Weightlifters got a ? for ya

Eric4Nitrous · 09-04-2002, 08:38 PM

Are their any new supplements out there that actually works besides creatine?? I'm getting back into weightlifting/powerlifting again. I use to be able to bench 336 9 times and squat close to 560. Now i want to be get back into it again and get bulked up. Any workout suggestions?? thanks.

LxMustangRacer · 09-04-2002, 09:17 PM

geez, if you were benching 339 and squating 560 I'd say that whatever you were doing before was working good enough. I'm an advocate of bulking up through a healthy diet and hard work, there's no need for supplements if you're eating right. But then again, when I stopped lifting in january my squat max was 300 lbs, and I'm not even going to mention my bench numbers. You could probably curl that much. To answer your question I haven't heard of any new supplements.

foxbodied · 09-04-2002, 09:40 PM

Yea bro just do what you were doing before. Unless you want to be looking like arnold.

6T9PONY · 09-04-2002, 11:55 PM

I've heard a lot of good things about POS (Performance Optimizer System) 5.

BowTie Eater 5 Liter · 09-05-2002, 12:29 AM

ever herd of steroids? i hear they work pretty well.. haha. jk

just eat good, no need for supplements, there just a waste of money imo.

anyone tryd hydroxy cut?

later

Eric4Nitrous · 09-05-2002, 08:22 AM

Well i'm the same size now that i was back then. I just need the definition back. I started a pretty good diet a while back but didn't stay with it. But now i'm gonna try it again and see how i do. I used hydroxycut with pretty good results. But it makes you hungry all the time. I'm gonna get back into the gym sometime soon and start working out again.

929PhoenixSquid · 09-05-2002, 08:33 AM

My personal advice is to stay away from the suppliments. Simply eat more smaller high-carb meals and try to avoid the fattier choices of carbs.

You never really know the long-term effects of different "natural" products sold at GNC. For example, you might wind up with large calcium deposits or only god knows what 15 years later.....

jimberg · 09-05-2002, 09:46 AM

How long ago was "back then"? How old are you now? Muscles have memory and it doesn't take long to get back to where you were unless you are significantly older. If you're over 35 and back then was mid-20's, it is a good bet that your testosterone levels have dropped quite a bit. Back when I was 23 or so,
I started lifting again and went from benching a pathetic 225 to benching 385 in about 6 months. My max in high school was 240 which was the last time I seriously lifted.

Eric4Nitrous · 09-05-2002, 10:06 AM

I'm 31 now, and "back then" was when i was 27. So it's been 4 years.

jimberg · 09-05-2002, 10:20 AM

You'll be fine then. Screw the supplements.

Dark_5.0 · 09-05-2002, 10:21 AM

I am not the biggest guy and I dont work out as much as I use to but, I max 300 on bench and 400+ sqaut.

I need to start working out again too. I was 6ft 215 lbs solid just 2 years ago.

Now I am starting to get a gut and weigh almost 230 lbs. I am 26 yrs old getting old sux.

I liked the results I got with Creatine.

Later,

Mustangbelle306 · 09-05-2002, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by Eric4Nitrous
Well i'm the same size now that i was back then. I just need the definition back. I started a pretty good diet a while back but didn't stay with it. But now i'm gonna try it again and see how i do. I used hydroxycut with pretty good results. But it makes you hungry all the time. I'm gonna get back into the gym sometime soon and start working out again.

WTF kind of hydroxycut were YOU taking???

Its supposed to curb your appetite, and it worked for me...

The Deuce · 09-05-2002, 12:33 PM

Sounds like it was rolled into a J.

Actually all that stuff has speed in it (well not really) but it should speed up your metablosism, and make you not hungry. Were you cutting back the caloric intake too far while taking it?

Eric4Nitrous · 09-05-2002, 12:46 PM

Yes i cut my calorie intake wayy back. But the hydroxcut that i was taking made me hungry all the time. I know that it's not suppose to but it did.

Mustangbelle306 · 09-05-2002, 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by The Deuce
Actually all that stuff has speed in it (well not really) but it should speed up your metablosism, and make you not hungry. Were you cutting back the caloric intake too far while taking it?

Actually it does. Ephedrine is the main ingredient in Methamphetamines. Taking too much Ma Huang and not eating over long periods of time is a sure fire recipe for a premature heart attack, stroke, or even pyschosis in some cases. You know what they say...everything in moderation!

The Deuce · 09-05-2002, 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by Mustangbelle306
Actually it does. Ephedrine is the main ingredient in Methamphetamines. Taking too much Ma Huang and not eating over long periods of time is a sure fire recipe for a premature heart attack, stroke, or even pyschosis in some cases. You know what they say...everything in moderation!

You're one smart(arse) cookie, eh Belle?

They don't buy speed off the street and put it in there though. Most suppliments are just a legal manipulation of an illegal drug anyway. Well, except maybe asprin. You know what the street value of that stuff is?

bigred90gt · 09-05-2002, 12:58 PM

I would personally suggest to stay away from the creatine. It does wonders while you are working out. But, there is always a but, when you stop working out, even if you discontinue the creatine, the weight and mass you gained will turn to mush. Trust me. If you could see me now compared to in high school, you wouldn't think I was the same person. Do it the old fashion way, eat right, run alot- at a track not the street concrete causes shin splints- and work out.
Caymon

Mustangbelle306 · 09-05-2002, 01:01 PM

Its always interesting how either side of the debate can skew the facts to push their cause...Check out the difference in tone between these two sites:

http://www.ephedrafacts.com/

http://ephedrainjury.com/

Isn't debating among humans wonderful?

red82gt · 09-06-2002, 12:52 AM

I'm still playing college football up here in Canada and I've tried many supplements along the way. There really isn't anything new that is as effective as creatine. Methoxy-7-isoflavine was thought to be the next best thing but it is too expensive for most of us and the gains are only modest. My main staples are creatine and glutamine. I also use a lot of whey proteins and Prolab's Nlarge2.
When taking creatine, I heat up a kettle of water and put the creatine powder and a scoop of gatorade in a plastic bottle, shake them up and then pour it over a glass filled with ice. That way the creatine is fully dissolved and the gatorade spikes your insulin levels to increase the uptake of the creatine and cold liquid are absorbed faster than warm ones. I also take creatine on an empty stomache.
I mostly use the Prolab Nlarge2 as a post workout shake because it has an ideal ratio of carbs to protein and a liquid meal after a workout will absorb quicker than solid foods.
Other than that, make sure you are eating quality sources of protein, they're not all created equally.
Tribulus terrestitis can give good gains and is quite safe because it just helps the raw materials that you already have combine to make up testosterone. HMB has helped a little but the cost was too much for me.
If your looking for strength, stay away from the hydroxycut, trimming and building should be done at different stages, almost everyone who tries to do both at the same time fails. Also people who blame supplement that they took in the past for their present state need to look in the mirror to find the true source of their present physical condition.
Sorry a little long winded but I do know this subject pretty well and I try to keep up on the current info to stay competitive.

LxMustangRacer · 09-06-2002, 09:45 AM

Why would creatine be the cause of your muscles turning to mush if you stop working out. It's a naturally occuring substance in the body. If you stop working out you're going to lose muscle mass no matter how you gained it, with or without supplements. You lose muscle mass three times faster than you can gain it(something like that)

09-04-2002, 08:38 PM	#1
Eric4Nitrous Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Va Posts: 1,122	Weightlifters got a ? for ya Are their any new supplements out there that actually works besides creatine?? I'm getting back into weightlifting/powerlifting again. I use to be able to bench 336 9 times and squat close to 560. Now i want to be get back into it again and get bulked up. Any workout suggestions?? thanks. __________________ 68 Camaro Gene Fulton 632ci Two stages of Jug 8.41 164mph Rockingham 1-26-03

09-04-2002, 09:17 PM	#2
LxMustangRacer Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Allendale, Mi Posts: 137	geez, if you were benching 339 and squating 560 I'd say that whatever you were doing before was working good enough. I'm an advocate of bulking up through a healthy diet and hard work, there's no need for supplements if you're eating right. But then again, when I stopped lifting in january my squat max was 300 lbs, and I'm not even going to mention my bench numbers. You could probably curl that much. To answer your question I haven't heard of any new supplements. __________________ 1994 Mustang GT Convertible

09-05-2002, 12:29 AM	#5
BowTie Eater 5 Liter Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Maple Ridge B.C. Canada, The Best Place In The World Posts: 871	ever herd of steroids? i hear they work pretty well.. haha. jk just eat good, no need for supplements, there just a waste of money imo. anyone tryd hydroxy cut? later __________________ 1984 Bronco II, 36" Michelin Military Tires, 95 EFI 5.0, NP435 Tranny, NP208 Doubler, NP205 Transfer Case, Fill Size Solid Dana 44 Front End, WH Progressive Rate Rock Crawling Coils, Bronco 8.8 Rear, Skyjacker Softride Leafs, 5.13 Gears, Detroit Locker. Final Crawl Ratio Of 175:1 88 GT Best 60ft. 2.181 Best ET 14.350 Best MPH 98.01 ~WRECKED!!!!~

09-05-2002, 08:22 AM	#6
Eric4Nitrous Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Va Posts: 1,122	Well i'm the same size now that i was back then. I just need the definition back. I started a pretty good diet a while back but didn't stay with it. But now i'm gonna try it again and see how i do. I used hydroxycut with pretty good results. But it makes you hungry all the time. I'm gonna get back into the gym sometime soon and start working out again. __________________ 68 Camaro Gene Fulton 632ci Two stages of Jug 8.41 164mph Rockingham 1-26-03

09-05-2002, 08:33 AM	#7
929PhoenixSquid Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Joosey Shore Posts: 358	My personal advice is to stay away from the suppliments. Simply eat more smaller high-carb meals and try to avoid the fattier choices of carbs. You never really know the long-term effects of different "natural" products sold at GNC. For example, you might wind up with large calcium deposits or only god knows what 15 years later..... __________________ 1988 5.0 notch: Previously never modified!! SN95 block front and rear seats, Mac catback, BBK off-road H-pipe, Steeda castor camber plates, Steeda lowering springs, Tokico shocks/struts, Alpine/MBQuart/PPI audio mods...

09-04-2002, 09:40 PM	#3
foxbodied Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Port Washington,New York Posts: 104	Yea bro just do what you were doing before. Unless you want to be looking like arnold.

09-04-2002, 11:55 PM	#4
6T9PONY All about the Windsor. Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 2,052	I've heard a lot of good things about POS (Performance Optimizer System) 5.

09-05-2002, 09:46 AM	#8
jimberg Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Rogers, MN Posts: 2,089	How long ago was "back then"? How old are you now? Muscles have memory and it doesn't take long to get back to where you were unless you are significantly older. If you're over 35 and back then was mid-20's, it is a good bet that your testosterone levels have dropped quite a bit. Back when I was 23 or so, I started lifting again and went from benching a pathetic 225 to benching 385 in about 6 months. My max in high school was 240 which was the last time I seriously lifted. __________________ 351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible

09-05-2002, 10:06 AM	#9
Eric4Nitrous Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Va Posts: 1,122	I'm 31 now, and "back then" was when i was 27. So it's been 4 years. __________________ 68 Camaro Gene Fulton 632ci Two stages of Jug 8.41 164mph Rockingham 1-26-03

09-05-2002, 10:20 AM	#10
jimberg Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Rogers, MN Posts: 2,089	You'll be fine then. Screw the supplements. __________________ 351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible

09-05-2002, 10:21 AM	#11
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	I am not the biggest guy and I dont work out as much as I use to but, I max 300 on bench and 400+ sqaut. I need to start working out again too. I was 6ft 215 lbs solid just 2 years ago. Now I am starting to get a gut and weigh almost 230 lbs. I am 26 yrs old getting old sux. I liked the results I got with Creatine. Later, __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

09-05-2002, 12:33 PM	#13
The Deuce Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,325	Sounds like it was rolled into a J. Actually all that stuff has speed in it (well not really) but it should speed up your metablosism, and make you not hungry. Were you cutting back the caloric intake too far while taking it? __________________ 1997 Mustang GT "The Freak" - 13.80 @ 101.70, 2.07 60' 1995 Honda VFR750 - not much @ really fast (actual data pending.) 1964.5 Mustang 289 Rice Haters Club Member #13

09-05-2002, 12:46 PM	#14
Eric4Nitrous Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Va Posts: 1,122	Yes i cut my calorie intake wayy back. But the hydroxcut that i was taking made me hungry all the time. I know that it's not suppose to but it did. __________________ 68 Camaro Gene Fulton 632ci Two stages of Jug 8.41 164mph Rockingham 1-26-03

09-05-2002, 12:58 PM	#17
bigred90gt 2 Stangs in the Stable Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Baytown, TX Posts: 1,209	I would personally suggest to stay away from the creatine. It does wonders while you are working out. But, there is always a but, when you stop working out, even if you discontinue the creatine, the weight and mass you gained will turn to mush. Trust me. If you could see me now compared to in high school, you wouldn't think I was the same person. Do it the old fashion way, eat right, run alot- at a track not the street concrete causes shin splints- and work out. Caymon __________________ '90 GT Under construction Best E.T. = Fast @ High Speeds - OK So I Lie. So What!!! 04 F-150 STX 4.2L 5 spd Rice Haters Club Member #128

09-05-2002, 01:01 PM	#18
Mustangbelle306 Yay for Chickys Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,532	Its always interesting how either side of the debate can skew the facts to push their cause...Check out the difference in tone between these two sites: http://www.ephedrafacts.com/ http://ephedrainjury.com/ Isn't debating among humans wonderful?

09-06-2002, 12:52 AM	#19
red82gt Sober voice of Reason Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Kelowna, B.C., Canada Posts: 1,514	I'm still playing college football up here in Canada and I've tried many supplements along the way. There really isn't anything new that is as effective as creatine. Methoxy-7-isoflavine was thought to be the next best thing but it is too expensive for most of us and the gains are only modest. My main staples are creatine and glutamine. I also use a lot of whey proteins and Prolab's Nlarge2. When taking creatine, I heat up a kettle of water and put the creatine powder and a scoop of gatorade in a plastic bottle, shake them up and then pour it over a glass filled with ice. That way the creatine is fully dissolved and the gatorade spikes your insulin levels to increase the uptake of the creatine and cold liquid are absorbed faster than warm ones. I also take creatine on an empty stomache. I mostly use the Prolab Nlarge2 as a post workout shake because it has an ideal ratio of carbs to protein and a liquid meal after a workout will absorb quicker than solid foods. Other than that, make sure you are eating quality sources of protein, they're not all created equally. Tribulus terrestitis can give good gains and is quite safe because it just helps the raw materials that you already have combine to make up testosterone. HMB has helped a little but the cost was too much for me. If your looking for strength, stay away from the hydroxycut, trimming and building should be done at different stages, almost everyone who tries to do both at the same time fails. Also people who blame supplement that they took in the past for their present state need to look in the mirror to find the true source of their present physical condition. Sorry a little long winded but I do know this subject pretty well and I try to keep up on the current info to stay competitive.

09-06-2002, 09:45 AM	#20
LxMustangRacer Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Allendale, Mi Posts: 137	Why would creatine be the cause of your muscles turning to mush if you stop working out. It's a naturally occuring substance in the body. If you stop working out you're going to lose muscle mass no matter how you gained it, with or without supplements. You lose muscle mass three times faster than you can gain it(something like that) __________________ 1994 Mustang GT Convertible