Ford vs............Honda??
 

Ok, since the F-body's are going to the great big junkyard in the sky......who's our new competitor?

Wo are we going to line up against at the tracks? And don't say the 'Vette, there just aren't enough of them.

I guess it's up to Honda, Mitsubitchy, and the like. Isn't Dodge going to make us a honorable challenge? What happened to the GTO concept?

I was happy to get rid of the Camaro and Firechicken, but thinking about it, I think it may do more harm than good for us.

Later.

Your right man. Actually dodge is supposed to make an honorable challenger, The 2003 Challenger. All we know so far is it will be sleek, low, v8 rear drive, sedan. There aren't any performance numbers yet. Check out Motor Trend. Thats where I seen the latest news.
Brad

I think with the new t-birds out, it will be ford vs ford. Or with ppl like me New vs Old Ford

Those new Thunderchickens are extremely wimpy. They've reverted back to the orignal concept, a luxo barge that looks good. Which is one thing that cars does real good.

Why doesn't Dodge bring back the 440? Even the 340 would be a good start. Something.

While I'm on the subject, Ford needs to put the 5.4 in the Mustang before I have a conniption(sp?). Stop jerkin' us around and just do it!! And someone needs to offer a Vortech instead of a Roots blower from the dealer.

Ok, I'm done ranting for now. But...I'll be back.(In my very best Arnold voice)

I have never been an avid Chevrolet follower unless were talking 69 Camaro. How ever I have tried to follow what Dodge was doing new and I must say I would really like to see a new 2003 Challener with a Hemi 360. Hell add a roots type blower on it and you got yourself a car then.

I would also shiate my pants when Ford actullay decides to do a 5.4 in a stang. Hey add the roots blower of the Lightning, and where talking serious fun.
Brad

Whoooa there Nelly. As soon as GM stops production on the Fart-bodies (j/k), all of them ain't ganna just disappear. You still gonna have to worry about the '98-'03 (end date?). They'll soon die out too, in what, about 5, 10 years?

Actually, I think Ford is gonna start going for the Corvettes. Yes, the C5, C6, etc, will be our new competitor. :D And maybe the WRX's. Hopefully they'll bring the Skyline GT-R to America so I can buy one :D. (<<----what are you talking about???)

*listen to me yapping like I'm some automotive authority :rolleyes: *

no, didn't you hear, GM is going to the house of every Camaro/Firebird buyer, slapping them in the face for being retarted, reimbursing them because they bought a crappy product, and then taking the car back, so actually they will all disappear :D

well i was actually gonna say the same thing about the others not disappearing, but Fox Body already did and i wanted to say something anyway :cool:

I'm pretty sure that the Camaro will return in a few years, just not as an F-body. Look at The Thunderbird, it went away for a little bit, and now it's back. No big deal. Besides, I hope the Camaro returns as soon as possible. Without competition, what motivation does ford have to keep increasing the performance or quality of the Mustang?

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. Not that the other models were going to magically disappear just that what motivation will Ford have to improve the 'Stang?

You will be able to buy 02 F-Bodies for quite a while at least into 2002 and even up to 2003. But they are not just going to dissapear, lol. Your still going to have the competetion. Look at the fox bodies......And I don't think Ford is going to compete directly against the vette, especially the new C6.

Ha ha ha.

As far as the Mustang competing against the Corvette, most of that is wishful thinking and speculation on my part . But hey, Christmas 's a'comin' ... let's pretend.

Chev's just trying to make the Camro's rare, so that when it does come back out, it will out sell the mustangs,(ya right, that will ever happen).

Re: Ford vs............Honda??
 

:cool:

the rx7 will drop all of you mustang suckers
 

hey the mazda rx7 will put you out of competition, it is a hell of alot lighter, hell of lot faster, and it doesn't look like a box

yer gay

Wow good point Mustang Killer....it's too bad that Mazda hasn't made an RX7 for awhile now.....AND they're slower. And of course i bet you knew that Mazda is OWNED by ford motor company and in fact alot of mazda products (such as the tribute, B series trucks, among other things) are rebadged fords. Of course, us domestic (or Dumb-estic as ricers call us) owners are "StUpId yO, ImPoRtZZZZ RuLe, yO!!!!"
Go put some more stickers on your 17 second civic,

One of the Mustangs competitors may come from Ford themselves. Ford Motor Company is talking seriuosly about making the 2004 COugar a Mustang based car.

The dodge Challenger is supposed to be a 4 door pony car. I dont know how its going to compete with the stang sales wise.

