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Ricers on Bikes, ever seen this?
I've seen it too many times.
Stupid young guys on bikes racing down the streets and through traffic doing "wheelies". Last night I was driving home and I hear this buzzing sound. I look in my review mirror, and I see a single head light (barely) up high. This guy on a bike doing a wheelie pulls up beside me and revs then takes off. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/mad.gif Some sick corner in my head thought about swerving into the guy to teach him a lesson, but of course I'd never actually do it, but these guys really piss me off. This is not the first time I've seen this! I've seen kids do this during rush hour. Are these guys total freakin morons!! What kind of idiot does this stuff?!? |
Apparently the kind in Dallas.
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I've seen this too...
At 16-17 you think you're immortal. Had some young kid down the street die in his rice-mobile doing assanine stuff down the road. They pretty much had to cut him out of the tin can it became after hitting a very large object. I guess doing stupid things in a 2000lb tin can at 80 miles an hour isn't good enough for some of these brainiacs, so they start doing idiotic crap on a 150 pound bike at 120 miles an hour. If it didn't hurt anyone else, I would say its a Darwin thing weeding them out of the gene pool. Harsh I know, but that's how I feel.... ------------------ Adam "Hammer" Packett: Moderator, Gulf War Veteran http://www.mustangworks.com/~hammer/navy.gif GO GET 'EM BOYS! http://www.mustangworks.com/~hammer/f-14i.gif |
I know a bike would not necassarily kill someone in a car, but it could. These guys are worse than some of the ricers around here. Mind you his apparent "buddy" was driving a riced out civic and they both turned in a ricer hang out.
Flat out stupid things like this just piss me off. One of these guys is going to die and then everyone is going to feel sorry for this retard, and that is going to piss me off even more! oh well, I think your right Hammer, it could be a "weeding" out process. |
hey , 95 these idiot's are crotch rocket's there is one where i work , he wears stupid shirt's that say sh-t like, life doesnt begin until your doing 180mph sad but true, this guy has a 600 honda cbr, huum wonder if that cbr stands for can burn rice , any wayhe think's he' the shi- he wanted to race my stang, i laughed at him , a car against a bike ,comme'on be real oh by the way somehow he stuffed a 1000 built motor in this thing , i said i would run him just for giggle's he beat me but, not as bad as he thought , it kinda suprized me too!i miss my harley but it was just kick back cruizin but the crotch rocket's are nut's, and the noise is annoying . later
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Ever since my '74 Shovel, I've always said "Little boys drive rice. When they grow up, they'll buy a Harley".
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hey pkrwud you know what im talking about , mine was a 74 ,amf harley also it was bored to 1,000 cc yeah , a sporty but i had the cool ,back then lowered as$ end ,fat tire & ape hangers damm those were the day's ,i think i got it ,when i got my first ford aka merc cougar grew up then .see ya chris gotta hit the coffin & work with the vampire's 11 http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/redface.gifo to 7:30 am later.oh before i get burned up by the sunlight , i call the crotchrocket' - control your brain with your right wrist , brakes? i didnt know i had brakes ? aww shi-.bye
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we in the motorcycling community have a word for people that do things like this - squids. tell-tale sign of a squid is a large-displacement sportbike, t-shirt, shorts, helmet optional, and flip-flops. all while doing wheelies/stoppies etc.
ahh yes, harley davidson. the epitome of performance on two wheels. oh, by the way, Harleys really, really suck. fastest production harley runs 13's, and it's 1450cc's! pathetic. CBR600 does 10.40's under ideal conditions, 11's will be what most people see. all with just 599cc's.....less than half the displacement of the harley that does 13's. not only that, but the CBR is $8k as opposed to the $18k of the harley. don't get me started on handling. ------------------ If it ain't broke, make it go faster AOL: MCVillain45 [This message has been edited by PGkelly (edited 10-15-2001).] |
Prenatal Guidance kelly-
Yeah, those CBR's are incredible! That must be why they hold their value so much better than Harley's do. Oh, wait a minute, Rice-a-roni bikes lose over a grand in value right out of the show room. But they always sell used for more than they were new. Oh wait, those are the Harley's. That's right, it's those piece of crap rice rockets that are worth more for their metal value at a recycling plant than as a motorcycle. If and when you grow up, maybe you'll have a better understanding of things. You probably still believe you are always safer wearing a helmet, too. The fool. Right now you seem too obsessed with the pre-teenage mentality that this thread has been talking about. Nice try, squid. ------------------ Retired Moderator MustangNet My site: Peckerwoods Pit Stop My teams site: Jim Porter Racing RACECAR spelled backwards is RACECAR HEY !!! Are you ASE Certified ??? If you are, ask me about iATN. |
because the whole world revolves around resale value, right? uh-huh. see, i'd rather ride a bike than sell it, you may disagree, that's just my opinion. i'd also rather have a bike that's reliable, that i don't have to spend hours cranking over to start, and that i don't have to take to the mechanic every weekend. and yes, you are safer wearing a helmet (and i don't mean those ridiculous pudding-bowl helmets favored by the hardley ableson crowd). don't give me that crap about how "oh, if you hit wrong with a helmet it'll break your neck". rrrrright. not gonna happen. beleive it or not, you are also safer wearing a full leather jacket and pants. i see more people on these "rice-rockets" wearing appropriate clothing than on harleys. harleys are barely even motorcycles anymore, they are more like fashion accesories. you seem too obsessed with the pre-teenage mentality of being badass with your hardley to realize how awful they really are. you also don't seem to realize that i was showing the same kind of disdain for the person in question that you are, the serious sportbiking community frankly doesn't care for this behavior either.
here are some figures for you: Yamaha YZF-R6 vs. Electra glide weight: 396lbs vs. 650lbs power: 98hp vs. 60hp displacement: 599cc's vs. 1450cc's ------------------ If it ain't broke, make it go faster AOL: MCVillain45 |
on second thought, we seem to be looking at this from different perspectives. you, clearly, do not have perfmormance on your mind when you think of motorcycles. i on the other hand, do. my goal is to go for blasts down skyline drive every weekend, while you would probably rather cruise main street. i can respect that, to each his own i guess. i retract my previous anti-harley statements.
