

War is bad. Got it. I think we all figured that out somewhere around first grade.

You clearly put some effort in making a visual point that, what...war kills people and causes misery? I think we all know that.

Although I can appreciate your revulsion for killing and war in general but frankly that's akin to being against poverty or racism. Who isn't? Obvious and also meaningless on the surface unless you're prepared to back it up in some way.

No one here ever claimed war is 'good' or 'right', but it is inevitable and September 11th proved that there is real evil in the world, the U.S. is not exempt from having death and destruction visited on us by those who hate us and we must be prepared to defend ourselves and strike back to rid ourselves of this danger from those who would destroy us.

That people cheer our war victories is perfectly normal; we're cheering defeat of those who would destroy us if they could. As the Arabs cheered the fall of the World Trade Center towers on September 11th, believing Americans deserved to perish as the 'infidels' we are seen to be by fanatic Arab Muslims.

In national armed conflicts adults are faced with the decision to either fight or at least support our soldiers laying their lives on the line, for us. Simply saying 'War is bad' doesn't cut it. If that support involves cheering our battlefield victories, so be it.

Unlike other countries, in America, one always has the option of being a pacifist and simply going around saying 'War is Bad'. Fine. Let those who choose that path do so - and then get out of the way of those fighting and dying to preserve the freedoms that allow the pacifist to choose that position.

In my opinion, I'm certain that most Americans could do just fine without another war of any scope in our lifetimes, but that isn't our option anymore, as it wasn't an option in WWII.

The Korean and Viet Nam conflicts could have been avoided by allowing communists to overrun those particular countries but the U.S. choose to attempt to aid both South Viet Nam and South Korea in a fight against communist aggression against it's neighbors, respectively in 1949-53 (Korea) and 1962-1975 (Viet Nam).

Korea was a stalemate (49 years and counting) and of course, Viet Nam was a debacle for the U.S., as we fought half-heartedly (as compared to say, our actions in Afghanistan) and there was thin political and public support for the 'war'. Viet Nam is now a hell-hole of a country, a police-state with more misery for it's inhabitants than the war probably brought, but we've learned our lesson and won't ever get into that kind of no-win situation again.

Looking back, we blew it big-time there and our servicemen were treated badly by anti-war 'hippies' who found a 'cause' in being against war (and the draft).
Now, 35 years later, Mel Gibson has made a movie that depicts one major Viet Nam battle and shows both sides, or tries to, anyway. Viewers now cheer the men (depicted in the movie) they might have booed back in the mid-1960's.
Now, we know better and cheer the soliders from that era who stood up and fought as best they could in a half-arsed military operation in a bleak place that no one wanted to be.

Yeah, war is bad. No argument, just some perspective beyond cliches and bumper-sticker slogans that I thought one or two folks might be interested in.
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srv1:

War is bad. Got it. I think we all figured that out somewhere around first grade.

You clearly put some effort in making a visual point that, what...war kills people and causes misery? I think we all know that.

well i guess you got A's in the first grade, good for you! too bad they didnt teach you how to read between the lines!
MR 5.0, alot of people on HEAR what happens in war and dont see it. you talk about the reality of war, but i show it! that is reality! im not trying to make anyone on this board sick to their stomaches of what i have shown. i want people to realize its more than "just a cheer" or "it is the only way at times".
CrazyHorse, i hope i didnt bring back your war memories. that wasnt my purpose at all. im sorry if i did.
well 5.0 you have your opinions. you stated history again. im not against any US soldier who wants to fight for his/her country, but i am not for it either. its too bad that you have to fight for your country to learn that life isnt expendable. someone has to protect our country, right? someone has to make sure we have and keep our freedom, right? what do we have to do to prove this as just? well we all have our own opnion on that. you already know mine.
As for everyone else, i wanted to open peoples eyes a little. i not saying i want to change anyones mind, but as long as i can put these images in the back of their mind, maybe some will think twice.
well this thread is going to go back and forth. i said my 2 cents. i got my point across to those who can read between the lines.
MR 5.0, you can say what you want to say, i dont care. the proof is in the pictures above. they say a picture says a thousand words, more like a thousand tears........

I appreciate all who took the time to look at these pics. Those who served in the past, thanks for reading this. Those who are serving now, i hope you never have to see pics like these in person. SRV1.....(a.k.a. James)

p.s. Tireburner, sorry, i couldnt resize them at the time.
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MR 5.0,..It's too bad that you have to fight for your country to learn that life isnt expendable.


That makes no sense.

someone has to protect our country, right? someone has to make sure we have and keep our freedom, right?

Correct.

what do we have to do to prove this as just?

If you have to ask that question - I can't help you. You're apparently confused and need to read some history and try to understand why America and our Constitutional Republic has stood for 225 years. It wasn't because we appeased our enemies or were afraid to fight when attacked.
A free people is a powerful weapon.

well we all have our own opnion on that. you already know mine..

I assume you would attempt to appease our enemy and apologize for our freedom and democratic government. Anything but fight for your freedom.

I covered some history in order to provide some perspective but alas, it seems to have been wasted. Too bad. When you get past a bumper-sticker mentality, you may grasp the point of the necessity of war and fighting for something beyond your own narrow interests. Maybe not.

O.K., we know where you stand. Thanks for the info.
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