Lack of competition doesnt neccassarily mean that the Mustang will become wimpy. Has the Corvette became "Wimpy". Even before the Viper came along, the Corvette never became "Wimpy".

Well it did in the mid to late 70s, but then so was every other car back then.

The reason why I said the t-birds could be a compition is that in 2004, Ford is thinking of making a smaller Mustang, to house the 3.4 v8. Now, are they going to do it, who know's

3.4 V8?????

mustang killer, we don't need your kind around here

go tell your stories about how your beloved RX7 is so fast to your rice buddies.

so you even have a car or are you just talking $hit for no reason?

oh yah, i don't care how fast a RX7 is- i'll race any of them, and yes chances are i will lose if the owner did much to it besides stickers and a fcking fart pipe- but the funny thing will be after he beats me and has to rebuild that $hitbox of a motor.

a good friend of mine (another stang guy) works at a pontiac service dept and everytime i go in there to talk to him theres always a RX7 or two getting a whole new motor after like 15,000 miles cause its such a piece of crap and loses it's compression

i can sense a flame war getting ready to start, so if you talk your $hit then you damn well better be ready to back it up you little dick

The RX7 falls on it's face at about 80k. Not to mention from 80-120 a stock 5.0 will own it.

Even a lightly modded 5.0 will show an RX7 it's taillights. I don't know where the impression came from that the RX7 is fast?? It's got a lot of horsepower, but a horrible powerband. Even more horrible than the S2000 in my opinion. The TT RX7 made a pathetic 217lb/ft of torque, and an unimpressive 255hp. While there is the potential of the factory turbo car, getting one into the 12's is far more difficult than a Supra, or 300ZX TT. The RX7 is a road race car, not a drag car. It also didn't sell.

Seems like the true test of that car was failed. The Mustang lives on.

mustang killer, is it dark outside? No? Well pull your frickin head out of your dumbass. I want to punch you in the forehead.

I've seen one of those Challengers in real life. At Mile High Nationals in Denver this past summer. It was AWESOME!! I was pretty sure it was a 2 door...maybe not though....

Dodge had a big display of some of their cars. A brand new Viper (instant hard-on), a new Power Wagon, the Challenger, and a Prowler.

Cool stuff....

:D You guys need more 'lines over there :D

RB26DETT 2568cc DOHC 24 valve EFI Straight 6 Twin Turbo 208kw @ 6800rpm 392nm @ 4400rpm and that's stock.

Too bad they've stopped production of GTR's so no chance of Nissan America bringing em in, maybe if they release an R35 GTR (not the crappy 4 door family sedan you guys got) they might bring em to america.

Till then enjoy your stangs, vipers n vettes, coz down here there's not many of em, wuld love to drive one.

For everyone speculating about the Skyline GTR, two things.

1. The g35 sedan is the the current Skyline sedan in Japan.
2. The g35 coupe (due in spring) will be basically a rebadged 350z.
3. Plans are in the werks at Nissan to put the 4.1 v8 out of the Q (and M) into a GTR couple with the possibility of F/I.

The GTO-
Coming over sometime after GM pulls its head out about holden, but its coming.

The Challenger-
Dodge makes a 353 hemi rated at 345bhp in the new Ram. This is the motor that was in the gray concept car and should be dropped into the 2003(4) challenger. Will this motor fit into a Stratus Coupe sized car? Time will tell.

Everything else.
The F-bodies will always be around, the vette will always have old guys driving them, and we will always have to deal with people thinking the mythical imports are fast.

I keep hearing Dodges new pony car refered to as the Challenger. Mopar to the best of my fairly extensive Mopar knowlege has no Callenger in the works. There is how ever going to be the Charger. Should be reborn for 04. The concept called for a 375 or 385 hp supercharged motor, rear-wheel drive, independant suspension, 6 speed standard. Now whether mopar has decided to stick with all this after the recent re-arrival of the 'Hemi' I don't know. What I think will happen is you will have the Hemi as a special option as you did in the 60's.

FWIW, when the new Dodge Viper hits showrooms later this year, it will break both real and psychological barriers, pumping out an amazing 500 horsepower, as well as 525 lbs.-ft. of torque. The Viper is the only domestic product to break the 500/500 barrier, although, the next generation Z06 may soon follow. If Cadillac gets authorization to put it's supercar prototype into production, the Cien will also join the list. It is currently powered by a 750hp V12.

