Moral Decision Poll

Hammer · 05-09-2002, 05:30 PM

After having seen Spider-Man and the "Save the Cable car of children or the Girlfiend" scene....

I thought of a good dilemma.
Let me set it up for you:

You're in Rush hour traffic in a big city. The guy behind you is just about right on your bumper (as usual), and there are vehicles in the lane on either side of you. You are all cruising around at about 50 mph when a small kitten runs out into the street in front of you. Do you:

A. Slam on the brakes to give the kitten a chance to get away with its life while knowing full well the sound of crunching metal will be coming from the rear of your beloved Mustang

B. Give the kitty it's last rights and continue on with your Mustang intact

I know what MY decision would be.... What's yours?

HiFlow5 0 · 05-09-2002, 06:26 PM

Hummm, if it were your car i would say bye bye kitty. But then again my mom got rear ended, had her car fixed by the other insurance company and is getting $30,000 back from the lawsuit. So if it were me, I think I could find a much better car for that kinda money.

Unit 5302 · 05-09-2002, 06:47 PM

It is illegal to cause an accident to avoid a collision with an animal. It's also illegal to tailgate. Bye bye kitty. To me, taking the chance that I'll get blamed for causing an accident, having it on my record and destroying my capability to afford my car is too much.

FivepointOH · 05-09-2002, 07:23 PM

I HATE CATS, i'd hit the gas pedal and try to run the sob over.

Mr 5 0 · 05-09-2002, 07:56 PM

Easy one. The kitty gets it.

I had this happen - in a way.

Driving on a rainy night on a side street, about 30 mph, a cat runs into the road right in front of me - no room. I hit the brakes, car slides to the right - toward a tree! I say "Forget this" and let off the brake. Car straigntens out, I feel a 'thump' and that's all she wrote.

No, I didn't go back. Cats never have I.D.tags (could have been a stray), it was raining hard and there was nothing I could do, anyway. Sorry it happened but when the decision is between a cat and a car wreck, the cat loses.

Make it a dog and the decision gets much, much harder.

05-09-2002, 08:13 PM

I don't know what I would really do until I was put in that situation but I think I would hit the brakes. If I felt it was him or human life, it would be human life everytime. In the rain, like the situation Jim was in.. I wouldn't hit the brakes, too much risk.

In this state, if someone rearends you it is automatically thier fault for following too close unless, you pull out in front of them or cut them off(hard for the police to determine sometimes) or are intoxicated. Almost any accident in which someone is intoxicated, its automatically there fault(from what I've seen).

People generally don't tailgate in this state

.

polara7777 · 05-09-2002, 08:19 PM

I'm a big cat person anyway (have 4 of them running around here somewhere) so that would be an easy decision. This state is the same way..if you rearend someone it is your fault no questions asked.

silver_pilate · 05-09-2002, 08:56 PM

Bye bye kitty cat.

Out here things run in front of you all the time. Could be a rabbit. Could be a pheasant. Could be a deer (although VERY rare to happen in the South Plains). If I have a chance to break for an animal safely, sure, I'll do it. Most of the times that split second is all that's needed. However, if I'm cruising at 70 and a rabbit runs out at the last second, I don't even flinch. Keep the wheel straight as there is nothing you could do.

I see it as a sort of Darwinistic approach. You know, survival of the fittest. If the darn thing is stupid enough to run out in front of you, it likely swam in from the shallow end of the gene pool, if you know what I mean. I'm doing the kitty/rabbit/pheasant population a favor by eliminating those animals which don't deserve to live to reproduce.

BTW...ever hit a pheasant at 70? Their head is just about even with your headlights. Makes for a nice spray of grey matter up the hood, up the windshield, and over the roof. Then you gotta get the feathers out of the windshield wipers.

--nathan

05-09-2002, 09:16 PM

I find that interesting coming from you silver_pilate.

tireburner163 · 05-09-2002, 09:56 PM

bye bye kitty, hello 100 points. If it was a dog, I would still hit it, but I'd feel bad afterward. If it was a deer, I'd slam on the brakes(my insurance doesn't cover damage caused by hittin animals

)

fiveohpatrol · 05-09-2002, 10:24 PM

Hmm i wonder what PKRWUD would do?

