Ford VS Chevy........again?!?

[bigwhitecobra]

The First 5.0 badge? I thought 79, but I am a nutt case....so I have a 99% chance of being wrong.

what about the 1994+ Cobra's, aren't they Muscle Cars? I know they aren't street beasts, but they do have that awesome lowend punch(with a set of gears).

Here's a trivia question for you:
How many 1969 Ford Talledega's had 429ci engines?
What was the color of the First 'Stang off the line?

Answers tomorrow. Later.

[Unit 5302]

aiiinnnntttttt...

1979 is not the first year for the 5.0 badges on the Mustang.

Ah, jeez... that trivia question even makes my head hurt bigwhitecobra hehe

I've gotta guess. White, 500.

[Power]

Ok, to Units question.
What model year was the 5.0 badge first used on the Mustang?

I couldn't find any hard writing to back this up, but I'm going to go with 1983. The first year they re-introduced the convertible is also the first year they put 5.0 badges on the mustang. They also replaced the I6 with the V6.

Next to bigwhitecobra questions.

How many 1969 Ford Talledega's had 429ci engines?

I had a hard time finding this information. I found one thing that stated only 754 '69 Talledega's produced, but another that stated 859 429's were sold. So I can not answer for a fact how many were produced. I'll wait till tomorrow to see what you say.

What was the color of the First 'Stang off the line?

I'm going to have to guess on this one as well. I'll go with black.

You guys are starting to make me go crazy trying to research this stuff.

I guess its good for me to know though....although I have no idea why.

[Lizard King]

What was the color of the First 'Stang off the line?

I'm guessing Baby Blue.

[Unit 5302]

1983 is.... WRONG! LOL.

I knew this would be a hard *** question. Hehehe.

[Power]

I think you got me on that question Unit. I can't find anything anywhere, but I'm starting to wonder if they might have thrown the 5.0 badges on any of the Mustang II's in the mid-late 70's. I'll have to wait and here the answer.

[Unit 5302]

I was gonna wait for one more answer, but Power is probably digging through old photo albums right now, hehe.

1978 was the first year to feature the 5.0 badgeing.

They were on the 1978 King Cobra Mustang II. It was also labelled on the cowl hood.



I believe the 5.0 badge on the fender came out in 1979, on both the Mustang, and the Mercury Capri.

[jimberg]

VIN #1 was Whimbledon White and a convertible. VIN #2 was Caspian Blue and a hardtop. There's a dispute as to which one was the first that came off of the assembly line but history books will say Whimbledon White.



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351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible

[Power]

Yeah, I got to thinking about it and thought I had seen it on one of the old mustang II's. I didn't remember for sure and couldn't find anything on it. Oh well, you got me on that one.

[tireburner163]

a muscle car is a car with two doors and a engine that is way to f&ckin big. The best muscle cars, in my opinion, were produced from 1967 to 1972.

My favorite muscle cars in order

1: 1969 BOSS 429
2: 1970 Mach 1 (428, 4-speed, shaker)
3: 1970 Hemi Cuda vert
4: 1970 Chevelle SS 454
5: 1969 Road Runner with a hemi
6: Shelby AC Cobra with 427
7: 1967 GTO
8: 1973 Trans-Am
9: 1971 Boss 351
10: 1978 Trans-Am (can you say Smokey and the Bandit)

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1990 Dodge Dynasty with 275,000 miles. Mods:chiped paint, CD player. Sucks but it was free. Praying for a stang.
The "Guetto Glider"


If it ain't broke, you ain't tryin hard enough

[95mustanggt]

If the 94 to 98 Mustangs aren't muscle cars then what are they?

My 95 has a V8, sounds like a muscle car, has some pretty good punch (compared to "normal" cars), Handles well, but not compared to an import!....

What kind of car do I drive???

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Driving: 1998 F-150
Far way in Edmonton==>
1995 Mustang GT

[dinomite]

The American Heritage dictionary says:

muscle car
n.

A high-performance automobile, often with flashy, sporty styling.

And the 5.0 badge, that was cheap. But i'm pretty sure that it was first on the capri in '79, and on the mustang in 82.

[Steve2000SS]

My first thought was "god.. another chevy vs ford thread!!" but im glad to see everyone is being intelligent ~~ My first car was a 64.5 Mustang (ended up being the 176th mustang ever made).. I bought if from a little old couple in the desert. They bought it off the showroom floor, still had the window sticker and paperwork and had never ever sat in the back seat!.. I think i paid about $2200 back in 1980.. god I wish i still had that car ~~ the only prob was it was a 6cyl.. but it moved pretty good and was easy to work on..

