Oh man what a discrace to Saleen and Mustangs in General.
 

I was searching on e-bay today, and found this Saleen (he claims for it to be real, however I see no numbers under the drivers side headlight, maybe carfax could prove it or something). The car looked half way decent until I saw the spoiler! OMG! It looked like it was off of a ricer! Let me know what you guys think. Im getting tired of all of this rice stuff going on stangs.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=1853200981

OOOO GAWD that makes me want to sale mine and get a cobra!!! YUCK however I do like the color but the rest BLOWS!!

Funny thing i was looking at that car before i cam eback here. I saw and thought the paint job and everything was nice until i saw the spoiler. Theres another stang 99+ thats riced out. Its blue i was gunna post it but i already posted a nasty mustang earlier today.

I'm sorry, but that entire car makes me want to hurl. That thing is so ugly, even ricers would be ashamed of having a car like it.

the horror, oh the horror, the ugly wing, :eek: :eek: :eek:

I'm not sold on the fact that's a real Saleen. Shelby, can you lend some insight on those gauges? There is not a single marking that makes me believe its real. I may email the factory and have them follow up on it. Smells like fraud to me.

GOD, Thats so tasteless.

I think the "Blow them haters off" on the supercharger says it all.


Skyler

Nobody else finds the "plexi-glass" inserts in the hood to "show-off" the supercharger as extremely ugly and tacky?

That ruined the car for me the most, along with the wing and other things.

It's not that bad looking other then that fugly wing. I think I could live with the rest of the car. Paint is kinda cool I guess..... Atleast he doesn't have those Euro lights. :rolleyes:

§am.

If I were buying that car, when I went to pick it up.....I'd tear off the wing and BEAT the previous owner to DEATH with it!!!!:mad:

Deuce it says it is car #107 in the description we could just look it up and see! Usually if they are gonna put a # with it , it is real. I was wrong about the color I thought it was just that copper color but I took a closer look and it has some butt ugly paint job with barb wire wrapped around the car. YUCK!:mad:

I thoght that Saleen's came with a Saleen speedlab roots type charger. Were they avalible with the paxton? I would rather have a stock one than that. He screwed the value on that Saleen.

Those actually look like real Saleen gauges to me....it would be so sad if that was a real Saleen though. You know what the worse thing is? With that blower and all the other mods, It's probably a sick car(very low 12s easy). Isn't a damn shame when something that tacky is actually fast?

Is it just me or does that Blower look somewhat Photoshopped? :confused:

Yeah, something doesnt seem right. To go off topic slightly, did you see the white fox vert in the background? It looks like it has some Uncle Ben's characteristics as well.

good god oh mighty that is one ugly car I must say. Looks like a fake one to me. Find out the vin and it is easy to find out for sure.

haha
 

Did u see the back bumper? God i hope that doesnt really say "Gone in Sixty Seconds"

D-E-E-E-E-E-S-G-U-S-T-I-N-G

25 Grand for that car so far!!!
 

WTF??? Someone bid 25 Grand on that car!!!! I can't believe it, I wouldn't be caught dead in that car! And that blower dosent look real come to think of it, it looks as if there is two "bound" together or something. Another thing, the tape has to go!:( grrrr.

Wow that car is pretty god damn awful. I can't understand why anyone would do that to such a nice car. It looks damn well good enough as it is!

Look at the picture of the rear of the car. Notice any other Mustangs in trouble? Like the white convertible. :rolleyes:

Nobody has bid $25k on it yet. There's only been 1 bid, and the reserve (which hasn't been met to this time) is $25k.;)

ugggggghhhh....the more I look at it, the more I hate it. Its clearly overdone and tacky.

Any one with good taste would never buy that car. What the heck is up with the "gone in 60 seconds" on the rear valence and that other chicken scratch on the blower pipes?

I feel sorry for the seller, as I dont think hes gonna get any buyers for that abortion.

That is in the top 5 most ugly Mustangs I have ever seen. There is not one thing I see on that car that looks good.

What an amazing waste of time and money.

Take care,
~Chris

That's new one on me. The wing isn't too bad, as long as it's functional. Have you seen the American Iron cars and the wings they use?

