CHEVY VS. FORD THE SAGA CONTINUES - Page 3

Unit 5302 · 05-08-2001, 12:25 AM

Just take a look at the 5.8L Cobra R's.

Rated at 280hp 340lb/ft. (Subject to disagreement) The R was badly underrated. Oh well.

jimberg · 05-08-2001, 11:18 AM

We all know that Fords are of higher quality and can make more power with just a few modifications. Let's move on.

This whole discussion makes me think of the head-to-head tests that they sometimes do on Car and Driver TV like the Chevy trucks vs. the Ford trucks.

It's great to have something that is powerful out of the box, but it's also great to know that your investment isn't going to be a squeeky rust bucket in 6 years. Unless you're obsessive about taking care of your car, that's what you'll have with a Chevy. Fords last despite the abuse they take.

A friend of mine owns a 1986 Pace Car convertible Corvette with only 36k miles on it. It's always been garaged and maintained. The interior is falling apart and it has a major battery drain somewhere. It's fun to drive, but I don't think I would own one unless I got a really good deal.

Unfortunately Chrysler stuff fits a similar category. The styling on some of their cars is really sharp, but since the interior and metal they use on the cars is of a low quality, they aren't worth buying. Ford uses the highest quality parts of any other, non-European manufacturer.

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99SSragtop · 05-08-2001, 07:52 PM

280hp on the R common????

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Steve2000SS · 05-09-2001, 04:59 PM

more crap in one place than a fertilizer factory

~~ and thats from both sides.. Whoever said chevy cant engineer is an idiot.. would you say the Z06 is poorly engineered?? and you act like the LS1 is the same 350 chevy has been making for decades when it was only recently COMPLETELY redesigned.. it is consistently rated as one of the 10 best engines in the world (by hemmings?).. it is underrated by GM (as opposed to Ford over-rating theirs ~ remember the 99&2k Cobras.. and the bullit).. The Z06 smacked the Cobra R all over the place and it has little things like A/C.. a radio.. insulation.. and its 10's of thousands cheaper..

As for Mustangs they in many was superior to fbodies.. they are easier to live with on a daily basis.. easier to get in and out of.. cheaper to insure.. and they have a SLIGHLY better build quality.. ive read several "consumer report" type mags and some rate the mustang better this ways.. others not.. both cars have crappy seats. fbody rears are a weaklink but they do seem to handle up to 420rwhp without breaking.. one can not expect stock parts to handle mod increased HP.. I love Mustangs.. I love Camaros (SS).. I hate the "my car is better than your car" stuff.. thats why guys with older car seem so much more mature.. they look at fords, chevys, dodge, etc and like them all for what they are.. American Muscle Cars.. Ford and GM are both a couple of modern companies ran by accountants.. they lost most of their desire to compete against each other long ago..

Oh.. and the HP per Liter argument is still a rice thing.. who care what your displacement is.. faster is faster.. remember that most fbods are under-rated and do well over 300hp at the rear wheels.. too bad we cant take the best atributes of each car and combine them.. hmmm..

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320rwhp & 333rwtq corrected SAE

Try Me · 05-09-2001, 05:50 PM

I love the f-body. WS6 rocks. N'uff said

The problem isn't the engineers. One of my best friends works at Siemens, desingning an air intake for the new Northstar engine.
You wouldn't beleive the great stuff they come out with - but as soon as the market-specialists and accountants get a hold of it, you've gone from gaining a solid 20HP from an intake to 2HP

It's the general public, even with muscle cars, they insist they be "fuel efficient" and "quiet"

As for the new 'Vette, i love it too. But the C-4 blows chunks.

You wonder why it's touhg to get an LS1 to race? 'Cause they cost $40 freaking thousand bucks - and only geasers can afford that, and geasers for the most part DON'T RACE!
I pulled up to a geaser once in a '00GT. When i asked him to race, the f*cker rolled up his window, shaking his head at me, then looked the other way

Wonder why stang owner are stereotyped? Cause for the most part, they're young, driving an affordable muscle car capable of blowing away the next door's geaser's $70K Benz, or buddies rice bucket, then people get mad, fact.

That's my fifty cents

TJR · 05-09-2001, 08:43 PM

About the ZO6...Weren't the LS6 engines recalled for poor oiling? I thought I read that somewhere.

