Ricer Friends
 

Well the other day we (my friends) were standing in the hallway waiting for the tone to get to class. Well my one friend pulls out a magazine, I figure it was a skatboarding magazine because he likes to skate, but no it is a RICER MAG!:rolleyes: anyways he is talking all high and mighty about the CIVICS . ACCORDS and all the other crud... He is flipping thourgh i say "THERES A CAR" (mustang) he says "THAT!?" and laughs
I try and go along with his FaSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSt cars. what is the Facination with BRIGHT GREEN .ORANGE, Yellow cars that sound like a bee hive?. i'm 15 and i cant stand imprts . well MOST RICED out ones anyways.
Well Long point short WHY OH WHY do ricers have an influence on people so young? .

I know it is mind Boggling :confused:



NiK

That is an excellent question that has been bothering many of us for a long time.

I keep my distance from them due to my age and dislike for them, but since you are up close to them, maybe you can figure out what makes them tick.

I think they are convinced american cars are junk, but this still doesnt explain thier fascination with neon colors, stickers, and fart pipe exhaust systems?

Im stumped.,

good luck, let us know what you discover.

It's a fad, just like lowrider trucks were when I was in highschool. I see a few lowriders around now, but not many. I sure hope the rice thing is the same way in a few years.

Since I'm 19, I have found out that must of it is because they are so good on gas. Since most of us don't have much money, little gas is good for us. It started out with a daily driver car untill some cheep beaten down Camro pulls next to it, and so they race. The rice guy then wants the best of both worlds, good gas and speed. Too bad they'll never get it.

I belive the reasons hondas attract the younger crowd has to do with the ability to expess themselves and be noticed using their car as their medium (that works alot) the cars are cheap and usually get great gas milege.
One of my best friends absolutly LOVES chevys and hondas. She hates fords but swallows her pride since I like mustangs, I also tolerate hondas for her sake.
I have concidered buying a new Honda Accord v-6, they are quick front wheel (which I need right now) and have the 4 door option =lower insurance:p

Its not really the car that bugs me its the attitude of the driver

This is a good post that i can really relate to because i'm one of about 2 or 3 friends that even likes domestic cars (out of over 10 who are absolute car nuts, 3 of which for some reason like volkswagens...ugh....which makes any form of conversation about cars pointless). And am the ONLY one who likes mustangs. I only have 1 friend that actually likes and drives fords as much as i do.

Anyways, most are into the ricer crap and "fast and the furious" which they absolutely love.....ugh.... I absolutely have NO idea why they like that type of modified car. But as stated previously by 91GTturbo, i think it's just a trend that will fade away slightly over time. I think most of my friends are into those cars because it's the "in" thing and that it's "cool" to own one of those cars. I also think it's because it's a "new" trend and musclecars and V8 domestics are "old" or whatever.
To each his own, i guess.

I love how the rice rangers talk about poor reliability in American cars, then mod their imports until they are totally unreliable and still get spanked my a Stang.

Makes you feel good dont it.

Brad

It's just pure stupidity that goes threw these ricers. They don't have a clue on what's going on. I'm 17 and I got my group of friends that are into Muscle but most of our other friends are into the Honda's. You try talking about cars with them and they are lost before you hit the engine. They just like the flashy colours and such. They think if it looks fast it must be, a ricer friend of mine with a Del Sol came over Saturday after work and I started my car up for him, he knew no Honda could stand up. Not saying I can beat every Honda but I'll take any ricers with his car all lite up, and a big *** wing.

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Same reason baby and kid toys are brightly coloured. To keep there simple minds amused.

They do it for the look. They grew up playing Gran Turismo and they want their cars to look like the fast cars in the game. It has nothing to do with performance. It is all on the surface, the wings, fart pipes, stickers etc is all surface clutter to try to make their car look and sound faster. I once saw an ad for a fake blow-off valve so you could have the psssssss sound from a turbo without having a turbo. Can you imagine. Surface cheese.
the imports you want to watch are just like the Mustangs you have to watch, the one someone took the time and effort to make truly faster (BUT Never as fast as a Mustang).
KG88GT

The life a ricer...
 

Yep, it's like what 1969Mach1 and KG88GT were saying.

Look at the age of the average ricer. Then look at how much they really know about cars. Then look at how much they actually work on their own cars. Then look at how many of them actually BOUGHT their own cars or even OWN their own cars. You'll see a trend that they are young and clueless.

