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a guy at work has a honda 600 cbr, but he stuffed a 1000cc engine in it & it's built also he used to run ama, well he wanted to drag race me in my stock 00gt, all i have is a k& n air filter, the huge racing one, in the quarter he only beat me by about 6 car length's, i thought he would pull way more than that, his excuse was the front tire started floating up & down, well i can buy that, what do you think?:confused:

Well, I think it comes down to his ability as a rider. A 600 SS is usually capable (with an EXCELLENT rider i.e. magazine rider) of high 10s.

A Honda liter bike (actually the Honda inlines are 919cc, 929cc and 954cc) should be capable of low 10s at least, especially if he's claiming its worked.

Also, the weight factor: In 2002, the dry weight of the F4i and the 954RR are the EXACT SAME: weighing in at 370 lbs dry...

Here are some cold hard figures from MotorCyclist:

Honda CBR600F4i: 10.71@126.7 mph
Kawasaki ZX6r: 10.92@124.4 mph
Suzuki GSXR600: 10.69@126.6 mph
Yammy R6: 10.75@126.6 mph

Honda CBR954RR: 10.2@139 mph
Kawasaki ZX9r: 10.16@138.28 mph
Gixxer 1000: 9.89@145.35 mph
Yammy R1: 10.07@142.13 mph

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The excuse of the wheels floating is somewhat acceptable if he means wheelieing at the line, but then he should know enough about his bike that he wouldn't be setting up races without equipping the scoot specifically for drag racing. If he means the wheels are floating down the track, the 600 actually has a longer wheelbase than a liter bike, allowing less chance for a tankslapper.

Ask 1fastchick, last time I heard, she was running at least low 11s with a STOCK Yammy R6...Since your GT is not heavily modified, I'm guessing that you should be running high 13s correct? Then he should have been way ahead of you! Get that boy to an advanced MSF course ;) :D

BTW: I'm totally flattered that you asked me :) There are several other peeps on the boards that are WAY more knowledgable than I, and I hope they come forward in case I missed something!

well i knew you have a fast bike, but this boy's bike is b.a. i mean a 600 cbr with a 1000 built cbr engine stuffed into it, jeez his fairings barely fit , my stang is slow, it's a better top end machine, i think his bike was too fast and was floating, so he may have gottten out of it, i knew i wasnt going to beat him. but hey he wanted to run so i just did it for the heck of it, thank's i just hope i dont hear about him crashing & burning, his scoot is mean, see ya . marty.:)

Hey, sorry to throw a question of out no where. Well it's regarding this topic, but do you know what the Kawasaki ZZ-R1200 runs for 1/4 mile. I found out last week my g/f's uncle races bikes (I couldn't believe she never told me!) Anyway, Kawasaki gave him that bike to drive around and promote for the weekend and then to use it in the race, but he hurt his hand so he couldn't race but they let him keep the bike for the weekend. He said he could be going down the highway shift gears, give it abit of gas and pop a wheelie no problem. I don't know how true, but it's got 1164CC so that is alot of power.

Anyway, I was just curious.
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Sounds like my friend's dragbike.

CBR 600F2. CBR 900RR engine. 997 big bore kit. Cams, ported, polished, decked, backcut tranny, etc etc etc. The chassis had to be cut and welded to get that 900RR engine in there. Hehe, but all the stock 600F2 plastic does fit. :D

That engine put down 147rwhp in a 900RR chassis, with the factory 900RR airbox, OEM type filter, pipe, and no tuning. He's got a set of filters, removed box, race pipe, and a set of high performance carbs on the thing now. With some tuning he feels there will be no problem dynoing it out to 160+rwhp.

With the wheelie bar he expects it to be able to run well into the 9's.

I'd definately chock this race up to the rider not being able to ride. His "floating" was probably from a mal-adjusted suspension, and his own personal belief that fork travel equals lifting the front wheel. LOL.

