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You're right on quite a few points, but in your last paragraph you tripped over a big misconception. Harley owners (the ones I know) aren't trying to race ricers. That's what's so funny. I also find it amusing how someone could interchange the word Harley with Mustang, and this thread could be right off of a Civic message board. I really hope that someday you get to understand why I love Harleys. I think you will, but who knows. 1BAD89 brought up a point I hadn't even thought about, which is where he lives, the ricer kids don't wear helmets. Here, it's the opposite. Kids will spend a fortune getting a matching helmet and leathers that look more like Walt Disney threw up. They spend more on matching outfits than their girlfriends do. It's just the trend, I guess. BTW, the EVO was loosly built around the Shovelhead, which was all Harley. Porsche took Harley's design, and got it to stop leaking oil! it wasn't that Harley couldn't figure it out, Harley was almost bankrupt. The worst thing that ever happened to them was getting bought out by AMF. The AMF bikes, stock, were junk. My Shovelhead was a '74, but the frame was an old rigid, and the bottom half of the engine was an old Panhead. It was a very cool bike. Anyway, AMF ran Harley into the ground. They sold Harley snow mobiles and golfcarts, for christ's sake! When Harley was finally able to buy themselves back from AMF, things changed. Harley has built some very solid, beautiful bikes since then. Every Jap company now has at least one wannabe Softtail. They didn't have any money to take on the world on their own, and they did enlist the help of Porsche. The result was the very first Harley engine that didn't leak oil (too bad Ford can't say the same for the 302). There were other great features, but you wouldn't be able to appreciate them. That's cool. You might want to look into the VROD, though. It's going to do some real ricer spanking. I could care less, but you guys might. For the record, I used to ride ricers. My first bike was an RD400 Daytona Special. That was a fun first bike. I had a VF1000R, too. Then there was my '82 YZ250. That was really the last year that Yamaha built the best dirt bikes. I always wore a full face helmet off road, and always wore a leather jacket, and often chaps, on my Harley. I was into safety, and am still here to tell about it. After a while, I just got sick of all the plastic, and that they weren't any fun to cruise around on. If you weren't on a mission, riding ricers was a waste of time, for me. The local Hells Angels chapter became very close friends, and I realized just how silly the biker image was. The funniest part was that it wasn't us who were builing that image. It was everybody else. I didn't act tough, I was just me, but people let their imaginations run wild, and we all got a kick out of it. Those were some of the best years of my life, and I wouldn't trade them for anything. I'll build another one one of these days, and then I'll put it out to Minnesota and see if I can save you measly arse! Hehehe. You're alright for a gearhead. 5.0 HO- Don't even waste my time. C-Ya ------------------ Retired Moderator MustangNet My site: Peckerwoods Pit Stop My teams site: Jim Porter Racing RACECAR spelled backwards is RACECAR HEY !!! Are you ASE Certified ??? If you are, ask me about iATN. |
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Now you sound JUST LIKE the Civic boys talking about the first generation 'Stangs! I'm sorry, but that made me laugh. Not at you, with you. Take care, ~Chris ------------------ Retired Moderator MustangNet My site: Peckerwoods Pit Stop My teams site: Jim Porter Racing RACECAR spelled backwards is RACECAR HEY !!! Are you ASE Certified ??? If you are, ask me about iATN. |
***Then there was my '82 YZ250. That was really the last year that Yamaha built the best dirt bikes.
Now I got to take up for my race bikes now! ;o) I'm not flaming I just like talking with you guys. I have raced Suzuki's, Honda's , Kawasaki's, and Yamaha's. And I've raced 125's, 250's, 400's, and a 426. And all Yamaha's current dirt bikes are TOP OF THE LINE, best in their class also. Just thought I would add that. The YZ426 was great, me and my friend were on the beach of this lake. And he was tapped on his 2000 Cr125, I was in 4th gear, just rolled on the throttle and pulled a wheelie right by him up to about 80mph, and for the flames I might get on the 80mph on a dirtbike. FYI-The YZ426 would top out at 89mph. See ya guys. ------------------ -1989 GT, not stock. -2000 Camaro SS-A4, 13.4's bone stock. -1989 Chevy S-10, EX. Cab-383(500+hp on motor), tubbed, trick flow heads, trick flow pistons, etc... autometer phantom gauges, "built" 700R4, roll cage, lexan back window, corbeau seats, R.H.S. 5 harnesses, Fuel cell, convo pro wheels, 15x14's with 29x18.5 M/T'S on back, 15x4's on front, nitrous, and so much more! |
I'm glad to hear that! I know they rocked in 1982 (with the NEW Monoshock suspension... I can hear the commercials now).
