Sure, whatever floats your boat buddy.

Like I said, do some research like everyone else on the net who wants to learn. It comes in the Celica All-Trac and the MR2. The engines come in RWD and AWD forms... not sure if any FWD ones were made in Japan.

Peace.

your telling me I can go buy a toyota here in the USA that has a 225 HP turbocharged 4 banger, and that I can crank up the factory boost very easily and get 300 HP?

Interesting, but I thought I would have heard of this. Are you sure your not having a "rice dream" or something?

Dude there is no reason for trying to start a flame war here. I have been totally civil and so have all the responders here. Do the research and leave the **** to hit the ceiling elsewhere.

I have seen the older years of this car around, here. But it is a Japanese car and Japanese engine. I know something that sounds that good is a little far fetched for a "farm dream" but research, research, research; I've given you all the basic info. I need to. But if you are that curious about it you can get the info. as easily as I can. I'm not going to do your homework for you. But if your sole intent is to try to be a dick, then you are on your own.

I think if the domestic market did some R&D on turbos, they could have some good engines built, once they get the reliability thing worked out. The 5.0 and up V8s are very refined engines after many years of tooling. I would definetly rank it up top with the best engines in the world. But times change, technology changes.

Good luck. I think I've said all I need to say here.

speedemn Just dont say any thing about this 2.0 that make 225+ stock........ I have Never heard about one..... O about the D50 I know a Guy with a turbo one and he did it for $$300 gets mid 13's on it so Just stut UP.

Just asking a question..no reason to get your panties in a wad.

I guess you took exception to the "rice dream" comment....lol..it was funny, but dont take it personally, no offence intended.

There's a right and wrong way to ask a question... seeing as this is a public forum and you do not know me. :)

As far as the comment I don't really care since I sure as hell ain't one of them, however I am the one that is in this discussion and you did direct the comment to me.

Hope I was able to answer your question. I hope to do more research on the topic when I get the swap done. We have a guy in Southern Cali that did the swap on his 1993 Toyota Camry. Just got it on the road last week... first engine of its kind to make it here.

There is a guy in Colorado that actually imports these engines. Who he sells them to I'm not sure since I am not aware of any other cars that have swapped this engine in.

I assume that there are more actual Celicas and MR2s in the US that do have this engine in them, than in Canada... newer models too.

Why cant you answer the question? Can I go and buy a Toy with a 225 HP 2.0 liter or can I not?

Its not a terribly difficult question for a Toyota expert such as youeself...or at least it shouldnt be.

If you read a little slower so you understand, I said earlier that I have found an importer of the engine in Colorado. I never said I wanted the car, hence I never looked for the car. But if you really want to look for one you could probably find one as well as I could.

... And no it is not difficult for anyone to find any car. I don't see why a Toyota expert would be the only one to be able to find a Toyota. Is that how limited Ford experts are in their abilities? :D

listen guys, I can solve this very easily and very quickly..

there is a maximum amount of HP/litre that can be extracted..

so obviously a 7 litre will have more potential than a 5.0 than will a 2.0

http://www.hardcore50.com/news.htm
this is huge HP ford block

http://www.toyota-supra.com/toyotasupra_carstories.htm
this is a huge hp toyota 2.0

we at mustangworks.com mod mustangs
those at toyotanation mod toyota's

to each his own, now, lets get back to the real topic on Mustangworks.com, SOUPIN' up our stangs for the race season' that is comin' up SOON !!!

Why not?

I'm not surprised, given your ability to form even remotely coherent sentences.

This is off-topic. The D50 has nothing to do with a Toyota which was the topic of discussion. I don't really want to ride on a lawnmower or weed-wacker from your maw's and paw's backyard that can do mid 13's.

Good point dude. That article talks about what I said earlier about the Supras swapping the 2.0.

You are completely right about what has more modding stability and that is what I said earlier about a bigger engine having to do less work than a smaller engine to put out the same power. Simple physics... or even math! haha... Finally someone with some brains here!

Spring's around the corner... heck its here! I can't wait! :D

I guess I thought it "unwise" to brag about a Toyota engine that you have to have imported and realistically cant even buy in the USA.

Who cares?


I guess I just missed where you were headed with this whole toyota engine thing?

I could re-read this post from the beginning, but I wont, because I really dont care....