If it were me, then most likely my g/f would be with me and she would do more damage to me if i hit the cat than the cars could ever do to me. But i really dont like cats either, so its bye bye kitty, and most likely bye bye girlfriend. oh well

Unit 5302 · 05-09-2002, 11:36 PM

It's an insurance company deal, not a state deal. If somebody rear ends you in ANY state is almost always the other persons fault. Almost is the key word there. Call your insurance agent and ask him if you can intentionally cause an accident in an attempt to not hit an animal. His answer will be "no." There is a legitimate reason for it, too. People were intentionally causing accidents only to claim they had to hit the brakes for the animal.

Unit 5302 · 05-09-2002, 11:41 PM

Oh, and if it was a dog that I hit. I would get out of the car to inspect for damages, then go back to the dog, beat it for 1/2 an hour with a tire iron, then go and find the owner and beat them too.

I HATE dogs. Worthless animals. Jump onto people, bark, generally pester the crap out of you, smell like *** (literally), get in your way, harrass guests, and they put a burden on you.

If I could choose to eliminate all dogs from the Earth, or mosquito's it would be a tough choice.

05-09-2002, 11:48 PM

Let me tell you something Unit, I don't know who the hell you think you are but if you were to hit my dog and come to my house to beat me... They'd be picking your *** out of the trees. You don't know everything and your arrogance is beginning to get on my nerves!!

silver_pilate · 05-10-2002, 12:55 AM

rbatson,

Why's that?

If it seems insensitive, it's not that I don't love animals and avoid killing them when I can, but if it can't be done safely, there's nothing else that can be done. Kinda like if a meteorite decides to fall on my head...not much I can do.

If it's the Darwinistic approach that seems out of place, I'll say this. Darwin's ideas have a lot of credence to them. Many people called Darwin a heretic when he proposed his evolutionary ideals. The truth is that Darwis wasn't a heretic. He was a bright man who observed things and thought about what he saw. Hey, evolution happens. The strongest of the species survives and is able to reproduce and pass on its beneficial qualities (unless it's human...then we try and let everyone survive to reproduce...an many do who shouldn't

). I don't have a problem with evolution as a rule. I have a problem with radical, grand-scale evolution.

Hope that helps clear anything up.

--nathan

Mercury · 05-10-2002, 01:07 AM

I'd have to say guys I'd hit the brakes. I love cats. I love animals more than I like people (No....Dont get the wrong idea now.). I'd probably be less inclined to hit the brakes for a person. Unless it was a Fine Asian girl, then I'd hit the brakes, and ask her if she needs a ride.

joe4speed · 05-10-2002, 01:14 AM

Foolish, yes... but I'd slam on the brakes too. No matter what kind of animal.

Topless In Texas · 05-10-2002, 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JL1314
Foolish, yes... but I'd slam on the brakes too. No matter what kind of animal.

Ya, Joe, I"m w/ you....
. I am an animal lover...I'd have to sacrifice the Stang if it came down to it...I only have the 2 Poms a few days a week, and no cats. But I could never hit animal if I can avoid it, that includes squirreles and ARMADILLOS....
but if anyone WOULD happen to hit a deer, call me when the processing is COMPLETE....I love a good mix of venisson! But , I dont wanna see it gutted. Been there done that bout 20 years ago when I went on a hunting trip in Mississippi. Watched the whole process... Before I was into animals.. and i couldnt watch it again..
I dont even want to throw the crabs and crawfish in the boiler! but I'll still eat them.

PKRWUD · 05-10-2002, 03:50 AM

Been there, done that.

No brainer.

Stop for the cat, and if the F***head behind me hits me, kick his stupid ***. I'm all for brutally hurting people, but I would never harm a cat. Per capita, cats are smarter than most people anyway.