At the young ricer age, they work at jobs earning minimum wage, can't wait to "fix up" their cars with a "quick" fix without consideration of what the heck a true sports/muscle car is, and just have enough money to buy stupid, worthless trinkets and doodads for their cars: A shiny, $20 3" diameter exhaust tip, cheap stickers, cut their springs, window tint, cheap Auto Zone neon lights, fog lights, seat belt pads, window banners, etc. They play Gran Tourismo (which is one of the best games in the world, BTW) but forget it is a game and that it actually takes a great amount of money to make almost any economy car quick/fast (and I mean at least 13.5 or faster in the 1/4).

They hang around older ricers who previously walked the same shameful path who influence the young ricers and affirm the ricology in the minds of the young ricers. Then when the young ricers get better jobs that pay more, a driver's license, their own car, or whatever, they go for the major ricities: ricer rims, gigantic spoilers/wings (jungle gyms), outrageous paints schemes, outrageous ground effects, etc-- things they assume (or have been told by the elder ricers) would make their car Faaaaasssst. By the time they figure this out, their minds are so currupted by the ricers gone b4 them-- the ricer elders-- that the sad, dispicable trend continues. They are assured in their own minds that all HOndas are Fast and Furious and all domestics are old news.

Seldom can you reason with a ricer; his mind has been bleached void of all reason and his lack of wisdom is a chain about his neck and shackles about his feet. We can only hope to guide the minds of young ricers towards the realm of the true muscle/sports car way b4 it is too late and he has crossed into elder ricership, for at that point, there is no recourse.... Or we could just keep smokin them, from stoplight to stoplight, day by day, until the scales from their eyes are melted away, giving way to the precious light of true Muscle car ideology.

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!

that was the best said thing i think ive ever red foxbody!!!!!

Nice....real nice!

Great post Fox-body!

I really enjoyed that fox body. I will never understand how this all came about though. I will never understand it. (Follow the heard just another cow). That is all i can think of it as. People always claim that they want to be different but then just want to do what everone else is doing.

It,s that damn rap music!
honda sucks!
rice boys suck

Foxbody you should make that one of those e-mail chain letters.

"Send this message to as many ricers as possible. If you don't send this message to at least 10 ricers in the next five minutes you will have bad luck for a year." :p

I think you guys make a lot of valid points about "ricers." However it seems like you are making a blanket statement just by looking at a very small proportion of the import scene.

Yes, the stigma associated with young kids is sometimes true. Their mommy and daddy buy them a car and they have no clue what to do but try to make it aesthetically similar to what they've seen in bs movies like The Fast and the Furious. The result is sometimes ugly, unreliable, ugly and ugly! Even another import tuner will tell you that. But the same can be said about kids who drive certain domestics like Neons, Cavaliers and Sunfires. Another note is that most of those imports are just Hondas!

However there is a whole world of imports out there that are totally different. A lot of Toyotas and Nissans just to name a couple are very mod-worthy cars and are owned by a lot of knowledgeable people who know what to do and how to do it. And yes, many of those cars can spank Mustangs around any day (God forbid, right?) :rolleyes:

I just think that it is quite narrow minded to pick on maye a small 10% of the import owners population and beat that dead horse over and over again to reassure yourself that what you are doing is better or correct. I can pick just as many examples of truly riced out Neons and Cavaliers and Focuses (Foci???) and beat that topic dead about how those kids think they are Vin Diesel and have modded their car to do a 19 ec 1/4 mi from the stock 22 sec 1/4 mi thinking that they now rule the streets with their blue windshield washer nozzles and fake dual exhausts.

My point is that there are idiots and people in the know in both the import and domestic scene. Being ignorant about the whole thing doesn't really serve any purpose.

BTW I drive a Toyota and my best friend drives a 94 Mustang GT. We have respect for each others' cars and help each other out all the time. Please do not attach the Honda riceboy image to all import drivers. :cool:

I visit this board occasionally for tips and tricks on little things like oil, gas, blah, blah since its been around for so long that almost everything has been talked about! :) Keep up the good work on this board.

