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PKRWUD · 06-26-2002, 04:35 PM

I hate to say it, but Dark_5.0 is right. I work on a lot of Mustangs, but I work on a lot of other cars, too, including Camaros. They simply respond better to mods. If you were looking for the best bang for the buck, then Camaro wins, hands down. But to me, there is alot more to owning a vehicle than simply bang for the buck. I don't own either one, and I doubt I ever will. I'm much more into sleepers, and more uncommon vehicles, but between the two, I would much rather own a slower Mustang than a faster Camaro. The Camaros just went ugly. It has to be faster, because no one in their right mind would want to be seen in one. The Mustang, on the other hand, get's better and better looking every year, IMO, with the exception of the Mustang II years.

As far as pushrod V8's are concerned, the LS1 blows the 5.0 away. It's not even close. Ford's technology sucked, and they made some really stupid errors that should have been corrected. There are not enough bolts holding the heads on, the intake manifold has no end support, the oil pump sump is a joke (but that's the price you pay for putting the distributor in the front, where the oil RUNS AWAY FROM when you accelerate), and damn near every one of them leaks oil in front of the intake, above the oil filter. BOTH of their V8 firing orders have sequentially fired cylinders that are next to each other on the same bank. That is a BIG no-no. The angle of the V that the Windsor block has is way to narrow, forcing the exhaust to take a very sharp, restrictive angle when it exits the engine, and inhibiting the intake charge from getting to the combustion chambers smoothly. There are more, but you get the idea. The LS1 was a step in the right direction, by improving on an engine that has won more races, and outlasted more engines, than any other.

Ford's saving grace was two-fold: First, for the most part, their cars and trucks always looked better. Most people would rather be seen in a Ford, but liked the power of a Chevy. Second was the fact that they went all out on their development of the modular engine. Chevy won't be able to touch it, and before long, will find themselves in a very bad situation. The future is Ford's modular engines, and they all ready have a 12 year head start over everybody else.

Now, before any of you jump up on your high horses and start bashing on me, remember where it is that I am. I am here. I love this site, and I love Mustangs. I also love Fords. But it is the truth that I put the very highest value on, and it is the truth that I have expressed here.

Peace.

Take care,
-Chris

06-26-2002, 04:35 PM	#11
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	I hate to say it, but Dark_5.0 is right. I work on a lot of Mustangs, but I work on a lot of other cars, too, including Camaros. They simply respond better to mods. If you were looking for the best bang for the buck, then Camaro wins, hands down. But to me, there is alot more to owning a vehicle than simply bang for the buck. I don't own either one, and I doubt I ever will. I'm much more into sleepers, and more uncommon vehicles, but between the two, I would much rather own a slower Mustang than a faster Camaro. The Camaros just went ugly. It has to be faster, because no one in their right mind would want to be seen in one. The Mustang, on the other hand, get's better and better looking every year, IMO, with the exception of the Mustang II years. As far as pushrod V8's are concerned, the LS1 blows the 5.0 away. It's not even close. Ford's technology sucked, and they made some really stupid errors that should have been corrected. There are not enough bolts holding the heads on, the intake manifold has no end support, the oil pump sump is a joke (but that's the price you pay for putting the distributor in the front, where the oil RUNS AWAY FROM when you accelerate), and damn near every one of them leaks oil in front of the intake, above the oil filter. BOTH of their V8 firing orders have sequentially fired cylinders that are next to each other on the same bank. That is a BIG no-no. The angle of the V that the Windsor block has is way to narrow, forcing the exhaust to take a very sharp, restrictive angle when it exits the engine, and inhibiting the intake charge from getting to the combustion chambers smoothly. There are more, but you get the idea. The LS1 was a step in the right direction, by improving on an engine that has won more races, and outlasted more engines, than any other. Ford's saving grace was two-fold: First, for the most part, their cars and trucks always looked better. Most people would rather be seen in a Ford, but liked the power of a Chevy. Second was the fact that they went all out on their development of the modular engine. Chevy won't be able to touch it, and before long, will find themselves in a very bad situation. The future is Ford's modular engines, and they all ready have a 12 year head start over everybody else. Now, before any of you jump up on your high horses and start bashing on me, remember where it is that I am. I am here. I love this site, and I love Mustangs. I also love Fords. But it is the truth that I put the very highest value on, and it is the truth that I have expressed here. Peace. Take care, -Chris __________________ Webmaster: Rice Haters Club Jim Porter Racing Peckerwoods Pit Stop Support Your Local RED & WHITE!