OH NO!! Ford ruined the Mustang!!! - Page 2

Grabber1 · 12-05-2002, 03:49 PM

What is the top 1/4 mile time for a stock 01 Cobra? So far the best for a stock Mach 1 with stock tires is 13.13, and that was with a bad take off. We have several owners who will be dynoing in the next few weeks, so we will know the truth about these cars then. Team Mustang has been quoted " the 01 Cobra is no match for the Mach 1". I would say they would know better than anyone, since they built the things. And the motors are not identical, Jack Roush designed the drivetrain specifically for these cars. Check on the registry, we have already broken down the parts list of the motor forums, very few parts are common between the two motors.
Possibly the guy you beat just didn't know how to race.

Not trying to flame or anything, just posting the facts in case you didn't know.

With minor mods I believe this car could reach the 03 Cobra area.

Dark_5.0 · 12-05-2002, 03:55 PM

He actually took me off the line and I reeled him in.

MM&FF quoted the 01' cobra at 13.13 also.

The best I have done is a 13.66 @3000ft which would be a 13.30 @sea level.

Chech out the new car and driver they got a 14.0 out of the new mach 1.

01 cobras produce between 270 and 275 RWHP. stock

If you have any of your Mach 1 buddies that live anywhere near me. Set it up and bring a camera.

Grabber1 · 12-05-2002, 04:03 PM

I will let them know!

Regarding C+D, I really doubt they can drive either. They don't seem to like american made cars at all, but thats just my opinion.

ultraflo · 12-05-2002, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Grabber1
They don't seem to like american made cars at all, but thats just my opinion.

GOD HELP THEM!!!

Dark_5.0 · 12-05-2002, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Grabber1
I will let them know! Regarding C+D, I really doubt they can drive either. They don't seem to like american made cars at all, but thats just my opinion.

I agree with you there..........they only ran a 13.8 with my car.

They only ran a 14.7 with the new GT's

jj_jonathon · 12-05-2002, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ultraflo
That's a question that's been haunting me since I laid eyes upon those 'prototype' pictures... the damn thing looks like a BMW, or some other type of imported crap.

Not impressed.... ...not even a little bit.

you think BMW is crap?? god i hope not...lol....prolly just bad wording...

......

why did they never make a 2-seater mustang?...i know it wouldnt be a "pony" car....but still...i think my car would be a neat 2-seater....

ultraflo · 12-05-2002, 08:56 PM

No, you read that right... I believe that BMW's are over-engineered CRAP! If you ever own one, have to work on one, or have to buy a new exhaust system for one, for example, you'd understand.

They wear out just like any other car on the road... I get to hear people cry about the price of a replacement exhaust system on their 'beemers' when they stop in at the muffler shop. Ever price a system for a VW, er, uh, I mean BMW?

And they rot out just as quick as any other vehicle on the road with a rear mounted muffler.

Chevy Cavalier cat back exhaust system... $120-$150
BMW cat back exhaust system................... $1200-$1500+

(we're talking exhaust systems here, nothing exotic about that)

It's ridiculous!

0h n0 5.0 · 12-05-2002, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 302 LX Eric
/zipping up the 3 layer, ultra high tech flame suit/

I kind of like the lines of the car - not exactly what they've got going on in the pic, but maybe a little 'thinner' with similar lines. I definitely do not like the back - way too 'fat' or 'bulky'; reminds me of the big butt on the newer Corvettes.

Now go ahead and tell me I'm a nut, I'm a big boy!

E

hey bro we'll burn together..

i personally love it..
its different, edgier, kinda look like a zo6 from the back.. extremely sexy.. and this is bone stock remember people..

anybody got a picture of a hardtop?.. it soo 60's fastback i want a hardtop in sliver with side pipes

killer55 · 12-06-2002, 01:34 AM

Well,
Dark_5.0, I guess by the way you figure the Air Differences
by using the "See Level" method My Mach I would be running
in the 12.90's in T-Town since it is 2087 ft below "Oh" dessa's
mean sea level, and I always thought your State was "BAJA"
Oklahoma. Hell what do I know.
Sure would like to see ya come to the Mid America Meet and we could see how bad you Cobra is in a Straight Line and in a Round & Around fashion.