Fancy that. We both like the same Jap bike. I must be coming down with something. ~C |
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Lets see, any given Saturday night I see at least 3 people on the Jap Rockets doing wheelies while passing between cars. They also usually have a passenger on the back. Hmmmmmm talking about being irresponsible with other peoples lives. In the Fayetteville and surronding areas, we have had 2 fatal vehicle accidents that had anything to do with street racing. In Fayetteville alone (Not including surronding areas) we have had 6 deaths in the same amount of time, from six diffrent accidents. What i think was at question, is the mentallity of these Wheelie/rev throwing motorcyclists with there reckless abandon of saftey in the sake of Style or bieng cool. That to me is disgusting. I dont know about you, but majority of these street racers here know that cars up ahead usually means to end the race. I know I'm a little late for this post. |
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Ew that ws a good one, Now who is it thats showing there age. C-YA!!!!!!! [This message has been edited by 5.0 HO (edited 10-18-2001).] |
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Life is all about choices they didnt have to get on the back of the bike. Just like I dont have to drag race, but I do and I know the risk. Most racing accidents involve side streets were cars pull out in ffront of the racers. Thats the only reason I dont get my car street legal cause I know I would be street racing. |
what you ride, really dose'nt matter, you just have to watch it out there, no one look's for motorcycle's on the road ,i do being a ex biker i alway's look for them ,give them their space , don't ride their rear & let them know when they are safely past me, it dont matter what you ride , just that you do!later ,no flames at all
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Just remember that we ALL don't do these things. Most bikers are cool, believe it or not, most bikers are scared to do tricks. I can pull wheelies and all that but there is definitely a time and a place for that, doing it in traffic is a no-no, that's where natural selection comes into play! I ride with some crazy ones, but the majority just like to ride!
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you guys sound like a bunch of blabbering idiots. live and let live (or die for that matter) who cares? if someone wants to waste thier money on a harley let them. if someone wants to wheelie in traffic let them. if anyone ever swirved at me while im on my bike i would ride up next to you and put my foot right into your quarter panel. remeber...your cars are slower, use more gas, and cost more to maintain. so just admit your all jelous. any stanger ive ever seen in traffic gives me a thumbs up and waves for me to wheelie and i happily oblige. its sounds to me that you guys that dont like sportbikes have never ridden one.... take a spin on a cbr 929 and then tell me if you have changed your view on sportbike riders.... now squids are a whole other thread. lol ------------------ http://www.designstudioz.com/downloads/spinemup03.gif THE MIGHTY NOTCH STOLEN!!!! aol instant message= spinemup91 getting a syclone or a bike (not sure yet) |
CBR929 real bike? :::shrug::: Maybe the CBR954 will be better? I thought the 929 was utterly dull, and didn't have any real grunt. R1 or GIXXER for me.
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hahaha you guys and your stats, i agree the r1 screams and so do the gixxers. i was just impliying that a 929 isnt a kids bike... any bike capable of 10's is fast no matter what you would "rather" have. i bet either one of you guys could even ride a 929 to its full potential. 929 is with out a doubt the best street bike... r1 is carbed and the gixxers are race bikes. and dont bring up any of the new 2002 models yet because they arent in the dealers yet. i know the 2002 954 is lighter and faster and i know the 2002 r1 is fuel injected but they arent available yet so leave them out of the convo.
