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04-24-2004, 07:01 AM | #41 |
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I'm not surprised
I see a couple of people from RHC here in this thread, and I have to say my opinion of them has gone up even higher than it was. I also think that some of the other posts in this thread offer some compelling ideas, but I'm surprised by the religious over tones, especially in a society thats all blow and no show.
If christian values actually meant anything to people our society would be a lot different than it is. For instance lets look at the morality and religious values that govern abortion in the US and the rest of the world. Here, just like the gay issue, we say one thing and do something entirely different. Murder is always wrong, and yet we do absolutely nothing to stop it. It's a woman's right to choose by law, right? But is it right? Do we not all turn a deaf ear to this issue? What the hell, it doesn't affect us, right? How does that relate to the gay marriage issue? The same sex marriage issue is another example of something that we have extremely strong views on, and will likely do NOTHING about. We talk a good game, but ultimately only about 25% of the populace will vote on anything, dooming any Constitutional amendment, and the gays will get some form of union rights out of it. This bothers me not at all, because it is entirely irrelevant. It does not affect me at all, just like abortion doesn't affect me at all. My relationship will not change, my taxes will not change, and my opinion will not change, but millions of people will have yet another reason to hate someone else in the name of some God that has been retranslated so many times that the original message is nearly gone now. My little brother is gay. He's been told to his face time and again that he's going to hell for his sins. I firmly believe he'll have a LOT of company. We all talk a good game, but there are damned few people anywhere on this infected mud ball that live up to their professed beliefs. Beliefs like love thy neighbors as thy self, judge ye not lest ye be judged, and my favorite, all shall stand before God and know him. There are going to be some very suyrprised people I think when they finally meet God, and it won't just be the gays and lesbians getting called on the carpet for sinning. Religion and religious intolerance have caused more wars and bloodshed than any other reason in history.
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From all this reading, I conclude that Jim (Mr.5.0) is homophobic. You sir attacked the subject with the upmost discust its not even funny. It proves your hatred for certain "types" of people makes you very biased and closed minded. You would fit in perfectly with the KKK. Your bible belt preaching, republican god fearing asz makes Jim Baker jealous in everyway. I try to understand your personal views and opinions but can't quite grasp the fact that you are closed-minded and can't see any other way except yours. Are you ever wrong? Wait don't answer that, I already know.
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******* hell (oh yea, cant write that here, lol).
People need to stop complaining like the world will fall over and we'll all be banaished to the depths of hades for not stopping the homosexuals. Bottom line, aren't they people? It disgusts me when people debate the topic as if they aren't. What we need to do is give them the option of a civil union that comes with as many rights as a marriage does. If they can find a church that will "marry" them, then let them have their ceremony in that church, but still call it a civil union. Wouldn't that make everyone (except those who in their hearts want gays to all spontaneously combust) happy? -Jonathon
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Whoa Jim! Didn't you and mustangjohn just get done calling me a communist in another thread?
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Jim, you're becoming a conspiracy theorist, and you sound scared. For the life of me, though, I can't understand why. You have nothing to fear, you know perfectly well that you can't turn gay because your neighbor is. You surely also know that no matter who else gets married, anywhere on the face of this earth, it couldn't possibly affect the marriage you share with your wife. So what are you afraid of? Why are you so bent on denying others what you, and many other folks have? You've built this up into an 'us versus them' situation, where they're plotting against you, trying to twart your happiness with their hidden agenda. That's so ridiculous, I have trouble believing you'd imply it. No one is trying to take anything away from you. No one is trying to infringe upon your rights. And the only reason the polls and opinions are the way they are is because no one started including homosexuals in their teaching of tolerance until very recently.
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You said yourself that religion has nothing to do with this, which is refreshing to hear. Most of the arguments I've seen and heard against gay marriage revolves around someone's interpretation of their God, and what they felt was right and proper. I'm glad to see that you are past that, although that does shoot down most of the other peoples arguments in this thread. You also acknowledged that gay people are 'nice'. lol. I'm guessing that's your way of saying it's not their personalities, or their flamboyant behavior that keeps you objecting to them being allowed to marry. We both know that that would be blatant discrimination, though, so I'm not surprised. They have loud and obnoxious parades because they no longer feel they have to lie about their sexuality. They're proud of what they are. So are the Irish, every March 17th. So what? If you don't like it, don't go to see it. I do my best to avoid both. Quote:
You talk of a long history of marriages being between women and men, but you should also know that in many civilizations, older than ours, homosexuality was not only accepted, it was encouraged. The primary purpose for the union between men and women was for procreation, which brings us to another of your points. I don't recall ever reading where the ability to procreate was a requirement for a marriage license. If that's the case, there's a whole bunch of married couples out there who's license is null and void. And as far as the point of being natural, and of being anatomically compatible, I hate to say it, for many reasons, but gay couples have worked that out, too. There are many heterosexual couples that are no longer "naturally compatible", are they to be denied as well? Quote:
Any two legal adults, of sound mind, should have the same rights as any other adults of sound mind. And according to the US Supreme Court, in 1964, declared that the freedom to marry was a basic right of all Americans. The constitution protects everyone, not just the majority. When it comes to defining criminal offenses, the majority rules, but under no circumstances can the majority maintain a right while taking it away from the minority. If it's a right for you, it's a right for every other legal adult. At least that's the way it's supposed to be. That's what makes this country as great as it is; EVERYONE of equal status is entitled to the same rights. IMO, the bottom line here Jim is you personally object to it, for whatever personal reasons you have, but your personal feelings don't justify denying the right of marriage to a gay couple. Everything you may or may not hate and detest about a gay couple being together is going to continue to happen, even in your neighborhood, whether we like it or not. All that is being accomplished by trying to deny the right of marriage to those couples, is denying them equal (not special) rights.