Kell, I don't want to get into another pissing contest with you, but I have to agree that you've been particularly PMS-like lately. Everything okay?

Take care,
-Chris

Crazy Horse GT · 05-10-2002, 07:36 AM

if it came down to a wreck, or a cat, bye cat i try to avoid hitting animal's, unlike some people around here, who hit them on purpose, but i hate cat's anyway, plus i dont want to be without my car for 2FREAKIN MONTHS AGAIN, oh sorry

lee hit a dog one time & started crying, i laughed and said, would your rather be in the hospital, it was unavoidable,life goes on

05-09-2002, 05:30 PM	#1
Hammer AKA "Dr. Evil" Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: South Fork Ranch Posts: 1,721	Moral Decision Poll After having seen Spider-Man and the "Save the Cable car of children or the Girlfiend" scene.... I thought of a good dilemma. Let me set it up for you: You're in Rush hour traffic in a big city. The guy behind you is just about right on your bumper (as usual), and there are vehicles in the lane on either side of you. You are all cruising around at about 50 mph when a small kitten runs out into the street in front of you. Do you: A. Slam on the brakes to give the kitten a chance to get away with its life while knowing full well the sound of crunching metal will be coming from the rear of your beloved Mustang B. Give the kitty it's last rights and continue on with your Mustang intact I know what MY decision would be.... What's yours? __________________ Uncle Sam "What the hell is up with all the gauges? Calling Captain Kirk, your ride awaits... Phasers on stun...."

05-09-2002, 06:26 PM	#2
HiFlow5 0 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Springfield, Ma, usa Posts: 706	Hummm, if it were your car i would say bye bye kitty. But then again my mom got rear ended, had her car fixed by the other insurance company and is getting $30,000 back from the lawsuit. So if it were me, I think I could find a much better car for that kinda money. __________________ NewEngland Auto www.baystategearheads.com -91 Mustang Coupe, ex 4cyl (sold) -99 F150, 3" lift, 35" Procomps, Magnaflow exhaust

05-09-2002, 07:23 PM	#4
FivepointOH Registered Member Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Sugar Land, Tx USA Posts: 478	I HATE CATS, i'd hit the gas pedal and try to run the sob over. __________________ 92 AOD GT, K&N, ram air, pulleys, 2 ch. flowmasters, 4:10's, shift kit, 1 5/8 mac longtubes and offroad hpipe 14.249 @ 97.34 Lakewood 90/10's and 50/50's

05-09-2002, 07:56 PM	#5
Mr 5 0 Conservative Individualist Join Date: May 1997 Location: Wherever I need to be Posts: 7,487	Cata and collisions Easy one. The kitty gets it. I had this happen - in a way. Driving on a rainy night on a side street, about 30 mph, a cat runs into the road right in front of me - no room. I hit the brakes, car slides to the right - toward a tree! I say "Forget this" and let off the brake. Car straigntens out, I feel a 'thump' and that's all she wrote. No, I didn't go back. Cats never have I.D.tags (could have been a stray), it was raining hard and there was nothing I could do, anyway. Sorry it happened but when the decision is between a cat and a car wreck, the cat loses. Make it a dog and the decision gets much, much harder.

05-09-2002, 08:13 PM	#6
rbatson Guest Posts: n/a	I don't know what I would really do until I was put in that situation but I think I would hit the brakes. If I felt it was him or human life, it would be human life everytime. In the rain, like the situation Jim was in.. I wouldn't hit the brakes, too much risk. In this state, if someone rearends you it is automatically thier fault for following too close unless, you pull out in front of them or cut them off(hard for the police to determine sometimes) or are intoxicated. Almost any accident in which someone is intoxicated, its automatically there fault(from what I've seen). People generally don't tailgate in this state.

05-09-2002, 06:47 PM	#3
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	It is illegal to cause an accident to avoid a collision with an animal. It's also illegal to tailgate. Bye bye kitty. To me, taking the chance that I'll get blamed for causing an accident, having it on my record and destroying my capability to afford my car is too much.