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Honda makes good bikes, but nobody is an untouchable class leader anywhere. From the dyno numbers I've seen, the Gixxer 1000 is just stupid. 140hp to the wheel, after being wadded, lol. The ZX9R has an incredible powerband. The 929 is street oriented, and the R1 is well rounded. The funny part is, the R1 engine basically dates back to the late 80's being almost exactly the same as the old FZR1000. Seems Yamaha had a pretty good idea how to build 'em to age gracefully. |
***hahaha you guys and your stats, i agree the r1 screams and so do the gixxers. i was just impliying that a 929 isnt a kids bike... any bike capable of 10's is fast no matter what you would "rather" have. i bet either one of you guys could even ride a 929 to its full potential. 929 is with out a doubt the best street bike... r1 is carbed and the gixxers are race bikes. and dont bring up any of the new 2002 models yet because they arent in the dealers yet. i know the 2002 954 is lighter and faster and i know the 2002 r1 is fuel injected but they arent available yet so leave them out of the convo.
It all depends on what you think being the best street bike takes? You said gixxers are just race bikes. Well all the new sportbikes are race bikes basically. And when did I say anything about stat's? I was talking from personal experience. Yeah the 929 is capable of 10's but so are all of the new 600's, wtf is your point? Do you want the runt of the class, or the best. Just my preference but I'd rather not have the slowest of the bunch. Do you even have a bike? And just because the 2002's aren't out I can't talk about them? LoL. You've got some problems. I personally want the bike with the most horsepower in the 1000cc under class, that's just me. Right now it's the GSXR1000, but I want to wait and see what the new R1 has to offer, I had a 2000 R1 and loved it, and I've ridden 929's and they just don't compare. And just because the 2001 and previous model R1's is carb'ed what does that have to do with it? The R1's carburation was flawless. And the GSXR is just a beast. ;o) ***929 is with out a doubt the best street bike Hahaha...Ummm ok man, if you wanna be the runt, have fun, having the best, beginner friendly bike in it's class! I have come to conclusion that either your 15 years old, and haven't learned how to correctly type and spell, or...your just uneducated. When typing "i" in a sentence it is always capitalized. Like this "I", anyway have a good day. ------------------ -1989 GT, not stock. -2000 Camaro SS-A4, 13.4's bone stock. -1989 Chevy S-10, EX. Cab-383(500+hp on motor), tubbed, trick flow heads, trick flow pistons, etc... autometer phantom gauges, "built" 700R4, roll cage, lexan back window, corbeau seats, R.H.S. 5 harnesses, Fuel cell, convo pro wheels, 15x14's with 29x18.5 M/T'S on back, 15x4's on front, nitrous, and so much more! [This message has been edited by 1BAD89 (edited 10-20-2001).] |
Ya, i agree with 1BAD89. i would rather have the gixxer grande than the fireblade, i just don't know if i'd trust myself with something that big just yet.
that being said, just about every mag i've read has said the 929 was the best open-class streetbike, simply because it is comfortable, has more street-oriented ergonomics, and has a broad and useable powerband with lots of midrange and bottom end. ------------------ If it ain't broke, make it go faster AOL: MCVillain45 |
Wow, I can't believe I have read this entire thread now!
To each his own. Why are we getting so upset on whether Harley's or Jap bikes are better or now, which liter bike is better? They all outshine the other in one area, it is just a matter of what area you place the most value on. I have seen many stupid things done by Mustang drivers, F-body drivers, and civic drivers. Equally, I see dumb things on sportbikes and harleys. I also see this stuff done by people of all ages. I am sure we have all revved our stang at a light or gotten done with a race and then thought to ourselves, "Man, that was kind of dumb." I try to avoid it, but sometimes it just happens...in my stang and on my sportbike. But, lets not stereotype anyone. Much of it just comes down to being smart while you ride or drive. There is a time and place to street race a car or do 160+ on a sportbike. While neither of them may be safe, it is a choice we have and a risk some choose to take. |
Every mag. has a different "best" bike, just depends on which one you read. 2000 it was the R1 in most, I've seen the 929 in one. 2001 it was the GSXR just because it's awesome. ;o) I want to see the 02' R1 dyno numbers, that'll be what my decision will be based on. If it doesn't have more rwhp than the GSXR1000 count me out on the R1.