I'm with Mach1. I think many here can agree with in that power is interesting wherever it is found. If there really is some 255 hp 4 banger toyota thats cool. To tell you the truth I wouldn't mind seeing it. Why don't you prove your point and find a link yourself and post it. Besides how much does this motor cost anyways. I mean I could point out 900 hp chevy crate motors out of summit magazine. They cost 15,000+. But who cares anyways.

you 2 nailed it right on I read the link and I Dont EVEN once see a 2.0 at all and Not a thing about 255hp out of the 2.2 that they are talking about. They Made a 427 with 500+hp in a few Ford cars STOCK But go and look for it...... Read up more before you post about a 2.0 that is 255HP I have yet to see a 2.0 only the 2.2 and not even close to a stock one at that.

Okay, try not to take this personally please... but do you guys not know how to use a search engine on the internet? I got home at 2am and went on google.com and did a 5 minute search and I found everything I needed to know and more about this engine and the cars it comes in.

Here's the answer. I was wrong in the first place, because this car IS available in North America. Yes MACH 1, you can go out and buy one. The Toyota MR2 Turbo and the Celica GT4 have the engine in it, stock.

Here's a site (one of MANY) outlining the specs of the engine: http://www.allwheelmotion.com/arvinfaq.htm. I'm surprised that even though I told you guys what to look for... NOT EVEN ONE of you was able to find it... oh-my-goodness, maybe your ISPs don't hook up to some of these sites through their search engines...... hmmmmmmmmm.... wait that's not it... whatever could it be???

Back to one point that Mach 1 made, about having to import the engine and that not being a feasible option, I have to say something. I live in Canada. I have ordered for example, my rear swaybar from Australia and it got here in 3 business days. I've also ordered parts like springs and struts and such from the US, and it has taken 5 weeks to get here! So as far as I am concerned I have to order out no matter what part I'm looking for, and it seems faster to order from Japan or Australia (in my example) than from the US which is my only other option. So I don't see your point of dismissing something just because you have to order it. That doesn't prove anything.

Now, I did mean all that with no offence intended and I think that is what you guys have been asking for me all this time due to your own inability to spent 5 min looking for it if you are truly curious (as your posts seem to indicate). Hope it helps. There is also an article that one of your own members posted in my defence. Read and believe be, there is a lot of information on this out there that you can dig up as easily as I can. But it seems like your sole purpose in this thread is to try to flame me just like a true ricer attitude.

Happy hunting.

First of all I would like to say that I appreciate the fact that we are able to have these discussions. Some of the import crowd can act immaturely(not that some of the domestic people don't).

Don't be frustrated that no one looked. We'e mustang people we don't really have any desire to search out a toyota motor. If you want to show us what exactly you were talking about thats great. Like I said I'd like to see it. But I'm not going to take the time to find it on my own.

SO, what was the original point of discussion?

:)

7000rpmsheaven... dude, I completely understand if this crowd isn't interested in looking up another motor. But if that is the case then why act that interested and pretend to want to know? Just the same, I don't really care about your baby 302s and big 502s or whatever the hell else is out there; but if I truly was as curious as some of you had lead me to believe then I would do the research no my own. Its basic english communication... if you are interested you ask, and can research. If you aren't interested don't ask just to be a pain-in-the-***.

It is surprising that this discussion did get this far (and far off topic) from what it was intended. But at least it was in a half-civil manner, considering the sensitivity of the topic, having both sides involved. But in my forum, as moderators and senior members we try to maintain some level of maturity in discussions like this. Riceboys are ones who turn it into a flame war. I do not subscribe to that kind of behaviour and sure as hell wouldn't expect it from folks like yourselves who have been around on forums like this for years and years with musclecars and truly are into performance. But I've seen some of your guys get a toe over that line. :) Hope that's the end of it and if any more discussions are to happen, they can continue in a civil manner.

I do hope that I was able to answer some of your questions (if some of that pretend interest was genuine). I am always open to discuss anything performance related with anyone, as long as we can be mature about it. I have a lot to learn and I'm sure nobody knows everything. That's what places like this are for.

Keep up the good work.

Peace.

well, your link doesnt work for one, and second of all, you said some guy in Colorado was selling these engines out of his garage or something? To me, thats a little bit different than ordering out of country from reputable source, and the reason for the comment, not that it ever matters at this point.