On the foreign front, the new Audi RS6 is conservatively rated at 450hp, and the 2003 VW Phaeton will be here before you know it, with a 450hp W12 engine. Currently, the Japanese are sitting this high horsepower race out, though they've proven fast followers when a clear-and profitable-trend emerges.

Take care,
~Chris

there's always the aussie Holden GTS's n Monaro's :D but then they'd be imports... what do you guys think of those import drivers?

The upcoming DEW platform mustangs will be powered by the 4.6 liter. And does Ford even make a 3.4?:confused: The T-Bird currently houses a 3.9 liter. However the T-Bird could present a challenge, because there is talk of a supercharged bird.

Oh yes Virginia, there is a 3.4L.

It's a 60 degree mod DOHC V8 that Ford started putting in the Taurus SHO in 1996. 10:1 comp, 235hp @ 6100rpm, 230 ft.lbs. @ 4100rpm. Not bad for a 207ci engine.

Take care,
~Chris

Either way, they don't make it anymore, so they can't put it in the upcoming stangs. So there:D

Aussie cars don't come up to the states for a couple of reasons. First, there is soem emissions differences, but more important, the cars down there are too tough. Yes that's right, they don't give enough in the DOT crash tests to pass. If they did, we would bring your Falcon and Ranchero up both sweet cars, and the Holden would be here already.

Ian, thanks I foget it's the Charger, (Duke's of hazard) not Challenger (vanishing point). ;)

Next year's GTO is a Holden Monaro.

tireburner-
check this out... 3.4L SHO V8 info

:D

How's your DOT test work? So to pass it the car must crumble to a certain specification? I've always been intrigued by why it was so hard for Jap n Aussie cars to get into the US unless they're manufactured to US specs.

The sad thing is that the most powerful Aussie production car (a holden) is made in Australia and is sold in England, and that one is more powerful than the local version... and it costs less in England...

Wut do you mean too tough?

The thing that I found really hard to get used to when I lived in Australia was the fact that, at least in 1985, 99% of all passenger cars had 4 doors. Even the early 70's Holdens with a built V8, trick paint, cool rims, and 4 doors. :eek:

One of my roommates had a RS2000 Escort that wasn't anything to look at, but it got up and moved! It also had 4 doors.

I'll see if I can dig out some pics. It's a trip!

Take care,
~Chris

You mean passenger cars didn't have 4 doors over there?

Not many. At least not ones that anyone would hot-rod. Here's a couple pics I took of my pics from when I lived there, and a few of the cars...

Hey local guys, notice where the power booster is? Weird.

This was the very fast Escort one of my roommates owned.

one more pic...

i guess most of the cars they made here were more funtional as well as performance inclined, besides, most of the young uns settled for 2 door holden gemini's n stuff.

Lol nice pics, esp the one with the stubby (bottle of beer) on the stump.

....i coulda sworn that importing aussie cars would be odd, since youd be driving from the passenger side :D:D:p

When i was driving around in some parts of Europe I was trippen out thinkin every single car was goin to crash into me... always turned into oncoming traffic at intersections coz I'm so used to driving on the left of the road in a RHD.

It was EMU Bitter. LOL.

Take care,
~Chris

http://www.hsv.com.au/vy/showcars/showcar.asp check it out!

here's a list of some of the features...
Hand Built 427 CI engine based on the Corvette C5R Race Engine
Unique HRT Forged Pistons
CNC Head Design
Eight Individual Throttle Bodies
Carbon Fibre Intake Manifold
Carbon Fibre Ram Tubes
9.0 Litre - 4 Stage Dry Sump

Motec ADL Dash Logger
I assume Motec M8 Pro ECU (from above)
6 Speed Triple Synchro Box
V8 Supercar tailshaft
4.11:1 - 9" Torsen Magnesium Diff
Billet Aluminium 'A' Arms
Bump/Rebound Adjustable Suspension
Height Adjustable Suspension

Front - AP Racing 6 Piston Floating Calipers
Front - 362mm Slotted AP Racing Rotors
Rear - AP Racing 4 Piston Floating Calipers
Rear - 343mm Slotted AP Racing Rotors

Half Roll Cage
Sparco Pro 2000 Seats
Magnesium 18" Wheels
Carbon Fibre Bonnet



mmmm sexay... only AU$200,000 (about US$120,000)

Chris, what kind of car is that in your first pic?

It's a Holden. I believe it's a Holden Manaro, circa mid 70's.

Take care,
~Chris

Oh ok, is that an Australian - based car? Ive never heard of them before.

Yes. Holden is General Motors of Australia.

Take care,
~Chris