I am just going to but a Honda and a chevy, that was I will cover all bases and no one can say I am biased!!!! LOL :D :rolleyes: :cool:

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"My point is that there are idiots and people in the know in both the import and domestic scene. Being ignorant about the whole thing doesn't really serve any purpose."


The "ricers" that most of us speak of are the idiots that you are talking about. Everyone knows that you can make any car fast. And everyone has there own opinion. Most people here respect a person that builds a fast car, import or not.

Most import drivers seem to forget the fact that there is no replacement for displacement. Thats the root of my attitude towards ricers.

None of us who mod imports "forget" that there is no replacement for displacement. Toyota just doesn't have an engine bigger than 3.0L in their cars for reasons that we do not know. I'm sure if we had it our way we'd have a V8 Camry pushing 300HP, but then what's Lexus gonna do? :D

So we make the best of what we have and from what I've seen many people have done a great job with that. If you consider only stock cars, our 3.0L Supra TT will at worst be on par with even your Cobra-R, whether its an auto or 6-spd Supra we're talking about. Seems like Toyota doesn't really have a reason to build larger displacement engines to achieve power.

Yes I will admit that your 5.0L will be much more efficient and robust AFTER mods since it has a greater capacity to grow into... meaning your cylinders carry a lesser load per cylinder. But the bottomline remains that there are many engines of lesser displacements (eg. Supra, Skyline, Celica/MR2 All-Trac) that will match and beat what a 5.0 has to offer.

I don't want to start a flame war. You seem like a very respectably knowlegable person.

Take the supra for example. I will not argue that it will run with if not beat a cobra r. But a turbo charger will significantly increase displacement. I will not argue over who will win but the displacement thing is really a pet peave of mine.

Thank you... and No question of a flame war here. Leave the flame for the whopper at Wendy's :D There is no problem with having a mature discussion though.

But I can see what you mean. If I drove a domestic high displacement engine I too would be bothered by the fact that cars with half my engine size want to be at the same level as me! :) But the fact of the matter is, as you too realize is technology has allowed us to do many unconventional things.

Domestic 5.0, 5.7, etc were the beginning of it all... simple musclecars with just raw power... but now with technology we have forced induction and turbo engines like the Supra and Porsche that sort of shatter the old conventional, big engine, big power routine.

I personally think its great to have variation and so many options that way. Stock for stock you, as well as I can see what the numbers are. Its not all about displacement anymore.

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"I personally think its great to have variation and so many options that way. Stock for stock you, as well as I can see what the numbers are. Its not all about displacement anymore. "

It is about displacement. with forced induction whichever way you do it, supercharging, turbocharging, and also nitrous. these all increase the theoretical displacement. If you think that a n/a 3.0 supra and a TT 3.0 Supra have the same displacement then you are missing my point.

I, too, want to confirm that we are talking about RICE...did we even once mention imports that are truly FAST? No.

I've been spanked by a Civic before in the Mustang..a little 95 gray snatchback that I spied at the track the next weekend running a 12.2..and that was over 2 years ago.

I really love my Honda...but I would never mod it. Most people like to modify a car to make it faster correct? Then why start with a dog like my Civic??? A Supra or a Rx7...totally understandable. A Sentra? Sure, you can make ANYTHING fast...but at what cost? I've seen the amount of money that people invest to make something like a Neon run faster...to HANG with a fox body GT or a Camaro that would have cost THOUSANDS less...I guess that's what I don't understand...WHY purposely start with a lesser base? :confused: Yeah, lemme buy a Kawasaki ZX6e and try to make it as fast as a ZX6r....riiiiiiiight.

I had a V6 Mustang and I toyed with it, but I NEVER tried to make it fast..that's plain retarded. I just waited until I got a faster car. I guess part of modding a econo car is to be "different"...lemme tell yah its pretty hard to be different with a PRODUCTION CAR. I figure for the money you spend on that 4 cyl to make it run 13-14s, you could have made your V8 run 13s-12s, AND redo the interior ;)

I'll always think little Civics hauling *** are cute as heck, but a big waste of money for the end result...BUT...to each their own :)

Whats all this crap about sticking up for ricers?

A ricer to me is....well, you all know what a ricer is.

I guess my point is if a dude rice's out a Ford Focus, hes still a ricer in my book.

I dont think a person has to drive an import to be a ricer, as there are many import drivers that dont "rice it up", as was pointed out.