The best I can say about that car is that it's different.

Speaking of the background! There is a red ricer behind the white ricer stang, and then there is another red "Saleen" conv't with an even worse ricer wing then the first on it. SHeesh.

Are you feeling ok? Maybe you should have another look before you make such a statement, just to be sure.

You're criticizing the guy for the wing, yet you're okay with the barbed wire that looks like Pep Boys decals, and the paint in the midsection that looks like a cross between snakeskin and skin disease?!?! :confused: :rolleyes:

The car overall is really...odd...to say the least. No wonder the dude's got people hating on him, he's obviously desperate for attention with no taste :D

its a new store...its called ricers R us...lol...

I can assure you it is not functional, not in any positive way...

my favorite part of the vehicle description was.....

"This Saleen has been tastefully customized by it's owner who is an expert painter."

......rrriiiiiiiggghhttt. looks like he went a tad overboard with the paint. as far as the spoiler goes, if dude is fast and his car's got downforce on the rear wheels then what's the big deal? besides, the spoiler can be changed a whole lot easier (and cheaper) than getting that horrible paint fixed.

Ok...why does everyone say this? Are you really unable to see exactly HOW TALL that spoiler truly is??? :eek: And I certainly hope you wouldn't condone reaching the high speeds to actually utilize the wing..........;)

No big deal, we're just grumbling over the "look at me"-ness of this poor Stang :D

OMG>... You idiots who are claiming downforce as a factor better check your physics book out of the library.

VERY few street mustangs would get even a "marginal" benefit from a "functional spoiler". We are NOT driving Formula 1 cars here..... Unless you AVERAGE triple digit speeds, don't even TALK to me about your "functional spoiler" or I'll beat you with it......

Geeze... do some ******* RESEARCH!!!!!

ok, so calling me (or anyone else) an idiot is the way to show maturity and solidifying your argument. settle down.

besides, i said "IF he's got downforce", i never said he had MaD dOwnForcEz yO!!! geez. and yes i know that you have to go pretty f-r-i-g-g-i-n fast to have a spoiler (even just a factory GT spoiler) "utilized". and no i won't do some research because i have better things to do with my time than study the exciting realm of the effects of spoilers on cars.

never said the spoiler was cool, sWeEt yO, or even close to tasteful. I said it wasn't "as bad" as the horrible paint job. maybe you should read first before you get all huffy and wanna beat me with it.

not all of us (especially me apparently) have an overwhelming knowledge of annoying facts to throw at people regarding moving objects such as cars. excuse the heck outta me.........

First of all, I have no idea who you even are. I was not attacking anyone in particular. If I had been, I surely would have told you that YOU were an idiot. So don't get so freakin touchy on me.....I ain't your beotch.....so don't take everything posted here to heart or you will wind up a very disturbed individual.

I was merely stating that if someone were bold enough to justify a wing such as the referrenced above, they better have some RESEMBLENCE of a statistic to back it up. If the basis of such a wing is simply, "The owner is tachy as ****," then so be it. However, taking a utilitarian stance warrants a request of proof. No one attacked your opinion here....if you think it's ugly, that's great. If you think it's gorgeous, that's great.

i really don't care who you were talking to, a spoiler is no reason to call someone an idiot, me or anyone else. i'm anything but touchy, but i really don't like being talked down to for no reason, especially over a stinkin spoiler.

they're just for looks anyway imo, nothing worth getting worked up about. if someone thinks that any spoiler creates enough downforce at 50mph to make a difference, let them. if you know alot about them, good for you, the average person doesn't think about it anyway.

bottom line, that Mustang is a giant peice of crap. how about that then?

Well not to get involved, but I don't think the outburst was over a spoiler per se...but there are people on here (and all over) who try to justify their extravagant mods with scientific or mechanical reasons...and its all bologna!

I gotta agree that its cool to just say "I like it" or "I hate it", but if you're going to state that there IS some function associated with a part, you should probably have something to stand on, ya know?

Well, the "spoiler" was not the cause of the term "idiot." It was the ascertation of it's functionality in defense of it's existence. Which, in most cases, should be backed up by some sort of detail.