BTW, what are your thoughts on the VROD? personally i think it's great harley is stepping into the power cruiser market, with something that technologically blows away it's main competition (Honda VTX1800). I've always been a big buell fan too. ------------------ If it ain't broke, make it go faster AOL: MCVillain45 [This message has been edited by PGkelly (edited 10-15-2001).] |
i ride a sportbike and to tell u the truth most the riders i know are 25+ cept for me im the young one of the bunch (18) the guys ur mentioning now sounds like an idiot but dont throw all of us in that class as him, we have a few retards running around on sportbikes who i myself wouldnt mind running over with ur mustange.
not all of us are idiots, although i am starting to see more squids than not now and its putting a sore in my eye, but we buy our sportbikes cause they are fast, and perform well, not all of us are out there looking to race some guy in a mustange or show off most of us goto private roads to do our own thing, but hey if i was gona be stereotypical i would class all u mustange drivers as idiots as well, i cant tell u how many times ive pulled up to a light next to a mustange just to see him gun it thinking im gona try to race him, i know i will win off the back but do they? so why do they try? who knows, so we can all be "Freaking morons" but really u cant say anything either u guys are just as bad as us. both our groups have bad apples but its no reason to through each other in the idiot class. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/wink.gif |
i saw an idiot kid on a CBR600 today revving. he pulled up to the stop sign and just couldn't stop, on, and off, and on and off..... he couldn't see me till i made a left onto the street he was on, at which point he did a big long rev...not friendly, though, i could tell that much.
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Well I learned something new today then. A "ricer" biker is called a squid. LOL
Well these stupid squids are something new to me. In Canada I've seen lots of guys on bikes and they've never done crap like this. Down here in Texas I haven't seen a normal guy on a bike yet http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/frown.gif. I used to ride a Honda 500, it was fun, but with the way some people drive these days, I never felt safe enough to ride it. You are right there are always a few morons driving mustangs, but I've seen those guys for years, I had just never seen these puss-nuts driving around before. ------------------ 1995 Mustang GT |
To me, the Harley symbolizes irony. Why do people buy Harley's? They don't run good. Hell, most of the time the older ones don't run at all, lol. They don't have much in the way of power, lack handling prowess, and are poorly designed.
People buy them to be a rebel. They want to rebel against everything, be politcally incorrect and different. Here's the irony part. They are striving to be different and to be a rebel by following a group of people and an idea. That makes them a follower, the very opposite of what they want to be. I don't know how many times I've watched a guy roll his couch out, hit the starter until the battery won't turn that hog over anymore, then proceed to get on and start kicking until he's out of breath. It's hilarious. Then after messing around with the carbs, they kick a little longer, roll it back over the 1/2 full cake pan to catch the dripping oil and shut the garage door. Well, since the new one's have engines designed by Porsche, they should do much better. As far as the rocket crowd, some can be dumbass punks, but a lot are just good guys out to have fun, and let's not forget pick up the girlies!! LOL. |
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You just described half of the"help" post people here. I guess you don't think much of Mustangs either, seeing as how they're always having trouble idling, or starting, etc. Give me a break. I have a great deal of respect for you, but your age came through on this one. Yes, today Harleys have become trendy, and to purchase a new one is to follow the herd. It was not always this way. I didn't buy my first Harley to be a rebel. In fact, I built my first Harley myself. Harleys are like Mustangs in that they are much better looking, appreciate attention to detail, can be easily worked on by the owner, and will last a lifetime. How many 1960 Yamaha's do you see in your neighborhood? I guess I just find it hard to believe that there are people today who don't remember what it used to be like before Harley became the number one selling motorcycle in the world. Everybody who rode worked on their own bike. Harley repair shops didn't exist because there wasn't any customers. Parts, sure, but any wrenching was done by the rider. You could climb on your bike with a small tool roll, and drive cross country several times. Any repairs that became necesary were usually fixable on the spot. You didn't need to go buy some overpriced special order item at the local Honda dealer. I really find it fascinating when my wrenching friends (I'm talking about you now) criticize such an awesome customizeable vehicle. It's not entirely your fault, though. You have never owned one. If you had, your feelings would be different. P.G.- You, in a very wise and mature moment, did what I failed to do; made the correct observation. Different strokes for different folks. I have owned Jap bikes before, but they just don't compare. They are disposable. My tastes changed, too. It's been my experience that as a biker ages, he tires of the crotch rocket, and gains an interest in what the Harley has to offer. I trust that one day you will see what I mean. I'm sorry for attacking your post the way I did. That is really out of character for me. But, you hit a nerve. I too am armed to the teeth with facts and figures that prove helmets are more dangerous, and more, but I don't want to fight over it. Being in the wind is what it's really all about to me, even if it's on an old Honda. I'm undecided about the V-rod. It is just too Jap for me. Kinda funny when you think about it: every Japanese motorcycle manufacturer has spent millions trying to have part of their line of bikes resemble Harley's, and what does Harley do? Builds a bike with a Jap flair. It is a bad *** bike. It's their first water cooled, dual overhead cammed bike ever. I miss the pushrod tubes, though! The other main difference is that for 100 years, Harleys were a motorcycle built around a frame, whereas the Jap bikes are more like a bike with a frame built around it. The V-rod is the first Harley to have the frame around it design. The Buell bikes were great, but flawed. I loved that a guy decided to take up the slack for Harley, but there was a reason Harley didn't build a bike like that. They wanted to distance themselves from the exact image this thread was started about. If the Buell's weren't so damn expensive, more t-shirt wearing teens would be dying on them. Peace. ~C ------------------ Retired Moderator MustangNet My site: Peckerwoods Pit Stop My teams site: Jim Porter Racing RACECAR spelled backwards is RACECAR HEY !!! Are you ASE Certified ??? If you are, ask me about iATN. |
I have a sportbike, what a blast they are! If you've never ridden one, you should! Quite a rush! http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif
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Man, this post is begining to get ugly.