------------------ -1989 GT, not stock. -2000 Camaro SS-A4, 13.4's bone stock. -1989 Chevy S-10, EX. Cab-383(500+hp on motor), tubbed, trick flow heads, trick flow pistons, etc... autometer phantom gauges, "built" 700R4, roll cage, lexan back window, corbeau seats, R.H.S. 5 harnesses, Fuel cell, convo pro wheels, 15x14's with 29x18.5 M/T'S on back, 15x4's on front, nitrous, and so much more! [This message has been edited by 1BAD89 (edited 10-22-2001).] |
OMG Pkrwud you're one ballsy fukker. I'd never ride without a helmet, although I do see myself looking rather sexy with bugs on my face, which I have gotten with just the faceshield up (helmet on). I guess you're the only one that has to care about your face, so I won't preach, but I was just surprised...damn.
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Just out of curiosity, how many liter bikes have you logged hours and hours of time on there Unit?
You are correct on one thing, I doubt anyone on this forum could ride a 929 to it's fullest potential, but to make such statements that seem to "parallel" the mags is quite humorous..... There are those who read about the great bikes and those who ride them |
One more thing......dyno charts mean everything to a poser....nuff said
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ok... maybe i shoulda said the 929 is the best street bike in my opinion. i like it but i havent ridden many other bikes. i own and ride a cbr 600 f4. this will just end up being a name calling match so ill stop now.
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Belle: What kind of FZR do you ride? I have a FZR600 and love it, although it is getting quickly outdated by the newer 600's.
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Hey! No I never bought it, backed out on the deal because I wanted something newer, haven't decided though. I've been riding beeyatch on my bf's 929, and I think he is going to teach me how to ride on his 01 ZX6r http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif. I definetely don't want to start with a 250, and I think I'm intelligent and safe enough to start on a 600 cc bike. We'll see how well I can ride first lol (hopefully no accidental wheelies or stoppies http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/tongue.gif)
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***Just out of curiosity, how many liter bikes have you logged hours and hours of time on there Unit?You are correct on one thing, I doubt anyone on this forum could ride a 929 to it's fullest potential, but to make such statements that seem to "parallel" the mags is quite humorous.....There are those who read about the great bikes and those who ride them
***One more thing......dyno charts mean everything to a poser....nuff said How come you didn't asked me how many hours I've logged on liter bikes? ;o) Actually people that have "great" bikes, also read about them. But nice comment? GEEZ. Dyno charts wouldn't mean anything to a "poser". Because they'd be too worried about having a beginner friendly bike. ;o) Tell me this, when the 929's came out, they were around $10,000. After a few months, when no-one wanted them, all the shops around here had them for $7999, why? Anyway people who like to go fast, and care about performance actually look at dyno charts, imagine that! Why buy a bike with less power? I will not buy a 2002 R1, if it doesn't have more rwhp power than the GSXR1000, plain and simple. I don't want a smooth, beg. friendly bike, I want a hard hitting beast. Horsepower is the main factor, if it wasn't the Gixxer wouldn't be the "best bike" as of now. I mean if the Gixxer had the hp as the 929 it surely wouldn't be the #1 bike. But all people have different tastes, so be it. The horsepower is what does it for me, and DYNO charts read hp. -1989 GT, not stock. -2000 Camaro SS-A4, 13.4's bone stock. -1989 Chevy S-10, EX. Cab-383(500+hp on motor), tubbed, trick flow heads, trick flow pistons, etc... autometer phantom gauges, "built" 700R4, roll cage, lexan back window, corbeau seats, R.H.S. 5 harnesses, Fuel cell, convo pro wheels, 15x14's with 29x18.5 M/T'S on back, 15x4's on front, nitrous, and so much more! [This message has been edited by 1BAD89 (edited 10-23-2001).] |
You guys don't know JACK about anything! You spout off facts and magazine ET's and dnyo numbers...yadda, yadda, yadda...Harley this and Jap bikes that...
But it all doesn't matter, because when it comes down to power and performance, well, my TOMOS (sp?) moped tops 'em all! http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif *just a little humor - a couple of brewskis will do that to ya! http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif Take it easy, E PS - Everyone remembers the TOMOS moped right? In my neighborhood that was the moped to have. Some kids would switch pullies/gears on them to get them to top out around 50 mph! (of course it took them about an hour and a good hill to get that! http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif) ------------------ 1991 5.0 LX Coupe - 38,000 miles 13.17 @ 106.14 mph w/ 2.138 60' |
I think he didn't ask you because you weren't talking about liter bikes earlier in the thread.