Further, my statement was not intended to insult or offend anyone in particular. It was a blanket remark toward a general audience.....nothing more....and you DID take offense to it as illustrated in your past 2 posts.

Ahmen to that brother! :D

There actually was a test done with the SN Gt's. The car was 3 mph faster in the top without the spoiler. Porche's wail tails are functional at speeds over 45 mph for the older cars and at 75 mph plus for the new cars. But look at how they are shaped, just like an airplane wing.

That spoiler is useless and tasteless. You would only neet one as big as the Cobra wing to get max downforce for that car. The foil on the Cobra R was (I think adjustable) but still didn't NEED to be that big. Look at the spoilers on Nascar. How big do they really need to be?

If you thought it looked good for physics reasons or just apperance, then you are an idiot, IMO.

I think you all have too much time on your hands to argue about this.

:p :D :p :D Yup......:D

For a rear spoiler to be effective it needs to be big and up high so it is out of the disturbed air going over the surface of the car and it also needs to be properly designed as an airfoil. From there the downforce goes up as the square of speed. So unless it's big and ugly, it probably isn't doing much except spoiling lift in the back of the car at very high speeds to keep it from feeling light in the anus.
The sad thing about a lot of the FWD imports is that their ugly wings ARE quite functional, but the back end of a FWD is not where you really need the downforce... :rolleyes:

To just comment without having the fun of the debate seems like an even bigger waste of time :)

You sure about that?

Makes sense to me. What am I missing?

:confused:

Take care,
~Chris

Well, I thought that you had to be driving at high speed to have any real downforce from a spoiler or wing for it to be effective, like 100+ mph. Not gonna happen on a street car.

Also, the wing isnt for traction, but handling at high speeds, which aint gonna happen in the first place (see above), but if it did and was functional in that regard, why would being FWD or RWD make any difference?


What am I missing? You tell me.

You have good points, Chris, I was just asking.

:)

Take care,
~Chris

Yeah, like you didnt know :)

What made sense to you about the original remarks? After all, you said it made sense to you, but I dont make any sense out of it at all.

Well, any rear spoiler would create downforce, to some degree, on the backend of the car. Downforce on the backend would create lift on the front. Lift on the front would reduce traction. Yes? No? I dunno. I do know that wheelie bars are used on FWD cars to keep the weight transfer from creating downforce on the rear of the car for this same reason, so it just made sense to me that a rear spoiler on a FWD car seemed counter productive.

Take care,
~Chris

Well, were talking about the factory or aftermarket spoilers or wings on rice mobiles.

Someone said they were functional, and that the back of a FWD is not where you need the downforce, implying to me that the downforce was for traction. If not implying that, then why would downforce on the back be bad for a FWD car and not a RWD car?

It just makes sense to me that lift on the front would never be desireable during high speeds, regardless of the drive wheels. There are ways to spoil lift on the front of the car (spoilers, for example) to prevent it. The downforce on the back to keep the rear from sliding around would be counteracted by ways to keep the front of the car down with spoilers, wouldnt it?

And it is generally known to most people who consider themselves auto enthusists that wings or spoilers, factory or aftermarket, on street cars, are for looks and styling and have no functionality at all.

And the author was referring to street cars, as that was the subject,so keep that in mind.

Well, you were a in a Nascar Pit crew, you should know more about this then most. Maybe Im way off base...

later

I admit, I was thinking more along the lines of 1/4 mile racing. Still, let me take a shot at it.

FWD cars are at an immediate disadvantage in that the downforce on their driven wheels is lessened the first second that they are put in motion. This same principal applies more downforce to the driven wheels in a RWD car. Anyway, anything that would increase the downforce on the back of a FWD car would make the driven wheels much more likely to spin, rather than grab. On a RWD, forward bite would be strengthened with a rear spoiler, but steering might become jeopardized. So, add a front air dam, which would help keep the front down, and improve steering. If you added a front air dam to a FWD car, it would certainly help, but you would still be fighting the affect of the rear spoiler. They'd be working against each other. What benefit would there be in applying even more downforce to the rear of a FWD car?

Take care,
~Chris

If were talking about high speed driving where the effects of spoilers and air dams are a factor, like high speed oval track racing, is FWD traction even an issue?