__________________
Past "FooRods"
64 Falcon Sprint-Red
68 Torino GT-Midnight Blue
69 Mach I-Red
76 Cobra II-Black/Gold Stripe
78 LTD II-Midnight Blue
82-Ranger-Desert Tan
99 F-150-Desert Tan

Present "FooRods"
84 F-150-Desert Tan
97-Explorer-Desert Tan
02 Mustang-Torch Red (Wanta "B" Cobra/Mach I)

Coming "FooRods"
03 Mustang Mach I-Damn Fast Red

PKRWUD · 12-06-2002, 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by killer55
Well,
Dark_5.0, I guess by the way you figure the Air Differences
by using the "See Level" method My Mach I would be running
in the 12.90's in T-Town since it is 2087 ft below "Oh" dessa's
mean sea level, and I always thought your State was "BAJA"
Oklahoma. Hell what do I know.
Sure would like to see ya come to the Mid America Meet and we could see how bad you Cobra is in a Straight Line and in a Round & Around fashion.

Okay, I'm sorry, but I'm not familiar with "T-town", or apparently the language you speak there. Could you write that one more time in American english?

Thanks

Dark_5.0 · 12-06-2002, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by killer55
Well,
Dark_5.0, I guess by the way you figure the Air Differences
by using the "See Level" method My Mach I would be running
in the 12.90's in T-Town since it is 2087 ft below "Oh" dessa's
mean sea level, and I always thought your State was "BAJA"
Oklahoma. Hell what do I know.
Sure would like to see ya come to the Mid America Meet and we could see how bad you Cobra is in a Straight Line and in a Round & Around fashion.

__________________
Past "FooRods"
64 Falcon Sprint-Red
68 Torino GT-Midnight Blue
69 Mach I-Red
76 Cobra II-Black/Gold Stripe
78 LTD II-Midnight Blue
82-Ranger-Desert Tan
99 F-150-Desert Tan

Present "FooRods"
84 F-150-Desert Tan
97-Explorer-Desert Tan
02 Mustang-Torch Red (Wanta "B" Cobra/Mach I)

Coming "FooRods"
03 Mustang Mach I-Damn Fast Red

By reading your sig it appears you dont even have your mach 1 yet.

Its not a sea level method. Its a fact cars run slower @ 3000ft.

I guess what I am trying to say is I know what my car runs and you are talking out of your @ss.

If you were to beat me, no problem...If I thought of my 01' cobra as a race car it wouldnt be stock.

A 13.6 hardly makes my cobra fast, and the question at hand here isnt mach 1 vs. 01' cobra........claims were made that the mach 1 could hang with the 03' cobra.

I dont doubt that with equal drivers the mach 1 would slightly beat the 01' cobra.

302 LX Eric · 12-06-2002, 12:56 PM

killer55

Question #1 - What the hell is 'T-Town'?

Question #2 - What's up with the 'BAJA' comment?

Question #3 - What makes you think that you'll chew up Dark_5.0 with a 2003 Mach 1? I'm serious here, I'd like some reasoning behind your implied claims.

E

Grabber1 · 12-10-2002, 04:08 PM

As promised here are the first dyno results for the 2003 Mach 1. Make your own decisions.

http://www.mach1registry.com/forums/...0438#post20438

Dark_5.0 · 12-11-2002, 11:30 AM

SAE corrected---- HP= 282.3 and the torque was 311.1

Actual numbers-- HP=297 and the torque was 327.3
______________________________________

Those are about what I expected to see. But now you must see why I think yall are retarded comparing that to a car that comes stock with.

390 HP and 390 TQ at the wheels.

I always thought the SAE corrected numbers were more accurate.

My friends 01' cobra dyno was 273 SAE corrected HP. with a K&N.

The 03' mach1 should be pretty quick with the 3.55 gears and LS-1 like HP.
nice torque curve
Later,

Grabber1 · 01-09-2003, 02:09 AM

In case anyone is interested, here is one of the latest 1/4 mile times for a totally stock 03 Mach 1 with a non-professional driver. 13.262 @ 105.78. I guess Killer55 might be right about T-Town this spring. (T-Town is Tulsa by the way.)

http://www.mach1registry.com/forums/...&threadid=2362

Later

Grabber1 · 01-10-2003, 02:28 AM

Oh and by the way, that 13.262@105.78...read the thread completely and you may notice that the Mach 1's time was better than that of two of the three 03 Cobras running that night. Imagine that, the 03 Mach 1 can run with the 03 Cobras.

Later

PKRWUD · 01-10-2003, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Grabber1
Oh and by the way, that 13.262@105.78...read the thread completely and you may notice that the Mach 1's time was better than that of two of the three 03 Cobras running that night. Imagine that, the 03 Mach 1 can run with the 03 Cobras.

Later

Sounds like a fairy tale to me.

Dark_5.0 · 01-10-2003, 10:55 AM

Yep with 400+ @ the wheels and street tires traction owns you.

The last week the track was open a 98 cobra with slicks and gears phucking smoked an 03 cobra by 6 tenths. I thought that was pretty cool.

13.26 aint bad,

12-05-2002, 03:49 PM	#21
Grabber1 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NE Georgia Posts: 37	What is the top 1/4 mile time for a stock 01 Cobra? So far the best for a stock Mach 1 with stock tires is 13.13, and that was with a bad take off. We have several owners who will be dynoing in the next few weeks, so we will know the truth about these cars then. Team Mustang has been quoted " the 01 Cobra is no match for the Mach 1". I would say they would know better than anyone, since they built the things. And the motors are not identical, Jack Roush designed the drivetrain specifically for these cars. Check on the registry, we have already broken down the parts list of the motor forums, very few parts are common between the two motors. Possibly the guy you beat just didn't know how to race. Not trying to flame or anything, just posting the facts in case you didn't know. With minor mods I believe this car could reach the 03 Cobra area. __________________ 66 Coupe SignalFlare Red 289 4V 70 Mach 1 Grabber Green 428CJ 02 F150 Flareside Black FX4 5.4L 03 Mach 1 Torch Red 4.6L DOHC Last edited by Grabber1; 12-05-2002 at 03:56 PM..

12-05-2002, 03:55 PM	#22
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	He actually took me off the line and I reeled him in. MM&FF quoted the 01' cobra at 13.13 also. The best I have done is a 13.66 @3000ft which would be a 13.30 @sea level. Chech out the new car and driver they got a 14.0 out of the new mach 1. 01 cobras produce between 270 and 275 RWHP. stock If you have any of your Mach 1 buddies that live anywhere near me. Set it up and bring a camera. __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

12-05-2002, 04:03 PM	#23
Grabber1 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NE Georgia Posts: 37	I will let them know! Regarding C+D, I really doubt they can drive either. They don't seem to like american made cars at all, but thats just my opinion. __________________ 66 Coupe SignalFlare Red 289 4V 70 Mach 1 Grabber Green 428CJ 02 F150 Flareside Black FX4 5.4L 03 Mach 1 Torch Red 4.6L DOHC

12-05-2002, 08:56 PM	#27
ultraflo NX dealer-man Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Peoria, Illinois Posts: 977	No, you read that right... I believe that BMW's are over-engineered CRAP! If you ever own one, have to work on one, or have to buy a new exhaust system for one, for example, you'd understand. They wear out just like any other car on the road... I get to hear people cry about the price of a replacement exhaust system on their 'beemers' when they stop in at the muffler shop. Ever price a system for a VW, er, uh, I mean BMW? And they rot out just as quick as any other vehicle on the road with a rear mounted muffler. Chevy Cavalier cat back exhaust system... $120-$150 BMW cat back exhaust system................... $1200-$1500+ (we're talking exhaust systems here, nothing exotic about that) It's ridiculous! __________________ RLS Racing! 93 LX 9.20 @ 147mph 03 Mach 1 12.39 @ 116mph