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05-09-2001, 09:02 PM

I totally agree with the "run what ya brung" concept. I don't care what the ci is. The GN was kicking butt many years ago with a v6, although it was turbocharged, it was stock and came with a warranty. I like the camaro fine but I don't like the way my head is 1" from the roof.. pot hole= headache. I have considered buying a ls1. I had a z71 with the 5.3 and that is a good motor! I will say this though, just wait til next year!
I had a talk with a SVO guy at ffw in fla and he couldn't say much but he said "just wait 'til next year". Leads me to believe the 4.6 or 5.4 will be kicking a little butt next year...

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My 89lx(updated 2/21/2001)
My 97 Cobra

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dinomite · 05-09-2001, 09:13 PM

The Z06 isn't badly engineered, its a great car, and they seem to have tossed some that engineering down into the camaro in the latest model year. But they can't keep that up for long, as they are making VERY little profit on the camaro in this model year (why do you think they are killing it?), the only reason that they are doing this is to try and get some buyer loyalty. end of story. GM in general has been having a LOT of trouble lately (past 15 odd years), thats indisputable. They have tried many things to try and improve their image, but they have soooo many problems its very hard. More than half of the cars they sell are to fleet operations (rental car companies, corporate offices, etc. people that just want it CHEAP), they have lived on those sales and their MASSIVENESS over the past 15 years. THe corvette is the premier of GM, and as of late, the camaro is RIGHT behind it, but the rest of GM cars are absolute crap. They are horribly built and made with bad parts. They are built badly cause they don't treat the employees well, and bad parts cause they badger their suppliers (plastic companies, metal companies, etc). GM is in a lot of trouble and, as i said before, the new fast camaro is just an attempt to get buyers, they don't make much on it. GM actually LOOSES money on EVERY softop cavalier they sell! something around 1k! and they had to drop one of their longstanding divisions.

Someone up there ^^^ said that its not a problem with the engineers, but the marketing people who destroy the designs, you may very well be right! but the fact is thats killing the company, and has been doing so very slowly for years.

What i'm saying is:
The camaro is faster, but its going away, and its quality isn't really a testament to the rest of the company, cause its somewhat a flagship, and a tool for their marketing people.

2FastLX · 05-10-2001, 10:47 AM

Isn't this just like a Chevy guy?? Start a fight then tuck tail and run

I have my opinions on those new F-bodied card. I think the "F" stands for "F$#ked". They look like a door stop with that sloping shape they have and I wouldn't even care to own one if it were half the price of a new Mustang (not exaggerating a bit).

I raced an LS1 the other day. Hell, I thought it was a Probe sitting next to me because I couldn't see very much of it other than the slope and mirror on the door. When the light turned green I gave him about a car length head start (still thinking it was a Probe) and then gave it hell. It was at that moment I realized it was a Slomaro and was pi$$ed at myself for not taking him off the line. Anyway, by the time I hit 3rd gear I was gaining on him a little, and he was still only a car length ahead of me.

We stopped to talk and he said he paid $27,000 for that car. I have $10,000 wrapped up in mine and I know I'd have smoked him if I was prepared.

Pay close to $30k for a rattle box, or find a sweet looking Fox body for $4k and dump $6k into it and see who wins. I guarantee you the Mustang will every time. Plus, the chicks around here dig the Stangs more.

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MonsterTrosity · 05-11-2001, 12:12 PM

I have to tell you something about ricers. I actually own a stock '90 CRX, as well as a V6 Mustang. I'd have to say that my CRX is much faster, which doesn't say much compared to a v6. After dropping the clutch in second gear, and peeling out the tires several times, the transmission has a bad bearing. So, IMHO, a ricer won't last long on the strip, even though they are fast. But HP isn't as important to me as cornering. I enjoy more auto-x than dragging. Auto-x is alot of fun, and takes a fairly skilled driver to do it well. This is where the CRX, and my Porsche 914 is superior. Don't even come near me in any of your Vettes, Cobras, etc. with those on the auto-x course

. TBH, I was fairly impressed that my stock '95 Mustang could hold it's own on a corner. Big difference from early models. Now that I need to replace my shocks and springs, I might be able to get closer to the performance of my 914, but not quite

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NTIMD8 · 05-11-2001, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 2FastLX:
Isn't this just like a Chevy guy?? Start a fight then tuck tail and run

I have my opinions on those new F-bodied card. I think the "F" stands for "F$#ked". They look like a door stop with that sloping shape they have and I wouldn't even care to own one if it were half the price of a new Mustang (not exaggerating a bit).

I raced an LS1 the other day. Hell, I thought it was a Probe sitting next to me because I couldn't see very much of it other than the slope and mirror on the door. When the light turned green I gave him about a car length head start (still thinking it was a Probe) and then gave it hell. It was at that moment I realized it was a Slomaro and was pi$$ed at myself for not taking him off the line. Anyway, by the time I hit 3rd gear I was gaining on him a little, and he was still only a car length ahead of me.

We stopped to talk and he said he paid $27,000 for that car. I have $10,000 wrapped up in mine and I know I'd have smoked him if I was prepared.

Pay close to $30k for a rattle box, or find a sweet looking Fox body for $4k and dump $6k into it and see who wins. I guarantee you the Mustang will every time. Plus, the chicks around here dig the Stangs more.

I would like to personaly thank you for wasting 1 minute of my life while reading your garbage. You owe me 1 minute of my life back.

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2FastLX · 05-12-2001, 01:52 AM

Well sorry for wasting a whole minute of your life, but I'll bet changing plugs in your car has wasted a lot more than that.

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joe4speed · 05-12-2001, 02:53 AM

I like anything that flies... I'll have respect for the Mustang, the GM, and the Import that flies.. It's pretty impressive to see those little cars fly when they're real fast.
But to me, I'm one of those Race-anything-that-moves Mustang owners! I just love the speed! When I want more speed I run the Ninja!

Cliff made some good points too...!!

Wanna race...?

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Steve2000SS · 05-12-2001, 02:17 PM

Just when you start thinking Most mustang owners are cool.. along comes 2FASTLX with the usual load of horse $hit.. I always love the new $30k car vs buying the 15year old car and putting the $$ into it.. anyone can buy ANY car for $4k and put $20k into mods and kill all our collective a$$es.. whats your point?? Ive seen Pro Street Pintos that could kick your butt, does that mean the pinto is a better car? get a clue.. And I love how when some says "i know an fbody guy that has nothing but trouble with his car" that is usually some poor guy with an 80's model.. who the hell made good cars in the 80's??

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320rwhp & 333rwtq corrected SAE

jimberg · 05-12-2001, 02:27 PM

Quote:

who the hell made good cars in the 80's??

Ford did. I'm driving one.

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2FastLX · 05-12-2001, 03:11 PM

I am an EX Slomaro owner so I'm not basing my opinion on what I THINK. I know what kinda quality GM puts into their cars. I bought a brand new Slomaro in 89 and it was in the shop more than it was on the road. Out of the 3 months I owned it it was in the shop for almost 2 of them. Now, I'm not basing that opinion on just one car. I've owned several GM products, and several Ford products. In my past experiences the GM cars didn't impress me much, except for the 67 Chevelle SS I once owned which was a nice car.

I have a suggestion, go back to your own boards and quit coming here talking smack unless you can handle similar responses without crying and whining about it. Boo hoo.

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Unit 5302 · 05-12-2001, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MonsterTrosity:
...I'd have to say that my CRX is much faster, which doesn't say much compared to a v6... So, IMHO, a ricer won't last long on the strip, even though they are fast... Auto-x is alot of fun, and takes a fairly skilled driver to do it well. This is where the CRX, and my Porsche 914 is superior. Don't even come near me in any of your Vettes, Cobras, etc. with those on the auto-x course . TBH, I was fairly impressed that my stock '95 Mustang could hold it's own on a corner. Big difference from early models.

Damn... so much to address in this.

What do you have done to the CRX? I'm sorry, but those cars are not straight line beastie's by any means in stock form. I used to whoop them silly in my Mustang II. Granted the II was way lighter than your car, but it had less power. The CRX is a nice 17sec car without mods.

Ricer's are not fast. You need a V-8, baaaaddd.

The CRX is nowhere near a 914 for cornering performance. Anybody lumping those two into the same comparision doesn't know how to drive either one.

Anybody who cannot slaughter a CRX with a Mustang Cobra stock for stock on a auto-x course needs to give me their car. As far as the 914, it would depend on just how tight the course is. The 914 featured a terribly underpowered Volkswagen engine, a little better if it was a Series IV or modded with a turbo off a 911, but the 914 lacked braking capacity too. Unless you switch over to the 911's stuff. The 914 is super light, and super close to the ground, they corner excellent, but everything else is lacking without mods.

