Ricers on Bikes, ever seen this?

[PKRWUD]

1BAD89-

Please forgive me. I didn't realize that you knew more than some the Federal Department of Transportation, several state DOT's, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Bell helmets, several universities and a top trauma specialist. What was I thinking? You must be right. After all, a high school report certainly outweighs any of them!

Please. I have never suggested that you should never wear a helmet. In fact, I pointed to two documented studies that prove they are very beneficial if you're involved in an accident while driving under 13 mph! I'll let you in on a little secret: The reason the fatality rate is 3% higher for helmeted riders is because of all of the teen crotch rocket fatalities. They seem to think they are Superman with a helmet on and they drive wrecklessly. And your claim that most Harley accidents are fatal is beyond laughable. I didn't do a high school report, but I did spend several months researching facts when a movement was underway to repeal the California helmet law. I also spent 4 years working at the largest hospital in Ventura County; 2 years in nursing and 2 years in X-Ray. The vast majority of the Harley accidents were arm and leg injuries, usually caused by laying the bike down to avoid a driver making errant left turn, or because they were trying to take a corner too fast. The majority of ricer accident victims were fatalities. The only reason we saw them was because the ER doctor on duty had to pronounce them. Part of the reason this is true is because most Harley riders are enjoying the ride too much to try and race to get where they're going. They are also, on average, older and wiser, and have more years of riding experience. Ricer riders, on the other hand, tend to be younger, less experienced riders who are more apt to ride carelessly, driving like they were on a closed circuit track. their goal seems to be to tach out the bike every chance they get. If I was going to ride a bike at 140 mph, I would wear a helmet too. It wouldn't do a thing for me in an accident (except create an additional 560 pounds of weight on impact, according to the law of inertia. Unless of course you know more than the law of inertia, too!), but it would keep the bugs out. I imagine hitting a fly that fast would probably pierce my cheek. You can drop the hillbilly crap too. I'm a well educated and travelled individual who speaks from documented facts and personal experience. I won't even start on the whole Okie thing. You know how to type, so you are obviously above that standard.

In any case, whether you go by your high school report or federal and state reports doesn't matter. You are set in your ways, and I in mine. I don't tell anyone not to wear a helmet, but I will dispell the myth that a rider is always safer with one on. I wouldn't force my insecurities on someone else if it might take their life.

~C

P.S. You never said, how often do you wear a helmet while driving your Mustang or your Camaro (or is the DOT and NHTSA wrong about those facts too?)? Seeing as your S-10 is so heavily modified, I'm sure you always wear a helmet while driving it, so I won't even insult you by asking.

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[1BAD89]

I do wear a helmet when I drive my S-10. ;o)
Yeah fatal impact to the head, is what like 13.7mph? But helmets have saved alot of lives, where people were going alot faster than 13mph. I was riding with a group of about 15 riders, a girl crashes going about 80mph, goes off the side of the road, flips, the bike is totaled in a ditch, she's about 20 feet from it, she walked away with a thumb injury, without a helmet she would have been dead. Might not sound like much, a high school report, but I spent 5 months researching helmet law's, stat's, etc...but it's ok, we both have our opinions. Most harley deaths around here could have been prevented. And where do you think I got all of my facts, from the same exact places you just listed.

***I won't even start on the whole Okie thing. You know how to type, so you are obviously above that standard.

Anyway...about that Okie comment, if your ignorant enough to think everyone in the state of Oklahoma rides horses, and are Cowboy's and Indians, then you are truly mistaken. What standard is that? Please enlighten me, I'm waiting....

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[This message has been edited by 1BAD89 (edited 10-17-2001).]

[PKRWUD]

The same standard that associates Harley riders with hillbillies. Actually, one of my best buddies from way back lives in Broken Arrow, OK. He used to make fun of the natives, but only because he felt out of place. He loves it now. Bought a nice house for about 1/3rd of what it would have cost him here, and settled down with some girl he said takes very good care of him. I don't have anything against Oklahoma. I've only driven through 3 or 4 times, and don't really remember much other than it being pretty flat. I would have trouble not having a beach nearby, but I'm sure you've got something comparable.

Tell you what, I'm not up for this schit anymore. I have a few legal issues that I get very riled up over. I am usually fairly passive, but when it comes to laws that infringe on my rights (ie: gun control, helmets, etc.), I get angry. I know no one here was pushing helmet laws, and I should have just left well enough alone. I did discover when I did my research that if you dug deep enough, you could find any stats you wanted, which is pretty much what the state of California did when retaining our helmet law. They pulled some statistic from the early 60's in Oregon where it basically stated that if you didn't wear a helmet, semi trucks would kill you. It was really obscure, but they hung alot on it. That's why accurate numbers were so important to me. The other thing I discovered was that on my worst day, the numbers were pretty even, and on my best day helmets were more dangerous, yet they STILL made it a law requiring them. I would have thought with the numbers being so close that a law would have been out of the question, but I later discovered the real reason we lost was because we didn't spend the same money that the helmet manufacturers did. So much for the American Way.