I got into my first highway race against a ZX-7R last weekend, and the wind was blowing at us, which made my front wheel come up just enough to start it wobbling whenever I was in my powerband. (9,000-12,000 rpms) It was quite exciting, but scary to have the front wheel come up at 130-150 mph!!!!!!!!! All I had to do was crouch over and push down on the front more to keep it down! :) We're not talking big wheelies here, just the wheel coming up about 3-4 inches! :eek:
I know.. off topic, but it was fun! :)

i guess i should have explained a little more this guy races oavals like daytona etc , but in a drag race he still should have pulled more on me, or my car is a freak, or just crazy like me, heheh:rolleyes: :D :D

Have you swapped out either the front or rear sprocket on that bad boy? I've had the 929 come up on me at high speeds, but Belle's ZX-6R stays planted above 80 or 90 no matter how far you open the throttle. Also, if you are concerned about head shake or tankslapping, I'd highly recommend a Scott's Damper (if you don't already have one). It doesn't kill off all headshake, but significantly helps in potentially violent tankslapping situations.

Nope, this is the first time the wheel has come up on me at those speeds, I'll thank a near empty gas tank, and I'm guessing the wind?? Strange to me too, but the front was definitely coming up. I'll have to go out and try to recreate that on a calm day... Who knows!!!
I recently put the stock rear sprocket back on, I was using a friends sprocket while he was painting his bike, to help at the track. So this happened with a stock sprocket.

Btw, I do need a damper, I don't like coming down from wheelies and getting the shake, hopefully that will help calm it down some!!! :eek:

joe just a question, the same guy i was talking about said ninjas where pus--y bikes , now dont flame me, i have no idea, i used to have a harley& all i did was cruise & be loud as he-- shorty drag pipes heheh, i am too old to go that fast on a bike anymore, just a dumd question? see ya:D

Oh, definately..... The damper also helps with turns. You'll feel the bike feel like it's 50-100 lbs heavier (ie..more stable) thru every turn. You'll almost swear you could let go of the bars and let the bike take the turn by itself :D

joe just a question, the same guy i was talking about said ninjas where pus--y bikes , now dont flame me, i have no idea, i used to have a harley& all i did was cruise & be loud as he-- shorty drag pipes heheh, i am too old to go that fast on a bike anymore, just a dumd question? see ya:D i dont know how this posted in here twice, weird

LOL, oh Lord, are you sure you haven't been talking to 1fastchick??? ;)

I would hardly call them pussy bikes. The are so close to the bikes in their class that, you'd be hard pressed to tell much of a difference while riding. Unless you can tell a few tenths of a second off from the other bikes(with a couple exceptions)!!! I agree that Kawi needs to step up to the plate, and get cookin. And believe it or not, I will not be going green when I upgrade, I will be getting a GSXR1000 or an R-1. Kawi is slacking in that department, but by NO means are they Pussy bikes!! :mad:

The Kawasaki ZX-12R has 162hp and ran a 9.96 at 142mph for motorcyclist magazine the #1 hp and et as of march 2002. I don't call that slacking.

No slacking there at all.. I just wish they'd get on it with the 600's and up the 900 to a 1000.

Ugh the ragging on Kawasaki is getting pretty old, and really childish. :rolleyes:

The funniest ones are the people that repeat the 'Kawasucki" line that they heard from someone else, especially when they haven't even sat on a Ninja! Then they shut up real quick when you point out the 1/4 mile times that are right next to the other 600cc bikes, winning championships, favorable mag reviews, etc. The ZX6r might not be the fastest in the 1/4 mile, but it has a WIDE powerband that is AWESOME for street use, and its comfy and forgiving!

Most people that rag on Kawi are posers that heard it was cool to do so...I'd guess that most of the haters have not even taken one for a ride. Of course there are going to be people that don't like the Kawis period, and that's cool, as long as they give it a chance! :)

I pretty much know nothing about bikes, but I like the look of the Kawasaki's, I think they look pretty sleek and as for performance I'm more then impressed. I think I'd have a fear of riding a bike, I'm not that scared of stuff but it just seems to easy to fall off but I'm sure I'd try it and relise it isn't that bad. :D

Okay Okay #1 who cares about 1/4 times of someone else if you aren't running it yourself doesn't me jack.

Posers run in EVERY group it is getting very old and childish to hear people B1tch and moan when their bikes get ragged on yet they rag on others. We all ride for the love of the sport.
Personallly I feel in every way I have a right to rag on the zx6r cause I have on in the garage. It turns like crap, feels outdated, and like a damn boat. But if I was going on a long hwy trip I would take it over the R6 anyday. Or if I was building a straight out dragbike.