Back to the subject of Driving/riding like a moron. I also hate when some Jack a$$ dies and everyone feels sorry for him all of a sudden. Seems like now adays you can fly through Rush HOur traffic at 170 MPH standing your bike on one wheel for 5 miles, blow by 9 crossing gaurds in active school zones, hit an old lady crossing the street after you run over a Litter of kittens AND DIE IN A FIREY CRASH, AND PEOPLE STILL say the MORONS DEATH is some kind of tradegedy, and it was the Bike Manufactures fault for letting the Movie industry make a movie about street racing. I know that doesnt make much sense but it helps illustrate how people in General dont make much sense anymore. Make sense? http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif [This message has been edited by Mercury (edited 10-16-2001).] |
Merc u make lots of sense I totally agree with what u are saying. It is crap that someone goes out and does stuff like that but there death is a tradegy. It doesn't make any sense at all.
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Show me one Crotch Rocket that has a sound as Powerfull and Awe-inspiring as that of a well tuned Harley, has a heritage as rich as a Harley, and maintains or increases in value for decades after it leaves the showroom floor. Harley Davidson is not about weaving in and out of traffic at 120mph praying that you don't hit a rock or that noone changes lanes in front of you. It's about relaxing, cruising, and enjoying the scenary as well as the wind in your face.....And you don't have to rest your chin on the gas tank while you ride. So don't talk about the shortcomings of the performance of Harleys. Anyone who rides a bike at top speed is asking for an "early retirement".
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I wrote this long reply the other day and decided not to post it, but now I think it's time. I'll make this short and try to comment on the idiotic things that have been said. Particulary one.
***You probably still believe you are always safer wearing a helmet, too. The fool. Right now you seem too obsessed with the pre-teenage mentality that this thread has been talking about. Nice try, squid. You are ALOT safer wearing a helmet! And if you say your safer not wearing a helmet, your an idiot. Helmets have saved many, many lives. If you ride a motorcycle without a helmet your asking for it. And yeah, yeah, I know Harley's are so cool and no-one that rides hardly ever wear helmets. So that is the "in" thing to do. But I mean WTF.... I worked at a motorcycle shop, I've owned ton's of motorcycles. And I've ridden Harley's, mostly sportbikes though, and there is NO COMPARISON. All these people that talk sh!t about sportbikes, that own harley's, really have no clue. And all I see around here are middle aged men on Harley's that think they are JUST BAD A$$. They just sit there and rev up there slow bikes, more so than the sportbikes. I mean I suppose Harley's are cool if you just want to cruise......and look cool to the older ladies......but if you've ever ridden a new sportbike, there is no other feeling like it. Some of the newer big bore bikes have 9 second 1/4 mile capabilities(gsxr1000,ZX12R, Busa)and have top speed's a lil under 190mph. It just comes down to being careful, and not being a jacka$$ all the time. Wheelies can be very controlable, also. Someone said something about a CBR600 running 10.40's stock? That is pure BS! Moving on... ***Some sick corner in my head thought about swerving into the guy to teach him a lesson, but of course I'd never actually do it, but these guys really piss me off. This is not the first time I've seen this! I've seen kids do this during rush hour. Yeah next time I see you doing a burnout in your car, I'll swerve and run into you with my trashtruck and kill you. WTF. That is basically an analogy to what your saying. I mean if you swerve into a bike that is wheelying your going to kill him, and I think you know that. Wheelies are all part of motorcycling. I am not necessarily saying wheelying in traffic is a smart idea, that would be pretty stupid. But....wheelying is fun, if you've never rode wheelies on a motorcycle then you have know clue. ***I guess doing stupid things in a 2000lb tin can at 80 miles an hour isn't good enough for some of these brainiacs, so they start doing idiotic crap on a 150 pound bike at 120 miles an hour. No sportbike weighs 150 pounds, I only wish. Doing 170+mph gives you an insane adrenaline rush, it's just like doing a huge burnout, or lifting the front wheels of your car. You just have to be careful and know when and when not to do it. For you guys that have never ridden a sportbike you just don't know what your missing. ***That's right, it's those piece of crap rice rockets that are worth more for their metal value at a recycling plant than as a motorcycle. If and when you grow up, maybe you'll have a better understanding of things. Don't even get me started on a Harley's vs. sportbike's. Who cares what sportbikes are worth after a few years? They are the most technological advanced bikes in the world. And might I add the fastest. By the way Buell's blow...I mean look at the buell blast, entry level performance, like 14hp, WATCH OUT NOW! And the top of the line Buell's aren't that much faster. ;o) Did I just see someone say that helmets are dangerous? ***I too am armed to the teeth with facts and figures that prove helmets are more dangerous, and more, You are a true Harley rider. The older people get, the more their opinion changes, and they want something more