Shouldnt we be more like "domestic vs import" or "RWD vs FWD"... not that the friendly ford vs chevy thing isnt fun

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2000 M6 SS Camaro.. mostly stock go mods.. lots of show stuff..
320rwhp & 333rwtq corrected SAE

[bigwhitecobra]

Ok, congrats to whomever guessed Wimbelton White. It was sold to an airline pilot in Canada. He owned the car for 15 years+/-, Ford keep hounding him, and offering him newer 'Stangs as an even trade. I think he took a 1969 Boss 429, but not too sure.

Ah, and the beloved Talledega. For general sale to the public, NO 1969 Talledegas had the 429 option. Ford put the 429 in the Mustang, because NASCAR rules stated that in order to run the engine it had to be in a production vehicle, though they never speciffied which vehicle. Rumors were planted outside of Ford that there were 300-400 of them produced, but is just rumor.
In 1970, the 429 was put between the shock towers of the Torino and Cyclone. Which is what gives the rumor about the '69's so much strenth.
There were, however, 25 or 50 1969 Talledega's produced for NASCAR teams(of which several have reached the general public). So the answer would be, technically, None. Later.

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[jimberg]

Trick questions. Sheesh.

As far as the first fox body to have the 5.0 badges I was having a heck of a time trying to find a picture of a 79. It had the non-HO 5.0. Is the first fox body year 1982 when the first GT's came out?

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351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible

[bigwhitecobra]

The '79 Indy 500 pace car was a GT, as far as my memory is concerned.

[jimberg]

The part that the GTs came out in 82 is not in question in my mind. The Mustang GT registry only includes 82 and up. Neither is the fact that the 79 came in non-HO 5.0. I'm just not sure if 79's actually had a 5.0 on the fender. The Indy pace car definitely didn't have a 5.0 on the fender.

I think the '79+ that had the 302 all had 302 badges. '79 was the last year of the 2.8L V6 (i'm pretty sure, i know that at least the first year fox 'stang had that "powerhouse") in the mustang and i've seen '79 stangs with actual 2.8L badges just like the 5.0's (why they decided to badge 2.8's....i don't know) and in '80 and '81 Mustangs switched to the boat anchor 255 Windsor V8's so there weren't any 5.0 emblems.
- My definition of muscle car would have to be exactly as mentioned, a two door, V8 powered vehicle meant for spirited/high performance driving...not that anyone cares -

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'84 Mustang 5.0 LX
My car

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[Old Guy with 87 GT]

cool thread ,like the trivia......but i couldnt help wanting to defend the lil 2.8 moter they didnt come from the factory with much horses but they were neet lil moters ....when comparing the 2.8 to other v 6s they are a superior v6s.i know a guy with one in a cobra II that only has basic mods to it(4 barrel intake,cam,mallory ignition,headders,and i think higher compression pistons.)that is dynoed in at 240 horse power.i have a 78 with one in it and when compared with my 87 302 it dosnt have near as much get to it.but if i modified it it would have some go to it and it would have the go at a far less weight.i have thought about putting one of those v6s in a fox with a turbo or a blower set up so i could have a fox that handled real good .i love the fox and i love the power of the 302 but a fox with a 302 doesnt have the cornering ability as the smaller v6 and 4 banger sport cars out there today.when you consider your options for a buildable v6 .the 2.8 is a great moter for it .its light,it has big porting,factory gear driven cam,adjustable shaft mounted rockers ,hugh main caps ,plenty of boring room ,and it can be interchangable with newer ford drivetrains.....not to mention its way lighter than the 302.......well i just figuered i'd put in my 2 cents........hay i got one what were the last mustangs to come without a computer controled engine managment system.

Old guy,
Thanks for the info...i really didn't know much about the 2.8L. I wasn't saying that it was a bad engine, just that ford sold a 2.3L, 2.8L, 3.3L, turbo 2.3L, and a 302, and deciding to selectively badge the 5.0L and 2.8L is kinda odd in my opinion. Stock those engines are pretty much dogs though with all the emissions slap ons, poor exhaust and induction and cam timing i think they made little over 100hp. Those engines from what i hear were german made, got decent mileage, and were long lasting, but just like most mid-late 70's engines, they were just dogs stock.

Does anyone have a detailed mustang history book with pictures to clarify when fox stangs first came with 5.0 emblems??? i looked in all mine and found nothing....man, now this is going to bother me until i find out

for your trivia: was it the '86 2.3L non-turbo? they had a carburetor i believe and i don't think any other engines had carburetors that year (all had EEC-IV with fuel injection except the 2.3L???)
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'84 Mustang 5.0 LX
My car

[This message has been edited by 84stangLX (edited 06-06-2001).]