Anyway, let's let this die.

How's your eBay stuff coming along? I buy and sell there all the time. My ID is PKRWUD (surprise), if you want to view my feedback. I can help you with whatever you need. You will do well to have a digital camera. What kind of stuff are you selling? If you need any help, just email me and I'll walk you through it.

Take care,
~Chris

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[1BAD89]

***I would have trouble not having a beach nearby, but I'm sure you've got something comparable.

Nope, I wish there was a beach here though.
=(

Yeah you should'n't have to wear a helmet if you don't want to, but I see all these younger guys riding dumb without helmets, and think that they are just IT. I do see your point though. The helmet law here is, something like, you have to wear one if your under 18, and then after that it's your choice. I haven't started selling anything on EBAY yet, I really would like to though. I have a PRO 5.0 shifter, subframe connectors, Autometer Tach, moroso battery relocation kit, a slip-on pipe for an R1, a pipe for an R6, and some other stuff. I would put the stang stuff in the classifieds section on here, but does anyone really look at thoose?

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[Crazy Horse GT]

HEY, pkrwud & 1bad 89 let this rest in peace, both of you guy's are cool , chill it ain't worth it, i lived in hawaii & did'nt have to wear a helmet ,so i didntjust wore a bandana, but i also have seen some bad a$$ crash's where the guy would have been better off if , he did have a helmet but it don't matter , everyone has thier own opinion that's why we are american's & the rest of the world can't stand it , harley , jap bike , hey it's all about getting in the wind ,kinda like an indian on his horse , it's how you want to ride , almost like how do you want to drive your car , dog it for the rush , or just cruise &enjoy what you see .don't know if i am making sense , hell i never do anyway, see ya.

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[1BAD89]

No flames, we are all cool with each other.

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-2000 Camaro SS-A4,
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-1989 Chevy S-10, EX. Cab-383(500+hp on motor), tubbed, trick flow heads, trick flow pistons, etc... autometer phantom gauges, "built" 700R4, roll cage, lexan back window, corbeau seats, R.H.S. 5 harnesses, Fuel cell, convo pro wheels, 15x14's with 29x18.5 M/T'S on back, 15x4's on front, nitrous, and so much more!

[crewzin]

Well this has been interesting! Im glad this is coming to an end because my 2 cents are on the end of my tongue. Wheww!

[Dark_5.0]

1st----Harleys suck @ss always have and I dont think my age has anything to do with it. I am speaking from experience everyone I know with a Harley complains about what a pyle of sh!t they are.
Harleys are nothing more than trendy and way overpriced POS! Lets think about it what do you get with a harley...

A terrible ride
Annoying vibration
Annoying noise "all that noise and slow as hell "
constant repair bills

2nd-----I really dont see were all of you get off talking about how dumb people on bikes are that speed through traffic and do wheelies. I have seen many of you post kills that you got on the highway GEEZ!! isnt that equally as dumb.

I hear of way more people dying in cars street racing than I do dying on motorcycles doing wheelies. Maybe the Harley people are jealous cause they cant do a wheely I dont know.

To whoever it was that said wearing a helmet is dangerous ...GET A PHUCKING CLUE if not for helmets my dad would be dead!!!! right now. He got knocked 30ft in the air landed on his head and was in a coma for a week but thanks to the helmet he is still here today

[95mustanggt]

Dude, you missed the boat, this arguement was already closing. No point going off. Besides, I don't think many people have the patience to read this far

Glad to see all has ended with no flames.

[Unit 5302]

I'm not saying Porsche is junk by any means. Just pointing out the brutal truth that Harley knew they could not build a good engine.

Your insistance that Porsche had a "hand" in building it is pretty misleading though. Again, people in my family who work with guys in the machine industry have direct knowledge that ALL designing of the EVO engines was done by Porsche. The shops here did the machining for the engines. The engines are assembled here in the US to cloud that fact. Porsche basically designed an engine, sent an instruction manual on how to build it, and Harley stamps USA on it.

My feeling on Harley's being around since the 1960's and earlier is some nuts decide they are worth 1000's and 1000's of dollars in repair bills and restoration.

I've always found the Harley Davidson topic to evoke a lot of emotions from people. I'm not sure why to tell you the truth. Perhaps it's the idea that they are the US and the rest of the rockets are outsiders? Who knows, but the general dislike for one type of biker to the next is somewhat interesting. Each group accusing the other of riding a piece of **** . The rocket guy complaining about the Harley being a boat anchor, the Harley rider complaining about the rocket guy always in a hurry. The Harley rider bitching about the rocket being stupid sounding, the rocket rider complaining that the Harley sounds like **** and is too damn loud. They generally disagree on everything, and only stereotypes and single fluke instance cases come out in the arguments.

I honestly feel that the rocket crowd just can't understand why the Harley riders like their bikes, and the Harley riders have actual hatred and anger directed at the rocket guys because they can't figure out why a Harley is so great.

I'll definately have to say the Harley guys have the biggest egos. It's rather fun to watch them crushed from time to time. They pull up to the dyno when 3 other new 600cc sportbikes rip off 100rwhp and they roll their built S&S motored Harley up there expecting to best that with their suped up engine being over 2x as big. When they fail to see triple digit power they always get pissed. So the dyno guy tries to explain torque vs hp and rpms. Doesn't matter. Kinda nice to see the rocket guy flip out when his new "nothing's faster" 600cc bike puts down only 3 more hp with a pipe and jet kit vs stock too. That and the old FZR 1000 just before him that's all clapped out drops down 30 more hp than he does missing on 1 cylinder to 4500rpm because of the rings being so bad. Hahahaha!

[PKRWUD]

Unit-

You're right on quite a few points, but in your last paragraph you tripped over a big misconception. Harley owners (the ones I know) aren't trying to race ricers. That's what's so funny. I also find it amusing how someone could interchange the word Harley with Mustang, and this thread could be right off of a Civic message board.

I really hope that someday you get to understand why I love Harleys. I think you will, but who knows. 1BAD89 brought up a point I hadn't even thought about, which is where he lives, the ricer kids don't wear helmets. Here, it's the opposite. Kids will spend a fortune getting a matching helmet and leathers that look more like Walt Disney threw up. They spend more on matching outfits than their girlfriends do. It's just the trend, I guess.

BTW, the EVO was loosly built around the Shovelhead, which was all Harley. Porsche took Harley's design, and got it to stop leaking oil! it wasn't that Harley couldn't figure it out, Harley was almost bankrupt. The worst thing that ever happened to them was getting bought out by AMF. The AMF bikes, stock, were junk. My Shovelhead was a '74, but the frame was an old rigid, and the bottom half of the engine was an old Panhead. It was a very cool bike. Anyway, AMF ran Harley into the ground. They sold Harley snow mobiles and golfcarts, for christ's sake! When Harley was finally able to buy themselves back from AMF, things changed. Harley has built some very solid, beautiful bikes since then. Every Jap company now has at least one wannabe Softtail. They didn't have any money to take on the world on their own, and they did enlist the help of Porsche. The result was the very first Harley engine that didn't leak oil (too bad Ford can't say the same for the 302). There were other great features, but you wouldn't be able to appreciate them. That's cool. You might want to look into the VROD, though. It's going to do some real ricer spanking. I could care less, but you guys might.

For the record, I used to ride ricers. My first bike was an RD400 Daytona Special. That was a fun first bike. I had a VF1000R, too. Then there was my '82 YZ250. That was really the last year that Yamaha built the best dirt bikes. I always wore a full face helmet off road, and always wore a leather jacket, and often chaps, on my Harley. I was into safety, and am still here to tell about it. After a while, I just got sick of all the plastic, and that they weren't any fun to cruise around on. If you weren't on a mission, riding ricers was a waste of time, for me. The local Hells Angels chapter became very close friends, and I realized just how silly the biker image was. The funniest part was that it wasn't us who were builing that image. It was everybody else. I didn't act tough, I was just me, but people let their imaginations run wild, and we all got a kick out of it. Those were some of the best years of my life, and I wouldn't trade them for anything. I'll build another one one of these days, and then I'll put it out to Minnesota and see if I can save you measly arse! Hehehe. You're alright for a gearhead.

5.0 HO-
Don't even waste my time.

C-Ya

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[PKRWUD]

Unit-
One more thing:

My feeling on Harley's being around since the 1960's and earlier is some nuts decide they are worth 1000's and 1000's of dollars in repair bills and restoration.

Now you sound JUST LIKE the Civic boys talking about the first generation 'Stangs! I'm sorry, but that made me laugh. Not at you, with you.

Take care,
~Chris

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[1BAD89]

***Then there was my '82 YZ250. That was really the last year that Yamaha built the best dirt bikes.

Now I got to take up for my race bikes now! ;o) I'm not flaming I just like talking with you guys. I have raced Suzuki's, Honda's , Kawasaki's, and Yamaha's. And I've raced 125's, 250's, 400's, and a 426. And all Yamaha's current dirt bikes are TOP OF THE LINE, best in their class also. Just thought I would add that. The YZ426 was great, me and my friend were on the beach of this lake. And he was tapped on his 2000 Cr125, I was in 4th gear, just rolled on the throttle and pulled a wheelie right by him up to about 80mph, and for the flames I might get on the 80mph on a dirtbike. FYI-The YZ426 would top out at 89mph. See ya guys.

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-2000 Camaro SS-A4,
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-1989 Chevy S-10, EX. Cab-383(500+hp on motor), tubbed, trick flow heads, trick flow pistons, etc... autometer phantom gauges, "built" 700R4, roll cage, lexan back window, corbeau seats, R.H.S. 5 harnesses, Fuel cell, convo pro wheels, 15x14's with 29x18.5 M/T'S on back, 15x4's on front, nitrous, and so much more!

[PKRWUD]

I'm glad to hear that! I know they rocked in 1982 (with the NEW Monoshock suspension... I can hear the commercials now).

Fancy that. We both like the same Jap bike. I must be coming down with something.

~C

[Mercury]

5.0

Lets see, any given Saturday night I see at least 3 people on the Jap Rockets doing wheelies while passing between cars.

They also usually have a passenger on the back. Hmmmmmm talking about being irresponsible with other peoples lives.

In the Fayetteville and surronding areas, we have had 2 fatal vehicle accidents that had anything to do with street racing. In Fayetteville alone (Not including surronding areas) we have had 6 deaths in the same amount of time, from six diffrent accidents.

What i think was at question, is the mentallity of these Wheelie/rev throwing motorcyclists with there reckless abandon of saftey in the sake of Style or bieng cool. That to me is disgusting.

I dont know about you, but majority of these street racers here know that cars up ahead usually means to end the race.

I know I'm a little late for this post.

[Dark_5.0]

"Dont even waste my time"

Ew that ws a good one, Now who is it thats showing there age.

C-YA!!!!!!!

[This message has been edited by 5.0 HO (edited 10-18-2001).]

[Dark_5.0]

Originally posted by Mercury:
5.0

Lets see, any given Saturday night I see at least 3 people on the Jap Rockets doing wheelies while passing between cars.

They also usually have a passenger on the back. Hmmmmmm talking about being irresponsible with other peoples lives.

In the Fayetteville and surronding areas, we have had 2 fatal vehicle accidents that had anything to do with street racing. In Fayetteville alone (Not including surronding areas) we have had 6 deaths in the same amount of time, from six diffrent accidents.

What i think was at question, is the mentallity of these Wheelie/rev throwing motorcyclists with there reckless abandon of saftey in the sake of Style or bieng cool. That to me is disgusting.

I dont know about you, but majority of these street racers here know that cars up ahead usually means to end the race.

I know I'm a little late for this post.

Life is all about choices they didnt have to get on the back of the bike. Just like I dont have to drag race, but I do and I know the risk. Most racing accidents involve side streets were cars pull out in ffront of the racers.

Thats the only reason I dont get my car street legal cause I know I would be street racing.

[Crazy Horse GT]

what you ride, really dose'nt matter, you just have to watch it out there, no one look's for motorcycle's on the road ,i do being a ex biker i alway's look for them ,give them their space , don't ride their rear & let them know when they are safely past me, it dont matter what you ride , just that you do!later ,no flames at all

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[joe4speed]

Just remember that we ALL don't do these things. Most bikers are cool, believe it or not, most bikers are scared to do tricks. I can pull wheelies and all that but there is definitely a time and a place for that, doing it in traffic is a no-no, that's where natural selection comes into play! I ride with some crazy ones, but the majority just like to ride!

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[spinemup]

ok here it is......
you guys sound like a bunch of blabbering idiots. live and let live (or die for that matter) who cares? if someone wants to waste thier money on a harley let them. if someone wants to wheelie in traffic let them.

if anyone ever swirved at me while im on my bike i would ride up next to you and put my foot right into your quarter panel. remeber...your cars are slower, use more gas, and cost more to maintain. so just admit your all jelous. any stanger ive ever seen in traffic gives me a thumbs up and waves for me to wheelie and i happily oblige. its sounds to me that you guys that dont like sportbikes have never ridden one.... take a spin on a cbr 929 and then tell me if you have changed your view on sportbike riders.... now squids are a whole other thread. lol

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