Personally I really don't care to much about what the magizines say nor what other people think. I ride what I like and I have ridden other 600's to 12s some I liked (hondas) some I hated (kawi's) You should form your opinion on what bikes you like by actually having riding experience on them than just bashing another brand when you have only ridden maybe one bike.

an you can refer to my above post also :rolleyes: I have plently of seat time on the 12r and the 6r to form my opinion on those Bikes. I'm not like the typical ignorant biker out there who just talkins crap about bikes they have never ridden.

Wow... it was a joke but you took that way too seriously. :rolleyes:
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I guarantee that if I bashed th R-6 as much as you bash Kawi's, you'd be over it too. I'm always surprised when you DON'T bash the Kawi, cuz that's all you do! If you don't like it, maybe someone else does!!! Don't say anything. I think R-1's are awesome and R-6's are ok, but I wouldn't want one... yes I've ridden both, and they're both beautiful, but didn't like the R-6 at all... slow, and uncomfortable compared to my 6R. Buuuut you NEVER hear me bashing anyones ride until now. Ever. So before you reply mad at me, think about it. Have you ever heard me bash Yamaha? Nope.


You like what you ride, I like what I ride... we allllll know you hate Kawis, but are usually reminded of that fact every time a post about sportbikes come up. I was sooooo happy when you refrained this time! I could hardly believe it.

I do apologize for the flame, but It's bugged me for a while, and I always ignore it!

sorry i didnt mean to start a war, i know nothing about sport bikes now, but in the 70's, oh god im old, oh anyway i do know in the 70's that the kz900 was the chit, ok im outta here. bye, leaving town :rolleyes: :D

I don't bash kawi's all the time I bash then when people continue to talk out of their *** about other bikes they have never even road let alone probably sat on.
Bash the R6 all you want I love my baby and she treats me good.

Let it bug you all you want. I formed my opinion on Kawi's and the other bikes I have ridden from actually riding them not just reading about pro riders time and opinion..........if it bugs you personally tuff crap IMO......... Be surprised all you want but you obviously don't know me nor read my post well enough to even get a hint about me or my opinions of differen't bikes. But, according to you everything is Kawi's suck I mean hell I must have said it how many times in the 130 so post I have here

So continue on with topic at hand. ...
/goes back to packing for vacation.

:cool::rolleyes:

LOL ok then...I feel better that I vented and I'm sure you do too, you know nothing about me, and I know nothing about you. It's all good!

'nuff said. ;)

1969MACH1 the ZZ-R1200 numbers are 145hp 10.12et at 136.9mph according to Motorcyclist magazine. I haven't rode one but they say it is a nice ride, one you can ride long distances without beating yourself up. I don't know, maybe I could go down to the motorcycle shop and ask to ride all the new bikes, but something makes me think they might not let me.

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I will never buy and ride another bike unless it has a dampner on it. The Ohlins is the **** as far as dampners go. I had one on my 7RR along with gp's front and rear and could come around ducati's like they were nothing. Once you get a little heat into them and get that dampner set, yeeeeaaaaaww it was gone.

You cant count any bike out on the street, cuz you never know what they have done to them. My favs are always the customs and sleepers. Hell I raced Brian Shnitz at a Prostar event and he run a record with a high 9 sec on a ZX6R against me. And that was in the stock street class, just pipes and a carb tune. Talk about shrinking your willie for ya. :

The 600s are fun as hell to drive, although they dont have the torque and power that the big'ns do. The 600s are kinda funny on when they come up on ya, some times they hit hard and other times you gotta slip it up. It depends alot on the rider and knowing the bike very well. One thing you can count on is the handling, quick and nimble on most.

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heheheh awesome, huh? I know a few VERY fast ZX-6R's... I had quite a few people call BS when I ran 10.35 on mine with a small sprocket, jet-kit, full exhaust, k&n, and strapped. Some people are fools. :D That's why I took the time out of my sig.... sick of hearin it. If ya got the balls, non-believers, bring yours and I'll show ya! :)

ZX-6R, F4i, GSXR600R, R6....... I have spent a considerable amount of time on every 600cc (with the exception of the ******* Triumph TT POS) and they are all basically the same. Of course, you will find a few diffierent characteristics that you might appreciate on one more than another, but there is no true 600cc champion that stands out above the rest.

To put it simply, when I ride an R6, I'm contiunally having to slow down for peeps to catch up..... When I ride the 6R, same thing.... When I ride the f4, same story. It's all the rider....always will be. In fact, I'm finding myself leaving my RR in the garage and taking out the 6R more frequently simply for fun factor. My buddies on R1's and 929's really don't have to wait for me.