comfortable, that's fine, it's what you like, and I like what I like, that's what comprises the world. But don't come on here preaching that Harley's are the greatest, best made bike in the world. ***If the Buell's weren't so damn expensive, more t-shirt wearing teens would be dying on them. They aren't any more expensive than the newest crop of 1000cc sportbikes. And the reason teens don't buy them, is because they are not a sportbike. Clear and simple, I mean come on they have a harley engine. The top of the line Buell, has 100hp. Buell's just don't fit in with sportbikes. I don't know one person that says I WANT A BUELL, but I can't have one because they are too expensive. Geez, Buell's don't compare... And the next person that calls all people that have "sportbikes" a ricer, I challenge them to a duel! ;o) Come on guys, I know a sportbike has a little more horsepower than a 4 cyl. honda, but get a grip. Too some all this up, everybody has diff. opinions, but what matters is your own. ------------------ 1989 GT, not stock. 2000 Camaro SS-A4, 13.4's bone stock. 1989 Chevy S-10, EX. Cab-383(500+hp on motor), tubbed, trick flow heads, trick flow pistons, etc... autometer phantom gauges, "built" 700R4, roll cage, lexan back window, corbeau seats, R.H.S. 5 harnesses, Fuel cell, convo pro wheels, 15x14's with 29x18.5 M/T'S on back, 15x4's on front, nitrous, and so much more! |
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i refer you to the magazine 'motorcyclist'. every month, on the last page, they publish a section called "hard numbers". best 1/4 miles times, dyno numbers, dry/wet weight figures. all 1/4 times are corrected to sea level, and they are proffesional riders, which is why i said 10.40's under ideal conditions. 11's are what most people will see. ------------------ If it ain't broke, make it go faster AOL: MCVillain45 |
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Especially with these 2 statements. First, you can...no I invite you to smash into me if I was this dumb. 1. Doing wheelies in rush hour traffic is comparable to me drag racing with one eye covered, 1 hand behind my back, and an explosive device on my car so that if I so much as touch anyone it blows up and kills me. I mean what if some one opened there car door to adjust something or to re-closed it (if it wasn't fully closed)? BOOM! you have one dead motorcycle guy! 2. Doing wheelies at night is no smarter. First the front head light is pointed upward and not forward, which makes seening this guy almost impossible. The only reason I saw him was because I had my windows down, no music playing, and heard the guy coming. I was on extra alert. The way people drive is Dallas, this is asking for some one to kill him. So If I turn off all my lights, cover one eye, put 1 hand behind my back, and an explosive device on my car so that if I so much as touch anyone it blows up and kills me, you can crash into me with your truck. The point I'm trying to make is that These guys are playing Russin Roulette with 5 freaking bullets. If I ever acted that stupid, I give permission to anyone on this board to crash into me! And I'll take your duel. To me anyone who acts so stupid is a ricer. To me that is what separates "US from THEM". It's not neccessarily the car (although that is a big part of it), it is the attitude. And the way these guys act, I call them, ricers. |
Yeah wheelying on a stock bike at night is stupid, because you can't really see, and other people can't see you hardly. But they do make wheelie lights, that go on the bottom of your lower fairing, and when you wheelie EVERYONE can clearly see you, and you cans ee as well. Wheelying in heavy traffic is stupid, yeah....I'll agree with that. And also Dalls traffic is ALOT worse than any traffic around me. Wheelying in that traffic or any traffic would be a death wish.
*** i refer you to the magazine 'motorcyclist'. every month, on the last page, they publish a section called "hard numbers". best 1/4 miles times, dyno numbers, dry/wet weight figures. all 1/4 times are corrected to sea level, and they are proffesional riders, which is why i said 10.40's under ideal conditions. 11's are what most people will see. Yeah and the time in the 'motorcyclist' on a CBR600 is not a 10.40, is it? Kinda funny I "believe" that mag. has the R1 running a 10.30 in the back section as you are talking about. No WAY a stock CBR600 will run a 10.40....there is no way. I've had 600's, 1000's, etc...10.40 a CBR just can't do in stock trim. Now I'll give it high 10's, just not a 10.40. ------------------ 1989 GT, not stock. 2000 Camaro SS-A4, 13.4's bone stock. 1989 Chevy S-10, EX. Cab-383(500+hp on motor), tubbed, trick flow heads, trick flow pistons, etc... autometer phantom gauges, "built" 700R4, roll cage, lexan back window, corbeau seats, R.H.S. 5 harnesses, Fuel cell, convo pro wheels, 15x14's with 29x18.5 M/T'S on back, 15x4's on front, nitrous, and so much more! [This message has been edited by 1BAD89 (edited 10-16-2001).] |
err, excuse me. i WAS mistaken. SORRY. i went and checked, they have it doing 10.71@126.7, which is pretty believable for sea-level conditions and a super-good rider. i must've had it confused with the R1, which they have listed as 10.42@134.7
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It's ok, we all make mistakes.
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There are a couple people on this board able to run mid 10's on a 600. The R1 is a wheelie monster. You can't get ultra fast stock times out of it because it will flip itself.
