Everyone Please read.
 

Tonight's top story on the news featured a tragic street race that left a 44y.o man dead. Apparently, a nissan 300zx was racing another car (who fled) when the Z struck a man riding his bike to work. The speed is estimated at 100 and the man was killed instantly. The amount of damage done to the car was incredible, even the sherrif being interviewed was teary eyed. Also, they showed the Z owner being taken away in police custody, and being charged with vehicular manslaughter. Guy'll probably spend the rest of his life in jail.

Also, the only funny part was when the cop described the other car they were looking for. He said, "We're looking for the driver of a Black Honda Civic. It has tinted windows, chrome rims, and a modified exhuast system." Then the cop said of the civic driver, "You're not a suspect, we just want to talk to you about what happened." Yeah right, this guy better hide out for a while. "Not a suspect," give me a break. This guy was participating in an ILLEGAL street race, in which a man was killed, then FLED THE SCENE. I'm sure the cops just want to talk...


Please, be careful out there guys. You can be the safest driver in the world, but all it takes is one stupid decision, and your life could be over. Thanks for reading.

My prayers are with the man that was killed on the bike. Poor guy.

Thats so sad, well heres another reason to "think B4 "you drive.

man that poor guy i guess that's why i quit street racing:eek: :eek:

Street Racing risks
 

Sad news and why I do little street racing and am very selective about where and when I do even that.

You can rev at me all day in your ricer, Camaro or whatever and you won't get a race unless I know the road, it's empty and there are no driveways, alleys or other places where someone could innocently pull out in front of us while we're doing 80, 90 or 100 mph. No thanks. I had a few 'close one's' and got smart before I got killed or ruined my life by killing someone else.

I still street race, but only when I feel comfortable doing it and that isn't often. It's risky and mostly just not worth it to 'show' some stranger you'll never see again that you can beat him.

This kind of tragic death - for nothing - once again proves the point. You do something like this - kill a guy on a bike - while street racing, which is legally indefensible - you're toast and you can kiss all your big life plans goodbye. Even if you get away, you'll have the heavy guilt on your shoulders and be looking over them for the rest of your life. No thanks. I'll race you at the track.

See, there's another reason why I don't go to these street races... I haven't been to one in over a year. My prayers go out to the dude on the bike.

Let me guess, he was a teenager? For the love of a small monkey why is everyone from my generation a irsponsible bastard?:mad: I'm I the ONLY one who thinks twice and actully LOOKS for possable dangers.:rolleyes:

I hear ya tireburner. I dont know what is wrong with the majority of uor generation. I have no clue where the whole rice movement and irresponsible driving came from. Luckily i did not follow in these footsteps nor did many of my friends.

I hope this rice thing is just a fad that will just fade away. I think what mainly pisses me off about the rice movement is the extreme lack of basic knowledge that these people have. Most of them are too ignorant to learn about cars too, they just think whatever that rice magazine says is true :mad: :mad:

Later,
Nick

I agree alot of these ricers are careless drivers and irrisponsible(sp?)LOL, we should be thankful that they don't drive real muscle cars. Think about that one for a minute.

Later, James

Re: Everyone Please read.
 

Very Tragic. But I wonder if they'll find the kid. I mean if some one asked me if I saw a black civic with tinted windows, chrome rims, and a modified exhuast system, I would have to say yes, about 4 of them in the last 10 minutes. They all drove like morons.

This guy won't spend the rest of his life in jail. What is the maximum sentence for manslaughter, 12 years? The problem is, I bet the dumb who was in the honda probably was way behind (getting his a** handed to him) and saw the whole thing happen and will go home and talk about how he beat a 300Z. He'll most likely not realize the impact he's had on many people's lives!.

But so is the ricer tradition....

Devils Advocate?
 

What road was this on? Highway? Side street? Speed limit there? Was there a bike path next to the road? What time of day was it? If it was night did the bike rider have headlights and a taillight? Did he have proper reflectors?

Or is the dead guy just one of a 100 morons I see a year biking down a road that has a 50mph speed limit, at night without proper lighting, with a bike path right next to it that he has decided to ignore? If that's the case, it could have easily been any of us doing 50mph down a dark street when a bike appears just about out of nowhere because the idiot isn't riding on the bike path that was built for his/her stupid ***.

It may just be me, but there are well over 20mi of specialized, paved bike trails within 10mi of my house and there are seemingly more and more idiots out there who have decided to ignore the bike trail right next to them and ride on a road with a gravel shoulder, at dusk or later, and you usually have to slow way down because you can't pass them with oncoming traffic in the other lane. Those bikers are just asking to get killed, and I don't really appreciate them being so damn stupid.

Mowing down bikers at 100 mph
 

Unit:

Point taken regarding stupid and careless bikers but these ricer guys were supposedly doing 100 mph, which is indefensible - on any road.

Blaming the biker for (possibly) being in the wrong place may be valid but the high speeds and the fact that they were racing cancels out any minor culpability on the biker's part.

In any case, the biker is quite dead, which makes any traffic infractions he may have been guilty of, invalid.

Vehicular homicide can be punishable by up to 20 years in my state and recent cases here (drunk driver crashed at 90 mph, killed three teenage passengers in his car) saw 10 years minimum sentence, no parole. Not fun.

That is so sad....my heart goes out to the biker, who has a right to ride his bike, where as the drivers have no right to drive on any road doing 100 unless its on a controlled track...Odie

The biker, dead or not, could be partly culpable for the accident. Street racing probably will skew the the fault towards the racers.

There was a recent article , I think in Chicago, which chronicled the citation of of a dead person who died in a one car accident. There were several citations against the corpse. the police said those were necessary in order to document things for future civil litigation.