And 7000rpmisheaven hit it right on the head. If your telling us this info., why not back it up? If doing the search is so easy, why not do it yourself?

ST205 GT4 was released onto the market in 1994 and ran until 1999. It boasted more horse power than all the previous GT4's
1998cc
3S - GTE(name of the motor)
242HP@6000 RPM
0-60MPH 6.6sec.
8.5:1
Running 10.8PSI

there was 255HP one But only a very few were made (like a corba R)

Take the period (.) off the end of the link numb-nuts. :D Now I see why you are reluctant to do Internet research.

And like I said you can buy the car here... MR2 Turbo and Celica GT4... only JDM engines need to be ordered.

I did take the period off, and it still didnt work, dildo breath

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ROTFLMAO :D

Typical for a non-Mustang owner to come onto a domestic website and start name calling...I really respected your argument before, but calling someone numb nuts because they don't agree with you and picking on their typographical errors doesn't belong on this board. So grow up or get out.

Thanks Belle, I couldnt agree with more..:)

reeoowww FFFTT!!

if those names would bother someone and their that childish, then that person has a self-asteem problem. they're just names for cryin out loud. i've been called worse and i'm not going to commit suicide. not saying it's right, just saying it's not that big a deal.

Um...this has nothing to do with self esteem TOD. It has to do with maintaining an atmosphere that people can openly discuss their opinions without having to wade through immature BS. I might get feisty when I don't agree with someone, but I don't muck up the thread by calling them a poopy head or something of the like :rolleyes:

oh lord :rolleyes:

look, i never said it WAS about self asteem BELLE. i was just making a general statement. i think it's more mature to just ignore someone that gets in my face, but oh well.

Oh geez calm down Belle... there was absolutely no disrespect meant by it. You think I took offence to "dildo breath" (whatever that means)???

The comment had nothing to do with HIS syntax or typo. It was to do with MY URL that I posted earlier at the end of which I had a period, which got tagged as part of the URL and hence didn't work. Please read prior to creating an outburst like that.

Its called a sense of humour... which I guess would be more appropriate if it is directed to a friend for example would wouldn't take things so personally. But I don't see why there is this big distinction between import and domestic drivers posting on the same forum, as long as we are all car enthusiasts. If you feel that the discussion was good upto that point, that shouldn't make a bit of difference.

Just as Tod said, chill out.

What's the deal? Outburst? LOL :D Yall are making a big fuss out of a comment I had about manners? :confused: Get a grip!!

The reason I even brought it up was because of a recent thread in the Windsor Forum that COMPLETELY went up in a huge flame bc of the same BS...most of us know which one that was :rolleyes:

I don't care how yall feel toward each other, heck tear yourself to pieces for all I care. I simply stated that I think its dumb for adults to call each other names...and Tod I'm entitled to have my opinion on manners, just like Speedemn is entitled to think that Mach 1 is a dildo breath ;) :D

You have that backwards Belle, Im numb nuts and he is dildo breath. Come on girl, keep it straight....

belle is right
 

belle is right name calling is uncalled for. The reason is that you can not tell what a person is implying by the letters they type. Unless they say that they are joking you can't really know if they are serious or not. Speedemn I initially thought your comment was meant to be offensive. I mean you are fairly new here, and the topic was a sensitive one.

Im not trying to tell anyone how to act. Just giving my opinion.

LOL point taken :D

Why did you come over to this board anyways? Was it simply to argue that a 2.0L motor that has to be imported by some guy in Colorado is better than the 302 or any kind of American engine. When you come to a Mustang/American oriented website you should be prepared to encounter a little thing called BIAS. Plus name calling on the Internet is dumb because we can't hear your tone of voice to know if you were being sarcastic or if you were serious. Grow up.

well, this topic has 6 pages so far, almost full....let's see if everyone can call each other enough names to fill out to 10. That would be impressive :D .

Oh...and i thought the name calling was all in good fun, and rather funny as well :D but then again i'm childish

the only thing about name calling on the computer is that you don't know if it is all in good fun. I agree name calling can be fun with your friends but you know them and you are just joking with them Here you don't know that. But whatever;)

Uncle Ben's
 

Hey, do you guys have any idea how much crap I have to listen to when I go into a shop. "Yo yo yo, whassup, why yo ride look so vanilla ???" Then I pop the hood and enjoy the momentary silence as they try to catch their breath. ;)

move to australia... lol we love our supercharged V6's n V8's and our RX's n Skylines alike...