As far as a crotch rocket that holds value like a Harley, try on a Ducati. Japanese bike that sounds better than any Harley ever built, called a V-Max. The Ducati also sounds way better than any Harley, but it's Italian. PKRWUD the Harley has been a piece of **** for many years. I do see problems posted when Mustangs don't start, thing is, it's not ever since they were new that the problems existed, nor is it everytime. In the case of the older Harley's, it's not a part that's broken, it's the poor function of the parts to begin with. Even Harley realized they were building junk when they basically went under in the late 70's early 80's. You don't see any Japanese bikes around from the 1960's because they weren't built back then, but you see a TON of 70's bikes from Japanese manufacturers. Harley began a comeback where they redesigned their engines in the early 80's trying to actually build something reliable. I guess they couldn't figure out how to build quality and performance into a single engine, so they farmed their work out to the Germans. Who do you think designed the new Harley engines? It wasn't Harley. Porsche did 100% of the designing of those engines. Then you want to talk about working on bikes. Well, guess you'd be attacking the newer cars there too? Not many home mechanics exist anymore and the Harley's are rolling into the shops just like everything else. From everything I've seen, all most sportbikes require is a tune up now and then for the 30,000 hard miles they get beat on. So what if they are hard to work on? You don't have to. Actually, I don't find them all that hard to work on anyway. On the issue of becoming trendy to own a Harley, you are correct. The reason it's trendy is because of the past image of being a rebel. As far as my age coming into it, I've never liked Harley's. Even when my older bro had his years and years ago. They are modifed to be obnoxiously loud, and they are the equivelent of a Caprice or something. Very little power (less than a stock 5.0HO per cube, that's just plain sick for a bike), heavy, and expensive. The Mustang I drive is much more closely related to a rocket. Smaller, faster, more performance oriented. How it gets there I don't care. Just that it is what I like. You may find some people "outgrow" rockets, but I think many more keep with them because of how much fun they are when ridden by non-psycho's. If I was to buy a cruiser, and I wanted to remain in the US market, it would be a Polaris, hands down. They build their engines, just like for thier sleds, really American, not imported under the guise of it. To each his own, but I'm a little ashamed of the fact we have no domestic performance motorcycles. The way our performance car market it going, perhaps in a few years there will be none of those either. |
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You like a sportbike? Cool.
You like a Harley? Cool. You got facts? Splendid. Now let's try to state them without name calling. You have a problem with someone liking the other? Shut the **** up. What is wrong with you people? I love a sportbike any day of the week, but I sure as hell wouldn't wheelie in traffic. Stop assuming all sportbikers are like this. That's like assuming all Mustang drivers are speeding idiots. 5.0 lovers constantly claim to be a victim of stereotypes, yet they perpetuate others. ------------------ Elisha~5.0 HO Racing (ahem HIGH OUTPUT!) 1994 GT: The Primered Wonder! Email: Belle@Mustangworks.com AOL name: FZRBelle306 |
***There are a couple people on this board able to run mid 10's on a 600. The R1 is a wheelie monster. You can't get ultra fast stock times out of it because it will flip itself.
Yeah I never said they couldn't, I just said a stock CBR600 couldn't. Yeah I had a 00' R1 and it was a wheelie monster. I remember seeing someones sig. saying they had a ZX6R running like 10.30's? Well anyway whoever it is it's not on a stock 600. ------------------ 1989 GT, not stock. 2000 Camaro SS-A4, 13.4's bone stock. 1989 Chevy S-10, EX. Cab-383(500+hp on motor), tubbed, trick flow heads, trick flow pistons, etc... autometer phantom gauges, "built" 700R4, roll cage, lexan back window, corbeau seats, R.H.S. 5 harnesses, Fuel cell, convo pro wheels, 15x14's with 29x18.5 M/T'S on back, 15x4's on front, nitrous, and so much more! |
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Same with us though. How many times have you seen some punk-*** driving a stang that has no idea what he's doing? Attempting the same thing, somebody who knows what they are doing is much more in control of the situation. It goes back to an earlier post about a guy killing himself at the track on a bike posted by TurboLX I think. You have to respect the machine you are on, especially things like snowmobiles, atv's, and motorcycles. If you don't, you're gonna die. |
Why in the hell do you care if some guy rides wheelies at 90 mph, revs his engine, rides a harley that is louder than hell, or any thing else? Maybe jealousy? I saw two guys pulling wheelies not long ago. One of them pulled a ninja all the way over and busted his *** . Just wish I had my video camera! It is suppose to be a free country and nothing is much freer than riding a motorcycle. Haven't had one now for several years and never had the balls to do wheelies, but I use to bracket race on one.