Rev

thats sad
 

My prayers go with the family and friends of the dead biker. And no tireburner i am a responsible teenager... a rare type i think, all my ricer friends are dumbys, i have seen ricers race infront of cops:confused:. That is too bad.

mike

8 1/3 to 25, IIRC.

no it's just because you have a 4 banger & cant beat a turtle:rolleyes: , sorry josh couldnt resist,heheh:p

i say bring him to Texass. dont they have the death penalty there still? hope that SOB HANGS! NO EXCUSES for what that man done! hope he rots his butt off in a dark hole in prison:mad: :mad:

You've never streetraced? Could've happened to any of us.

srv1, here's the problem. We have no idea what the kid actually did.

Estimated speed = 100mph. What if he was doing 85mph on a 70mph road? No knowledge of road conditions, time of day, type of road, etc.

From the description it gives, I could guesstimate the scenerio. Major city (riding bike to work), dawn to daylight (going to work and a detailed description of the other car was given), on what was probably not a highway (not too many of those a non-psycho would use in a city). That would lead me to believe the speed limit was probably between 30-40mph.

In that case, not only should the 300ZX driver have seen the biker, but he shouldn't have been doing street racing.

On the other hand, if it was a road like Co Rd 121 near my house where there is a 55mph speed limit on a little used road with a 6" paved/3ft gravel shoulder, and this happened at night, I can't fault the racer. He might not have known the biker was there until he was right on top of him. The same would go for anybody doing the speed limit as well.

I'm reluctant to dish out punishment before I have a good idea what truely happened. Especially when I have street raced on empty major freeways to 100mph.

That makes me really think twice from now on before streetracing. I don't belive he should be given the death penality because like someone said it could of been any of us. There are to many unknown/unanswered questions that we don't know. If the person was doing the speed limit would they of still hit the person? Because more then likely the bike rider went infront the car appose to the car just vearing to the side of the road hitting the biker. Either way, there is no excuse to taking a man(or woman's) life but sometimes there are better explantions on why it happen then others.

§am.

Not that funny Marty:rolleyes:

I'm sorry Marty, I take back the above post. It's just that some topics bring out a serious Josh(who would have known).

Often I get generally PISSED at my generation. They often apear to be reckless, irresponsible, spoiled, pains in the ***.

They are mindless sheep who follow what ever is popular and mock the ones who don't conform. I don't conform(which I am very proud of). I drive a Mustang(Chevys are sooooo, much cheaper and faster:rolleyes:), I am the one noted for blasting anything from "Number One Stunna" to "The Joker" to "Wiskey in the Jar" to "Friends in Low Places", while leaving the parking lot or crusin around.

There are a few who hold out and actully just some common sense when thinking and not simply stating what everyone else has told them.

later
Sir Josh, burner of tires

take responsibility
 

define streetracing. i will respond when you answer the question.

Unit. i go by what Stoplight said is true. i base my reply off that, assuming he got his info from a reliable source. i trust he wouldnt put sentences together to make a story.

he was speeding and racing and a man got killed, what else do you need to know?

and another thing. this applies to ALL of the 50 states. just because a sign says "55" on that road, doesnt mean it is safe to drive "55" anywheres on that road. you got to use your best judgement. their has been many of times where i have drove on MANY roads that say "55" on a corner and when i approach them i have to slow down. needless to say it comes back to judgement.

as for streetracing it has been around for many years. this should help you out of what i am trying to say:info

*honk if your horn doesnt work*:confused:

Re: take responsibility
 

My definition of street racing is this: A phrase given to an activity for the purpose of aggressively prosecuting individuals with no basis on the actual crime. It's irrevelent what the car next to you is doing.

Your thoughts on the matter are oversimplified. I'm not saying the kid wasn't being stupid, or that he's not gonna have to answer for obviously being stupid. What I'm saying is since we don't know the exact scenerio (Stoplight Warrior's post didn't give specific details) how can you stand behind your position? Judgement is certainly called for, and so is waiting to see what the facts are found to be. Like I said before. ESTIMATED speed was 100mph. No specific time of day, type of road, action by the cyclist, or reason for the collision was given. We don't know if the cyclist came flying out of the ditch onto a major freeway, or what was going on. Your logic would apply the same to a person doing an estimated 75mph striking a drunk guy running out onto the freeway in an attempt to kill himself in the middle of the night. Street racing is a nothing. It's meaningless. What does it matter how the car next to you is driving, and since when did that become your responsibility to control other vechicles on the road? What matters is the kid was doing an ESTIMATED 100mph. Until I know the facts, making a cut and dry judgement call would be ridiculous.

I see both point here. Yes there are stupid bikers, but again, there are even more stupid drivers. I pick my races. If it a busy place, I race up to, sometimes 5-10mph over the speed limit, and slow done back to it. If it's a street I know that isn't busy, and I see nothing, I'll race up what I feel Comfortable in doing. If I'm on a highway, I'll go up to about 100mph, unless I'm losing, then it can change. But I always pick my race spots. I have seen too many times ricers racing in bad spots. And have seen too many times, Muscle cars lose traction in a street race, and almost hit other cars, or ppl. I know my car, and I know my streets.

Josh i noticed that people give me a hard time about not street racing. The way I see it is its my car thats gonna get impounde, my license thats gonna get taken and my insurance that is gonig to triple. In my opinion its not worth it juts to walk away from some ricer in a honda with a coffe can that thinks hes fast. I have nothing to prove in my car. I find that if I'm at the front of the line at a stop light on a weekend the car beside me will take off a lot of times. Why the hell would I race some punk kid in a grand am????? I don't mind if people street race but i my self personally don't take part.

JAMES