Honda drivers not welcome... :D come to think of it any FWD ricer car driver.

I read this thread and I'd like to include my opinon. Some of you guys mentioned that the ricer thing is a fad. I'm afraid I have to disagree with it. They already have several companies dedicated to making and selling parts for their cars. Their are shops that specialize in their cars. Magazines like Summit and Jegs have dedicated sections of their mags for these cars. Their are four racing series for these cars. It's not fad, people. It's the newest wave in cars today. I'm not a fan of it either. The fashions, music, the whole rice boy lifestyle. It's something that none of us are interested in.

I don't have a problem with owning or driving an import. If any of you guys have read my signature, then you know that I've done it before. Some imports are very dependable vehicles, which is why people own and drive them. It's just the people that rice them out with the wings, stickers, fart cans, wings, etc. It's the kids that think that since their car's got all that junk on it that they can take on anybody next to them.

Their's my 2.1232 cents.

Daniel.

Hey Funky Monkey, what are those Ford Falcons like? They look like there cool cars.

Daniel.

you guys don't have the ford falcons? omg... no Xr6's n XR8's running around? woah... Falcons are like bread n butter australian family car... well that and the Holden Commodore.

They're good cars, bit sluggish, but nice, not particularly fond of the new look one that just came out, (coz it looks like an integra grafted onto the old falcon) and no one wants something that looks like a honda.

Why is everyone so obsessed with imports on this forum??? This is the only mustang message board I browse through that has so much useless, although entertaining at times, content about "ricers" and imports in general... what happened? :confused:

I can understand why certain individuals get frustrated and claim to leave this forum, for good... yet they still manage to show up in various threads.

edited to add: I can appreciate the entertainment, however. :D

Then I would have to disagree with you Dan-Man. This "rice" crap is a fad....
There are auto enthusiasts (Domestic and Import), and there are "ricers" (Domestic and Import)

A 'ricer can drive anything made by anyone... the term just originated that way because the majority of these idiots were driving imports at the start of this whole "scene".

It IS a fad... (The outrageous paint jobs, the 16 huge fog lamps, the blow-off valve noise makers, the fake intercoolers, the tri-plane wing, the bazooka tube diguised as an NOS bottle... I could go on and on)
This stuff will go out of the window the same time as sideways hat wearing and jeans 10 sizes too big go out of style.....

These idiots are laughed at by true import enthusiasts just as much as we laugh at them.

Now there was a point made by someone about domestic reliability still not being on par with run of the mill Japanese imports... I'm afraid I must disagree.... With just BASIC maintenance both my 83 and my 88 5.0 have gone well over 150k miles and are still kicking just fine. I don't see any more 83 Hondas than I do 83 Fords on the road. (And we were still wayyyy behind the imports in reliability during the 80's) But nowadays I see absolutely nothing to convince me that a 2002 Honda or Mitsubishi is any more reliable than a 2002 Ford or Chevy....

As far as the I-4 engine that was discussed....
When you start out with a small bore and 4 cylinders, you absolutely RELY on boost. You have to use forced induction to get comparable numbers with a modern domestic V-8.
Now if that's the route you like, have fun....
I've seen a lot of half-assed import guys at the track throwing money at Civics and such. Turbos, big hits of NOS, and front slicks. Some will run pretty quick until their engine grenades.... and boy do they grenade. Just keep increasing that boost guys, those stock Civic internals will do JUST FINE.....

Can you get the right combination on a small 4 with lots of boost to get insane numbers? Sure you can. It's all about money and patience..... Just like domestics.... The problem is that most of the "import enthusiasts" we see on the roads aren't enthusiasts at all.... they're posers that don't know the difference between a fuel pump and a fuel pressure regulator.

Speedemn, I don't know how it is in Canada, but here in the states, there is 1 "true" import enthusiast for every 30 "rice" boys. I am not kidding... It IS that bad. In many areas, the "true" enthusiasts are the minority, especially on the import side.
That is why many of us tend to unfortunately group you guys in sometimes.

I'll sum up with a quote from 95MustangGT: