Let's Tell Mm&ff What We Think Of Excessive Motorsports!

06-25-2002, 02:35 AM

Everything I gather, every little bit of info, will be printed out and sent to the editor of MM&FF.

1)Would you ever do any kind of business with Excessive Motorsports? Why?

2) Do you support MM&FF's advertising of Excessive Motorsports (Blue Springs, MO) in their magazine? Why or why not?

3) If this support continues, will you cancel or consider cancelling your subscription? Why or why not?

4) Do you believe MM&FF is more concerned about their profits from advertisement than their susbscribers? Why or why not?

Crazy Horse GT · 06-25-2002, 02:51 AM

i heard a couple of thing's, but are they really that bad? i dont know, never dealt with them, if they are, thank's for the heads up,l8ter

Hethj7 · 06-25-2002, 08:38 AM

ummm, good post.

1) I live about 40 minutes from Blue Springs....therefore the only reason I would do business with them is because they are close to me. I first ordered my GT-40 intake from them about 4 years ago. I got the run around on why it wasn't in for probably a month. I was told it was on backorder, which it may have been. But, I cancelled my order, called up Summit, and had a GT-40 intake at my front door in about 4 days (and at a cheaper price). Now, in four years things may have cahnged, but I don't know. I know other people in the KC (btw, blue Springs is a suburb of KC) area that don't think too highly of them either.
I will say they seem to have a very knowledgeable tech staff though.

2) I dont' really care about the advertising in MM&FF. That is where the magazine generates most of its revenue, so if someone wants to pay the money to advertise with them, I guess that is fine by me.

3)I wouldn't cancel my subscription over advertisements of Excessive Motorsports.

4)MM&FF may very well be more concerned with profits than its readers. But, they are a business so that is somewhat understandable. They need to strike a balance between profits and caring for their readers. Take their tests and reviews for what they may or may not be worth. When advertisers are shelling out a ton of money to MM&FF, chances are the reviews in the magazine will not be critical even if they should be.

Mr 5 0 · 06-25-2002, 09:05 AM

1. No.

They have aquired a bad reputation as demonstrated by many angry ex-customers posting on Mustang Works Online.

2. Yes.

Excessive Motorsports is a legitimate business and the magazine cannot be held directly responsible for the policies or poor performance of it's advertisers.

My guess is that Excessive could show you lots of letters and e-mail from happy, satisified customers over the years.

Think of it this way; if they screwed every single customer, they wouldn't be in business. The market isn't that large and there are lots of competitors out there, as we know.

3. No.

See answer #2.

4. Yes.

They are a business, not a charity or a non-profit organization. No ads, no magazine; subscriptions and newstand sales only pay the overhead, if that.

Mustang Works Online and similar websites give you the true scoop on products from the people who own and use them. Never trust a magazine test, just use them as a guide.

89 Cobra LX · 06-25-2002, 09:12 AM

Make sure you read the post in Windsor Power about these jerk-offs. They've given a lot of folks a hard time.

mustanggt350 · 06-25-2002, 11:39 AM

WOW!!! Good questions.

1. Yes, every business has disappointed customers. On the other hand, just like Mr. 50 said, they must have happy customers because they are still in business. You can't please everyone.

2. Yes, supporting a magazine is not an easy job!!! They cannot survive solely on subscriptions alone. Advertising pays for a good portion of the magazine.

3. NO, I buy the magazine for information, not advertisements. Don't shoot the messenger!! You are a grown up, if you don't want to use them, don't. It is a free country.

4. Bottom line, it IS a business, and as much as we want to believe that the world revolves around us readers, it doesn't. It's all about the Benjamin’s baby!!

RED92LX50 · 06-25-2002, 12:47 PM

Maybe the best way to approach this would be every time a newbie joins the board and asks what their first mod should be...we could all say "Gears, Exhaust, and NEVER order from EXCESSIVE MOTORSPORTS"...

Unit 5302 · 06-25-2002, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fiveoboy01
Everything I gather, every little bit of info, will be printed out and sent to the editor of MM&FF.

1)Would you ever do any kind of business with Excessive Motorsports? Why?

2) Do you support MM&FF's advertising of Excessive Motorsports (Blue Springs, MO) in their magazine? Why or why not?

3) If this support continues, will you cancel or consider cancelling your subscription? Why or why not?

4) Do you believe MM&FF is more concerned about their profits from advertisement than their susbscribers? Why or why not?

1) No. They are a horrible business that has a negative rating with the better business bureau.

2) No. They are supporting a known bad business when they have a responsibility to their readers to deliever quality information. As far as I'm concerned, they need to take a moral stand.

3) I already don't have a subscription, but I do buy the magazine off the shelf occationally when I'm looking for parts. I would be likely to hold a grudge against a publication for allowing known negative businesses to use their pages.

4) Yes. They are a business, and they have to weigh on thing against the other. They are not a stand alone business as they are owned by Petersen Publications so I doubt they have total authority over their pages anyway.

Hethj7 · 06-25-2002, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RED92LX50
Maybe the best way to approach this would be every time a newbie joins the board and asks what their first mod should be...we could all say "Gears, Exhaust, and NEVER order from EXCESSIVE MOTORSPORTS"...

Ha Ha....well said

!

mustanggt350 · 06-26-2002, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Unit 5302

They are not a stand alone business as they are owned by Petersen Publications so I doubt they have total authority over their pages anyway.

They have not been owned by Peterson Publications for a couple of years now!!! It is Primedia footing the bill and they are the only publication house supporting car enthusiast magazines!!! You might want to check your info!!!

PKRWUD · 06-26-2002, 12:45 AM

Hey kell, when it comes to this, you've met your match in Shelby. i'd just give in if I were you.

Take care,
-Chris

mustanggt350 · 06-26-2002, 12:47 AM

And also, Petterson Publications was a private publication house, The magazines had a lot more say in what happened back then.

The Deuce · 06-26-2002, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mustanggt350

They have not been owned by Peterson Publications for a couple of years now!!! It is Primedia footing the bill and they are the only publicaton house supporting car magazines!!! You might want to check your info!!!

Does Primedia own FHM (the other one!) I have no idea what it stands for, but its the people that run Car & Driver/Road & Track. Just wondering, cuz I thought those were seperate, and Autoweek/Cycleworld group.
Just looking to cause trouble, and maybe learn something new.

PKRWUD · 06-26-2002, 12:51 AM

You GO, girl

can anybody else feel the heat???

mustanggt350 · 06-26-2002, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Deuce

Does Primedia own FHM (the other one!) I have no idea what it stands for, but its the people that run Car & Driver/Road & Track. Just wondering, cuz I thought those were seperate, and Autoweek/Cycleworld group.
Just looking to cause trouble, and maybe learn something new.

Car & Driver and Road and Track are not enthusiest magazines, they are broad reach magazines. Totally different, they are not owned by Primeda. In fact I don't know who publishes them.

Sorry I'm in a mood!!

PKRWUD · 06-26-2002, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mustanggt350
Sorry I'm in a mood!!

Well shucks, so am I. Must be a full moon thing.

Take care,
-Chris

The Deuce · 06-26-2002, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mustanggt350

Car & Driver and Road and Track are not enthusiest magazines, they are broad reach magazines. Totally different, they are not owned by Primeda. In fact I don't know who publishes them.

Sorry I'm in a mood!!

No worries. I see the difference now. I read those so my friends think I'm smart. Read the Mustang ones so I actually am. Wouldn't have noticed the mood if you hadn't poitned it out.

May I buy you a drink?

mustanggt350 · 06-26-2002, 01:11 AM

Don't get fresh!! LOL

just kidding

Ya'all have a good night, it's been a long day, and I have another one tomorrow!!

Later,

Shelby

PKRWUD · 06-26-2002, 01:13 AM

Screw it. Hi Mike, make mine a 7&7.

The Deuce · 06-26-2002, 01:16 AM

I'm fresh out of Soda

Not that it ever stopped me before!

06-25-2002, 02:35 AM	#1
fiveoboy01 Guest Posts: n/a	Let's Tell Mm&ff What We Think Of Excessive Motorsports! Everything I gather, every little bit of info, will be printed out and sent to the editor of MM&FF. 1)Would you ever do any kind of business with Excessive Motorsports? Why? 2) Do you support MM&FF's advertising of Excessive Motorsports (Blue Springs, MO) in their magazine? Why or why not? 3) If this support continues, will you cancel or consider cancelling your subscription? Why or why not? 4) Do you believe MM&FF is more concerned about their profits from advertisement than their susbscribers? Why or why not?

06-25-2002, 08:38 AM	#3
Hethj7 Mizzou Tigers Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: weston, MO United States Posts: 1,455	ummm, good post. 1) I live about 40 minutes from Blue Springs....therefore the only reason I would do business with them is because they are close to me. I first ordered my GT-40 intake from them about 4 years ago. I got the run around on why it wasn't in for probably a month. I was told it was on backorder, which it may have been. But, I cancelled my order, called up Summit, and had a GT-40 intake at my front door in about 4 days (and at a cheaper price). Now, in four years things may have cahnged, but I don't know. I know other people in the KC (btw, blue Springs is a suburb of KC) area that don't think too highly of them either. I will say they seem to have a very knowledgeable tech staff though. 2) I dont' really care about the advertising in MM&FF. That is where the magazine generates most of its revenue, so if someone wants to pay the money to advertise with them, I guess that is fine by me. 3)I wouldn't cancel my subscription over advertisements of Excessive Motorsports. 4)MM&FF may very well be more concerned with profits than its readers. But, they are a business so that is somewhat understandable. They need to strike a balance between profits and caring for their readers. Take their tests and reviews for what they may or may not be worth. When advertisers are shelling out a ton of money to MM&FF, chances are the reviews in the magazine will not be critical even if they should be. __________________ 2006 Mustang GT 1990 LX GT-40 motor 262 horsepower, 307ft-lbs (sold but forever loved) 1998 Contour SVT Rice Haters Club Member #244

06-25-2002, 09:05 AM	#4
Mr 5 0 Conservative Individualist Join Date: May 1997 Location: Wherever I need to be Posts: 7,487	Excessive Motorsports complaint 1. No. They have aquired a bad reputation as demonstrated by many angry ex-customers posting on Mustang Works Online. 2. Yes. Excessive Motorsports is a legitimate business and the magazine cannot be held directly responsible for the policies or poor performance of it's advertisers. My guess is that Excessive could show you lots of letters and e-mail from happy, satisified customers over the years. Think of it this way; if they screwed every single customer, they wouldn't be in business. The market isn't that large and there are lots of competitors out there, as we know. 3. No. See answer #2. 4. Yes. They are a business, not a charity or a non-profit organization. No ads, no magazine; subscriptions and newstand sales only pay the overhead, if that. Mustang Works Online and similar websites give you the true scoop on products from the people who own and use them. Never trust a magazine test, just use them as a guide.

06-25-2002, 09:12 AM	#5
89 Cobra LX Don Corlione Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Omaha NE USA Posts: 491	Make sure you read the post in Windsor Power about these jerk-offs. They've given a lot of folks a hard time. __________________ Eric - 89 Mustang LX coupe 5 speed 302-Cobra Intake-GT40p heads-TFS stage 1 cam-FRPP 1.6 roller rockers-3:73 gears-KYB shocks and struts-Eibach Pro-kit-HPM Mega-bite upper and lower control arms-FRPP aluminum driveshaft-16x8 Chrome Cobra Rs R.H.C. #14

06-25-2002, 11:39 AM	#6
mustanggt350 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 173	WOW!!! Good questions. 1. Yes, every business has disappointed customers. On the other hand, just like Mr. 50 said, they must have happy customers because they are still in business. You can't please everyone. 2. Yes, supporting a magazine is not an easy job!!! They cannot survive solely on subscriptions alone. Advertising pays for a good portion of the magazine. 3. NO, I buy the magazine for information, not advertisements. Don't shoot the messenger!! You are a grown up, if you don't want to use them, don't. It is a free country. 4. Bottom line, it IS a business, and as much as we want to believe that the world revolves around us readers, it doesn't. It's all about the Benjamin’s baby!! __________________ Quiet women rarely make history!! 1991 Medium Red Mustang GT (Scarlet)

06-25-2002, 02:51 AM	#2
Crazy Horse GT Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sale Creek, TN. C. S. A. Posts: 4,652	i heard a couple of thing's, but are they really that bad? i dont know, never dealt with them, if they are, thank's for the heads up,l8ter __________________ 95 gt vert, lot's of stuff, it aint slow. 04 sonic blue v - six my beater 89 rs camaro iroc turbo hood, other stuff, my wifes ride 84 lx stang cammed up 289 hi po, etc 65 falcon, maybe by the year 2020. black 00gt, gone but never forgotten. R H C- member # 1 o.b.c. da prez- member # 1 if your under 40 dont ask. goodbye for now odie,r.i.p. 11-27-03

06-25-2002, 12:47 PM	#7
RED92LX50 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 220	Maybe the best way to approach this would be every time a newbie joins the board and asks what their first mod should be...we could all say "Gears, Exhaust, and NEVER order from EXCESSIVE MOTORSPORTS"... __________________ 1992 LX 5.0 Convertible Red/Blk Gears, Exhaust, bolt-ons... R.H.C. #51

06-26-2002, 12:45 AM	#11
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	Hey kell, when it comes to this, you've met your match in Shelby. i'd just give in if I were you. Take care, -Chris __________________ Webmaster: Rice Haters Club Jim Porter Racing Peckerwoods Pit Stop Support Your Local RED & WHITE!

06-26-2002, 12:47 AM	#12
mustanggt350 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 173	And also, Petterson Publications was a private publication house, The magazines had a lot more say in what happened back then. __________________ Quiet women rarely make history!! 1991 Medium Red Mustang GT (Scarlet)

06-26-2002, 12:51 AM	#14
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	You GO, girl can anybody else feel the heat??? __________________ Webmaster: Rice Haters Club Jim Porter Racing Peckerwoods Pit Stop Support Your Local RED & WHITE!

06-26-2002, 01:11 AM	#18
mustanggt350 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 173	Don't get fresh!! LOL just kidding Ya'all have a good night, it's been a long day, and I have another one tomorrow!! Later, Shelby __________________ Quiet women rarely make history!! 1991 Medium Red Mustang GT (Scarlet)

06-26-2002, 01:13 AM	#19
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	Screw it. Hi Mike, make mine a 7&7. __________________ Webmaster: Rice Haters Club Jim Porter Racing Peckerwoods Pit Stop Support Your Local RED & WHITE!

06-26-2002, 01:16 AM	#20
The Deuce Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,325	I'm fresh out of Soda Not that it ever stopped me before! __________________ 1997 Mustang GT "The Freak" - 13.80 @ 101.70, 2.07 60' 1995 Honda VFR750 - not much @ really fast (actual data pending.) 1964.5 Mustang 289 Rice Haters Club Member #13

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