Theres nothing wrong with taking a toyota or honda and modifying it for power if thats the brand of car you like. However, there is NO REASON to put fart pipes, stickers, and big wings on them. That is the difference between a ricer and a "car enthusiast"

small cubes and power adders were the future at one time, due to emmisions, gasoline conservation, blah, blah, blah...but who knows anymore..who thought they would be building v-10s?

I know a lot of the younger crowd think a 302 is a big bad engine, but its not. Its a small engine, one of the smallest v-8's ever made. A good engine that can make power and responds well to mods, but in the big picture, still a small engine.

So, your point has mo merit. Your eithier riced out your car or you didnt, doesnt matter who made the car.

And we will continue to pick on the clueless that take this route, because its the right thing to do..:)

I don't care who makes the engine, but bigger IS often better. Yes the 5.0 is older technology, but Ford has jumped into the "new age". That is what the 4.6L SOHC and DOHC engines did.

You can through 20 psi from a turbo on a Supra, but guess what? Through 20 psi from a turbo on the 4.6L DOHC in a Mustang Cobra, and see where we stand.

Rice is not who drives Toyota or Ford or Chev or Honda.

RICE IS AN ATTITUDE



and most ricers drive imports :)

Thanks guys for the compliments. :)

On a side note: How did this thread come to this? Maybe because of kystang86's statement. But folks, we are talking about ricers here. Not imports, ricers . There is a difference. A ricer can drive anything, even cattle. Let's keep with the subject shall we.

Exactly!

That was sort of what I was getting at as well... big indeed is ideal... but not "often better" anymore. You can see that within your own production line. But the fact remains that while comparing across lines, you don't find an import racecar with such huge displacements because they achieve the same power through other techniques with smaller displacements... Lexus IS300, Supra TT (both 3.0L I6 engines), Nissan Skyline (I think an I6 engine), Porsche (2.x - 3.x L I6?) None of those cars come close to domestic musclecar displacements, yet most of them are faster stock.

Moving away from stock, its all a matter of who has deeper pockets. But here's a point to note: It is generally cheaper to mod a Mustang, however boosting a Supra TT to 20psi costs almost nothing... putting a 20 psi turbo kit on a 4.6L Mustang will cost you a whole lot more... win/win for Supra there... power as well as cost.

Exactly! That was all I wanted people to realize... and to quit making blanket statements about "all imports." I personally have been a big fan of the Trans Am for years, until I actually test drove one... power was definetly there, but it was a piece of **** that I wouldn't even buy if someone offered me a brand new one at half price.

Imports still stand lightyears ahead in terms of quality although I will admit that domestic cars are quickly narrowing the gap; some with the help of Germany. But still no cigar.

That was my point... they were stereotyping all imports to be ricers... never mentioned the truly fast ones that AREN'T glittery and all stickered up.

Here I COMPLETELY AGREE with you. If someone intention is to build a fast car, why not start with a fast car that is meant to be built up that way. Hence, there are a lot of imports to respect just as much as Mustangs, Camaros and Firebirds.

However, one thing to keep in mind is that if someone was in the market for a car with $x, they could either spend $x on a non-sporty import and $y on mods to make that import fast. This $x+y amount could get quite high. I am sure that they have the sense to realize that they would have been able to take that initial $x and buy a foxbody Mustang, and mod it up to a 12 sec car and probably still have money left over from $x. But why didn't they do that? The answer is because they also want quality. I'm sure that majority of you guys who mod a real race Mustang, also drive a second car as a daily driver, like a Ford minivan or something. :D But first and foremost I think the reason is quality, luxury and reliability.

I am confident (many people would disagree with me here) that the newer versions of domestic cars will probabably last as long as any import and be just as trouble free. But to date, no domestic has shown those traits yet, so imports will still be up ahead as far as having all the qualities of reliability and power potential... maybe not as powerful as a bare bones Mustang + $5000 in mods, but they feel that a little more money spent in mods, is worth the extra quality that they get overall.

need to know...
 

would u guys consider me a ricer if i modded my 93 toyota pickup? i mean a turbo, exhaust, and maybe lower it a little with 17's. ilove toyotas. i have 3 toy trucks. they are great trucks! now for those that dont know much about toyota trucks, i will tell you that from the factory, they put turbos in them. so i wouldnt be going the extra mile if i had a turbo engine under the hood. im not talking ground scraping, butt-booming, fart can sounding Japanese truck, but a little toy with some ponies under the hood. and yes, i thought of dropping a 5.0 motor in it!!