05-09-2002, 08:19 PM	#7
polara7777 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Columbus, MS Posts: 324	I'm a big cat person anyway (have 4 of them running around here somewhere) so that would be an easy decision. This state is the same way..if you rearend someone it is your fault no questions asked. __________________ -Ian Christopher -84 VW Vanagon (Stock so far but it barks 3rd ) -67 Dodge Polara (383 punched 30, Heavy head work, Mopar Performance single plane intake, Holley 750, electric fuel pump, Holley regulator, .484 duration cam, FRIED bottom end!) DOH!!! Fried the #1 rod bearing. Stroker kit coming! -01 Kawasaki Ninja 250 (Clear lenses, shaved fender, rear signals in the rear housing, baffles removed, Deals Gap dragon on the tail.)

05-09-2002, 08:56 PM	#8
silver_pilate DURKA DURKA!! Join Date: Sep 1997 Location: Lubbock, TX...(TX panhandle) Posts: 1,418	Bye bye kitty cat. Out here things run in front of you all the time. Could be a rabbit. Could be a pheasant. Could be a deer (although VERY rare to happen in the South Plains). If I have a chance to break for an animal safely, sure, I'll do it. Most of the times that split second is all that's needed. However, if I'm cruising at 70 and a rabbit runs out at the last second, I don't even flinch. Keep the wheel straight as there is nothing you could do. I see it as a sort of Darwinistic approach. You know, survival of the fittest. If the darn thing is stupid enough to run out in front of you, it likely swam in from the shallow end of the gene pool, if you know what I mean. I'm doing the kitty/rabbit/pheasant population a favor by eliminating those animals which don't deserve to live to reproduce. BTW...ever hit a pheasant at 70? Their head is just about even with your headlights. Makes for a nice spray of grey matter up the hood, up the windshield, and over the roof. Then you gotta get the feathers out of the windshield wipers. --nathan __________________ '91 GT, Coast 347, 9.5:1 compression, full intake, Wolverine 1087 cam, exhaust, Keith Craft ported Windsor Jr. Irons (235 cfm intake, 195 cfm exhaust), AOD, PI 3500 converter, Lentech valve body, 3.73's (4.10's in the works), and Yokohama ES100's out back. Daily Car: '04 Infiniti G35 Sedan 6MT

05-09-2002, 09:16 PM	#9
rbatson Guest Posts: n/a	I find that interesting coming from you silver_pilate.

05-09-2002, 09:56 PM	#10
tireburner163 It's a lot like a race car Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Meridian, MS Posts: 4,130	bye bye kitty, hello 100 points. If it was a dog, I would still hit it, but I'd feel bad afterward. If it was a deer, I'd slam on the brakes(my insurance doesn't cover damage caused by hittin animals) __________________ 1987 Buick T-type 1998 HD Electra Elide

05-09-2002, 10:24 PM	#11
fiveohpatrol I'd rather be basketweaving Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,551	Hmm i wonder what PKRWUD would do? If it were me, then most likely my g/f would be with me and she would do more damage to me if i hit the cat than the cars could ever do to me. But i really dont like cats either, so its bye bye kitty, and most likely bye bye girlfriend. oh well __________________ NMRA O/C 9516 NA pumpgas stickshift 347 10.65@125.6, 6.73@100, 1.41 60ft

05-09-2002, 11:36 PM	#12
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	It's an insurance company deal, not a state deal. If somebody rear ends you in ANY state is almost always the other persons fault. Almost is the key word there. Call your insurance agent and ask him if you can intentionally cause an accident in an attempt to not hit an animal. His answer will be "no." There is a legitimate reason for it, too. People were intentionally causing accidents only to claim they had to hit the brakes for the animal.

05-09-2002, 11:41 PM	#13
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	Oh, and if it was a dog that I hit. I would get out of the car to inspect for damages, then go back to the dog, beat it for 1/2 an hour with a tire iron, then go and find the owner and beat them too. I HATE dogs. Worthless animals. Jump onto people, bark, generally pester the crap out of you, smell like *** (literally), get in your way, harrass guests, and they put a burden on you. If I could choose to eliminate all dogs from the Earth, or mosquito's it would be a tough choice.