Compared to older Mustang??? Like what, a 1965-1978? Sorry to tell you this, but the V-6 corners like **** compared to the GT's, even the Fox GT's will outcorner a SN95 V-6 hardcore.

Token Right Guy · 05-12-2001, 06:47 PM

originally posted by UNIT 5302:
..."What do you have done to the CRX? I'm sorry, but those cars are not straight line beastie's by any means in stock form. I used to whoop them silly in my Mustang II. Granted the II was way lighter than your car, but it had less power. The CRX is a nice 17sec car without mods."...

Huh? Mustang II lighter than a CRX? My CRX Si, with A/C weighs under 2100 lbs. It's not a stoplight terror, you're right about that. It isn't supposed to be. Stock CRX 1/4 mile times are in the low to mid 16 range.
If you don't think a CRX Si can't show its taillights to a 914 on an autocross course, well that's your opinion & you're entitled to it. I've driven both, & I know the truth.
You also said "ricers are not fast". No kidding. That does not mean that all imports are slow, though. Also you said "you need a V8, baaad". Maybe he has a V8 as well. You're allowed to own more than one car.
We now return you to your 'Ford vs. Chevy' debate. Thanks for listening.

NTIMD8 · 05-12-2001, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 2FastLX:
I am an EX Slomaro owner so I'm not basing my opinion on what I THINK. I know what kinda quality GM puts into their cars. I bought a brand new Slomaro in 89 and it was in the shop more than it was on the road. Out of the 3 months I owned it it was in the shop for almost 2 of them. Now, I'm not basing that opinion on just one car. I've owned several GM products, and several Ford products. In my past experiences the GM cars didn't impress me much, except for the 67 Chevelle SS I once owned which was a nice car.

I have a suggestion, go back to your own boards and quit coming here talking smack unless you can handle similar responses without crying and whining about it. Boo hoo.

the poor build quality exists in the 3rd gen but the 4th gen is a vast improvment. As far as Camaros being Slomaros??? The fact is stock for stock a 4th gen is faster then 90% of the stock stangs. So what does that say about the mustang? Ya thats what I thought. You are truly ignorant.

Steve2000SS · 05-12-2001, 09:34 PM

Actually you were the one talking smack.. and the previous guy is right.. an LS1 in no more a "slomaro" than a 4.6 mustang is a "rustang".. name calling is for little kids.. You have a "too many mods to list" and you manage a 13.7 1/4 mile?.. So if my low 13 sec Camaro is slow then what are you? and I hardly have any mods.. as for Ford build quality I had a 88 GT and a 95GT.. both had there share of problems but I didnt mind because they are fun cars.. I know some guys with fbods that have small warranty probs but there are quite a few (like myself) that have had no probs (cept with mods).. If build quality is you mantra then go by a honda..

Jimberg ~ Im sure your car is great.. but you would have to agree that the 80's (not as bad as the 70's) were not the higth of american car quality.

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320rwhp & 333rwtq corrected SAE

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05-08-2001, 12:25 AM	#41
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	Just take a look at the 5.8L Cobra R's. Rated at 280hp 340lb/ft. (Subject to disagreement) The R was badly underrated. Oh well.

05-08-2001, 11:18 AM	#42
jimberg Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Rogers, MN Posts: 2,089	We all know that Fords are of higher quality and can make more power with just a few modifications. Let's move on. This whole discussion makes me think of the head-to-head tests that they sometimes do on Car and Driver TV like the Chevy trucks vs. the Ford trucks. It's great to have something that is powerful out of the box, but it's also great to know that your investment isn't going to be a squeeky rust bucket in 6 years. Unless you're obsessive about taking care of your car, that's what you'll have with a Chevy. Fords last despite the abuse they take. A friend of mine owns a 1986 Pace Car convertible Corvette with only 36k miles on it. It's always been garaged and maintained. The interior is falling apart and it has a major battery drain somewhere. It's fun to drive, but I don't think I would own one unless I got a really good deal. Unfortunately Chrysler stuff fits a similar category. The styling on some of their cars is really sharp, but since the interior and metal they use on the cars is of a low quality, they aren't worth buying. Ford uses the highest quality parts of any other, non-European manufacturer. ------------------ 351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible

05-08-2001, 07:52 PM	#43
99SSragtop Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Orleans,Ontario Posts: 18	280hp on the R common???? ------------------ 99 A4 SS black convert.#223 All the free mods,K&N,cut out. 13.2 1/4 mile at 105 mph.

05-09-2001, 04:59 PM	#44
Steve2000SS Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Corona, CA Posts: 31	more crap in one place than a fertilizer factory ~~ and thats from both sides.. Whoever said chevy cant engineer is an idiot.. would you say the Z06 is poorly engineered?? and you act like the LS1 is the same 350 chevy has been making for decades when it was only recently COMPLETELY redesigned.. it is consistently rated as one of the 10 best engines in the world (by hemmings?).. it is underrated by GM (as opposed to Ford over-rating theirs ~ remember the 99&2k Cobras.. and the bullit).. The Z06 smacked the Cobra R all over the place and it has little things like A/C.. a radio.. insulation.. and its 10's of thousands cheaper.. As for Mustangs they in many was superior to fbodies.. they are easier to live with on a daily basis.. easier to get in and out of.. cheaper to insure.. and they have a SLIGHLY better build quality.. ive read several "consumer report" type mags and some rate the mustang better this ways.. others not.. both cars have crappy seats. fbody rears are a weaklink but they do seem to handle up to 420rwhp without breaking.. one can not expect stock parts to handle mod increased HP.. I love Mustangs.. I love Camaros (SS).. I hate the "my car is better than your car" stuff.. thats why guys with older car seem so much more mature.. they look at fords, chevys, dodge, etc and like them all for what they are.. American Muscle Cars.. Ford and GM are both a couple of modern companies ran by accountants.. they lost most of their desire to compete against each other long ago.. Oh.. and the HP per Liter argument is still a rice thing.. who care what your displacement is.. faster is faster.. remember that most fbods are under-rated and do well over 300hp at the rear wheels.. too bad we cant take the best atributes of each car and combine them.. hmmm.. ------------------ 2000 M6 SS Camaro.. mostly stock go mods.. lots of show stuff.. 320rwhp & 333rwtq corrected SAE

05-09-2001, 05:50 PM	#45
Try Me Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 465	I love the f-body. WS6 rocks. N'uff said The problem isn't the engineers. One of my best friends works at Siemens, desingning an air intake for the new Northstar engine. You wouldn't beleive the great stuff they come out with - but as soon as the market-specialists and accountants get a hold of it, you've gone from gaining a solid 20HP from an intake to 2HP It's the general public, even with muscle cars, they insist they be "fuel efficient" and "quiet" As for the new 'Vette, i love it too. But the C-4 blows chunks. You wonder why it's touhg to get an LS1 to race? 'Cause they cost $40 freaking thousand bucks - and only geasers can afford that, and geasers for the most part DON'T RACE! I pulled up to a geaser once in a '00GT. When i asked him to race, the f*cker rolled up his window, shaking his head at me, then looked the other way Wonder why stang owner are stereotyped? Cause for the most part, they're young, driving an affordable muscle car capable of blowing away the next door's geaser's $70K Benz, or buddies rice bucket, then people get mad, fact. That's my fifty cents

05-09-2001, 08:43 PM	#46
TJR Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Bowling Green, OH Posts: 270	About the ZO6...Weren't the LS6 engines recalled for poor oiling? I thought I read that somewhere. ------------------ 1989 lx notch 89,000 miles bolt-ons,stock heads/cam 60'- 2.07, 8.90@78, 13.93@99

05-09-2001, 09:02 PM	#47
rbatson Guest Posts: n/a	I totally agree with the "run what ya brung" concept. I don't care what the ci is. The GN was kicking butt many years ago with a v6, although it was turbocharged, it was stock and came with a warranty. I like the camaro fine but I don't like the way my head is 1" from the roof.. pot hole= headache. I have considered buying a ls1. I had a z71 with the 5.3 and that is a good motor! I will say this though, just wait til next year! I had a talk with a SVO guy at ffw in fla and he couldn't say much but he said "just wait 'til next year". Leads me to believe the 4.6 or 5.4 will be kicking a little butt next year... ------------------ Rick My 89lx(updated 2/21/2001) My 97 Cobra [This message has been edited by rbatson (edited 05-10-2001).]

05-09-2001, 09:13 PM	#48
dinomite The Dude Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 1,262	The Z06 isn't badly engineered, its a great car, and they seem to have tossed some that engineering down into the camaro in the latest model year. But they can't keep that up for long, as they are making VERY little profit on the camaro in this model year (why do you think they are killing it?), the only reason that they are doing this is to try and get some buyer loyalty. end of story. GM in general has been having a LOT of trouble lately (past 15 odd years), thats indisputable. They have tried many things to try and improve their image, but they have soooo many problems its very hard. More than half of the cars they sell are to fleet operations (rental car companies, corporate offices, etc. people that just want it CHEAP), they have lived on those sales and their MASSIVENESS over the past 15 years. THe corvette is the premier of GM, and as of late, the camaro is RIGHT behind it, but the rest of GM cars are absolute crap. They are horribly built and made with bad parts. They are built badly cause they don't treat the employees well, and bad parts cause they badger their suppliers (plastic companies, metal companies, etc). GM is in a lot of trouble and, as i said before, the new fast camaro is just an attempt to get buyers, they don't make much on it. GM actually LOOSES money on EVERY softop cavalier they sell! something around 1k! and they had to drop one of their longstanding divisions. Someone up there ^^^ said that its not a problem with the engineers, but the marketing people who destroy the designs, you may very well be right! but the fact is thats killing the company, and has been doing so very slowly for years. What i'm saying is: The camaro is faster, but its going away, and its quality isn't really a testament to the rest of the company, cause its somewhat a flagship, and a tool for their marketing people.

05-10-2001, 10:47 AM	#49
2FastLX The Photoshop Guru Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Mecca, Indiana Posts: 1,419	Isn't this just like a Chevy guy?? Start a fight then tuck tail and run I have my opinions on those new F-bodied card. I think the "F" stands for "F$#ked". They look like a door stop with that sloping shape they have and I wouldn't even care to own one if it were half the price of a new Mustang (not exaggerating a bit). I raced an LS1 the other day. Hell, I thought it was a Probe sitting next to me because I couldn't see very much of it other than the slope and mirror on the door. When the light turned green I gave him about a car length head start (still thinking it was a Probe) and then gave it hell. It was at that moment I realized it was a Slomaro and was pi$$ed at myself for not taking him off the line. Anyway, by the time I hit 3rd gear I was gaining on him a little, and he was still only a car length ahead of me. We stopped to talk and he said he paid $27,000 for that car. I have $10,000 wrapped up in mine and I know I'd have smoked him if I was prepared. Pay close to $30k for a rattle box, or find a sweet looking Fox body for $4k and dump $6k into it and see who wins. I guarantee you the Mustang will every time. Plus, the chicks around here dig the Stangs more. ------------------ Too much to list. Best ET on the car so far with stock 2.73 gears - 13.73@102mph Indiana Stangers Association Buy your parts here ICQ# 42269241

05-11-2001, 12:12 PM	#50
MonsterTrosity Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Fremont, Ca. Posts: 48	I have to tell you something about ricers. I actually own a stock '90 CRX, as well as a V6 Mustang. I'd have to say that my CRX is much faster, which doesn't say much compared to a v6. After dropping the clutch in second gear, and peeling out the tires several times, the transmission has a bad bearing. So, IMHO, a ricer won't last long on the strip, even though they are fast. But HP isn't as important to me as cornering. I enjoy more auto-x than dragging. Auto-x is alot of fun, and takes a fairly skilled driver to do it well. This is where the CRX, and my Porsche 914 is superior. Don't even come near me in any of your Vettes, Cobras, etc. with those on the auto-x course . TBH, I was fairly impressed that my stock '95 Mustang could hold it's own on a corner. Big difference from early models. Now that I need to replace my shocks and springs, I might be able to get closer to the performance of my 914, but not quite .

05-12-2001, 01:52 AM	#52
2FastLX The Photoshop Guru Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Mecca, Indiana Posts: 1,419	Well sorry for wasting a whole minute of your life, but I'll bet changing plugs in your car has wasted a lot more than that. ------------------ Too much to list. Best ET on the car so far with stock 2.73 gears - 13.73@102mph Indiana Stangers Association Buy your parts here ICQ# 42269241 [This message has been edited by 2FastLX (edited 05-12-2001).]

05-12-2001, 02:53 AM	#53
joe4speed He said Member...heh, heh Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Jupiter, Florida U.S.A. Posts: 3,718	I like anything that flies... I'll have respect for the Mustang, the GM, and the Import that flies.. It's pretty impressive to see those little cars fly when they're real fast. But to me, I'm one of those Race-anything-that-moves Mustang owners! I just love the speed! When I want more speed I run the Ninja! Cliff made some good points too...!! Wanna race...? ------------------ Joe! 1988 GT, 167,000 miles!!! 13.71@105mph Check out my listing! Click here! Or my website: www.joe4speed.com 1999 Ninja ZX-6R 10.32@135mph! 1993 Olds Eighty Eight LSS

05-12-2001, 02:17 PM	#54
Steve2000SS Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Corona, CA Posts: 31	Just when you start thinking Most mustang owners are cool.. along comes 2FASTLX with the usual load of horse $hit.. I always love the new $30k car vs buying the 15year old car and putting the $$ into it.. anyone can buy ANY car for $4k and put $20k into mods and kill all our collective a$$es.. whats your point?? Ive seen Pro Street Pintos that could kick your butt, does that mean the pinto is a better car? get a clue.. And I love how when some says "i know an fbody guy that has nothing but trouble with his car" that is usually some poor guy with an 80's model.. who the hell made good cars in the 80's?? ------------------ 2000 M6 SS Camaro.. mostly stock go mods.. lots of show stuff.. 320rwhp & 333rwtq corrected SAE

05-12-2001, 03:11 PM	#56
2FastLX The Photoshop Guru Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Mecca, Indiana Posts: 1,419	I am an EX Slomaro owner so I'm not basing my opinion on what I THINK. I know what kinda quality GM puts into their cars. I bought a brand new Slomaro in 89 and it was in the shop more than it was on the road. Out of the 3 months I owned it it was in the shop for almost 2 of them. Now, I'm not basing that opinion on just one car. I've owned several GM products, and several Ford products. In my past experiences the GM cars didn't impress me much, except for the 67 Chevelle SS I once owned which was a nice car. I have a suggestion, go back to your own boards and quit coming here talking smack unless you can handle similar responses without crying and whining about it. Boo hoo. ------------------ Too much to list. Best ET on the car so far with stock 2.73 gears - 13.73@102mph Indiana Stangers Association Buy your parts here ICQ# 42269241 [This message has been edited by 2FastLX (edited 05-12-2001).]

05-12-2001, 06:47 PM	#58
Token Right Guy Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 40	originally posted by UNIT 5302: ..."What do you have done to the CRX? I'm sorry, but those cars are not straight line beastie's by any means in stock form. I used to whoop them silly in my Mustang II. Granted the II was way lighter than your car, but it had less power. The CRX is a nice 17sec car without mods."... Huh? Mustang II lighter than a CRX? My CRX Si, with A/C weighs under 2100 lbs. It's not a stoplight terror, you're right about that. It isn't supposed to be. Stock CRX 1/4 mile times are in the low to mid 16 range. If you don't think a CRX Si can't show its taillights to a 914 on an autocross course, well that's your opinion & you're entitled to it. I've driven both, & I know the truth. You also said "ricers are not fast". No kidding. That does not mean that all imports are slow, though. Also you said "you need a V8, baaad". Maybe he has a V8 as well. You're allowed to own more than one car. We now return you to your 'Ford vs. Chevy' debate. Thanks for listening.

05-12-2001, 09:34 PM	#60
Steve2000SS Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Corona, CA Posts: 31	Actually you were the one talking smack.. and the previous guy is right.. an LS1 in no more a "slomaro" than a 4.6 mustang is a "rustang".. name calling is for little kids.. You have a "too many mods to list" and you manage a 13.7 1/4 mile?.. So if my low 13 sec Camaro is slow then what are you? and I hardly have any mods.. as for Ford build quality I had a 88 GT and a 95GT.. both had there share of problems but I didnt mind because they are fun cars.. I know some guys with fbods that have small warranty probs but there are quite a few (like myself) that have had no probs (cept with mods).. If build quality is you mantra then go by a honda.. Jimberg ~ Im sure your car is great.. but you would have to agree that the 80's (not as bad as the 70's) were not the higth of american car quality. ------------------ 2000 M6 SS Camaro.. mostly stock go mods.. lots of show stuff.. 320rwhp & 333rwtq corrected SAE