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A properly modded car, no matter what kind of car it is, is definetly not rice.

What kind of pickup do you have? I think I can lend you a hand with some ideas there.

And yes, dropping a 5.0 motor in it would be quite nice, if you can figure out a way to work the engine mounts and brackets... a fair bit of labour involved I'd say. But there are good Toyota engines you could put in there to give you what you are looking for. I need to know what type of truck you got though.

its a regular cab 2wd. i put 4x4 fenders on it and got it repainted. i know alot about toyota trucks. i have done alot of research on them. advance adapters make the mounts for the Ford 5.0. the hardest part would be the exhaust. i have seen it done. thanks speed.

No problem man.

As far as engine, another option you should consider is the Toyota 3S-GTE engine. Its only a 2.0L I4, but its a turbo. There are Supra Twin Turbos in Japan who rally race, that swap out their engines for this one because it is lighter and the boost is adjustable just as easily if not easier. It is an iron block so it is quite rock solid. Mid 20lbs boost is just a 30 sec, free mod. :) There are slightly modded 3S-GTEs that are upwards of 500 HP. Some of the more heavily modded ones are as high as 800 HP, but I doubt you'd need anything that strong.

I'm not too familiar with Toyota trucks... what model is your truck?

it is just a 2wd toy pickup. has the 22re motor. what else do you want to know?

Oh 22re. I think I have a mental pic of the truck now. They are relatively light aren't they? You should be able to surprise a few people after putting a bit of power under the hood.

Go custom for exhaust. It doesn't take a good shop much to blueprint your exhaust system and design a custom cat-back at least, for you... straight pipe and mandrel bent around the corners.

srv1 and speedemn, not to interupt but srv1 you mentioned your modded truck. and the "rice version" you described fits perfectly with the high school driven, brightly painted, clear markered, loud sound systemed light pickups that are getting more and more common in my area. this not only is annoying but disturbing.

i knew a guy from indiana who knows more about engines (his specialty was chevy) who had a truck he's been messin with for a couple of years, getting parts from the autoparts shop he works at and junk yards here and there. i heard him describe it and it sounded like he had done some heavy stuff to it. i kept wondering how he got that big an engine into what sounded like a very small engine compartment. but when he drove it to a ball tournament recently in indiana, i saw first hand what a modded light mid-sized pickup is supposed to look and sound like. bright yellow, performance tires, what looked like 3" or 4" dual exhuast making a sound i only dream my '94 GT will sound like one day. and to top it off inside he had two bucket seats from a Corvette!! he has since tubbed the back end and added bigger tires. it looked mean and fast yet very classy and not overdone.

just thought i'd share my experience on how i was shown first hand that just because something other than a sports car is fast, doesn't mean i shouldn't give it serious props and respect. anyone can make anything go fast. it's just depends on $$$ and free time. not to mention a large amount of determination.

heheh Tod, we don't really see many modded trucks here in Canada... at least I haven't crossed paths with that group yet... but I bet the SVT Lightning sounds pretty sweet too. I saw an mpeg of the 2001 and wow I was blown away... sounded even better with my sub turned up! haha

I agree with you, but I feel that dumping a lot of money into a high performance car is not a wise investment, and you will never get your money back out of it. So, this is why I choose to mod a car like the mustang, because they are cheap and easy.(and also im a ford man)
However, if you have deep pocket books, theres nothing wrong with modding a nice jap car if you do it right,

A guy I work with has a 300zx and he must have $30,000 in mods in the car. the car is sweet and very fast, however I think he took a secong mortgage on his house to do it. Not the best money management ....:)

Very true and I agree with it all... except... what's with your friend and his 300ZX??? lol... he better be at least making money on the track or at shows with that car after putting that much money into it!

Bet its damn fast though.

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Tod, my truck has only one mod to it. it has 4x4 fenders! thats all. i dont understand if your assuming my truck as the "annoying" type. it has stock speakers (2,4"), stock everything! wait, im sorry, it has a Dnyomax super turbo muffler on it, but that is all. i dont consider my truck as "modded". i dont like trucks that scrape. not my style. it is repainted to the stock factory color Cardinal Red. i dont have a pic yet, but i will show you soon. it has 14" chrome smoothies on it. they came of my friend Monte when i was in college. its not lowered either. Tod, help me out. i dont really understand where you are coming from.