05-09-2002, 11:48 PM	#14
rbatson Guest Posts: n/a	Let me tell you something Unit, I don't know who the hell you think you are but if you were to hit my dog and come to my house to beat me... They'd be picking your *** out of the trees. You don't know everything and your arrogance is beginning to get on my nerves!!

05-10-2002, 12:55 AM	#15
silver_pilate DURKA DURKA!! Join Date: Sep 1997 Location: Lubbock, TX...(TX panhandle) Posts: 1,418	rbatson, Why's that? If it seems insensitive, it's not that I don't love animals and avoid killing them when I can, but if it can't be done safely, there's nothing else that can be done. Kinda like if a meteorite decides to fall on my head...not much I can do. If it's the Darwinistic approach that seems out of place, I'll say this. Darwin's ideas have a lot of credence to them. Many people called Darwin a heretic when he proposed his evolutionary ideals. The truth is that Darwis wasn't a heretic. He was a bright man who observed things and thought about what he saw. Hey, evolution happens. The strongest of the species survives and is able to reproduce and pass on its beneficial qualities (unless it's human...then we try and let everyone survive to reproduce...an many do who shouldn't ). I don't have a problem with evolution as a rule. I have a problem with radical, grand-scale evolution. Hope that helps clear anything up. --nathan __________________ '91 GT, Coast 347, 9.5:1 compression, full intake, Wolverine 1087 cam, exhaust, Keith Craft ported Windsor Jr. Irons (235 cfm intake, 195 cfm exhaust), AOD, PI 3500 converter, Lentech valve body, 3.73's (4.10's in the works), and Yokohama ES100's out back. Daily Car: '04 Infiniti G35 Sedan 6MT

05-10-2002, 01:07 AM	#16
Mercury The Redneck James Bond Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Fayetteville NC Posts: 1,707	I'd have to say guys I'd hit the brakes. I love cats. I love animals more than I like people (No....Dont get the wrong idea now.). I'd probably be less inclined to hit the brakes for a person. Unless it was a Fine Asian girl, then I'd hit the brakes, and ask her if she needs a ride.

05-10-2002, 01:14 AM	#17
joe4speed He said Member...heh, heh Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Jupiter, Florida U.S.A. Posts: 3,718	Foolish, yes... but I'd slam on the brakes too. No matter what kind of animal. __________________ *Joe!* 1988 GT, 13.58@101mph Check out my listing! Click here! Or my website:www.joe4speed.com

05-10-2002, 03:50 AM	#19
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	Been there, done that. No brainer. Stop for the cat, and if the F*head behind me hits me, kick his stupid *. I'm all for brutally hurting people, but I would never harm a cat. Per capita, cats are smarter than most people anyway. Kell, I don't want to get into another pissing contest with you, but I have to agree that you've been particularly PMS-like lately. Everything okay? Take care, -Chris __________________ Webmaster: Rice Haters Club Jim Porter Racing Peckerwoods Pit Stop Support Your Local RED & WHITE!

05-10-2002, 07:36 AM	#20
Crazy Horse GT Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sale Creek, TN. C. S. A. Posts: 4,652	if it came down to a wreck, or a cat, bye cat i try to avoid hitting animal's, unlike some people around here, who hit them on purpose, but i hate cat's anyway, plus i dont want to be without my car for 2FREAKIN MONTHS AGAIN, oh sorry lee hit a dog one time & started crying, i laughed and said, would your rather be in the hospital, it was unavoidable,life goes on __________________ 95 gt vert, lot's of stuff, it aint slow. 04 sonic blue v - six my beater 89 rs camaro iroc turbo hood, other stuff, my wifes ride 84 lx stang cammed up 289 hi po, etc 65 falcon, maybe by the year 2020. black 00gt, gone but never forgotten. R H C- member # 1 o.b.c. da prez- member # 1 if your under 40 dont ask. goodbye for now odie,r.i.p. 11-27-03

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