So.......do whatever you like as long as you ENJOY doing it. I mean, isn't this the point of riding in the first place? (Not to spank the 600cc next to you, but to just have a good time and come home with all limbs:D )

Wowee! A Kawi Slamboree! :rolleyes: :D You two are forever bickering :p

Personally, I don't think I'll be experienced enough for a loooong time to even consider myself credible to rate bikes...Riding IMO is like driving...there certainly are people just gifted from the start, but EXPERIENCE is priceless, and like everyone else has said, one model might be more desirable in certain areas to certain people. I, for one, hate the riding position of the GSXR 750...someone may love it!

The older I get the more I realize how important it is to appreciate/respect the tastes of others, and I've also discovered how little people care about what I think ;) I'm no bike pro or evaluator, nor would I pretend to be one..I'll leave that duty to the tenured :D

I'm in it for the fun factor, other people and other bikes be damned!!

The ZX9R isn't down on power. 1/4 times and trap speed are ahead of the 929, and only a tick behind the R1 or two clicks from the Gixxer. Pipe and jet kit the 9R will see 120rwhp longer than a Hayabusa. The engine is everything it needs to be to stay competitive, but the chassis just isn't setup to be as crazy as the other liters. Pretty much the same story with the ZX6R. I don't know about the latest R1, but the R1 was using the same engine that was in the FZR1000 - 10 years ago and more. The older engines never got optimized like the newer ones, so bikes like the R1, and the 9R benefit significantly from a pipe/jet kit, whereas the GSX1000R doesn't. Pipe and a jet kit on a R1 was worth from 131rwhp to 139rwhp on the last run I saw. The ZX9R put down high 120's, and then 134rwhp with a pipe and jet kit. Heh, the only 1 liter that I'm positive was a turd in stock form was the 900RR. I've seen ZX7R's outdyno them by a fair margin.

None of the bikes are light years ahead of the others. I've yet to see a TT600 dyno first hand. From the numbers I've seen and the dyno charts on other machines, I'd expect it to be right with the ZX6R and the F4.

Can't say I've ridden them, so all I can tell you is what everybody else I know who has ridden them says. I can tell you they dyno close.

Oh, I don't know **** about the 959 yet. No numbers to compare.

LOL I'm the LAST one to judge people for what they ride!!! I've never come on here saying, "oh your CBR sucks", or "your Harley sucks" or "your riced-out honda sucks"!! I love all bikes, and cars! If you love it, the better for ya! Have fun and enjoy it. I'm sure the people who know me, know this to be very true. Trust me, I'm done bickering on this Kawi point, let them all rag on it! ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Well, I don't buy too much stock in magazine numbers (not to say that is your primary source). I just thought it'd be important to point out that the Kawi 6R and 9R tend to be the most popular drag bikes of choice. Mostly because the 9R is usually underrated on power. Not to mention that every bike is different. The bikes that magazine authors get to test are usually blueprinted.

jeez everyone i was just asking belle a simple question , because i know nothing about sport bikes, thats all, i never meant for it to turn into a war, sorry.:confused:

LOL don't worry Marty! We're alll still buds! :D

Just expressing our opinions hehehe ;)

im pulling on you joe time for me to hit my 2nd naaaawwwzzz button, heheh :rolleyes: :D :p

Oh sheeeiiiittttttt you are.... I see you taking my 8th place spot within a week!!! :eek:

:D :D :D :D :rolleyes: yeah right, heheh.

Don't worry, it's not your fault. This ALWAYS happens when fragile egos are involved. I always used to promote having fun and enjoying YOUR bike on sportbikes.net, but no one ever listened to me.

No matter what bike you buy, you'll be in for an unbeleivable amount of fun. Just get what appeals to you and enjoy the heck out of it. :D

p-squid, i dont even have a bike anymore, i used to have a thumping harley, but it's been years ago, i was just asking a question, i guess it just got out of hand, i dont knock any scoots, even when i had my h-d i rode with import bikers , i never was one of those, if it aint a harley it aint sh-- types, i didnt care , all i cared was if you ride, you ride. see ya.:)

Correct me if I am wrong here but, from what I have heard, seen around, and what I noticed at the prostar races 90% of the drag bikes are Suzuki's (and I am not just saying that because I am a Suzuki fan). The only class that Kawasaki (or any other manufacturer) had a major part in was the 600 class at the prostar races. And that was because they had the only factory team. I would look it up to verify but we are have network problems and I can only get to like 3 web sites right now.