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rereading my post i can understand your confusion with what i said. i mean to say that the "typical" high-school punk is driving the lowered, brightly-painted crap. not necessarily you in perticular. ok not at all you. my friends truck was the culmanation of alot of hard work and determination, as i'm sure you have. i was merely stating my distain for those that consider a "nice vehicle" to have chrome rims, bright paint schemes and fart pipes. again not you or the hundreds of thousands of people that share your passion and knowledge of engines and trucks/cars. i had no idea of the mods (or lack thereof ;)) that you had on your truck, i just wanted to share my encounter with the finished product of someone who worked hard at what he loved, which was a 400+ hp midsized shortbed truck.

again i apologise for not making myself clear.

Yes they Can be a fast Car Like in some of the mags BUT IT will take a big wallet to do it I mean a 2.0 to get 300HP out of yes it will be faster then most Other Cars out there BUT a 5.0 to get 500 Is MUCH MUCH EZer to do Less money to do so also.
Next they dont pick A fast 4cly most of the time a Honda Come on My brother has a Conquest/Starion same car they made then from 83-89 Well he is workin going on it and Well for the same he is spending about 2000 on it and It will be a MUCH faster car than it is now. He is not a rice and in fact most ricer poeple Dont like the Conquest. Why is that the car is a high 15's stock About the same speed as most Other Ricer cars BUT is much less to modify than many 4cly cars And it can be FAST. I think it might be partly to do with the Very Low Reving motor 5800 is Pushing it deep tone it has for a 4cly car, and the fact that it is Rear wheel drive might be part too. For $2,000 should be a good For a Low 13 in the 1/4.

I disagree. The 4-cyl engine I was suggesting to the Toyota truck buddy to swap in. Here's some specs:

2.0L inline-4 (iron block)
225 HP - 255 HP stock (depending on the year you get)
Cast iron block

Want 300 HP? Takes 10 seconds and your index finger and thumb and $0. That sure costs less than making a 5.0 500HP which you said wsa $2000. :-) (okay maybe more than 10 sec if you want to do it carefully. haha)

The secret is that it is a turbo engine right off the factory production line. Top of the line intercooler, engine internals, etc. That is what it was meant to do. We have a guy in our club in Southern California that actually swapped that engine into his 1993 Toyota Camry. He just got it on the road last week and we're waiting on numbers. He's the first in North America to do the swap. I'm hoping to be #2. :D

I think I mentioned this before. In Japan, rally Supra TTs swap THEIR twin turbo engine out for this engine because it is that easy to turn the boost up AND it is lighter and able to achieve the same power or pretty close to the TT engine. You could say that turning up boost on a turbo is like increasing the displacement which is effectively what is happening there, but bottomline is still that you paid for a 2.0L engine and modded it to 300+ HP with no cost. :)

I have ne clue what you are talking about I never ment to talk to you about any thing Just about Ricer poeple. I did not read any thing about what ever you are talking about I will read it up right now.

I dont Know Crap about the Toy 2.0....... get a D50 With a 2.6 and get a turbo on it and then you will have fun. I have never hears about this 2.0 motor with over 225HP what did it come in???

It is a Toyota engine. Why would I bother with a D50 when I'd probably spend more to get it mounted than the parts itself?

Do a search on the web... 3S-GTE is the engine code. Its been around for over 10 years. Latest edition with ST205 intercooler I think, is 255HP at stock boost. I will be researching more on it when I am closer to actually doing the swap. Those are the JDM (Japanese Domestic Market) engine numbers. The US version of the engine is slightly weaker. Happy hunting.

Your discussion had 2 parts. :-)

As far as ricers go, it is an attitude and NOT reserved to imports by any means. There might just be more ricers modding imports (Honda specifically) than any other import or domestic. But like I said earlier, please do not group all import tuners in the same breath as Honda (ugh) drivers. I think we all came to that conclusion a long time ago. You're just a little late. :)

To turbo a D50 Is VERY EZ 600 will get you the parts froma Junk Yard. New EX Intake Turbo and TB and a ecc But any how.

SO what car does it Come in this Toy motor????????