NO one is saying that dyno charts have no worth, what are you talking about? But there is something to be said for REAL WORLD experience as well. Its like the people that read 5.0 and MMFF and all of a sudden are ripping on certain model years bc a MAGAZINE says they aren't fast, or reliable, etc. Not only that, but many "posers" DON'T look for a beginner friendly bike, they usually look for the most popular, and so a mag's dyno chart DOES play in that situation. Show me where I can get a 929 for $7999 I'll buy one tomorrow. They certainly don't have them for that here on the east coast. Granted, the Gixxer Grande is a faster bike, but you're saying a 929 is a beginner friendly bike? That's squidly as hell. HP is important of course, I wouldn't buy a bike strictly off the dyno charts either, I want to know how it rides, how it handles, etc etc. I never would have bought my mustang without driving it. I don't buy vehicles for the reported HP, I buy them because they are quick and fun to drive/ride. ------------------ Elisha~5.0 HO Racing (ahem HIGH OUTPUT!) 1994 GT: The Primered Wonder! Email: Belle@Mustangworks.com AOL name: FZRBelle306 |
NO!!!!! Hondas are IN down here http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif
Elites all the way baby!!! ------------------ Elisha~5.0 HO Racing (ahem HIGH OUTPUT!) 1994 GT: The Primered Wonder! Email: Belle@Mustangworks.com AOL name: FZRBelle306 |
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Here's a hint, it's ALL in the rider (99% of it). I can still pass my friend that ride R1's and 929's on my "little ZX-6R". I ask you this, how much good are your "dyno charts" gonna do for you when you hit a decreasing-radius, downhill turn TOO HOT? You'll wish that bike was more flickable.....I swear that to you. If you honestly think 2 hp makes a big difference, then fine....that's cool. You're entitled to your own opinion. However, doggin the RR for power band is just plain ignorant. It's got the smoothest powerband and the most low-end power of any of the other liter bikes out there..... |
Lemme think... which bike is the 929 owner going to be biased for?
Here's the truth, the 929 is doggy when compared to other 1 liters for straight line performance. There is no denying that. It's more like 5-20hp under from the dyno runs I've got access to, not 2-3 just fyi. As far as the best bike in the 1 liter class or any other, it's whatever one you like best. I would rather put up with a Ducati 996 just for the sound, the looks, and the way I sit on it. I've sat on the Honda, on the ZX9R the ZX11 all those. I like the fit of the Ducati for me. I do NOT like the fit of the price tag. My friend loves everything but the size of the 748, he'd never be able to really use it. It's too small, he's 6'3" tall. All cramped up, lol, it's a sorry sight. This "my bikes the best" **** is a joke. You could argue the points and drawbacks to them all day long. For the rider who is between 5'8" and 5'9" with a build of 163lbs who likes the color silver and wants to ride in a straight line all the time, this bikes the best, but if he likes red and is 5'10" then it's a whole new ballgame. |
***It's got the smoothest powerband and the most low-end power of any of the other liter bikes out there.....
You might have the smoothest powerband part right, but the most low-end power of the other liter bikes out there, you are truly mistaken. That is the most ignorant thing anyone has ever said. And yeah I ride all the time, I've had a 97 FZR600, 99,01 R6, and a 2000 R1. I've logged 60,000+ miles on street bikes, so yeah I do think I ride quite a bit. And you shouldn't be so angry that you bought a 929, if it's what you like then that's cool, at least "your" happy right? I also like the twisties quite a bit by the way. But you say 2-3hp woo big deal right? Look at the GSXR's hp compared to the sad, sad lil 929, it's quite a bit more than 2-3hp. If you wanted a underpowered sportbike, that is smooth, then you got what you wanted right? ------------------ -1989 GT, not stock. -2000 Camaro SS-A4, 13.4's bone stock. -1989 Chevy S-10, EX. Cab-383(500+hp on motor), tubbed, trick flow heads, trick flow pistons, etc... autometer phantom gauges, "built" 700R4, roll cage, lexan back window, corbeau seats, R.H.S. 5 harnesses, Fuel cell, convo pro wheels, 15x14's with 29x18.5 M/T'S on back, 15x4's on front, nitrous, and so much more! [This message has been edited by 1BAD89 (edited 10-23-2001).] |
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