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What you ride is your choice. Your opinions of what other people ride is yours freely as well. When it comes to helmets, and the misconception that you are ALWAYS safer wearing one, I have to draw the line. When it comes to some idiot pasing a law that says I have to wear a brain bucket so my face is pretty at the funeral, I react. If you really believe that you are safer with a helmet, then by all means, don't be a hypocrite, start a letter writing campaign to your congressmen asking for a helmet law for autos. After all, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, more than 90% of all traffic fatalities are in autos, and approximately 50% of all auto fatalities are due to head injuries. In otherwords, roughly 45% of all traffic fatalities are due to auto head injuries, while .05% are from non-helmeted motorcyclists. The four safest states to ride a motorcycle in, which had the lowest percentage of accidents and fatalities, do not reqire helmets. It should also be noted that states with mandatory helmet requirements have a higher motorcycle fatality rate than those that don't. In fact, New Jersey motorcycle fatalities increased 340% after they passed their helmet law. The lowest fatality increase among US states after passing a helmet law was 166.7% in Rhode Island in 1971. According to NHTSA, the current national average states that use of helmets is accompanied by a 16.6% greater incidence of accidents and 3% more fatalities. It is my opinion that this is largely due to the false sense of security that a helmet gives most riders. A helmet cannot prevent an accident, either. According to Dr. John Lewis, Trauma Specialist, Los Angeles, Ca., "It is a rare instance where a motorcycle helmet makes a difference as far as a motorcycle accident is concerned. Most accidents are chest and abdominal or extremity related". A study by the Utah Highway Safety Department showed that helmet usage does not significantly reduce the severity of head injuries. According to the Bell Helmets' Dealers Guide, "an incorrectly fitted helmet can do more damage than no helmet at all"... and most people buy a helmet that fits too loosely because it is more comfortable. The Hurt Study from the University of Southern California (USC) shows that helmets are most useful in a very small range of slow-speed accidents. At highway speeds, helmets are for keeping off bugs, period. The Federal Department of Transportation concurs. According to them, there is no evidence that any helmet thus far, regardless of cost or design, is capable of rejecting impact stress above 13 miles per hour. In fact, in one of the DOT's recent tests, 90% of all helmets tested were defective. A study by the University of Utah Speech and Hearing Clinic found that helmets restrict hearing and distort sound direction, thus creating confusion. Not everyone has the ability to ride a motorcycle, and certainly not without proper training. All the safety equipment in the world cannot save the inept, unskilled rider. The bottom line is that as far as factual numbers are concerned, you are more likely to die wearing a helmet than not wearing a helmet. You are also more likely to be involved in an accident. If you still want to wear one, I think that should be your right. If I don't, that should be my right, too. Let those who ride decide. Take care, ~Chris ------------------ Retired Moderator MustangNet My site: Peckerwoods Pit Stop My teams site: Jim Porter Racing RACECAR spelled backwards is RACECAR HEY !!! Are you ASE Certified ??? If you are, ask me about iATN. |
Whoa, lot of info PKRWUD. I tend to agree with you as I've heard similar comparisons with other safety equipment.
When I started this post it was in disbelief about some of the stupid things I've witnessed over the past couple of weeks. I didn't mean to start a Sport Bike Vs. Harley debate or something. Nor make generalities about bikers. ------------------ 1995 Mustang GT |
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I freely admit that Porsche has assisted Harley with their EVO engine and their new Revolution engine. I have no problem with that. Are you implying that Porsche is junk? Personally, the idea of driving the new VROD sounds interesting, but not what I would enjoy driving regularly. I admit that upping the horsepower to 115 in stock form is an unexpected surprise (especially since the engine is so much smaller), as is the concept of a Harley running at 9000 rpms for prolonged periods of time, but I still think it's too ricey for me. The whole motorcycle has been redesigned, and finally has all of the "technology" that the ricers like to brag about, which just isn't appealing to me. As far as older Jap bikes, they sure were built in 1960. They've been built in Japan almost as long as they have in this country. They just didn't last. I think it's fascinating that there are so many 70's Jap bikes in your neighborhood. Around here, the only ones still around are planters in back yards. I'm glad we all agree that there is no denying that in the Harley vs. ricer debate, one is junk while the other is the best. It's too bad you guys haven't figured the correct answer, yet. Oh, now, relax. In your world, you're correct, and in my world, I'm correct. This time. Peace? Take care, ~Chris ------------------ Retired Moderator MustangNet My site: Peckerwoods Pit Stop My teams site: Jim Porter Racing RACECAR spelled backwards is RACECAR HEY !!! Are you ASE Certified ??? If you are, ask me about iATN. |
***It should also be noted that states with mandatory helmet requirements have a higher motorcycle fatality rate than those that don't.
Not true. I did a huge report back in high school, on motorcycle saftey by the way. Everyone has a choice, frankly I don't care if you wear a helmet or not. But saying that it won't help you in the event of a crash is pure stupidity. And by the way, it's just the opposite of what you said. States that have mandatory helmet laws, have fewer fatal crashes on motorcycles. So your telling me if a guy without a helmet crashes at 5mph and hits his head on the cement, he is better prepared, than a guy wearing a helmet in the same situation? It could be the choice between life and death, you can decide your fate. I have seen many people walk away from high speed crashes. They would not have walked away from the crashes if it hadn't been for protective gear, and a helmet. Also I have seen people face plant without a helmet and it ground their face all the way down to nothing, and all you can see are two eyeballs and a tongue hanging there in a bunch of tore up meat and blood, but the guy was alive, everything was fine, except for his face, if only he had a helmet, he would've been fine.....You can choose to not wear a helmet, most harley guys do...and that is why most harley crashes are fatal. But please do not promote not wearing a helmet is safer, I wear a helmet all the time when riding a street bike, for wind protection, bug protection, etc...and mostly because I feel naked without it, kinda like a seatbelt. Why take a chance of dying on a stupid crash? And it could also save your life in the event of a major crash. Yeah..you can have the attitude, that if your going to crash hardcore, you'll want to die anyway. But it's people like you that when they do crash they wish'd they would've had a helmet. But it's ok...all it takes is one, and then it's too late for most people. Motorcyclist, should always wear protective gear, and saftery equipment when they ride. Also you failed to mention in your endless supply of motorcycle/helmet statistics, that MOST fatal motorcycle accidents, are caused because of head injuries. "Hmmmm...that just proves dem damed ol helmets are more dangerous to wear on the head. You ****** hillbilly." Geez, I can hear you saying that now. Why wouldn't you wear a helmet anyway, I have a BAD A$$ that I am proud to carry around. It's a great conversation piece and the girls dig it too. ;o) ------------------ 1989 GT, not stock. PRO 5.0 shifter(for sale) BBK SFC(for sale) 5" AM Ph. tach(for sale) BBK 70mm TB and EGR spacer(for sale)more.... 2000 SS 1 bad *** 1989 tubbed S-10 [This message has been edited by 1BAD89 (edited 10-17-2001).] |