As far as the bickering goes ANY BIKE THAT IS NOT A SUZUKI SUCKS...
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Ohhhhhhh... J/K I talk trash about all the other bikes because I am a die hard Suzuki fan. I love all bikes and have much respect for them but I am going to talk trash, it’s all in good fun. I probably talk more trash about Kawasaki’s because of the “ninja’ name and how a large % of the general public thinks all sportbikes are “ninjas” I hate when I hear someone say “hey look at that ninja” while pointing at my gixxer. Is my **** green, Hell no!:mad:

Mag times for 1/4 mile and trap speed. I kinda figure, same rider, same result, or at least for trap. For the real power figures, I use dyno charts off my friends dynojet. If it's out there, he's probably run it on the dyno. It's got the high intertia drum, and the new software and all that jazz.

All aluminum 350 race built Boss Hoss with N20, yep. Nearly 500rwhp. The dyno won't measure more than that. Dynojet can set theirs up for it, but they don't let normal people have that software.

XR250, yep.

Old ragged out Harley that looked like somebody pulled out of a swamp down in Daytona with a drunk owner and a pipe that was falling off the head, yep. LOL.

Maybe people rag on Kawasaki because they have had the worlds fastest streetbike for more years than any other motorcycle company in the last 30 years. The big four Jap bike companies all make good ones, but I favor Kawasaki and Suzuki. I am glad Kawasaki doesn't build any crappy little cars and send them over here.

Personally I think all bikes have their good and bad points. Between my dad, mom and I we have 2 Kawi's, 3 suzi's, 4 Honda's, 1 BMW and 1 Norton sitting around the house. I think they all have good and bad points. I don't really have any favorite bike company, they all make a bike I'm interested in. (Well if we consider Buell as a Harley. I don't much care for H-D's not my style.) Right now I'm trying to decide which I want more a Ninja 500R or a suzi SV650. Yamaha doesn't make a naked bike I like and for insurance purposes that's what i need. The Kawi has the better more reliable motor that is well proven and way over-engineered. The SV650 has the handling though. I think I am leaning more toward the suzi.

By the way it was the Kawi KZ1000 that was the top dog back in the day. Suzi countered this threat with the GS100S. One of my all time fav bikes. It's always interesting at the Gap cause my dad has a GS1000S and one of his good friends has a KZ1000. It's fun watching the old rivals duke it out. The KZ has a lot of mods though and they are both damned good riders but the KZ usually pulls off. Not by much though. If any one is curious about what the old 79 GS1000S looks like let me know and I'll get a pic up. You'll never believe it's a 23 year old bike!

Yeah, because that's such an insignificant class and all...


I love zooks too! However, I'm a diehard BIKE fan, not brand specific. I've come to find that there is more ego, bravado, and childish bickering in the sportbike hobby than ANY other passion I've been around :rolleyes:

Yeah I know how you feel, Horse...these bike threads always end up this way...they're pretty much yawn-city nowadays :rolleyes: I would have stayed away if it weren't for my name in the title;)

For future reference, don't ask a bike question unless you want to hear EVERYONE'S favorite bike, least favorite bike, opinions, my-friend-works-here, my-friend-rides-this, etc etc etc...

i hear you belle, i will never ask another bike question again , i swear, die damn thread die :D :D :eek:

LOL
LMFAO

I never said it was an insignificant class. It is on of my favorite classes. As far as the childish bickering goes, it is all BS. All of the top manufactures make great bikes. I will talk a little smack, but I will also be the 1st to tell you I have a great deal of respect for all bikes and I would never seriously tell someone that their bike sucked because of the brand. When I was talking about most drag bikes were Suzuki’s, that is my opinion. I was not saying that no other bikes can keep up. I have just noticed that a good majority of the drag bikes that I have seen are Suzuki’s. At the track and on the street. Around here you will see about 10busas to 1 12r. Not that the 12r can’t keep up or is a bad bike, I just don’t see as many.

http://www.gixxer.com/forums/ubb/graemlins/spit.gif Bahahahaha.... True, True