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Afford, don't those wrx's and eveloutions cost around 30k? I
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You see... well.. to go alittle deeper... I know alot of imports are actually made here and it puts Americans to work, which is good as alot of people are buying the imports anyhow but.. I'd rather the good ol' US of A be owned by Americans as opposed by a Jap company. I'm crazy like that.. Also, I'm not bustin' on your european cars either. They have some fine cars, the 500sl probably being one of my favorite cars but.. we buys what we likes because.. well.. we likes it ![]() Heck, my first two cars were rusted out old imports. That was before I could afford one made in the USA. So they do have thier niche.
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Maine
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![]() blake usually if you smoke the leader the rest will leave you alone thats all im saying, they taught us just to get a rise and to see if there fast enough yet to brag to there friends that they smoked a 5.0. but if you dont want to race them then dont, but you can almost bet that they go back to there friendsand say that this guy in the 5.0 is a chickensh*t, and that ricer probably couldnt beat my kids powerwheels with the battery half charged.
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Join Date: May 1997
Location: Wherever I need to be
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As for the curved track issue: yes, American musclecars were never really designed to be road racers and have always lacked in that area of performance, but few Mustang or Camaro buyers give a rats patoot about circle track racing, anyway. This is a european sport that has never caught on with American street racers, although it is growing as the 'ricers' try to emulate the drifting craze of Japanese racers. In any case, with the right parts, a new-generation Mustang or Camaro can road race all day if necessary but a lighter Japanese car will always have a structural advantage here. I don't see that as critical but simply one of those built-in things that occur when you compare apples (American muscle cars) to oranges (modified Japanese econocars). Quote:
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The Mustang was based on the lowly Falcon, as we all know, but that misses the point. All American Muscle cars of the 1960's were simply stock sedans with huge engines, either transplanted in a smaller chassis (GTO) or built for racing (the Ford 427) and then plunked into a Galaxie and modified (at the factory) to run on the street. The original 1964 1/2 Mustang was a genius of design, using available parts and a simplistic mechanical layout over a brilliantly designed new body that offered sports car cachet at a very affordable price. From the lowly Falcon six cylinder to the then-impressive 271 HP V-8, the original Mustang had it all - and everyone could own a Mustang, unlike european sport cars that were either a joke (the hapless MG) or overpriced and unreliable (Jaguar). We could ohh and ahhh at a Ferrari or even a Jaguar XKE but most Americans wanted a Corvette 327 (or later, a 427) or if they couldn't afford one, a Mustang V-8. Many a hit pop song was recorded about American muscle, from 'Rocket 88' in the late 1940's to 'Hot Rod Lincoln' to GTO and 409 back in the early to mid 1960's, an indication of Americas love affair with fast 'street' cars. America has long had a love affair with cars that europe and Japan never had, partly due to the war devastation and then, high gas prices Americans never had to face. From early on, we've also had a smaller but more intense love affair with fast cars, especially ones that were fast from 0 to 60 and in a quarter-mile run. Japanese and european cars simply do not have that kind of 'heritage'. No lines of muscle cars like America produced in the cheap-gas 1960's era and certainly no love for acceleration as we Americans do. Road racing is great but not the same as a quarter mile race and you need a very well balanced car to do it successfully. American muscle - represented by the Mustang these days - offers great straight-line speed, high end power and a very respectable degree of handling, too, and all for under 30 large at your local Ford dealer. That's 'heritage' and the Mustang V-8 embodies it in a way no 'ricer', no matter how fast it is - can duplicate for the average American. Quote:
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Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: high desert California
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![]() American muscle cars where already hot rods from the factory. With engines like 428s, 427s and even 454s for the chevy guys. Hell ford put out an 11 sec car from the factory back in 64 from the factory. If that is not a hot rod or a muslce car nothing is When a japanesse car maker makes an 11 sec NA car from the factory I will be impressed. Until then they will just be the slow 4 clyc they always are. I just can never see a japanese car ever going for 100k 20 years from now
As far as road racing the boss 302 and the gt 40 did pretty good at road racing as I recall.
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![]() I will agree with the fact that a lot if import guys have the same pride and work invested in their cars, and to them its the same dedication that a lot of the domestic rodders have. I think a lot of the old hardcore tuners started as domestic folks who got bored and wanted to try modding something else, something different (in the same general spirit as the racers in the 40's previously mentioned) Just a personal theory.
I think that the thing that has held them (Import drivers) back from general acceptance/respect the most has not been the technological side, tho lacking those other 4 cylinders is a bit of a handicap ![]() These guys have no respect for anything that is not from across the water, and dont seem to grasp basic physics. They are loud in their pronouncements of asian superiority, and have managed to alienate the rest of the car community with their boorish behavior, lack of general taste (How many fog lights do you really need?) and refusal to give respect even in the face of just having their butt whipped. (I dont know about you, but if I get into a race and get my hindquarters handed to me, I'm much more likely to give you a thumbs up when I catch up, than the finger. I've been known to pick races with much faster cars just to see them run. ) Its this attitude that has driven a wedge between the crowds, IMHO. Otherwise, we would just smile and pat them on the head ![]() Just my .02, J
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Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: New Port Richey, Florida
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![]() I`m sorry, but I cant feel proud of running a 4cyl honda no matter how much crap he has. Imports are for beaters and trips to the grocery store in my opinion. The thing I hate is seeing fewer and fewer American V 8 cars out there worth running.
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Location: Houston, Tx.
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![]() I once apollogized for smoking a 4 banger (was a Toyota Celica with a wing and pipes, thought it was a surpra).
Now, I'll race most anything in a safe situatiion. I do look for cops though. Many cars that I don't immediately recognize can be fast. I do hope they will give a good rev to get my attention as I'm about half deaf now, LOL. Rev
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