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Please forgive me. I didn't realize that you knew more than some the Federal Department of Transportation, several state DOT's, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Bell helmets, several universities and a top trauma specialist. What was I thinking? You must be right. After all, a high school report certainly outweighs any of them! Please. I have never suggested that you should never wear a helmet. In fact, I pointed to two documented studies that prove they are very beneficial if you're involved in an accident while driving under 13 mph! I'll let you in on a little secret: The reason the fatality rate is 3% higher for helmeted riders is because of all of the teen crotch rocket fatalities. They seem to think they are Superman with a helmet on and they drive wrecklessly. And your claim that most Harley accidents are fatal is beyond laughable. I didn't do a high school report, but I did spend several months researching facts when a movement was underway to repeal the California helmet law. I also spent 4 years working at the largest hospital in Ventura County; 2 years in nursing and 2 years in X-Ray. The vast majority of the Harley accidents were arm and leg injuries, usually caused by laying the bike down to avoid a driver making errant left turn, or because they were trying to take a corner too fast. The majority of ricer accident victims were fatalities. The only reason we saw them was because the ER doctor on duty had to pronounce them. Part of the reason this is true is because most Harley riders are enjoying the ride too much to try and race to get where they're going. They are also, on average, older and wiser, and have more years of riding experience. Ricer riders, on the other hand, tend to be younger, less experienced riders who are more apt to ride carelessly, driving like they were on a closed circuit track. their goal seems to be to tach out the bike every chance they get. If I was going to ride a bike at 140 mph, I would wear a helmet too. It wouldn't do a thing for me in an accident (except create an additional 560 pounds of weight on impact, according to the law of inertia. Unless of course you know more than the law of inertia, too!), but it would keep the bugs out. I imagine hitting a fly that fast would probably pierce my cheek. You can drop the hillbilly crap too. I'm a well educated and travelled individual who speaks from documented facts and personal experience. I won't even start on the whole Okie thing. You know how to type, so you are obviously above that standard. In any case, whether you go by your high school report or federal and state reports doesn't matter. You are set in your ways, and I in mine. I don't tell anyone not to wear a helmet, but I will dispell the myth that a rider is always safer with one on. I wouldn't force my insecurities on someone else if it might take their life. ~C P.S. You never said, how often do you wear a helmet while driving your Mustang or your Camaro (or is the DOT and NHTSA wrong about those facts too?)? Seeing as your S-10 is so heavily modified, I'm sure you always wear a helmet while driving it, so I won't even insult you by asking. ------------------ Retired Moderator MustangNet My site: Peckerwoods Pit Stop My teams site: Jim Porter Racing RACECAR spelled backwards is RACECAR HEY !!! Are you ASE Certified ??? If you are, ask me about iATN. |
I do wear a helmet when I drive my S-10. ;o)
Yeah fatal impact to the head, is what like 13.7mph? But helmets have saved alot of lives, where people were going alot faster than 13mph. I was riding with a group of about 15 riders, a girl crashes going about 80mph, goes off the side of the road, flips, the bike is totaled in a ditch, she's about 20 feet from it, she walked away with a thumb injury, without a helmet she would have been dead. Might not sound like much, a high school report, but I spent 5 months researching helmet law's, stat's, etc...but it's ok, we both have our opinions. Most harley deaths around here could have been prevented. And where do you think I got all of my facts, from the same exact places you just listed. ***I won't even start on the whole Okie thing. You know how to type, so you are obviously above that standard. Anyway...about that Okie comment, if your ignorant enough to think everyone in the state of Oklahoma rides horses, and are Cowboy's and Indians, then you are truly mistaken. What standard is that? Please enlighten me, I'm waiting.... ------------------ 1989 GT, not stock. PRO 5.0 shifter(for sale) BBK SFC(for sale) 5" AM Ph. tach(for sale) BBK 70mm TB and EGR spacer(for sale)more.... [This message has been edited by 1BAD89 (edited 10-17-2001).] |
The same standard that associates Harley riders with hillbillies. Actually, one of my best buddies from way back lives in Broken Arrow, OK. He used to make fun of the natives, but only because he felt out of place. He loves it now. Bought a nice house for about 1/3rd of what it would have cost him here, and settled down with some girl he said takes very good care of him. I don't have anything against Oklahoma. I've only driven through 3 or 4 times, and don't really remember much other than it being pretty flat. I would have trouble not having a beach nearby, but I'm sure you've got something comparable.
Tell you what, I'm not up for this schit anymore. I have a few legal issues that I get very riled up over. I am usually fairly passive, but when it comes to laws that infringe on my rights (ie: gun control, helmets, etc.), I get angry. I know no one here was pushing helmet laws, and I should have just left well enough alone. I did discover when I did my research that if you dug deep enough, you could find any stats you wanted, which is pretty much what the state of California did when retaining our helmet law. They pulled some statistic from the early 60's in Oregon where it basically stated that if you didn't wear a helmet, semi trucks would kill you. It was really obscure, but they hung alot on it. That's why accurate numbers were so important to me. The other thing I discovered was that on my worst day, the numbers were pretty even, and on my best day helmets were more dangerous, yet they STILL made it a law requiring them. I would have thought with the numbers being so close that a law would have been out of the question, but I later discovered the real reason we lost was because we didn't spend the same money that the helmet manufacturers did. So much for the American Way. Anyway, let's let this die. How's your eBay stuff coming along? I buy and sell there all the time. My ID is PKRWUD (surprise), if you want to view my feedback. I can help you with whatever you need. You will do well to have a digital camera. What kind of stuff are you selling? If you need any help, just email me and I'll walk you through it. Take care, ~Chris ------------------ Retired Moderator MustangNet My site: Peckerwoods Pit Stop My teams site: Jim Porter Racing RACECAR spelled backwards is RACECAR HEY !!! Are you ASE Certified ??? If you are, ask me about iATN. |
