[dinomite]

Now then. The current camaros are faster than the current mustang, but lets look at some stuff (this is gonna get long):

I hate to bring up the displacement argument, as thats the ricers favorate thing to talk about, but here it applies differently. Ricers always talk about hp/L and how there gerbils make so much of it, sometimes as much as a stock mustang, but that power is made in the stratosphere (9000 rpm) and there is no torque to accompany it (case in point, integra type-r, 195hp, 127 ft/lbs). But between the 4.6L mustang, and the 5.7L camaro engine there is not as much discrepensy as there should be given the displacement. Ok, 2001 models now: Mustang makes 260hp@5250 and 300tq@4000 Camaro: 310@5200 340@4000. Those power and torque numbers occur at same (close) rpms, so you can't say that we only get power cause we rev through the roof. Lets do some quick math: the 4.6 makes 56.5hp/L and 65.2tq/L, the 5.7, 54.3 x 59.6. Where is all the power from that extra 1.1 liters (we have all heard ricers say this)? I just don't know. Where is all the torque (never heard em say this)? same place, up the collective GM a$$hole (sorry, cheap). With that big discrepency in displacement, I'd hope that the Z28 would be faster.

Lets go back a few years, to when the 'stang had a 5.0L and the camaro had the same 5.7; 1991. In this year, the stang and the maro both ran around 15, depending on driver (sources I checked said 15 for stang and 15.1 for maro, thats just driver), but the camaro had another .7 liters! With that extra .7 liters the camaro only made 20 more horses@400 more rpm and 45 more ft/lbs. By the ratios, GM was mising some horses, even thought they were on the ball as far as tq goes. The camaro had .7 extra liters, more power, and a good bit more toque, but still lost/tied. Whats going on

I see the root of all this problem as: GM=bad. DON'T JUMP ON ME TOO QUICK! The reason I say it like that is just because all of GM has really taken a bad turn over the past 15-20 years. As I have already pointed out, they can't engineer, nothing more to be said. The facts show it. But they also can't run a business, once again that is proven, GM themselves know that they are haveing trouble running the business (they loose money on EVERY softop cavalier that they sell), and over the last decade they brought in many a consulting firm to check it out and try to find the problem. Its very hard to pinpoint, as there are so many problems. GM products are badly designed (hello, whats with the new pontiac models??????), badly built (rattleboxes; this is cause they bully their suppliers), and badly marketed.

And one more thing, you cannot even compare the Mustang aftermarket to the Camaro one, the mustang one is indisputably much larger.

We around here don't think that camaros or corvettes are slow, we have respect for them.

5.0KILLER:you came here obviously trying to start fights, but, as you can see with this post, we are not like ricers or chevy people, we are very reasonable and will listen to anyone else who is reasonable. You can stay on the board and we will accept you as long as you don't blatantly start fights like this.

[This message has been edited by dinomite (edited 05-01-2001).]