12-06-2002, 12:56 PM	#32
302 LX Eric or '331 LX Eric' Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 2,142	killer55 Question #1 - What the hell is 'T-Town'? Question #2 - What's up with the 'BAJA' comment? Question #3 - What makes you think that you'll chew up Dark_5.0 with a 2003 Mach 1? I'm serious here, I'd like some reasoning behind your implied claims. E __________________ 1991 5.0 LX Coupe - 40,750 miles 331 cu. in. / Tremec 3550 / BFG Drag Radials 12.22 @ 114.31 mph - w/1.89 60'

12-06-2002, 01:34 AM	#29
killer55 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: T-TOWN Posts: 1	Well, Dark_5.0, I guess by the way you figure the Air Differences by using the "See Level" method My Mach I would be running in the 12.90's in T-Town since it is 2087 ft below "Oh" dessa's mean sea level, and I always thought your State was "BAJA" Oklahoma. Hell what do I know. Sure would like to see ya come to the Mid America Meet and we could see how bad you Cobra is in a Straight Line and in a Round & Around fashion. __________________ Past "FooRods" 64 Falcon Sprint-Red 68 Torino GT-Midnight Blue 69 Mach I-Red 76 Cobra II-Black/Gold Stripe 78 LTD II-Midnight Blue 82-Ranger-Desert Tan 99 F-150-Desert Tan Present "FooRods" 84 F-150-Desert Tan 97-Explorer-Desert Tan 02 Mustang-Torch Red (Wanta "B" Cobra/Mach I) Coming "FooRods" 03 Mustang Mach I-Damn Fast Red

12-10-2002, 04:08 PM	#33
Grabber1 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NE Georgia Posts: 37	As promised here are the first dyno results for the 2003 Mach 1. Make your own decisions. http://www.mach1registry.com/forums/...0438#post20438 __________________ 66 Coupe SignalFlare Red 289 4V 70 Mach 1 Grabber Green 428CJ 02 F150 Flareside Black FX4 5.4L 03 Mach 1 Torch Red 4.6L DOHC

12-11-2002, 11:30 AM	#34
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	SAE corrected---- HP= 282.3 and the torque was 311.1 Actual numbers-- HP=297 and the torque was 327.3 ______________________________________ Those are about what I expected to see. But now you must see why I think yall are retarded comparing that to a car that comes stock with. 390 HP and 390 TQ at the wheels. I always thought the SAE corrected numbers were more accurate. My friends 01' cobra dyno was 273 SAE corrected HP. with a K&N. The 03' mach1 should be pretty quick with the 3.55 gears and LS-1 like HP. nice torque curve Later, __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer Last edited by Dark_5.0; 12-11-2002 at 11:36 AM..

01-09-2003, 02:09 AM	#35
Grabber1 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NE Georgia Posts: 37	In case anyone is interested, here is one of the latest 1/4 mile times for a totally stock 03 Mach 1 with a non-professional driver. 13.262 @ 105.78. I guess Killer55 might be right about T-Town this spring. (T-Town is Tulsa by the way.) http://www.mach1registry.com/forums/...&threadid=2362 Later __________________ 66 Coupe SignalFlare Red 289 4V 70 Mach 1 Grabber Green 428CJ 02 F150 Flareside Black FX4 5.4L 03 Mach 1 Torch Red 4.6L DOHC

01-10-2003, 02:28 AM	#36
Grabber1 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NE Georgia Posts: 37	Oh and by the way, that 13.262@105.78...read the thread completely and you may notice that the Mach 1's time was better than that of two of the three 03 Cobras running that night. Imagine that, the 03 Mach 1 can run with the 03 Cobras. Later __________________ 66 Coupe SignalFlare Red 289 4V 70 Mach 1 Grabber Green 428CJ 02 F150 Flareside Black FX4 5.4L 03 Mach 1 Torch Red 4.6L DOHC

01-10-2003, 10:55 AM	#38
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	Yep with 400+ @ the wheels and street tires traction owns you. The last week the track was open a 98 cobra with slicks and gears phucking smoked an 03 cobra by 6 tenths. I thought that was pretty cool. 13.26 aint bad, __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

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