***I would have trouble not having a beach nearby, but I'm sure you've got something comparable.
Nope, I wish there was a beach here though. =( Yeah you should'n't have to wear a helmet if you don't want to, but I see all these younger guys riding dumb without helmets, and think that they are just IT. I do see your point though. The helmet law here is, something like, you have to wear one if your under 18, and then after that it's your choice. I haven't started selling anything on EBAY yet, I really would like to though. I have a PRO 5.0 shifter, subframe connectors, Autometer Tach, moroso battery relocation kit, a slip-on pipe for an R1, a pipe for an R6, and some other stuff. I would put the stang stuff in the classifieds section on here, but does anyone really look at thoose? ------------------ -1989 GT, not stock. -2000 Camaro SS-A4, 13.4's bone stock. -1989 Chevy S-10, EX. Cab-383(500+hp on motor), tubbed, trick flow heads, trick flow pistons, etc... autometer phantom gauges, "built" 700R4, roll cage, lexan back window, corbeau seats, R.H.S. 5 harnesses, Fuel cell, convo pro wheels, 15x14's with 29x18.5 M/T'S on back, 15x4's on front, nitrous, and so much more! |
HEY, pkrwud & 1bad 89 let this rest in peace, both of you guy's are cool , chill it ain't worth it, i lived in hawaii & did'nt have to wear a helmet ,so i didntjust wore a bandana, but i also have seen some bad a$$ crash's where the guy would have been better off if , he did have a helmet but it don't matter , everyone has thier own opinion that's why we are american's & the rest of the world can't stand it , harley , jap bike , hey it's all about getting in the wind ,kinda like an indian on his horse , it's how you want to ride , almost like how do you want to drive your car , dog it for the rush , or just cruise &enjoy what you see .don't know if i am making sense , hell i never do anyway, see ya.
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No flames, we are all cool with each other.
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Well this has been interesting! http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/rolleyes.gif Im glad this is coming to an end because my 2 cents are on the end of my tongue. Wheww!
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1st----Harleys suck @ss always have and I dont think my age has anything to do with it. I am speaking from experience everyone I know with a Harley complains about what a pyle of sh!t they are.
Harleys are nothing more than trendy and way overpriced POS! Lets think about it what do you get with a harley... A terrible ride Annoying vibration Annoying noise "all that noise and slow as hell http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/rolleyes.gif" constant repair bills 2nd-----I really dont see were all of you get off talking about how dumb people on bikes are that speed through traffic and do wheelies. I have seen many of you post kills that you got on the highway GEEZ!! isnt that equally as dumb. I hear of way more people dying in cars street racing than I do dying on motorcycles doing wheelies. Maybe the Harley people are jealous cause they cant do a wheely I dont know. To whoever it was that said wearing a helmet is dangerous ...GET A PHUCKING CLUE if not for helmets my dad would be dead!!!! right now. He got knocked 30ft in the air landed on his head and was in a coma for a week but thanks to the helmet he is still here today |
Dude, you missed the boat, this arguement was already closing. No point going off. Besides, I don't think many people have the patience to read this far http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif
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I'm not saying Porsche is junk by any means. Just pointing out the brutal truth that Harley knew they could not build a good engine.
Your insistance that Porsche had a "hand" in building it is pretty misleading though. Again, people in my family who work with guys in the machine industry have direct knowledge that ALL designing of the EVO engines was done by Porsche. The shops here did the machining for the engines. The engines are assembled here in the US to cloud that fact. Porsche basically designed an engine, sent an instruction manual on how to build it, and Harley stamps USA on it. My feeling on Harley's being around since the 1960's and earlier is some nuts decide they are worth 1000's and 1000's of dollars in repair bills and restoration. I've always found the Harley Davidson topic to evoke a lot of emotions from people. I'm not sure why to tell you the truth. Perhaps it's the idea that they are the US and the rest of the rockets are outsiders? Who knows, but the general dislike for one type of biker to the next is somewhat interesting. Each group accusing the other of riding a piece of **** . The rocket guy complaining about the Harley being a boat anchor, the Harley rider complaining about the rocket guy always in a hurry. The Harley rider bitching about the rocket being stupid sounding, the rocket rider complaining that the Harley sounds like **** and is too damn loud. They generally disagree on everything, and only stereotypes and single fluke instance cases come out in the arguments. I honestly feel that the rocket crowd just can't understand why the Harley riders like their bikes, and the Harley riders have actual hatred and anger directed at the rocket guys because they can't figure out why a Harley is so great. I'll definately have to say the Harley guys have the biggest egos. It's rather fun to watch them crushed from time to time. They pull up to the dyno when 3 other new 600cc sportbikes rip off 100rwhp and they roll their built S&S motored Harley up there expecting to best that with their suped up engine being over 2x as big. When they fail to see triple digit power they always get pissed. So the dyno guy tries to explain torque vs hp and rpms. Doesn't matter. Kinda nice to see the rocket guy flip out when his new "nothing's faster" 600cc bike puts down only 3 more hp with a pipe and jet kit vs stock too. That and the old FZR 1000 just before him that's all clapped out drops down 30 more hp than he does missing on 1 cylinder to 4500rpm because of the rings being so bad. Hahahaha! |
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