[bigwhitecobra]

You are wrong as you can be. As I've stated to you before: the very knowledge of God and Jesus you claim to believe in came to you from the bible. Whether you first heard about God and Jesus from your parents, a minister, a friend or a tract or book, all knowlege we have today of God and Christ came from the bible. You cannnot deny this with any credibility.

Yes, the God of Gods that we know of today did come from the Bible. But what of before that? Where did those Gods come from? How did man know that there was a Great Creator? Look at the sky, point in the air and tell me where it ends. Tell me how it came to be. ALL mankind knows that there is a God of some sort. Some believe differently than others. Whether you worship Budda, Allah, Zues, whomever, the point stands that through out history, man knew that someone, or something created this Earth. That in and of itself is the basis of my belief.

Same faulty premise I shot down long before with the fact that God is omnipotent - all powerful - and did not allow mortal men to lie about him and call it 'God's Word'. You apparently assume an 'absent God' that simply watches mankind from heaven, like we would watch ants in an ant farm, and that He has no hand in our lives at all. Not so. His Word is true because He kept it that way. Your mistrust of the God you claim to believe in is rather sad.

God may be omnipotent, but He gave man free will. Believing that men are incapable of Changing the word of God is absurd, and you show your ignorance. King James himself changed the Bible in his version. In his translation, some words could not be translated, so in all his wisdom, he substitued what he thought should fit. Did God willfully allow this to happen, who knows. Maybe it is as God wanted it to be, but the word of God has been molested over the years to fit with what the writers felt it should mean. Get over it. Deal with it, and move along.

Leviticus 20, verse 13: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Show me where is says a woman shouldn't lie with another woman.

The New Testament instructs believers to be pure and sexually undefiled and it mentions homosexuality as a sin. That makes the case against lesbianism quite clearly. Jesus didn't mention drug use, either, but the admonition against allowing anything to 'master you' alludes to all forms of addiction, including drugs. Breaking the law is also forbidden unless that law goes against bibical instruction. Wake up and actually read and try to understand the bible, it's context and it's purpose. It isn't about 'controlling' you, it's about God's love for you and how to live a fruitful, happy life. How tragic that you adopt the atheist view of God's Word and yet still prattle on about being a 'Christian'.

Again, show me. Point to it. Post the chapter and verse. I really want to read it.

"Great Teacher"? What an insult to the Son of God! Jesus was hardly written about by the Romans and many people convicted of crimes against the state were crucified in that period of history, not only Jesus. It was fairly common. Jesus was either who He said He was - God incarnate - or a total fraud and liar and certainly not someone to be worshipped. Make a choice - but can the 'great teacher' nonsense that insults His divinity.

So the Disciples were insulting Him too then? Did they not call Him the Great Teacher? Careful, your ignorance is showing.

Ignorance on stilts, again. Do you ever get embarrassed at your own lack of bibical knowledge when you try to deny the truth of scripture? Apparently not. You are looking at scripture like a child. Please, grow up, spiritually. Your 'point' is naive. First, this was in the very earliest part of earth existence. God supervised the entire operation. It had never rained on earth before this period. Water came from mists and springs, not the clouds. Noah had no idea what a boat (ark) was (they didn't exist) and no one had ever seen rain. Noah trusted God. He built the ark and God provided for all the living things to come aboard, not Noah. Noah was God's instrument, just as we are , today, when we choose to serve Him, as Noah did. Again, you try to place all kinds of human restrictions on an omnipotent God, which is why you can't understand the meaning of scripture. God is not bound - then or now - by what limits mankind. Space and time do not exist as barriers for God...He created them

I'm going to pretend I didn't read this, just so that you will re-read that part in the Bible, and see what it says about the great flood. I'm begining to think that you just like to argue, and that you really just don't want to admit that I just might have a point.

Moses lived at the same time as Ramesis(sp?), right? Well, we've seen the evidence of him having ran around the Earth. We've seen the evidence that his civilization was in the desert. Even after thousands of years. Now the Egyptians didn't keep records of thier faults, so I don't expect to hear or see anything from them that Moses and the Jews escaped from Egypt. However, there is no record of the Egyptians ever having Jews as slaves, other than the Bible, of course. Ignorance. it's really a shame that you are so narrow minded that you aren't capable of rational thought, or logical thought, rather. We learn more when we ask questions, they may be questions we can't answer, but we still learn from them. It's mind numbing that you are that self diluged(sp?), that you can't see the world before you. Calling me an atheist is not only the single most incoherant thought in the history of man, but it is just plain silly.

Nice try at condescension but it ignores the fact that most of what you are trying to justify here regarding your rejection of the bible is identical to that of every atheist I've every dealt with. Exactly the same. The only reason I've bothered to exchage messages with you is because you keep claiming to 'believe' in God and Christ as Savior. I attributted most of your sometimes incomprehensible statements to bibical ignorance. There is a lot of that going around. However, at this point I have come to other conclusions. You are either attempting to reject scripture because it sets moral absolutes that you don't like or want to be held to (very common) and/or you are really an atheist, playing games here. I suspect that you are more likely just a young guy that wants to cling to his 'belief' in God and Jesus and thinks he can do so while rejecting the only real source for his original belief to begin with. No bible - no rules - no morality - no pesky 'right and wrong' to deal with. Do as you please. God loves everybody, yada, yada, yada. Oh, you can still claim to 'believe' in God and His Son, Jesus, then disobey Him at will because, you see, the bible is a lie. Maybe even from SATAN! Yeah, right. Nice try at kidding yourself but it fails utterly with me, friend.

Again, you have got to take the blinders off sometime. I am not calling the Bible the work of the devil. I am trying to understand more about God. I am trying look at all the "evidence", if you will, and decide for myself what is and what isn't. My statement concerning the Bible being the work of the devil, was more of a statement to make you think, rather than accept. I know that of all people to have written the Bible, Satan is the least likely "person". I use that term loosely.

You are undoubtably the most hard headed person I have ever come across. I am willing to bet that you are Catholic. It's just a guess, but are you? There is no reason to argue with you anymore. I have alot to learn aout scripture, I'll admit. You have absolutly no concept of free thinking. You must be the type of person that takes everything at face value. I may not believe the Bible to be what it, and you, claim it to be, but if by divine intervention, or my own recognisince(sp?) I find the answers to my questions, and it brings me closer to God, then isn't that worth my time?

I am not concerned whether or not I am a "Christian" by your present deffinition of that word. I am concerned with what my relationship with God is, and no one can tell me how to worship Him, not even the Pope. Until God speaks to me and tells me in His human voice that I am 180 degrees out, I will continue believing what I feel I am supposed to believe.

You twist everything I say, making yourself feel like I am denouncing everything you believe in. This is far from the case. Careful that you do not judge what you don't understand. I can understand you questioning my methods, or questions, even my comments, but you don't have the right to call me something I am not.

I wish you well on your journy through life. May you be right and I be damned, for your sake. Take care. Later.