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Like I said Chris closed-minded . He has to be homophobic! He is one of the main reasons why I left this joint when he was moderator. He was an aszhole then and he is still an aszhole now. Really Jim are you that fuked up in the head to realize that their might be more than your beliefs out there? Keeping beliefs to yourself is fine. Telling people they are wrong cause they dont fall into your guidelines of belief is truly pitifull. You can throw all those nifty political slogans at me all you want, what it comes down to is you really dont know your asz from a hole in a ground.
Jim, it looks like "they" have invaded your state!! RUN!!! Go HERE James
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She is alot more attractive than she gives herself credit for.. [/B][/QUOTE]
Congrats on having a one of the kind woman. In my experience most women who are nice looking, usually know it and are hard to deal with. You must of find that one of the kind down to earth woman that we all dream of having. Hang on to her because you won't find another one like that. They are rare! Gay oppinion: for everyone, it is out there and you can't change anyone minds. What you may think is not right, might be the right thing for those particular people. It is a way of life.
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......And people wonder why their is hardly ever any regulars around here anymore.....
Internet tough guys...hmmm Seems like we have an internet politician on our hands You know everyone here who replied was cool enough to agree and disagree without being an asz. Why do you have to take peoples words and twist them around and make them sound like they dont know jack? Always have to be the know it all of this forum ever since I got here. I got to admit, Chris and others did a wonderful thing by creating RHC. I don't have to deal with a tool like you Jim. I stood back and watched for awhile now and then you have the nerve to attack Chris's post being that he is a very helpful person to this site and still is, you treat him like some newbie or an idiot. Does gay marriage "effect" anyone here in any way, shape or form? If it does, explain. James
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I already have, in detail. You are apparently unable to grasp it. Your loss, again.
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I just want to weigh in on one comment that was made in defense against gay marriage:
"However, I fail to see why expanding the ancient and time-tested legal definition of marriage to now include same-sex couples is going to do one thing to strengthen the institution of marriage" Let us not forget that not too long ago that very same "time-tested legal definition of marriage" also precluded white folks marrying black folks, black folks marrying asian folks, and asian folks from marrying white folks. Also that same definition (but a little earlier in time) precluded people of different national origins from marrying each other, and let's not even bother to touch on the subject of arranged marriages. So personally I think that argument is full of more holes than swiss cheese. Oh one other thing I wanted to touch on. Someone hinted at "looking at the flowers and animals" because they got it "right". I would like to point that poster to the fact that sea lions, sea gulls, grey wolves and numerous other animals have been known to have homosexual relationships. Heck, I could point you to the fact that your common domesticated dog will hump ANYTHING regardless of whether it's alive or inanimate, male or female, or even of a DIFFERENT species all together. There are also certain flowers that have been found to only propagate through the interaction of pollen from TWO female flowers of that species... oh, and what about all the androgynous/asexual species of animals/insects that are out there? Care to touch on that subject?
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Jim, you hurt my feelings I'm going to cry now you internet bully. You wait and see, I will get my internet friends after you! Just because you answer alot of questions and helped people out doesnt mean you are correct. Anyone can spout out crap. I rather be a schizo than homophobic. Well water ever floats your boat, bully I really do hope that gay marriage gets accepted across the U.S. so they can have a gay wedding right in your home town and you can chase them with your bible
Oh yeah just because you were administrator, moderator or aszkisser, that doesnt mean squat. That doesnt prove your knowledge or anything else for the matter. One more thing, dont talk shit about Chris. He has made one if not the best, forum on the net, than any place I have been so far and has made more friends in the past year than you probably in your whole lifetime. He has a wonderful personality something you lack highly of. Have a good day! James
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I do not think homosexual couples should be allowed to legally marry. That would IMHO, degrade the entire "family" unit that this country supposedly holds so dear.
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